Tuesday, March 15, 2016

Universities are unsafe spaces for men

There is no way that I would recommend any young man attend an American university at this point. Especially not a "good school":
When the Yale Bulldogs take the court in the NCAA Basketball Tournament this week, they’ll be without one of the key players who got them to the big dance. Former team captain Jack Montague was expelled in February after allegations that he sexually assaulted a woman last fall. Now, the senior who was three months shy of earning his degree says he’s suing the school, the New York Post reports.

The allegations stem from incidents involving a relationship Montague had with a woman in October 2014. Montague’s attorney, Max Stern, issued a statement, saying that the dispute between Montague and the woman is over one of four sexual encounters they had. He claims it was consensual, while she says otherwise.

A complaint was filed on the woman’s behalf on Nov. 18, 2015. A panel of the Yale University-Wide Committee ruled in her favor, and then the university provost upheld the ruling. The school expelled Montague on February 10.... Police say there are no criminal charges filed against Montague, and there is currently no investigation, according to the NY Post.
These are the Crazy Years, and in many ways, they're crazier than anything Robert Heinlein ever anticipated.

30 comments:

Cataline Sergius said...

@Vox

Question: Is it any better at any of the European universities?

Those degrees still carry more cache than a State Moo U.


Caveat to that question; would a Millennial male be better off going to a Central European university as opposed to a western one?

Crowhill said...

I agree that the problem is worse in the "good" schools. My son is a sophomore at a state university, and the rot isn't quite as bad there, although I still warn him to be on his guard. The world has gone crazy.

YJLAW said...

So we wait til Vegas sets the line on a game, pay someone to cry rape, watch top student athlete get dismissed...sounds like a good movie plot to me, or a safe betting strategy.

WebTrafficBuilder said...

And Harvard let's blacks openly debate the genocide of whites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc

praetorian said...

The facts in evidence are incredible:

The University hired an independent investigator to investigate this matter and, as reported by her, the facts not in dispute and as stated in the female student’s account are these:

– The two students developed a relationship that led to them sleeping together in Jack’s room on four occasions in the fall of 2014.

– On the first occasion, the woman joined Jack in bed and stayed the night.

– On the second occasion, she entered his bed voluntarily, removed all of her clothes and, during the night, woke him to perform oral sex.

– On the third occasion, she joined him in bed, voluntarily took off all her clothing, and they had sexual intercourse by consent.

– On the fourth occasion, she joined him in bed, voluntarily removed all of her clothes, and they had sexual intercourse. Then they got up, left the room and went separate ways. Later that same night, she reached out to him to meet up, then returned to his room voluntarily, and spent the rest of the night in his bed with him.

The sole dispute is as to the sexual intercourse in the fourth episode. She stated that she did not consent to it. He said that she did.

A year later she reported the incident to a Title IX coordinator. A Title IX official – not her – filed a formal complaint with the University-Wide Committee.

michael savell said...

In England the chief constable of the metropolitan has admitted that his and others modus operandi is "guilty till proved innocent"
A complaint is received,the accused arrested and his name given to the media.
The accused is then in a state of limbo while the police take their time fashioning out a case which goes ,in the end to the CPS which decides if there is a case to answer.All this could take years and if the family also gets upset one can be left without any visible support so no counsel will act for you.

Far from weakening(according to some wise guys on here)I believe Feminism has taken us to a place from which there is no return.


RmaxGenactivePUA Mgtow said...

Lmao she claimed rape a year later, after sleeping with the man over 4 times ...

Not only should he sue the university, he should sue the retarded christian conservatives in cahoots with the insane marxist elites, responsible for pushing Title IX onto the universities

Also sue every woman who voted for a black president in a majority white country

Imbeciles the whole lotta of them ...

manuel hernandez said...

As much as I'm wary of them, suddenly for profit schools are starting to have more appeal. A high school buddy of mine took an HVAC cert course at one, and now he has his own business. He went to school to study just a that: HVAC. No English classes, no African American studies, no sexual assault seminars. Besides, the whole "nonprofit" thing sounds so cynical nowadays.

manuel hernandez said...

As much as I'm wary of them, suddenly for profit schools are starting to have more appeal. A high school buddy of mine took an HVAC cert course at one, and now he has his own business. He went to school to study just a that: HVAC. No English classes, no African American studies, no sexual assault seminars. Besides, the whole "nonprofit" thing sounds so cynical nowadays.

Skinny Dips said...

Why not just avoid fornicatin'? i'm no fan of the colleges, cept for the football, and think they should be plowed under; yet avoiding gettin sexy would help significantly with risk...

LonestarWhacko said...

The trades are a great way to make a living. You want to do something that people have to have. Water, gas, electricity, toilets.....even a/c. Best way to go.....serve out your training, go to a trade school if you must.....take Plumbing foe example....lots of jobs there. But here's the point.....you actually have to work hard.

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Verne said...

If you want to get in the trade. The word on the best training and highest income. Union apprenticeships. Nothing like making $18 to $50 an hour while getting an education. Well trained plumbers, welders, HVAC, Pipe fitters, etc all in heavy demand. Avoid any trade that is commonly taken by those who speak Spanish. You are looking for the trades that require much better than normal math skills. And you will be tested on them. The best trades are hard to get into, but normally you can get in by way of a lower level job in the same union. Work hard and get referrals for the apprentice committee. It might take a year to even get in the door. But you will always be making money while doing it

VD said...

Why not just avoid fornicatin'?

Why do you think that will save you from a false accusation?

professorastro said...

Who is this Haven Montague who is raping his way through the Ivies and Public Ivies?

would-be-tellin said...

One of the earlier cases in this string of atrocities was at Dartmouth, where the student's crime was paying more attention to girl A than girl B, who he didn't touch, but who's complaint was quite enough for the school.

Recently we've heard about this case at Georgia Tech:

The young man let his female friend stay in his apartment while she waited for her roommate to return to their dorm because she had lost her keys. Instead of sending the drunk young woman to wait alone in the cold and dark early morning hours, the young man kept her safe at his apartment. Sometime later, a friend of the young woman accused the young man of holding the alleged victim against her will.

Text messages from the young woman
thanking the young man for allowing her to stay at his place while she waited were disallowed in the young man's hearing. The young woman didn't even believe she was a victim, yet because of the accusation of the third party, the young man was suspended.

Oliver Märk said...

They don’t dare to investigate in the way a crime would be investigated. For the university such tings obviously don’t count. Opinion (of the right people) rules over facts.


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ray said...

Lots of agricultural positions available for current professors, administrators, and members of agitation groups. No retirement accounts . . . just all you can pick and eat. Put 'em in bunkhouses at night.

The wood from some buildings can be re-cycled, as can the bricks etc. De-commissioning these modern temples of lies and hatred, again, should be assigned to faculty and administration. No need to waste gas; by hand is preferred.

Or, you can just ramp-up the denial to even-higher levels, and build Safety Walls around all your institutions of indoctrination and emasculation, and go on pretending It's All Good and your princesses shall never see sorrow.

John Williams said...

Verne, Everything you said and if you look around, there's few plumbers under 40 out there. There will be a market for young guys starting out.

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Scott C said...

"Why do you think that will save you from a false accusation?"

Not the accusation, but a possible conviction. If there is evidence that you had intercourse with the woman, that gives extra weight to her claim. But she'd have to go to the authorities right away, which most faux rape victims never seem to do. If the alleged victim waits weeks before contacting the police, that raises questions about her credibility.

If you never had intercourse with her, you could file a countersuit for defamation of character.

Mastermind said...

"Why do you think that will save you from a false accusation?"

Because in most of them the accuser and accused had sex and they usually stem from female vindictiveness after some sort of perceived injustice (IE: being used for sex). Obviously there are no guarantees but it'll certainly keep the average guy out of trouble most of the time.

Eric said...

I agree the odds of a false accusation drop dramatically for guys who avoid women entirely, but not to zero. Some women are just crazy, and the system is set up to cater to crazy women.

I'm so glad I graduated long ago. I don't think I could make it through today - the temptation to ridicule the professor in my mandatory ethnic and gender studies class would be too great.

Unknown said...

"...Some women are just crazy, and the system is set up to cater to crazy women...."

SOME WOMEN? Hey, bubbie, you're showing your inexperience with the ladies!

They are all crazy to some degree, some just hide it better than others.

A monthly assault of steroids on their brains, for 30+ years can leave them no other way. And they cannot avoid it, even with birth control drugs---that's merely substituting one 'roid for another. There is a reason , women suffer from depression far more than men.

So, stop your "my woman ain't like that" attitude, because yes, she is as crazy as the rest!

Eric said...

The number of women who will falsely accuse you of rape even though you've had nothing to do with them is diminishingly small. Stop repeating things you don't understand.

Aeoli Pera said...

The number of women who will falsely accuse you of rape even though you've had nothing to do with them is diminishingly small.

There's a big range of interaction between sex and "having nothing to do with them". Figure the odds depend on emotional proximity and craziness-of-chick.

LonestarWhacko said...

John, when I go to a supply house for materials, it's mostly older Plumbers. Few young white guys. Some Hispanics. Service or repair plumbing is the way to go.

Jim said...

How many lesbians on the Tribunal?

Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 said...

So he spent all that money for an ivy league school. Came to within 3 months of graduation and THEN lost everything... nope no harm done there ladies. Suppose they'll forgive all his student loans and make up the time he's lost pursuing that now completely worthless education? Vox is right this is becoming worse than insane.

Alex said...

Lonestar - what about men who want to become programmers or engineers? No company will hire you with at least a Bachelor of Science.

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