Friday, June 26, 2015

Delta Perspective: Responsibility Part 2

This is a continuation of being a responsible Delta.

Responsibility by Age

Twenties: Until your late 20s you are going to have limited responsibilities in your life unless you marry young and have children, or you are of extraordinary capabilities. If you have a family then simply focus on your kids at this age. There’s good reason for this in that your brain is literally not fully developed until 25 which is why your auto insurance goes down at that age. The judgment of an average 22 year old is simply not as sound as the judgment of the average 32 year old, but don’t let that stop you from joining organizations and helping out where you can if you don’t have children. You’ll earn respect of older men if you behave yourself and learn how to be responsible after you join.



Thirties: If you are thirty have no responsibilities in life you need to take a good look at what you are doing with yourself. You should seriously be thinking about marriage and children, and at the very least be involved in some capacity with organized social groups like a church, business groups, or volunteering somewhere. If you are involved already take a look at helping out in a defined role while balancing family and career. You might be in position to offer monetary assistance besides just giving money like financial advice. By your late thirties you might find yourself in a leadership role somewhere so be ready for it.



Forties: Be involved and be ready to offer experience, support in defined roles, and monetary assistance. People will want to rely on your for important things in an organization if they can. Will you be ready and can you do it? You’ll have the experience and knowledge to get things done and can be a big factor in helping an organization. If you show the talent and interest you’ll likely be asked to take on important roles.



Fifties and Sixties: You’ll help run the organizations you are involved in if you have any capacity to at all, and be in the process of mentoring the younger members. Even if you are just a member your experience and wisdom can be invaluable for the younger men, particularly those who are in their 20s and a little lost in life. If you’ve been irresponsible your entire life and arrive at 50 with no real responsibilities outside of your work, then change that fact. Get involved. Get out of the house and do something good. You’ll be 60 soon regardless, so get on it.



Retirement years: Many voluntary organizations are run by retirees as they have the time to do it, and many have been involved for decades. Enjoy! Once again help out as you can as you never know how much time you have left and you’re never be washed up as long as you continue to help those around you however small the amount.



Doing Good

Deltas are virtuous by showing up and doing their jobs as they aren’t natural leaders, they generally aren’t very flashy and usually don’t have very many dynamic and groundbreaking ideas. Instead they do their jobs with dedication and care while being responsible for what they’ve been given. If you are given responsibility and do well with it, you can expect to be given more. If you don’t have a lot of responsibilities in your life you need some so go find some. There’s always good to do in the world with the most ordinary and mundane things, which can be as simple as making sure the uniforms for your softball team is ordered on time. Be a Delta, get involved and do good.

49 comments:

Dystopic said...

There was a short story on Roosh's site someplace. I forget the name of it now. But in it, a man was offered a chance to go back in time 50-60 years or so. He was used to being doted upon, complimented for his ideas and contributions, etc... Naturally, in the old days, things just didn't work like that. You hit the bricks and did your job. But he found consistent employment, real friends and more mannerly women.

The man wound up asking to go back to his own time, missing being "valued for his ideas." This turned out to be a big mistake, because he was soon fired from his developer job and replaced by a guy from India. I don't know if Roosh intended it, but it seemed like a good comparison of Delta life and Gamma life.

The lesson there, as it is for Gammas aspiring to Delta, is to get used to the fact that you are not special. You're peon #90759. You're a shrub, a houseplant, and when you die, you will not go down into the annals of history. But you will live a better life nonetheless. You will have work to be proud of. There will be people who genuinely care about you. There will be places where you can contribute through hard work and dedication. It's much more mundane than you may be used to, but also much more fulfilling.

Weouro said...

It's plain there is zero excitement in life for a delta. You can hear it in the bland tone of these pieces in the delta series.

Weouro said...

"There’s always good to do in the world with the most ordinary and mundane things, which can be as simple as making sure the uniforms for your softball team is ordered on time."

Bastiat's Ghost said...

I'm still not seeing the benefits or a reason to discontinue the path of starving the beast.

Tim said...

"You should seriously be thinking about marriage and children"

Pfffft.

Bastiat's Ghost said...

Tim said...

"You should seriously be thinking about marriage and children"

Pfffft.

More like going to jail and dropping the soap.

Jack Amok said...

It's plain there is zero excitement in life for a delta.

Then it's the perfect aspiration for a gamma because gammas don't handle real excitement very well at all.

SirHamster (#201) said...

I'm still not seeing the benefits or a reason to discontinue the path of starving the beast.

What do you think happens after the beast is dead? Are you going to wait for someone else to build up a new society, or are you going to build it yourself?

Delta Man said...

Most good things in life aren't exciting.

Bastiat's Ghost said...

@SirHamster

I'm looking to leave the US for greener pastures. Probably someplace where the weather is nice and the women act like women. You can stick a fork in the developed part of western civilization

Double E said...

It's plain there is zero excitement in life for a delta. You can hear it in the bland tone of these pieces in the delta series.

These pieces do seem like encouraging men to settle for mediocrity, which is distasteful to me, to say the least. However I believe they are written for men who are currently below the rank of delta, which makes all the difference.

For a gamma or omega a normal 'boring' delta life would be quite an improvement.
Personally I am much more interested in learning about the differences between delta/beta/alpha and about how men who are already above average an strive for greatness.

Double E said...

*can strive for greatness

Robert What? said...

Once upon a time, society used to show some respect to responsible, hardworking Deltas. No more. Now Deltas are considered clueless, sexless buffoons. So the motivation must come 100% from within: don't expect society (or women) to show the slightest bit of respect or gratitude for your sacrifices.

Delta Man said...

Double E,

Learning about Alphas and Betas is good, but unless a man acts it's simply mental masturbation. You have to live it for it to matter.

Natalie said...

There's hella little excitement in popping out babies and cooking supper for your husband, but that's what I hear you guys praising to high heaven for women. This is the man's version. If you don't want to do it then don't, but stop bashing hard working, decent men. Yeah, I know. These guys aren't getting laid and aren't getting respect. Tell that to my husband and my father in law and my brothers in law and the deacons and elders at my church. You know how many men really make history? Not many. You know how many stories my son will hear about the great-grandfathers he never met? A damn lot of them. Piss on this life all you want. If the history books don't remember them at least their sons and grandsons and, if I have any say in it, great-grandsons will. It's a good enough life for my husband, and it's good enough for me.

Double E said...

Learning about Alphas and Betas is good, but unless a man acts it's simply mental masturbation. You have to live it for it to matter.

The same could be said for learning about deltas, and the stuff you are writing. Most people will not act on it in either case, so what is your point?

Bastiat's Ghost said...

Delta Man, I get that you're describing what we should do. What I'm waiting for is why I'm supposed to give a shit. I know several women worthy of the title of wife and mom for good reason. They're all married and have kids. What I'm looking for is someone to give me a way to drastically reduce the search costs for a woman worth marrying. I've encountered two in 20 years that weren't already married.It's like trying to get to buy a car when Yugos are the only models for sale.

Delta Man said...

Double E, I'm assuming the readers who care enough to comment care enough to at least want to try to change and that takes action. If we all acted on our knowledge nobody would be fat so I do understand it's difficult. The point is to act and if you fail learn from it and not giving up.

BG, I'm going to write a dating post in the future but there's no doubt it is difficult, few short cuts, and no guarantee of success. It's not hopeless though, and I don't like seeing men give up hope.

Dystopic said...

Deltas are necessary to civilization. Perhaps even more so than many Alphas and Betas, because a society that is too heavily skewed towards Alphas rapidly falls apart into something like what we see in Sub-Saharan Africa. A society loaded with Gammas skews toward the current madness of Western civilization.

I won't even pretend that I know the ideal balance, but I can tell you that if you want civilization to survive, then we need to get about converting as many Gammas to Deltas as possible. And the Gammas who won't convert... we need to ostracize them and remove them from the levers of power.

Look, I know all of you who are higher ranked than I am look down on Deltas, too. That's the way of the world. I understand. But you're standing on their shoulders, too, and there's something to that. From where I'm standing, Deltas are good, honest, decent men. They have a place, and best of all, they KNOW their place. That's better than any Gamma. Somebody has to fix your car, or install that bit of plumbing in your house. In a world in which women weren't so fucking entitled and full of themselves, the Deltas would be marrying HB 5s - HB 7s, women you of higher rank neither desire, nor would settle for. They would find good, honest husbands.

It's not perfect. But a world of Alphas looks like Africa, and a world of Gammas looks like San Francisco. Something in between is good enough for most.

Double E said...

Double E, I'm assuming the readers who care enough to comment care enough to at least want to try to change and that takes action. If we all acted on our knowledge nobody would be fat so I do understand it's difficult. The point is to act and if you fail learn from it and not giving up.

Ok. So what does this have to do with your first response to my statement that I want to learn more about deltas becoming beta or alpha?


VD said...

It's plain there is zero excitement in life for a delta. You can hear it in the bland tone of these pieces in the delta series.

As opposed to what, the imaginary exploits of a Gamma that take place only in his own head? There is plenty of excitement in life for a Sigma, (often more than we would like) but that's not an option because you're not one.

I am much more interested in learning about the differences between delta/beta/alpha and about how men who are already above average an strive for greatness.

First of all, who gives a fuck what you're interested in? Second, there is no shortage of posts dealing with here over the last few years.

Given the way you have whined, are you really sure these posts aren't relevant for you? You're not a teenage girl. Life is not about going from one sparkly pony ride to the next one.

Corvinus said...

First of all, who gives a fuck what you're interested in? Second, there is no shortage of posts dealing with here over the last few years.

@Weouro
Not to mention the fact that posts about and about becoming Beta, Alpha, or Sigma would only be of any use to Deltas. And not just any Deltas, but the subset that has ALPHA potential.

That's the whole point of Delta Man's posts. You can't go from Gamma to ALPHA. You have to be broken down and learn some furkin humility first.

And once you learn humility, only then can you actually have real self-confidence, if you are in fact exceptional somehow. Humility is, after all, simply your recognition of the truth of what you are.

This is perhaps the main difference between Gamma and Delta; Deltas are humble, and Gammas are not. Satan was the first Gamma, who deluded himself into thinking that he was as great and powerful as God Himself, and still in fact thinks that way. (Sure, he is Alpha compared to all other angels, but his main, relevant, contest in his mind is with God. If he had satisfied himself with being a Beta vis-à-vis God, as all creatures must, history would have been far happier.)

ALPHAs may or may not have humility, but contrary to what most Gammas assume, many of them in fact do, especially those who treat Deltas and other lower-ranked men justly.

Double E said...

First of all, who gives a fuck what you're interested in? Second, there is no shortage of posts dealing with here over the last few years.

Given the way you have whined, are you really sure these posts aren't relevant for you? You're not a teenage girl. Life is not about going from one sparkly pony ride to the next one.


You are misinterpreting my post. I was talking to one person (Weouro), not just bitching about the post. Whether he or anyone else actually gives a fuck about what I am interested in is irrelevant to me. I was simply pointing out that it is fairly boring to me too, but it wasn't written for everybody.

SirHamster (#201) said...

@Bastiat's Ghost
I'm looking to leave the US for greener pastures. Probably someplace where the weather is nice and the women act like women. You can stick a fork in the developed part of western civilization

In which case you need to develop into a Delta+ over there, starting at Delta.

The alternative is to be a parasite, and becoming the beast to the society you latched on to.

Bastiat's Ghost said...

At least we know Vox is paying attention here.

Cail Corishev said...

One of the main things we criticize women for in these parts is thinking life has to be exciting and blowing it up when they get bored. Men shouldn't act that way. Heck, as a Sigma, I'm sure Vox has done some exciting things in his life, but a typical day for him now appears to involve reading, writing, maybe some coding, talking to business associates, spending time with his family, maybe chasing a ball around a field with friends. Sounds downright suburban.

Most men aren't spies or bullfighters, and Deltas wouldn't prefer that to a pleasant family life anyway. That's kinda the point.

themillenialadvantage said...

Perhaps I'm in the wrong subset this post is aiming for. But something just rubs me wrong in this.

I think the most succinct way to articulate is asking "Are you sure this path would really produce the outcome of the previous post?"

I'm pretty sure most would agree the life described in the earlier is likable, even enviable. A loving wife, nice home, good kids, respect from peers, and having some means behind is a pretty nice outcome. The problem is the number of posts all around the manosphere where doing these steps doesn't seem to produce that outcome.

It is one thing to follow the path and live an "average" life. Even those who reach something (at least by how we're treating this) will still fall under average and thus "Delta". Even those who climb to executive, or notable professor, and something akin to that will still be having a bbq by the pool in a nice home and a loving wife with nice kids.

It is another that - let's go by many posts around the manosphere - of people can only find a woman at the end of the carousel. Everything he wants her to feel for him is non-existent. With such feelings existed, but to men she met 10 years earlier. Work life is not so much of a comradery but a cog.

A whole lot of the last paragraph tend to be described that the man did the path being described here at Delta. What's off here? The differences of Delta here versus others? Something else?

de ti said...

I don't get the contrarianism about the Delta posts.

Delta is as high as most guys are ever going to get. That's because they don't have the temperament or zen to be Sigmas; the balls to be Alpha, or the savvy to be Beta. They can, however, have the resolve and dedication and steadiness to be Delta.

And for a lot of men, that is (or should be) good enough.

VD said...

I don't get the contrarianism about the Delta posts.

Gammas don't want to change. And if they're going to change, they want to be High Alphas, because that's the only thing that they think is better than their delusion bubbles.

SarahsDaughter said...

Once upon a time, society used to show some respect to responsible, hardworking Deltas. No more. Now Deltas are considered clueless, sexless buffoons. So the motivation must come 100% from within: don't expect society (or women) to show the slightest bit of respect or gratitude for your sacrifices.

Here in Small Town Midwestern USA there is still a lot of respect for these men. There are so many things to get involved with in a small town and it has to draw from a small pool of available people. It's always Delta men doing what it takes to provide the comforts and joys of a small community available to everyone. From volunteer coaching or assisting with the club sports to helping with the farmer's markets or the annual parades and celebrations, the show always goes on because the Delta men of the community ensure it. Most seem to be particularly joyful being that go to guy.

Stephen Ward said...

I think the contrarianism is that game is supposed to improve sexual success, but the delta posts are describing exactly the suburbian hellhole that... led to the development of game in the first place. Now objectively, 5% success as a gamma is worse than 50% divorce as a delta... but 50% divorce is still sucky.

Look folks, all is vanity under the sun, That should be a clue... that there's more to life than what's under the sun.

You want to skip delta an get to alpha? Start a business. Keep starting them until one succeeds. Then build it into a national brand. You'll improve enough along the way that you'll pass through delta without noticing it.

Weouro said...

"I was simply pointing out that it is fairly boring to me too, but it wasn't written for everybody."

It's boring to everybody, which is evident in the comments. But, as Cail points out, any average life with normal obligations, even for a Sigma, is quotidian. The difference is these posts are, perhaps deliberately, toned bland for some reason.

"As opposed to what, the imaginary exploits of a Gamma that take place only in his own head?"

No, as opposed to any remotely objective measure of "excitement."

"There is plenty of excitement in life for a Sigma, (often more than we would like) but that's not an option because you're not one."

I know--I'm an alpha. I superceded my delta father and older brother as the head of the family when my grandfather died.

maniacprovost said...

It's plain there is zero excitement in life for a delta.

Then it's the perfect aspiration for a gamma because gammas don't handle real excitement very well at all


There is truth to this if you consider the scale of self actuation. Alphas and Sigmas are proactive, and thus are more likely to have excitement. It could be great deeds or horrific near-disasters. Gammas require external validation, and so they generate drama. Deltas hit the sweet spot in the middle.

On the other hand, the Band of Brothers guys had plenty of excitement, despite being mostly Deltas. Same with mobsters, petty criminals, day traders, circus acrobats, etc. The question is, do you really want nonstop excitement? Or would you rather have the occasional business trip to Phoenix to liven things up?

Conscientia Republicae said...

Morons. You're reading and complaining about a post for Gamma aspiring to be deltas as boring? You're like an NFL player reading the Pop Warner playbook. No shit it's boring. It's Barney Style stuff. Why don't you instead thank God you aren't an incurable Gamma?

Delta Man said...

themillenialadvantage,

Most other Game sites I've read tend to be binary: Alphas and everyone else many times called Betas who are assumed losers. There's more gradation than that in the SMV and Deltas are somewhere in the middle.

Rek. said...

Heck, as a Sigma, I'm sure Vox has done some exciting things in his life, but a typical day for him now appears to involve reading, writing, maybe some coding, talking to business associates, spending time with his family, maybe chasing a ball around a field with friends. Sounds downright suburban.

I wonder what the life of a high SMV male is like to some contributors. Simply put you are either going to bang around or build a family. There is nothing else really. Neomasculinity, Roosh's inner journey, is really about that. Going from the aesthetic to the ethical, and finally the religious, as Kirkegaard puts it.

The major difference between alpha/beta and delta is that the former actively builds/chooses his family/business life, whereas deltas get gently nudged(D+), strongly encouraged(D) or pressured into it (D-). Gammas receive ultimatums.






VD said...

I'm an alpha. I superceded my delta father and older brother as the head of the family when my grandfather died.

Then what are you whining about If you're an Alpha, these posts aren't for you, so stay out of it. If you're an Alpha, then you have no clue what challenges those Gamma men are facing. They will never be Alphas. They will NEVER be Sigmas. But they might be able to advance to Delta one day and improve their lives.

The one thing that makes your claim to being Alpha credible is that you morons always think everything must concern you somehow. This doesn't. So shut up.

And now everyone understands why Sigmas find Alphas so irritating. "Someone is doing something somewhere? I must get involved and tell them what to do whether I understand what is going on or not!"

Rek. said...

The one thing that makes your claim to being Alpha credible is that you morons always think everything must concern you somehow.

An Alpha friend's big brother, Alpha to the bone, never shows up at any of his events (birthday parties, bachelor party or any other gathering) not because he doesn't care about him, but because it is not going to be about him. The lack of attention is simply unimaginable. The younger brother is just like him.

I must get involved

The only people (acquaintances) who ever get involved when I am trying to pick up a girl are either alphas to show how great the are. And they are very good with girls. Stealing all the attention. Or gammas, who absolutely want to make a point of showing how great they supposedly are, when they come to learn that I am into improving myself and learning game. Screwing it all up for everyone in the end.

Bastiat's Ghost said...

@SirHamster (#201)

I'm gradually figuring out here that I must be above delta. I ran day game for a bit. I personally Like Kauser and now Tom Terero. I got to where I can say that optimally I can handle 3-5 women on rotation. Guess what, I didn't like it. It was like owning a Ferrari. Sure everyone was impressed but once the novelty wore off all I had on my hands was a high maintenance PITA that required more effort then I felt it was worth. I not going to play that game any longer. What I do know is in 20 years there are two possibly three women I've known that I'd consider marriage material. I went MGTOW before I knew what it was. Once you go through enough lousy first dates with shitty women you get to the point to where you'd rather do other things. I don't blame guys that would rather stay home and play Xbox for doing so.

I pay my bills, taxes, etc. and otherwise support myself. Avoiding an otherwise inferior contract by definition makes me wise. It doesn't make me a parasite. Expecting society to bare the costs of my existence would make me a parasite and that describes quite a few women.

SirHamster (#201) said...

I pay my bills, taxes, etc. and otherwise support myself. Avoiding an otherwise inferior contract by definition makes me wise. It doesn't make me a parasite. Expecting society to bare the costs of my existence would make me a parasite and that describes quite a few women.

Supporting yourself != Delta.

Supporting the groups you're a part of = Delta. No, you don't have to consider the rotten society we live in to be part of YOUR group ... but you can't live the lifestyle you're enjoying right now, especially the Internet access, by only your own efforts.

If you're not a part of any groups, and you want to keep it that way, what are you complaining about? This post was about the Delta lifecycle with respect to the groups they're a part of, and does not talk about marriage. To be a part of a group as a Delta man, you learn to pull your weight.

Gilbert Ratchet said...

"You might be in position to offer monetary assistance besides just giving money like financial advice."

What does this even mean?

Cail Corishev said...

I wonder what the life of a high SMV male is like to some contributors.

Yeah, I wonder too. It must be pretty awesome.

But take a guy like Tom Brady. Clearly a high Alpha if there ever was one, who has the adulation of millions. And he certainly has some excitement in his life; it doesn't get much more exciting than winning Super Bowls. He's married to a supermodel, and he would never run out of other women if he wants them.

And most days of the year, what does he do? He goes to work and takes care of his family. He practices, watches film, and does what some other guy tells him to do. He goes to press conferences and takes questions from idiot sports reporterettes who ask things like, "So, tell us how you feel about..." Last week he had to sit through a 10-hour meeting with a bunch of lawyers because he (apparently) broke a company rule.

That's what men do; they work and take care of their responsibilities. Granted, Brady's work returns much more than most men's in terms of excitement and fortune, but he still has to punch a clock for the man. And for every Brady, there are thousands of men who were the BMOC Alpha in high school, then maybe a bit of a stud in college, and then what? They go to work, usually at jobs that aren't all that exciting, and take on responsibilities.

Many manosphere commenters appear to equate alphahood with the freedom to not only bang whomever you want, but to do whatever you want; so as soon as you start talking about responsibilities, they freak out. But that's not the case. Alphas may have more freedom to choose what responsibilities they want to take on, but they still have them, just as Deltas do.

If you're independently wealthy and have no duties to family, friends, church, or community, so the only thing you have to decide when you wake up is whether to go golfing or flying, then good for you, I guess. But that's not reality for 99.99% of men, and probably not for 100% of men who are likely to be reading a blog like this.

Brad Andrews said...

What a boring life to not have involvement and impact with others. Even the "ultimate sigma" (per Vox himself) enjoys his time with his soccer club. If those here really are alphas who are whining, who wants to be around them? Crow about your exploits and get out of the way. You are not helping anyone but yourself and that is not an ultimately fulfilling life.

Matt said...

Yes, we need more Deltas and more women to stop slutting it up. Most men are Deltas. And moat women are pump n dump 6's, on a good day. Media has convinced them theyre all 10's. And calling them out is considered shaming. I love shame. Shame is powerful and effective, especially on those with some reasonable amount of intelligence. Gammas must be shamed into realizing theyre off the mark. 5's must be shamed into realizing the captain of the football team took her down because she was the only female in a 2 mile radius higher than a 4. Just a piece of strange.

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Bodichi (0031) said...

For all those deriding the life of a Delta, none of you must have ever served in any form of leadership, either in the civilian world or in any branch of the armed service. If you had you would realize that those Deltas are what make life work.

In the military quite a few freshly minted 2nd LT’s have a bad habit of thinking that the 20 -40 Delta’s they now have a responsibility for are only there to make them look good. This is Gamma thinking at its worst. Those men who some deride as “boring” are the bedrock upon which wars are won. Who is going to carry out your brilliant plan? Who is going to fill those sandbags? Who is going to hump the 240B and the 800 rounds for it? Who is going to hold the blast shield on urban breaches? Is it you secret agent alpha LT? No, it isn’t.

A good leader respects the hard work of his men and repays their trust through well thought out training and leadership opportunities for those who are up to it. A bad leader ignores his men, takes them for granted, or even worse despises and makes fun of them. Until you have seen the poisoned apple that a gamma represents in a platoon (or work group civilian side) you might not ever appreciate a delta.

johnthefaster said...

Something missing from the average manospherian's understanding of alpha is that alphas really care about the betas and deltas under their leaderhsip, and take care of their own. I think lack of understanding of this comes from not having been around quality alpha or higher-beta leadership.

One thing's for sure: nobody takes care of gammas. Mostly because any resource you give them, they'll turn around and try to use to stab you in the back. Any quality organisation with alpha-beta-delta components to it quickly figures out how the gammas are and exiles them.

SciVo said...

Well, I for one appreciate this series. I always envied deltas, and have slowly worked my way up to a low one over the last decade. I actually have a real career now, complete with positive connections, running the gamut from mentors to people that I've trained. When I go to a bar regularly, I make friends; I might still be quiet and reserved, but I'm also friendly, and I've become low-drama. I might have the potential for beta, but I'd be happy with just getting more solidly delta, so thank you for this.

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