Wednesday, February 18, 2015

Alpha-chasing or slim pickings?

I think there is an explanation considerably more simple for the increasingly common occurrence of female prison guards getting involved with prisoners than a attraction to thugs:
I saw numerous female guards lose their jobs and get walked out of the prison during my incarceration. A lot of this sort of thing is swept under the carpet by prison officials, leaving fellow guards to speculate about what exactly inspired the dalliance.

According to Tamara, the appeal is "a combination of getting away with something that is forbidden, the rush of being with someone as hardcore as an inmate, and the false sense of control that they think they have over the situation [but] not necessarily over the inmate. They may have lost all sense of control over every other aspect of their lives, and this form of relationship is something they think they have control over by not getting caught by their superiors or other inmates."
Now, "the rush of being with someone as hardcore as an inmate" clearly relates to alpha-chasing. But if you have ever seen a picture of most of these women, most of them are considerably less attractive than the norm, and less attractive than many of the women who have affairs with underage students.

Consider one prisoner's point: "As long as they get me what I want I can be whatever and whoever they need me to be. It's all a game really, a tradeoff. I know nobody does nothing for free, and if I got to sex one of these broads down to get her to bring stuff in to me, than you know what time it is."

In other words, these women are going into careers as prison guards specifically to get access to a more attractive group of men than they would otherwise have access to. It's similar to interracial dating, in which the partner from the higher status race is reliably less physically attractive according to the racial standard than the one from the lower status race.

36 comments:

Earl Thomas said...

'In other words, these women are going into careers as prison guards specifically to get access to a more attractive group of men than they would otherwise have access to.'

Well if this is a lesser attractive group of women they probably do it as much because of the control and power they have along with the rush it brings. It may even be they have an easier access to a large group of men and therefore they don't have to put in much effort. A lot of these women are lazy.

JP said...

Why would anyone ever think female guards in a male prison is a good idea? Ditto for the other way around. This is compounded by an article I read by a former prison guard who pointed out that most of the rapes in prison are perpetrated by the guards on inmates (showing dominance and whatnot).

JP said...

I don't have statistics to go with what I read, so don't quote me.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Slim Pickings??

What in the Wide World of Sports is going on around here? I'm paying you fellers to build a railroad, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!

Owen said...

JP,
I worked data for a large corrections agency. I think the number is a little misleading because any sex between a guard (corrections officer) and an inmate is automatically "rape." No ifs, and, or buts.

Rape statistics are typically reported to be between 10-20%. That's also misleading. We did an extensive post-release survey. The inmates were not on parole. They were free and clear. Survey was anonymous. The survey was carefully constructed to track consistency and honesty. It was part of the PREA legislation during Bush's terms.

We found forcible rape to have occurred to 2-4% of the population. That figure places it well above the officer/inmate rape figure (inmate pop was well over 40K and officer misconduct might've been 5-10 per year), but still below the often quoted number. It's still too high, considering the state is responsible for the care and custody of inmates. A great deal of the sex is transactional or consensual.

If needed, I can point to the direction of the stats, but I'm not sure it's needed.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

Honey Badger Radio recently shared statistics that women make up less than half of the prison guards yet account for roughly 95% of sexual abuse among juvenile male inmates.

This is not surprising.

SarahsDaughter said...

In other words, these women are going into careers as prison guards specifically to get access to a more attractive group of men than they would otherwise have access to.

Likely the same motivation for female soldiers who choose male dominated MOS's that regularly deploy. The SMP is rough on unattractive women, career fields where captive audiences of large numbers of men and few attractive women exist increase their odds.

Owen said...

swift,
That brings up a good point. Sexual assault in juvenile facilities is where a great deal of the forcible rape occurs.

My shop looked only at adult facilities (male and female).

We also didn't query any experience(s) they had outside of our institutions.

cailcorishev said...

Why would anyone ever think female guards in a male prison is a good idea?

It's like coed dorms in college: one of those ideas that's so self-evidently stupid that you wonder how it ever happened -- and yet it's already common throughout the system. The first time someone suggested it, the response had to be laughter and disbelief. Yet somehow it became the standard, without any national conversation, any bragging about "firsts" or talk about compromises or what to do if it didn't work out. Just: it wasn't, now it is, and everyone acts as if it always was and will be.

I guess that's why we still read Animal Farm.

Doom said...

Oh? You should hear them wail and whine when they find such a man in the wild, even attractive women, and realize he is bound to chastity. I will either have a wife or nothing, a childbearing woman to boot. The gleam of hate in their eyes is... precious. Especially the middle-aged women. Older women just offer, but don't really expect a bite. But those soccer moms, married or not, just can't get over that they are of zero interest. Young women, real maidens, get perturbed if they are found wanting, but not vengeful or hatefilled. They, sort of, mostly, don't know what they are missing. And might even... appreciate my reasoning through their own at that time in their life. Chastity has reason and purpose. Women offering to be just lovers have nothing I need or want at this point. It was a good run back in the day, and actually I can still get favors even now, without any... freewill offerings. They just hate me, in some odd way. More, as small communities, they take offense en masse. And yet I can get them to laugh about it all, sometimes even as small groups.

Perhaps I am delusional. But I'm telling you, I don't think so. Women are so like soft butter when offering... anything, everything. I can smell it, their want. It used to be a terrible temptation, when I first made my choice. Still can be. Hell they invade my dreams sometimes, though not just middle-aged women. My target aged women do to, but for the wrong reasons or ones I don't necessarily want. No more lovers, younger or older. A wife, nothing more, nothing less, and a right one. I've met three before, like the one who is currently on my mind. Haunting me, both the past and the new ones. Three before, one now, right women... wife material. These tempt me greatly. I always left them alone in the past... a reverence for right women.

You may be right. And a woman will sell her soul to be with a man who doesn't demand just makes her feminine. Chemical? Psychological? Several ways? Don't know. But if you have ever made a woman hunger, you know this thing. I know and love, and used to greatly abuse this thing. From time to time.

Earl Thomas said...

'Chastity has reason and purpose. Women offering to be just lovers have nothing I need or want at this point.'

Same here. Any woman can give that up...I want a woman who has more than that.

genericviews said...

Why would anyone ever think female guards in a male prison is a good idea?

it is an old social experiment that presupposes the presence of women forces men to behave themselves at a different, more civilized, level then they do in all-male environments. Same as with Mexican police using women because the are less corrupt. A male prisoner would NEVER hit a female guard, so she is safer than a male guard.

Corvinus said...

I see this story involves blacks...

I actually suspect that a lot of the blacks in jail are Gammas rather than Alphas. But remember that ugly black women are incredibly thirsty; they're probably the thirstiest women on the planet, or at least close to it.

one of those ideas that's so self-evidently stupid that you wonder how it ever happened -- and yet it's already common throughout the system. The first time someone suggested it, the response had to be laughter and disbelief. Yet somehow it became the standard, without any national conversation, any bragging about "firsts" or talk about compromises or what to do if it didn't work out. Just: it wasn't, now it is, and everyone acts as if it always was and will be.
@calicorishev
Let's call it Swedish Immigration Policy Syndrome.

Earl Thomas said...

I suspect a lot of people in jail are gammas. Really it's not so much the quality of man getting the women...it's the quality of woman going after weak men who are jailed.

SarahsDaughter said...

I suspect a lot of people in jail are gammas. Really it's not so much the quality of man getting the women...it's the quality of woman going after weak men who are jailed.

This post was about female prison guards. Do you suspect a lot of men in prison are gammas? Wouldn't the irrational self confidence of the natural Alpha be the common trait of men in prison?

Corvinus said...

@SarahsDaughter

Jailbirds commonly have Gamma traits, such as a delusional grasp of reality and an urge to corrupt and/or lash out at society. (Think of how blacks with Elliot Rodger's attitude toward society would act.) Sure, there are Alphas such as Tavon White, but I suspect they're a distinct minority.

Earl Thomas said...

' Do you suspect a lot of men in prison are gammas? Wouldn't the irrational self confidence of the natural Alpha be the common trait of men in prison?'

Alphas don't have irrational self confidence. They have rational self confidence. Delusions of grandeur affect another kind of man.

LP 999/Eliza said...

How wonderfully healthy; men who take sodomy/false religions bring all back to women who screw more men outside of the prison back into the larger prison that is americants! Damn!

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Owen said...

The men in prison are easily cultured to accept new norms.

They may play the "it's all part of the game/doing time," but they show tendencies to be easily manipulated.

I'd say the prison pop is probably a general reflection of the civilian population in the area. My opinion.

LP 999/Eliza said...

I know a different kind of girl but the same renegade heart as I. If I could be her. Nursing homes are prisons too.

"Dad was the original gangster of my heart that pple like Ice-T (1990's ref to Ice-T OG's songs, mainly regarding free speech, "speech is free just watch whatca say") could only sing about but never really knew.

Now that dad is blind for 9 months and I was told he cannot regain his vision back without a miracle I will never hold back from breaking into song and dance. Pleading for him as he pleads for me to keep living. My critic was a moon walker before Micheal Jackson and Queen were ever born. Even tho he cannot critique my dancing anymore, the same words remain, he knows I'm his best.

Now I dance for the men at the nursing home and piss off the women into a frenzy, now the men cheer in glee over what is left of my youth that I long ago gave up. If they wont let me take my dad, dad and I are resuming our lives. I dance for the men who can see as dad intuitively knows each song, each move. The police dont respond, they come to watch me. Mgmt is sidetracked by my attorneys as dad and I plan hospice. (We met with hospice last week, its ok now, if I lose dad, his blood remains with me til I die.

Mgmt is really busy with my atty's, my dancing is the least of their problems now. They goofed up several illegal times and I'm the worst person to face when life is at stake. You never know what I'll pull, I'm wild card joker with plenty of time to fight it out. I have the org by the balls, they rated a 2 out of 5 - oh no, its like sinking me into another bank or God Forbid nearby gammas ."

Bob Wallace said...

I've never seen a female prison guard or a female police officer who wasn't an overweight skank. It's slim pickings for them.

tweell said...

As I work in this environment, I'd like to note that experienced women also get played. We had one with a woman who had 15 years experience and was married to a captain, she got played by a guy who uses women to bring in cell phones. Yeah, his inside 'business' is providing cell phones to his fellow inmates, the woman was his 8th smuggler. She was unhappy and he hooked her like a trout. Another resigned so she could live with her 'true love' after he got out, he stripped her bank account, sold everything she had of value and took off.

Female health care providers are notably conduits of drugs as well. Our inmate health care is contracted out, so these women don't even have the training that the normal staff member gets (not that it seems to matter much).

Bogey said...

I think the number is a little misleading because any sex between a guard (corrections officer) and an inmate is automatically "rape." No ifs, and, or buts.

That's jaw droppingly stupid.

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Kyle Smith said...

Having worked in the prison system in TX, I break prisoners into three general categories:

Old harmless white guys: white collar crimes, pedophiles

Stupid people: Committed crimes because their friends were committing a crime, lack mental ability to think of other solutions to problems.

Sociopaths: Violent criminals. Constantly manipulative. Mostly in TX these were minorities.

My guess is all the pregnancies in TX are between the black sociopaths and the black guards (95% black in texas prison I was in for some reason).

SarahsDaughter said...

Alphas don't have irrational self confidence. They have rational self confidence. Delusions of grandeur affect another kind of man.

This isn't true of what I've read here or what I have witnessed personally on the very rare occasions I've encountered a Natural Alpha.

Socio/sexual status for men is defined by the response women have to them, right? When women are in the vicinity of a Natural Alpha, it often doesn't even make sense to her why he's captivated her attention, it most certainly is irrational for her and his (irrational) self confidence will frustrate her (and lesser men in the area witnessing his performance), especially when the natural Alpha is not physically attractive.

Earl Thomas said...

Irrational self confidence always gets exposed. That's the frustrating part.

Another term for rational self confidence is merit.

Kyle Smith said...

@SarahsDaughter

I think defining socio-sexual status by the response to women is what many people do but also ridiculous. No other men are going to admire or follow the bad boy drummer no many how many girls throw themselves at him. Men follow men and men respond to completely different attributes than women. Irrational self confidence may make women swoon but disgusts men because confidence is both a personality trait and a reflection of learned or inherent skills. Some men are confident socially because they are good looking and always get positive feedback. Some men are confident in the classroom because they win there. Maybe this is why VD invented the sigma, to try and solve this riddle.

Akulkis said...

"Likely the same motivation for female soldiers who choose male dominated MOS's that regularly deploy. The SMP is rough on unattractive women, career fields where captive audiences of large numbers of men and few attractive women exist increase their odds."

That reminds me of the case of a female soldier who had 50% more time in Afghanistan than even high-rotation units. Kept getting deployed. Kept getting busted down to Private First Class (paygrade E-3 for those in other services) for various sexual improprieties. Eventually, there was some sort of investigation as to why she was spending 75% of her time in Afghanistan [And apparently, she had re-endlisted at least once, so she had the opportunity to leave but didn't take it, making me believe that her 3:1 Afghanistan to stateside time was of her own choosing.

Akulkis said...

Oh... and she was severely overweight, and in the one photo I saw of her, she looked like a train wreck.

Dystopic said...

She probably was a trainwreck. Too many trains run on her.

Earl Thomas said...

'I think defining socio-sexual status by the response to women is what many people do but also ridiculous. No other men are going to admire or follow the bad boy drummer no many how many girls throw themselves at him. Men follow men and men respond to completely different attributes than women.'

Men would more likely NOT follow the bad boy drummer unless they have absolutely no self confidence or ability in themselves.

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