Thursday, October 18, 2012

Nous sommes le déluge

Sarah Hoyt contemplates The Myth That Kills:
What I see is women who were freed by tech advances and who THINK they were freed by marching shoulder to shoulder and taking permanent offense.  These women live in a state of paranoia, dreaming up male privilege that is invisible to anyone but them, and taking offense at ever more ridiculous things – even things that have nothing to do with gender – because they’re so terrified of men taking the upper hand again.

I look at them going to war with spelling: Womyn, Herstory.  I look at them dancing around dressed as vaginas (!) because apparently the most important thing in these women’s lives is their sexual organs. I look at them acting as a pack and attacking whoever they’re told to attack because “so and so is anti-woman” and I think… these are humans?  These are civilized people?  Don’t they see they’re being tools of the Marxist divide-and-conquer strategy?  Don’t they see the end of this is either societal destruction or TRUE backlash for the sake of saving civilization?

Apparently not.  So… carry on.  Dance around in your little fabric vaginas.  Think that all men are out to get you.  Refuse to have children, because some of them might be male.  And scream, scream, scream about made-up outrage.
That’s the way to bring civilization down and destroy the technological advances that brought us equality.  If that’s what you want, DO carry on.

Apres nous, le deluge.
Many people wrongly consider Game bloggers like Roissy and me, pessimistic observers who see through an increasingly dark and bloody glass, to be reactionaries.  This only means that they don't understand the historical patterns in play now.  We are the post-feminists.  We are the coming civilization.  We are the flood.

63 comments:

whoism3 said...

At least their fabric vagina's will keep them warm when the power goes out.

Tho without men, they'll die out relatively quickly and be consigned to HERstory.

Trust said...

Alphas may be at the top of the SMP food chain, but remember the main reason alphas behave as they do is because it is how get their prey.

Anonymous said...

Yes. The sheer pettiness (for lack of better word) of the feminist complaints is astounding. Consider the Swedish bitch who started taking pictures of men on the Stockholm subway who were "taking up too much space" and posting the pictures on her blog. Since I'm stupid, I expected to see men lying down on three seats (and a suitcase on the fourth), but what the pictures showed were just ordinary guys sitting on a single seat just like ordinary guys do.

Trust said...

Women want sexual equality when advantageous to women, and want sexual differences when advantageous to women.

Give up your seat for women, pick up the tab for women, man up and take care of women, protect women. Women women women.

You want those same women to be kind to you? They aren't slaves you sexist egocentric male pig. Why should they do anything for you?

Hypocritical? Depends on who benefits.

Cryan Ryan said...

"We are the post-feminists. We are the coming civilization. We are the flood."

Yes we are.

You and Roissy and the others have been mobilizing an army of men, including me, who each in turn plant seeds of knowledge in others.

In the last several years, partly due to your influence, I have intervened in several people's lives. (yep - I stuck my nose in their business)

I helped to get a nephew away from his drug addled mother and living with his Dad.

I put the kabosh on a mother who was intent on hiring an attorney to prevent her son in law from seeing his kid.

I influenced a granddaughter who was getting crap advice about "playing the field..." and now she is married with a beautiful young daughter. (and a stay at home mom)

I helped another young man put his foot down and stop the shit tests of his wife, and helped him understand what was happening and what he needed to do about it. They're still together.

etc etc...

Keep saying what you are saying. And thank you.

Stickwick said...

We are the coming civilization.

Vox, I respect what you're doing here and the perspective from which you present this stuff. However, I have difficulty seeing how Roissy is the coming civilization. He's clever, and he certainly understands human motivations, but from what I have read, he seems primarily interested in using this understanding as a means for indulging in physical gratification and little else. Am I missing something? Asking in all sincerity: In what way does he represent the building up of civilization?

Giraffe said...

@Stickwick
Am I missing something? Asking in all sincerity: In what way does he represent the building up of civilization?

I don't think VD is saying that he does build up civilization. But guys like him are going to be around.....

Jack Dublin said...

@Stickwick
I took it too mean the information and observations Roissy points out, not necessarily his specific way of using them. The same building blocks can be used for multiple structures.

I do find it laughable how self defeating feminists are. They clamour for some inane legislation and more individuals realize that stable civilizations and feminism are incompatible. This makes the idiots cry misogyny. They demand outright insane laws be passed. More folks look at them like the petulant children they are... repeat until the breaking point.

JCclimber said...

What has been an interesting experiment for me has been the switch to using much more rhetoric in my interactions, both female and male, to make points about the move in civilization. And to tamp down the self-destructive behaviors I see in women.

Weaving more rhetoric into my guest sermons has been helpful too. And, more fun to boot!

I'm reminded in this snippet of part of the dialogue of the latest Batman movie. "There's a storm coming Mr. Wayne". Yes, yes it is. And the Republican lackeys who decried this movie as being anti-capitalist have their heads buried, um, somewhere dark and noisome.

Stickwick said...

I took it too mean the information and observations Roissy points out, not necessarily his specific way of using them. The same building blocks can be used for multiple structures.

Okay, that makes sense. I hope more men use it to rebuild civilization than to capitalize on its decline.

Jack Dublin said...

@Stickwick

I don't see most guys capitalizing on the decline by preference so much as its the only sane response to the current state of the world. That is, the actions that would have once advanced us are either useless or actually harmful.
If I work hard and get a really good income? A generous chunk will be taken and used for purposes I consider atrocious and morally vehement. Ergo, I don't work to my full potential.(I could give a few more examples but you get the idea.)
As such, after the chaos of society re-balancing itself I find it rather likely that many of us who are 'enjoying the decline' will switch gears because the world is sane again.

Stickwick said...

I don't see most guys capitalizing on the decline by preference so much as its the only sane response to the current state of the world. That is, the actions that would have once advanced us are either useless or actually harmful.

Totally understandable, Jack. However, as I pointed out in a previous thread, certain creeds preclude that. And even if your personal philosophy does not preclude it, there is a very simple principle governing all of human behavior that makes pleasure-seeking for its own sake completely pointless, and that is the observable reality that pleasure-seeking is a zero-sum game. For every moment of pleasure, there is an equal moment of pain. It's Newton's Third Law of human behavior. So, if you're not Christian, and you understand the fundamental nature of human existence, what is the sane response? Probably something like the Buddhist desire for nothingness.

Bob Wallace said...


Feminism was mostly based on boredom and envy. Since women were freed from drudgery by men's technical accomplishments, they become bored. That was The Problem With No Name described by the Medusoid Betty Friedan.

They thought men were living wonderful lives so they became envious. It was a delusion.

Accidie and envy are, of course, two of the Seven Deadly Sins,

taterearl said...

"We are the post-feminists. We are the coming civilization. We are the flood."

Just don't allow them to have an ark.

Jack Dublin said...

Admittedly most of the 'enjoy the decline' advocates I read and hang out with are either Christian or come from a Christian moral framework. They are also mostly libertarian. It tends to narrow one's view. Sort of like reading only the sharpest feminists without ever rolling through Tumblr. There are those who are more into 'enjoy the chaos'. I'd guess something like a nigh militant Anonymous is more to their liking. Buddhism seems to contemplative.

I don't know if amorality and sanity are compatible. It's just... violent hedonism? 'My ends justify the means.' I find it hard to label that as sanity of any kind.
As a clarification I believe i can enjoy the decline, whereas I can only get out of the way and survive the actual collapse. I think Vox mentioned something along the lines of it getting worse before it gets better.

Philalethes said...

Stickwick said...

"So, if you're not Christian, and you understand the fundamental nature of human existence, what is the sane response? Probably something like the Buddhist desire for nothingness."

Uh, sorta, except that Nirvana (the aim of Buddhist practice) is not "nothingness". It is peace, and freedom, absolute and unconditioned. Nor, I believe, is it unique to Buddhism. The "peace that passeth understanding" may refer to the same thing, however you may choose to seek it.

Doorstop said...

Why is it that when I heard "binders of women" and "patronizing" used in various op-ed pieces telling women they should be outraged at Romney, I was reminded of the millions of copies of the "Fifty Shades" BDSM fantasy books that were sold this election year?

The Great and Powerful Oz said...

You're offended? Tell me again, why I should care?

Anonymous said...

This might be off topic, but... Feminism is one of the reasons why I can't read American romance novels and watch chic flicks anymore, even though I truly enjoy romance. They fall in love with a jerk who's in control, then by the end of the story, the jerk is tamed by "true love" and becomes obedient to the girl. Then the girls in all the classics faint at the slightest things and can't be "exposed" to the world because they're "too delicate". There's no balance. And by people wonder why I prefer action movies over chic flicks. Why would I want to choose a mushy love story over sexy guys who beat the crap out of each other and have guns to boot? Just a perspective from a girl ^_^ GREAT post, Vox. You hit it right on the nail every time.

LP 999/Eliza said...

Hail, hail to our team...The power of negative thinking wins out every time as chicks dressed up at ____ is beyond absurd. The crimson won't bow to that worship.

Athor Pel said...

"Stickwick said...
...Am I missing something? Asking in all sincerity: In what way does he represent the building up of civilization?
October 18, 2012 1:40 PM "



It isn't a particular behavior that the manosphere represents but an awareness of the true nature of mankind, particularly women. With that knowledge deeply embedded in all men's minds the world becomes a much different place.

ck said...

"It isn't a particular behavior that the manosphere represents but an awareness of the true nature of mankind, particularly women. With that knowledge deeply embedded in all men's minds the world becomes a much different place."

Exactly. Original Sin and concupiscence of the flesh impacts men and women, yet in different ways. This is why Vox has argued that you can see observations of game in St. Paul, St. Augustine, and St. Thomas Aquinas.

Daniel said...

StickwickSo, if you're not Christian, and you understand the fundamental nature of human existence, what is the sane response? Probably something like the Buddhist desire for nothingness.

I disagree with that conclusion. If you are not Christian, and you understand the fundamental nature of human existence, the sane response is to acknowledge God, and follow Jesus into hell, should it come to that.

The insane response is to hear His voice, share in His wisdom, and do nothing.

The sane "Foolishness of Christ" is deemed such by the sin-cracked lunatics of the world.

It is no coincidence that Christ healed so many madmen.

I don't mean to offend the non-Christians with this talk of mental and spiritual illness. After all, I was one for a long time, a very "sane" one, and still, it was crazy of me to realize the nature of man and to still stubbornly insist I could overcome the world on my own.

There's no other word that better suits my frame of mind of the time.

Years ago when the twitching, wild-eyed man in the dirty Spiderman pajamas was dragged from my building by security, the thing he kept screaming, over and over, while he wept was: "YOU are all crazy!"

That's the model of the man who sees our true nature, yet can't turn to the only Truth.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice in the Presidential debate tuesday night, the single women sitting behind Govenor Romney and President Obama? There were two of them, each strategically placed behind each candidate.

Gender pay gap was of course debated that night in which white knight positions were absolute.

megapotamus said...

But it's also a deluge of pussy juice. These chicks don't know why they've been so dry for fifty years. It's because they've driven off exactly what they truly, in their primitive little hearts, want.

Anonymous said...

TO: Vox, et al.
RE: Heh

The feminist movement died one millisecond after the first impact. -- Niven and Pournelle, Lucifer's Hammer

And it doesn't have to be a cometary impact either. Even though research into global winters that bring civilizations down into the gutter of history. It could be something as simple as an Iranian nuke detonated 250 miles over Omaha.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Be Prepared.....]

Anonymous said...

Anyone else disturbed by the words "flood" and "vagina" used in the same post?

Anonymous said...

P.S. Left out something.....

Even though research into global winters that bring civilizations down into the gutter of history indicate that we're well over due for something along those lines. The last one being c. 540 AD. And the mean time between such events is roughly 720 years. [NOTE: There've been five such events discovered through global tree ring research.]

Anonymous said...

"We are the post-feminists. We are the coming civilization. We are the flood."

Aw, I bet you say that every month...

unsigned_integer said...

For every moment of pleasure, there is an equal moment of pain. It's Newton's Third Law of human behavior.

Where is the evidence for this - each time I laugh at a funny joke are you saying that there some painful happening getting lined up that moment to clobber me?

What specifically is unchristian about 'enjoying the decline' in the sense that is being talked about here. (Enjoying the decline != mindless hedonism)

M. Report said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_%28Halo%29

and

Q: What does Obama truly believe ?
A: L'etat, c'est moi, est apres moi, le deluge.

Geoff Matthews said...

"We are the coming civilization. We are the flood. "

No, because you won't reproduce, and people who embrace your philosophy are less inclined to reproduce. You won't be building a civilization without children.

Thucydides said...

I am constantly astounded by the utter silence of "feminists" when it comes to real violation of human (and by extension, woman's) rights in Islamic nations, or violence perpetrated against women by Islamists here in Canada.

Even the high profile murders of three women was greeted by the sound of feminist crickets chirping. They have eliminated themselves from any serious consideration by their silence.

Stickwick said...

I disagree with that conclusion. If you are not Christian, and you understand the fundamental nature of human existence, the sane response is to acknowledge God, and follow Jesus into hell, should it come to that.

I see what you're saying, Daniel. The problem is, for someone who absolutely will not believe in the goodness of God or the divinity of Christ, this is not an option they will ever consider. I have a close relative in this situation now. He believes God exists, but does not believe that God cares about any of us. He has become an absurdist and is pretty much at the point where he wishes for Nothingness. This is a rational response when you can't bring yourself to believe that there is any meaning in this insane world.

Daniel said...

this is not an option they will ever consider.

Right, but you asked for the sane response. The only sane response is to consider the Truth.

I would suggest that your relative's response is logical based on his bias against the Truth, but not rational.

There's a guy who rides the bus with tinfoil in his hair to keep the electromagnetic waves away. It is a totally logical response to his beliefs, but not what I would consider to be rational.

I may be getting lost in semantics, though.

I guess if your question is: what is the logical response of a person who refuses to accept or hold on to the truth, I guess my answer is that it doesn't matter.

Hedonism, absurdism, buddhism, nihilism, anarchism all become options. The benefit of choosing to bypass the Way for wider pursuits is that your soul gets to be the hero of a Choose Your Own Adventure. Write your script however you like, until the book ends.

Ultimately, because there is no meaning, you get to stare into the void sitting from any chair in the house: it quite literally doesn't matter. There are just differing symptoms of the insanity, but I don't think there is one "rational" way to knowingly choose evil because the good is just too unpalatable.

Obviously, I would prefer that the lunatics, if they must choose madness, choose to go off and live their lives a peaceful neighbors, but that isn't my choice to make, and I can't say it is anymore "rational" for a deathbound man to bliss out than for him to to make a spectacular show of violence and discord before he goes...

The one with the straitjacket on may be less likely to bother me, but he's no more of sound soul or mind than the one with the axe in his hand.

Frankly, the axe-wielders are easier to engage. At least they are inviting interaction.

The whimperer in the corner is akin to C.S. Lewis' lost man, staring into the cold embers of a long dead fire, freezing to death.

Josh said...

No, because you won't reproduce, and people who embrace your philosophy are less inclined to reproduce. You won't be building a civilization without children.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Daniel said...

Don't answer that question Geoff. It's a trap!

JCclimber said...

@Geoff,
thanks, that was seriously funny. I needed a good laugh today.

Rebuilding civilization. ha ha ha!

Oh wait, I get it! You meant that you believe the current situation is actually civilized and after the complete disintegration of the facade, people will want to reconstruct this travesty of "civilization". Ah, now, that's just plain sad. I feel for you. The awakening is going to be painful if you haven't already started when the collapse comes.

mikee said...

After me, the deluge. We are the flood.

These are two very different statements. One recognizes that only one thing prevents a collapse that is coming, the other claims to be the cause of the coming collapse. Strange.

Hucbald said...

"When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around." - Sting

He seems to live his philosophy.

VD said...

These are two very different statements. One recognizes that only one thing prevents a collapse that is coming, the other claims to be the cause of the coming collapse.

Yes. No. Not the cause, merely the consequence.

huh said...

You people talking about a collapse are dreaming. There isn't going to be a collapse. Things will progressively get worse for you if you're ideologically opposed to global political and economic integration and political equality but the people in power and most of the population don't care what you think.

The desperation and agonizing you people exhibit are legitimate concerns for you because there is a kind of collapse - it's the collapse of the legitimacy of your ideology.

The world is moving on and of course that means things are changing. Old ways are no longer the ways of the world and that is creating new problems - the current sexual and mating market is an example.

But this is nothing new, man made a choice long ago to leave his natural habitat and form new ways of organizing his life because it provided benefits. Our current society is a natural development of that and of course it presents problems that would not have existed would we be living in other ways.

The solutions to these problems are never, and have never been to go back to the old ways of living. Civilizations did not go back to agrarian life and agrarian society did not choose to go back to hunter gatherer tribalism.

What happens is that new technologies are created to solve, or at least alleviate the new problems. Game is an example of that. And as with any new technology, there is a trade-off. It provides a benefit that is essential but it also asks for something that in the long run is probably even more essential.

the benevolent man in space to rule them all said...

"women who were freed by tech advances"

the invisible hand of fate, the rotating gears of destiny, the alignment of stars, the power of kismet

Nate Whilk said...

Thucydides said, I am constantly astounded by the utter silence of "feminists" when it comes to real violation of human (and by extension, woman's) rights in Islamic nations, or violence perpetrated against women by Islamists here in Canada.

IIRC Tammy Bruce was the head of N.O.W. in LA when OJ was being tried, and she was INSTRUCTED by the higher-ups in N.O.W. that she was NOT to publicly make statements about the obvious feminist implications of the OJ case.

Athor Pel said...

"huh said...

You people talking about a collapse are dreaming. There isn't going to be a collapse.
...
October 19, 2012 10:23 AM "





You're not quite Pangloss but you are awful close.

PacRim Jim said...

What American women fail to realize is that there are billions of women outside of America, most of whom are desirous of living a traditional life.
Import substitution will result from your incessant demands.

Anonymous said...

Roissy may represent the near future. For a time frame of 30+ years, he doesn't sound like he has enough kids. He won't make a very big impact. The future of male/female relations will belong to people named Ahmed and Mo.

-Pete EE

Anonymous said...

Roissy represents the desire for an equalization of the social equation. If women are going to be barbarians, then men should be as well.

I hope for a rebuilding of true civilization founded on Truth. But the hatred of Truth is strong in our so-called elites.

Really, one should pity the elites. They've got two doors, and both stink. In Door One lies at best shame and ignominy, possibly a French Revolution as they allow reform.
In Door Two, crushing revolution and show trials as the best case, and civilizational collapse as the worst case if they try to 'bitterly cling' to power.

That has to suck.

Of course, they brought themselves to this spot, but one can still feel pity as for Gollum.

===============

Mike C said...

Many people wrongly consider Game bloggers like Roissy and me, pessimistic observers who see through an increasingly dark and bloody glass, to be reactionaries. This only means that they don't understand the historical patterns in play now. We are the post-feminists. We are the coming civilization. We are the flood.

Vox, 2 questions

1. How do you see this all playing out? I'm genuinely curious. And I'm talking specifics in terms of socio-political-economic events and timeline

2. What is the optimal path to the coming civilization? I think there is still too much disagreement about many important issues even amongst various supposed allies. My personal belief is the faster the whole situation is just blown up by things getting terrible (like a heroin junkie) the sooner we can all come to some sort of universal agreement on the diagnosis and fix to get clean.

Mike C said...

To add to my last comment on point #2, what I don't think is any lasting solution is marginal, incremental, patch-work "fixes" that really don't remove the cancer from the body politic. Thinking of it like a building I think you shut down the water, turn off the electricity and just let the building rot. When it is horrendous, you blow it up and start fresh with a new foundation.

Angel said...

Vox, your statement puzzles me a bit. You and Roissey are two different men. He more of a brute beast who sees the sheep without a sheperd and runs at them and tears them apart.

While you have not taking the lead of protecting the sheep, you do seem to be screaming at them to wake the hell up, they are welcoming a wolf into their midst.

As for the civilization to come, how do you see that playing out regarding raising children prepeared to deal with it? I find myself having to teach a dual reality to my children. Yes, this is what they are doing...but here is the truth. Yes, you will have to be among those who believe this..but this is the truth.

Thanks.

Angel said...

You know what, scratch that, I have seen you give some good advice to the earnest on how to handle some situations.

I guess my point was, while Roissey may be the flood I am hoping you are not.

Or I have been seriously deceived by your intentions here.

Daniel said...

Really? A world in which men take open advantage of the myth of equality, thereby undermining, with action, the myth of equality is terrible, how again?

A few years ago, I could only shake my head when a kid who should have been state champion forfeited his early round match with a girl because "it's not right to fight a girl."

It would have been better, if unseemly, if he had simply wrestled her to his peak ability, and probably ruined her ACLs in the process. He had a wicked set of leg-takedowns. He had the ability to force the first tap-out in state tourney history.

Instead, he did what he'd been taught his whole life: let the girl win.

And she did, and we're worse for it.

Roissy is simply the wrestler who wrestles, and, by doing so, demonstrates the natural differences between men and women that no amount of rationalization or anti-rationalization can ever prove to the masses.

His opponents' disgust is a victory for civilization. If it reminds them to build the wall, it will have been a genuine force of good, regardless of how immoral his teachings may be. If it doesn't remind them, then they get what they deserve: society, in its own sick way, wanted to be plundered more than it wanted to be bought back.

a good ROI said...

"I guess my point was, while Roissey may be the flood I am hoping you are not."

I don't think anyone, with more then a few months here or at VP, needs to mistake Vox for the same flood that Roissy and his type would be a part of. But Vox and people of his kind are part of the flood, just a slightly different type.

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