Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Feminism and the fall of the West

Dalrock presents an excellent post describing the forces and mechanisms that dictate societal collapse in the West as a logical consequence of feminist equalitarianism:
Feminism has become a central organizing force for western culture.  Nearly every decision public and private must consider feminism first, and everything else second.  This is true for everything from our last ditch nuclear deterrent to men’s entertainment.  Even the Word of God must kneel before the word of feminists.  The reason this doesn’t come to mind for most people is it is everywhere.  It seems normal, if not natural.

What is too easy to forget is that this is artificial, and therefore requires constant effort to maintain.  Feminism didn’t demolish a barrier between two seas and let the water levels adjust;  it is a massive pumping operation.  Turn off the pumps even for a little bit and reality will come flooding back.

The longer we keep the pumps running, the more the true cost of the operation becomes evident.  Most of what feminism gained it did on credit of one sort or another, and these bills are coming due....

The fatal flaws of all three of these models, including their use in blended form, are the same:
  • There is insufficient incentive to keep the mass of men producing at the levels needed to transfer enough wealth to women.
  • Women who spend their early adulthood focusing on education and career before becoming mothers lead to an enormously expensive mis-allocation of investment in human capital.  This exists across all industries but is most easily identified in the case of medical doctors, as The Social Pathologist has witnessed.
  • Children don’t just need financial resources, they need a real father.  Fathers who aren’t head of the household are a very poor substitute for those who are.
  • By prioritizing women’s careers over becoming mothers, the birthrate greatly declines.
While the first two bullets reduce production by existing men below their potential, the last two reduce the number of productive men in future generations.  Taken together we end up with reduced numbers of productive men, and less production by those few who exist.  These problems aren’t visible at first with feminism however because there is a delay in experiencing the loss of production by men.  This gives the initial appearance of a free lunch, where the only result is the increased production associated with women prioritizing paid work.  However, this apparent free lunch is simply the inertia of the system;  the flaws become progressively more evident from generation to generation.
Dalrock is explicating something I have been pointing out for years.  A feminist society must collapse because it is an unsustainable societal model.  In fact, I expect it to collapse in fewer than the 70 years it took the Soviet Union to go from start to finish because the economic and societal contradictions inherent to the feminist model are actually greater than were intrinsic to the Communist model.

32 comments:

Matthew Walker said...

Feminism is pretty monstrous, but IMHO you should read Solzhenitsyn and Robert Conquest before you make a case that it's more fucked than communism.

Same basic idea, though: "We can make everything perfect for the collective by screwing the individual, and then everybody will be happy. Except the individuals. But who cares about them? Oh, wait..."

Daniel said...

Walker - You might want to read Vox Popoli before you make a case that Vox hasn't read plenty to have a thorough understanding of the communist society. You didn't intend it, but your correction made me laugh.

Once, a friend of mine and one of his friends were trying to sort out an operating error on a new computer game. I tried to offer help. The guy I didn't know thanked me and politely mentioned he had tried that already.

Later, I found out he was a software engineer who had invented core systems for a fairly well-known PDA system at the time.

My good intentions didn't wither under the light of reality right away, but the root was cut long before I ever noticed the leaves were falling dead. My humbling lesson: unlike feminism, make sure the assumptions are valid FIRST.

I guess it is good that feminists are pro-abortion: their own theory was dead in the womb.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

Feminism is probably the greatest evil that the West has ever given rise to.

However, if the West was dominated by ALPHAs, then this wouldn't have happened. What gave rise to it was that men became more civilized and lazy. This allowed the few malcontents within the female collective to rise up against us without little backlash.

And while the BETA boys suffer, the ALPHA men revel in their new found joys of hooking up without consequences, as wrought by a bunch ugly, short-haired trolls that not even a desperate Gamma would lay with.

Cryan Ryan said...

Last night at the gym, two young white girls (this town is all white) entered the gym, wearing the tiniest little bikinis you can imagine. The girls were maybe 10 years old. Pre-pubescent.

Very pale white skin. Slouched posture. Both clutching a smart phone in one hand as if their life depended on it. Although other kids were tossing or kicking balls around, the two girls sort of huddled and stood by themselves. (out in the middle)

A few questions.

1) who let's small girls dress like this in public? (even if they were going to swim)
2) what's with the clutched phones?
3) what's with the slouched posture?
4) Is there a father that allows this?
5) What was the point of them being there?

In an adjacent room were 18 middle aged women, lumbering through some sort of semi-aerobic routine, which more resembled sweaty elephants walking.

Exactly one of them had a decent figure. The instructor. The others were uniformly 30 to 40 pounds overweight.

Civilization is in deep trouble.

Trust said...

Sometimes I wonder of feminism is the false religion of prophecy. I say that in jest, but it certainly is not hard to consider it the mother of all harlots and an abomination to the earth. And that is to say nothing of the fact that, due to abortion, feminism has slain more truly innocent people that any other dogma.

RYu said...

Feminism is nothing. It's the combination of homosexuality, multikulturalism, and feminism that is deadly.

And stop being so PC. The West = the WHITE countries

Stickwick said...

@RYu: You're missing the point. Who do you think is the driving force behind multiculturalism and the celebration of homosexuality? These would have been non-starters if women hadn't been given disproportionate power.

Jack Amok said...

It's hard to compare timelines for feminism and communism, since the disease of communism has a much more rapid onset. You can write down the year Russia became commie - 1917 (the month is debatable, especially with the calendar mismatch...). But feminism is a more insidious disease. What year did the feminists take power? Hard to say exactly, it was a creeping power grab, a multi-generation putsch. But the overall point is true - it's corrosive and destroys the foundation it depends on, as do all collectivist ideologies.

if the West was dominated by ALPHAs, then this wouldn't have happened...

If you look at productivity, an ALPHA and a BETA are both nearly equal, with an ALPHAs greater potential offset by a tendency to get distracted by shiny things (bikinis, power struggles, etc.) but BETAs outnumber ALPHAs, and BETAs far outproduce DETLAs et al. All told, probalby 80% of a society's productive capacity rests with it's BETAs.

Civilization is a mechanism to tap into and reward that BETA productivity. That's why civilized nations stomped the crap out of high-alpha "warrior" nations.

But the fruits of feminism are a return to barbarism, and we're witnessing the beginnings of that.

The future won't belong to "warrior" societies that embrace their ALPHAs. It will belong to whatever society most effectively re-civilizes itself. Which will neccessarily include chucking feminists over the side.

Daniel said...

Multi-culturalism is a direct subset of feminism. The Homophile movement is the lovechild of feminism and civil rights. The "spontaneous" Stonewall riots would have been a footnote without feminism.

Purposeful youth movements (as opposed to wildings) - lacking any sense of history - are almost exclusively the domain of feminism.

whoism3 said...

There's a reason why 'Enjoy the decline' and 'Watching poolside' are becoming popular taglines.

Stickwick said...

There's a reason why 'Enjoy the decline' and 'Watching poolside' are becoming popular taglines.

As tempting as that is, it's not an option for Christians. As others pointed out in a previous thread, humans have already known times of significant decline that are remarkably similar to what we're experiencing now -- and something better did follow. There is always the option of preserving what is good for the good that will come.

Giraffe said...

As tempting as that is, it's not an option for Christians. As others pointed out in a previous thread, humans have already known times of significant decline that are remarkably similar to what we're experiencing now -- and something better did follow. There is always the option of preserving what is good for the good that will come.

Well put.

Walt said...

While "there is always the option of preserving the good," there is also a certain charm to stomping the bad into the dust when you get the chance.

Aeoli Pera said...

Vox,

I'm seeing more race supremacy comments on your blogs lately. There are two obvious possible explanations for this:

1) Race supremacy groups are getting enough traction that the members are overflowing into the dextrosphere.
2) Lefties are seeding opposing blogs with things to be outraged about.

Thought I should mention it.

Aeoli Pera said...

Stickwick,

I agree that asset protection (civilization in this case) is a good idea in a depression, but why shouldn't a Christian enjoy the decline?

Jacob Ian Stalk said...

Feminism is an attempt to morally justify the survival of our mitochondrial DNA. The mitochondrial DNA wants to protect itself. The X-chromosome is its citadel; feminism is its shield. Nothing new here.

The problem of course is that the thing most likely responsible for its survival is the beta male - the man made not in the service of DNA but of God. He rises above the citadel and both sees and plans for its future. The beta male is sustained not by deoxyribonucleic acid but by the milk of human kindness. Unlike the alpha male, he is assured and nourished by things unseen.

Feminism, however, is borne of a Nietszche-Darwin union. However hard the bastard spawn stares at the parent's vestigial teat and pounds it with its rudimentary limbs the milk of human kindness will never flow from it. The faithless situation into which it was born assures it will never go beyond the citadel wall.

Anonymous said...


"The future won't belong to "warrior" societies that embrace their ALPHAs. It will belong to whatever society most effectively re-civilizes itself. Which will neccessarily include chucking feminists over the side."

true, but one fine point, for a while the ALPHAS will run rampant, and you will see a slaughter the likes of which most men can barely comprehend and THEN a (or some) society(ies) will re-civilize themselves and push back, but it'll be a long haul.

Matthew Walker said...

@Daniel,

I've been reading Vox long enough to know he knows better. I started out just trying to say that without sounding like I was looking for a fight, and then got distracted.

Stickwick said...

While "there is always the option of preserving the good," there is also a certain charm to stomping the bad into the dust when you get the chance.

Of course. Christians are called upon to put evil to rout wherever they can.

I agree that asset protection (civilization in this case) is a good idea in a depression, but why shouldn't a Christian enjoy the decline?

Depends what you mean by "enjoy the decline." In the context I've seen, it means to take advantage of the licentiousness of the times and basically become a libertine. That's not an option for a man who takes his Christian faith seriously. If it means to engage in a certain amount of schadenfreude while you watch the idiots reap the rewards of their destructive behavior, well, I can understand that. But is it a Christian thing to do? My instinct is no.

SouthTX said...

Married the stictly raised good girl. Her dream at the time was to be a great mom and wife. Now that the kid's are older, I support her ambitions. Her old school take on life means she gets to live the dream with support. She will probably have GK's in 5-10. Can't wait. Older kid's smirk that it will be cosmic payback. But we laugh about it.

SouthTX said...

Girl's. Simple test. No matter how bad he pisses you off, do you feel the undeniable urge to rescue him. You do and a thinking man will know you love him. I don't mean this lightly. It get's serious after this point. I can tell you only my wife on this side of eternity gets my undivided attention. Yeah, it happens. But it's a tough road. As in laying on your death bed and her mourning. That put's things into perspective.

LP 999/Eliza said...

It is only a matter of time for f'ism to collapse.

Aeoli Pera said...

Depends what you mean by "enjoy the decline." In the context I've seen, it means to take advantage of the licentiousness of the times and basically become a libertine. That's not an option for a man who takes his Christian faith seriously.

It can also mean, more broadly, not to worry about tomorrow because preparing for unknown disasters doesn't help much.

So I agree with you because Jesus was pretty clear about the importance of preparedness. If not for the rum, I would take the time to back that up with some scripture.

If it means to engage in a certain amount of schadenfreude while you watch the idiots reap the rewards of their destructive behavior, well, I can understand that. But is it a Christian thing to do? My instinct is no.

I think this is a point that deserves a bit more inspection.

I've observed a correlation between the blackness of my humor and my ability to look more squarely at the truth. And I think this is a general quality of black humor. I believe it is because we are really and truly wicked down to our very bones, and no pessimism of which we are capable can encompass the evil in men's hearts. That is, we can never underestimate ourselves.

On those days when I'm in a good humor, I overlook my faults and those of others. We encourage this in America as "positive thinking" and "confidence," but it's nothing short of delusion. We are pathetic creatures deserving nothing better than the fires of Hell. So we have to ignore reality if we want to get anything done.

Else we'd just mope around. It really is a choice between laughing and crying. Or maybe a mixture of the two is best. Which, despite the rum, brings me back to the object of inspection.

I think laughing and crying aren't much different. If we allow ourselves to laugh at the folly of a fool, then we can explain how his logic became absurd. If we allow ourselves to cry over his distress, then we can still recognize his self-inflicted agony is different from our own only in the particulars.

(Maybe I shouldn't drink. It makes me all self-consciously literate, and that makes me want to drink more. Not even to mention the inevitable typos.)

So I think a measure of shadenfreude can, in many cases, build a man up as well as or better than a compliment.

Working definition of schadenfreude , taken in this context to mean "allowing oneself to be aware of suffering, which manifests as laughter."

Aeoli Pera said...

I believe I've gone from "drinking" to "drunk". In such times it is customary for me to perform mathematics until I pass out.

I can't wait to wake up and be thoroughly ashamed at whatever I've been philosophizing about.

Anonymous said...

If it means to engage in a certain amount of schadenfreude while you watch the idiots reap the rewards of their destructive behavior, well, I can understand that. But is it a Christian thing to do? My instinct is no.

See? This is why Puritans are no fun.

Angel said...

For your sad amusement.


I was catching up with a relative this past weekend. She has a daughter in college. She has spent that last 20 years telling this daughter men are horrible, not to get married and that a college degree is the only way she will ever have all the money she needs. She worked jobs she hated to put her in with tutors and extra school activities. Putting massive financial strain on their marriage as the Husband is dedicated to working in daylaborer type fields only as this is where he feels comfortable.

While this Mother used her stay at home Mother to provide free daycare to herself, she has made it clear she will not be doing the same (she doesn't want to deal with children). The daughter who loves children, has been told to get a degree in child education so she can work in a daycare. Ten grand for an associates so she can make ten bucks an hour in a daycare taking care of other peoples children.

The Mother was recently approached by a young man with intentions on marrying the daughter. He was rebuffed and told to not even speak to her about it for at least three years and that children should not be considered for several years past this.

The daughter is currently cute, but obese and getting worse.

Let me guess. A future in debt to work at a misearable daycares and not only will she lose her one chance with a man who would like to marry her, but she can now look forward to either not getting married (as her looks are at their peak right now, unless she gets very serious about fitness..but she will still age) at all or getting into "relationships" where she will be in debt, in a horrible job AND have to pay for daycare for her children.

Here Mother BRAGS about how she has set her child on this path.

It was all I could do to not punch her in the face.

And this is all the most pleasant things I can tell you about her.

Women have become a horror and they are blinded to it.

Stickwick said...

See? This is why Puritans are no fun.

They may be no fun, but they are responsible for the pinnacle of Western civilization.

SarahsDaughter said...

Angel,
As much as what people say about Facebook is true, part of why I use it is as a way to get information to our young nieces, nephews, and cousins without their parents having a say about it. I link this site often, VP, Dalrock etc. Of course I have no control whether they are reading or not but I do find it important to be the one voice of reason in the sea of feminism that is our extended family.
Is there any way for you to communicate with this young woman and offer her a different perspective to the logically incoherent path her mother has set her on?

JohnR said...

Angel: Should have punched her in the face.

If she does get married, her grandchildren will hate and fear her.

Angel said...

SD, great point! I think things were coming to a head because she was foaming at the mouth jealous of me. I am a Homeschooler and Homemaker and my children are beautiful, intelligent and well mannered. My Husband and I were married at 18 with nothing and have, with God's blessing, built something together. I have lost ALL my friends and many family members who are women over this. They come over and you can see it, they need to attack and they just won't stop.

Their problem not mine.

JohnR...you have no idea how hard it was not too LOL.

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