Alpha Mail: Of Beatrice and breaking the frame

Indyguy asks why it is a DLV to acquiesce to female interrogation:

Is it really playing to her frame if you're going to give her answers that kick her teeth in anyway? I cannot stand bickering with liberal idiots or most women because they skip from one topic to another so fast and never focus. It's like they have a laundry list of idiotic positions they hold and want to make sure you're on the wrong side of every single one.

The short answer is yes, it is playing to a woman's frame to sit there and allow yourself to be subjected to her questioning regardless of how radical, mind-blowing, and astonishingly cool your witty answers are. Here is a general hint. If you are trying to address a quantitative issue with a qualitative solution, you are probably attempting to rationalize your BETA inclinations.

To see how broadly this principle applies, take Yohami's hilarious summary of the omega approach. "You´re so beautiful. I´ll never be with you. I wrote you a poem. You will find about it when Im dead." That's so obviously omega that it's funny. Now, consider a certain committer of poetry named Dante, who was famously enamored of a particular young woman.

I’ son Beatrice che ti faccio andare;
vegno del loco ove tornar disio;
amor mi mosse, che mi fa parlare.

Dante saw Beatrice twice in nine years, then wrote La Vita Nuova and Divina Commedia, two of the greatest works of literature in the history of Man. Granted, in this particular instance the consequences were glorious, but even with such historical results it is still the very phenomenon that Yohami was describing. The superlative quality of the poetry doesn't change the fact that Dante was writing reams of love poetry for a woman who would never appreciate either it or him.(1)

Now, to return to the subject of female interrogation, the interrogation test is not a qualitative one concerning what answers are provided by the man, but rather, a quantitative one concerning his willingness to submit to questioning. It's binary. If you answered the questions, then you failed.

Note to gamma aspies: this doesn't mean you can't ever answer a woman's question. If a woman asks you what time it is, tell her the bloody time. The sort of interrogation being discussed here is the very common one in which a woman appears to be expressing interest in a man by asking him all sorts of questions concerning politics, ideology, and personal inclinations in an attempt to disqualify him. Most men read this, incorrectly, as an indicator of genuine sexual interest and happily disgorge everything about themselves, their beliefs, their hopes, and their dreams, then wonder what went wrong as the woman extricates herself from their presence.

In the discussion that ensued in the comments, Indyguy subsequently admitted that he has a strong desire to explain himself. He wrote:

I do want to explain myself, in order to have someone better understand concepts that they currently do not. Or at the very least, shake the foundations of their "thoughts".

But he is not, as JCclimber reminded him, the Reality Police. It is not his job to be sure everyone is in touch with reality and the Truth. It is no man's responsibility. Notice how Indyguy's thoughts are all relative and anticipatory. They are deeply concerned with what a hypothetical woman might think, both of him and of whatever the issue at hand might be. This is downright anti-ALPHA thinking and it should be no surprise to anyone with any consciousness of Game that it manifests in the form of behavior that women find unattractive. Deltas explain themselves. Gammas lecture women about why they are wrong. Alphas justify their actions after the fact, if necessary.

Note that I am not criticizing Indyguy here in any way. I merely intend to show how complicated human behavioral patterns are and how difficult it is for us to read our own. Sometimes, even when we think we are displaying high value, we are doing precisely the opposite. Therefore, when in doubt, consider the consequences. If women consistently find your actions in a certain scenario to be a turn-off, this is an indication of counterproductive BETA behavior.

(1) To be fair to Beatrice, she met Dante when she was only eight and died at 24, five years before Dante published the first collection of poems inspired by her. In fact, the only thing we know of their relationship speaks well of her, as she greeted Dante in the street, which greeting inspired the famous sonnet "A ciascun´alma presa" or "To Every Captive Soul".

Even so, worthy though she may have been, she remains what must be considered the ultimate example of pedestalization.

To every captive soul and gentle heart
into whose sight this present speech may come,
so that they might write its meaning for me,
greetings, in their lord’s name, who is Love.
Already a third of the hours were almost past
of the time when all the stars were shining,
when Amor suddenly appeared to me
whose memory fills me with terror.
Joyfully Amor seemed to me to hold
my heart in his hand, and held in his arms
my lady wrapped in a cloth sleeping.
Then he woke her, and that burning heart
he fed reverently to her, she fearing,
afterwards he went not to be seen weeping.

All of which is to say she had him at hello.