Monday, April 6, 2015

Hergomous, hogamous

I believe I was among the first, if not the first, to warn of the inevitable problem facing college-educated women now that more women than men attend university. The more intelligent a woman is, the higher a woman rises, the less likely she is to find a man willing to marry her:
A study conducted with 121 British participants reported findings that females with high intelligence in male/female relationships were seen as problematic. Their intelligence were predicted to cause problems in the relationships. Whereas, high intelligence in the male partner was not seen as problematic, but desirable.

These cultural stereotypes and gender biases are inhibiting women from being seen as equals. Rational and educated women are being ignored and chastised for their intelligence.

Those women who teach you, show you and help you grow are being picked over, combed through and dumped for girls with shirts that show a little too much skin and platform heels.

Of course there are plenty of women out there with boyfriends who are intelligent. This is not to come at women with boyfriends, but to assuage that nagging, pestering pain all intelligent women feel as men continually take them out to dinner, have a great time then decide they’re not worth the work....

The number of college-educated women now outweighs the number of college-educated men, which in turn has diminished options in the dating pool. Men aren’t ready to accept being second in the bread-winning competition and this is causing women to either settle or stay single.
It shouldn't really be that difficult for women to understand. Women are hypergamous and men are hypogamous. It's neither right nor wrong, it's neither good nor bad, it simply is.

Hergomous, hogamous, men are hypogamous
Hogamous, Hergomous, women are hypergamous

My wife has a high IQ. I have an extremely high IQ. We both like it that way. The hypothetical woman with an IQ as high as mine is out of luck. She can either marry down, which women hate to do, or compete for a small pool of men that has been reduced by one.

Most likely, she'll remain alone, and fail to pass on her very high-IQ genes, which is precisely why our current social order is dysgenic. But female hypergamy is every bit as much to blame as "male insecurity" or "men feeling threatened", which are all just insufficiently educated ways of saying "hypogamy".


66 comments:

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Quite. I prefer dim hot chicks myself.

Mr.MantraMan said...

My first take on articles like this are that they are white SJW problems not really discussed or cared about outside of that tiny demographic. Then again one of the first negative comments towards her was made by someone with a black females profile pic. And I'll stand with the premise that the white SJW crowd has no bench support, and they are prone to fouling out, so we should take heart.

Earl Thomas said...

I doubt it's their intelligence alone that is holding them back. They probably think they are so intelligent they can lord it over the men they are with (it isn't about being equals) and their bad attitude drives them away.

Soga said...

Indeed, and nothing gets a smart woman hotter for you than intellectually spanking her.

cailcorishev said...

Yes, I don't know if I'd find a woman with my IQ attractive, because I've never met one. But generally, the biggest problem with college-educated women is that they're "educated," and they've heard nonsense like "those women who teach you, show you and help you grow" about themselves all their lives, so their sense of their own intelligence and importance is vastly overgrown. They have the same problem as a male midwit, but supercharged by a Perfect Princess complex.

Earl Thomas said...

"those women who teach you, show you and help you grow"

Well they have a woman's studies degree so they obviously know how the world works.

Master Doh-San said...

Don't confuse education for intelligence. Just because she graduated from college doesn't mean that she's intelligent. There are plenty of highly educated idiots around.

pdwalker said...

Yes, I don't know if I'd find a woman with my IQ attractive, because I've never met one

I think I would, but again, I've never met one. I would liked to, though.

I've met some that came within the same ballpark though. That was nice.

Gunnar von Cowtown said...

It all makes perfect sense when translated, "Those women who constantly shit-test you, second guess you, and attempt to one-up you are being picked over, combed through and dumped for girls with shirts that show a little too much skin and platform heels."

Yup.

Earl Thomas said...

Just because she can regurgitate what a professor said doesn't mean she has intelligence.

However there are some intelligent women out there...such as the ones who embrace their femininity. That's an intelligent woman.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

This is attraction 101. Women desire strong men and that strength is not necessarily physical. They don't want a Homer Simpson running the household.

Doom said...

I can't quite agree. For men, the intent is to have a wife that is containable, controllable. That is a practicality to marriage and family. Women are looking for security. Surrendering much to and for it, but only accounting to self. That it happens to help the family is only incidental to their greed. So, yes, if blame is to be had, it goes to women. I just don't care to blame, so long as it works for me and a family, should I end up going that way. But I'm not going to lie if it comes right down to it. Shove their nose in their dirt if they try to put that on us, I say. Then again, I never was good at going along to get along, and for some, you can't split the difference and earn a penny, forget the pound. Women are the basis, or at least model for, SJW thinking. Not an inch to be offered.

Random Namington said...

Women with high IQs simply aren't as common as men for the same reason women with low IQs are rare. They didn't have to take as much risk to propagate their genes and as such their bell curve is much narrower than that of men's even though the average IQ is the same. This is why most particle physicists and polymaths are men as are most violent criminals and mental-cases. The same can be said of morality for this very reason.

It's quite alarming really and comes across as rather dysgenic that higher IQ women are less likely to propagate their genes... although education really shouldn't be to blame. Heck, it's the solution to overpopulation and must be implemented in the developing world if we as a species expect to survive sustainably. The distant future may look very Orwellian if we continue on a self-destructive path (which we probably won't).

Matt said...

It doesnt help that yhe more intelligent a woman is, the more insufferable

Viking Gamer said...

It is not the intelligence as such that is off putting. It is the resource draining credential fetish and the obsession to career status over a genuine vocation to motherhood.

Viking Gamer said...

It is not the intelligence as such that is off putting. It is the resource draining credential fetish and the obsession to career status over a genuine vocation to motherhood.

grendel said...

"These women who teach you, show you, and help you grow."

Sheeit, by the time my Mom and my teachers got done doing those things to me good and hard for many years I knew better than to marry it.

There was a girl at my old church that got good and old while many other girls were wifed up. The narrative was that she was too smart, there was no man present smart enough to lead her. The reality was that there were plenty of homegrown and imported +2-3sd male brains in the group, but that girl looked like a hog-nosed snake had eaten a mule. I think they finally got her married off but I don't know what they had to pay the guy.

Most of these "Intelligent" women are no great lights, they're just overeducated and overentitled, and overindebted. Who needs that in a wife?

agalltyr said...

I'm glad you pointed out that you and your wife both have reasonably high IQs. So, there's no problem with women being educated as long as men are educated too.

The problem the quoted article seems to point out is a lack of morality. Those sluts who show skin to garner male attention should not be in the dating pool at all. They are trash, and they are the ones causing the imbalance.

Don't shame the smart girls. Shame the sluts, and encourage men to be smarter. Then we can all evolve both intellectually and spiritually.

jay c said...

My wife is more educated than I am (or at least she has more letters), but she believes that I know more about more stuff. She likes it that way.

My wife's measured IQ is 10 points higher than mine, but she believes that I'm smarter. She likes that too.

Sean Carnegie said...

I'm glad you pointed out that you and your wife both have reasonably high IQs. So, there's no problem with women being educated as long as men are educated too.

IQ != education

Mine's really high and I'm a HS graduate, nothing more.

aeolipera said...

Just realized that credentialism is just another form of narcissistic supply. If a person cares unduly about Hugos, they are probably rightward on the narc distribution.

agalltyr said...

Also, does it occur to you and your "alpha male" mentality that people could simply be different rather than competing with each other all the time? Sure, if I'm a computer geek and a girl is also a computer geek, I feel threatened if she knows more than me.

But let's say I'm the computer geek, and the girl is a physicist or a mechanical engineer. I frankly have very little interest in those fields, but I do think people in those fields are smarter than I am. Still, they sometimes lack the specific knowledge of computer systems to get their work done (and they don't always have time to gain intimate knowledge in multiple fields of study). So, we can help each other and each feel useful in accomplishing a shared goal, but there's no competition because our expertise is perpendicular rather than parallel.

Cataline Sergius said...

Generally correct however there are several aspects to Hypergamy and Hypogamy, beyond intelligence and education.

Consider the classic example. Elizabeth Bennet and MISTER Darcy. The low born Elizabeth is obviously much more intelligent than Darcy but finds him highly desirable due to his station. This is however an extreme example, I admit.

Still worth noting, just for big picture reference.



Joshua_D said...

This reminds me of those articles I see here and there such as "8 Reasons Why You Should Marry The Complicated Girl" and "Why Complicated Women Are Hard To Love, But Worth The Trouble" and "How to Love a Strong & Complicated Woman." Of all the things a man wants in a women, strong, complicated, and smart are usually not among them.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

There doesn't seem to be any sense in sending young women to universities when so few of them have mastered traditional skills such as cooking, housekeeping, laundry, and raising children. Hell, even making the bloody bed seems beyond most of them. So forget college. Send our young women to finishing school!

liberranter said...

I doubt it's their intelligence alone that is holding them back. They probably think they are so intelligent they can lord it over the men they are with (it isn't about being equals) and their bad attitude drives them away.

THIS.

No self-respecting man wants to spend the rest of his life shackled to a domineering bitch, no matter how "intelligent" she is (and, as Earl implies, it isn't their intelligence that's the problem; it's her "education," er, indoctrination and her attitude which is a direct result of it).

The good news for such women is that there is a silver lining to the dark cloud: there are still plenty of men without self-respect out there, thirsty and desperate men who will gladly wife them up. The bad news for such wimmenz is that they'll quickly lose what little respect they might have ever had for such men (which is probably none, as most of these women are "settling" anyway) and will remain as miserable as they've always been.

Gunnar von Cowtown said...

agalltyr sez... "Also, does it occur to you and your "alpha male" mentality that people could simply be different rather than competing with each other all the time?"

That's precisely the point. After competing against men all day, who in his right mind wants to come home to another competitor?

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I know the type well. Loud, pushy, preppy, short-haired women with degrees from Seven Sisters colleges who think they're fuckin geniuses. Invariably they're the ones who leave their husbands to pursue lesbian affairs or Eat Pray Slut their way across Europe.

cailcorishev said...

While attitude is a lot of it, I think Vox's original point about relative IQ is true too. I kinda enjoy it when I'm talking to a woman and she thinks of something faster than I do, especially if she beats me to the punch on a joke or some banter. It gets my attention, like, "Whoa, this one might be able to keep up and make me raise my game a little." But that's like a spice: great in small doses, but not something you want dumped on every meal. I suspect I wouldn't want a woman who did that to me all the time, no matter how humble and nice she was about it -- and she wouldn't want that either. A woman needs to look up to her man. If she's smart, she probably thinks intelligence and knowledge are important, so she's going to need him to be smarter and more knowledgeable, just as tall women are often more insistent on having a taller man than short women are.

Bobo said...

My wife is a 2 SD Cement Engineer. It was like breaking an inbred mustang, but I converted her into a Christian homeschooling stay at home mom of 3.
As I tell the young men I meet, " What's good for me ain't necessarily good for the weak minded."
Find a young sweet hot simple girl who thinks you're a demi-god.

Bobo said...

Chemical...

valiance said...

1. as randomnamington mentioned, there's about 2 men for every 1 woman above 130 IQ. see: http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SexDifferences.aspx

2. the dysgenic trend you talk about may have stopped or even reversed itself. See: https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/idiocracy-can-wait/ and http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2014/10/holding-line-and-even-turning-tide.html

Mr.MantraMan said...

One of the posters at Sailers' blog wrote of his time as a contract prof at a top Ivy. During one of the whites gone wild on campus scares he wrote about the football team which is nearly all white and how much better students both intellectually and behavior wise then the girls were in class. Girls were in the PC herd and viciously so and the young men actually had to be protected by the administrators from being set up for discipline by such "smart" creatures.

Joshua_D said...

Btw, did y'all read the entire article? It's a sad commentary on the state of our society. The first sentence is bad enough, and it just gets worse and worse.

Cadders said...

This is really just the male side of the hypergamy equation. Men aren't 'intimidated' by 'smart' women, they are repulsed by them. Men find higher IQ women romantically repulsive in the same way that women find weak men romantically repulsive. This is morally neutral - it is an instinctive, natural reaction; nature knows that such pairings are unlikely to persist and so works to stop them forming.

Vincent Castrillo said...

Indeed it is very dysgenic, but can easily be remedied. For instance, smart, high IQ are not a modern aberration; created by some magic of more education and expansion of opportunities. They have always existed. The difference is that an intelligent woman in times past was more demure and far less "uppity" if you will. It was seen as a neat trick, but trivial in the scope of abilities the female needed. Sure if her husband was intelligent, they could share a more intellectual bond, but it was merely a nifty stroke of luck in one's larger makeup of character.

The intelligent woman of days past would know her proper place: that of behind the scenes advisor and confidant to her man. A teacher of her many children. A symbol of familial tranquility and Godly order. But not someone "of the world". As a matter of fact, smarter women were less involved in the public world than their dumber sisters, by far. This was very positive for the West and Britain in particular up until WWII.

Men don't dislike intelligence. They dislike having another masculine entity t compete with in their homes. They dislike having to constantly prove themselves to their wives and kids. Being second guessed or brow beaten is not the sole purview of the smart woman household, but it's hard to find a smart woman household where this does not occur. Men instinctively know this and dismiss it immediately in their dating lives.

Women if you want your cake and eat it too, simply marry early, have a family and then convince your husband to let you join the world with your big brain later in life for more family money etc. Sure there are still inherent problems with this, but it is far better than the alternative.

liberranter said...

That's precisely the point. After competing against men all day, who in his right mind wants to come home to another competitor?

Variations of this question have been posted by men all over the feminista blogosphere for quite a while. I have yet to see any woman answer it, let alone in an honest and forthright manner.

Unknown said...

Dude, M. Meade discussed this in the fourties. John Townsend at Syracuse was researching this issue in the early nineties, among others. Simply, it is a universal that women want men they respect... Respect being more successful than they are.... whether it is gathering scalps or degrees. It is innate.

Trust said...

" Men aren’t ready to accept being second in the bread-winning competition and this is causing women to either settle or stay single."

No, plenty of men are willing to let the women earn the money. This is what pimps to. It is the women who don't want me to be "in second" to breadwinning. Women want their men ti make more so toe excesses flow to then instead of away from them.

You always know what women are thinking by what they accuse men of.

Trust said...

It's easier for women to paint men as unwilling than it is to admit they are rejecting men who are everything they say they want.

D. Lane said...

Btw, did y'all read the entire article? It's a sad commentary on the state of our society. The first sentence is bad enough, and it just gets worse and worse.

I cringed at the opener. It's amusingly ironic that a strong and intelligent woman would lead such a piece with the most vain and self-indulgent of struggles.

Earl Thomas said...

'It's amusingly ironic that a strong and intelligent woman would lead such a piece with the most vain and self-indulgent of struggles.'

When it comes to most strong and intelligent women that's the only topic they resort too because they have plenty of 'intelligence' on that front.

papabear said...

"Consider the classic example. Elizabeth Bennet and MISTER Darcy. The low born Elizabeth is obviously much more intelligent than Darcy but finds him highly desirable due to his station. "

Obviously? I don't think that is the case.

S1AL said...

Darcy was more practical and reserved, not less intelligent (though perhaps less witty).

Another example would be Taming of the Shrew. Cat is clearly a very intelligent and forceful individual, but her husband proved to be even more intelligent and forceful - something her father never managed.

Dexter said...

Elizabeth Bennet wasn't "low born". As she explained to the old battleaxe Lady Catherine, she was a gentleman's daughter and thus equal to Darcy, a gentleman.

And she initally found Darcy insufferable due to his arrogance.

But then she saw his palatial estate and got over it...

D. Lane said...

When it comes to most strong and intelligent women that's the only topic they resort too because they have plenty of 'intelligence' on that front.

I've never met a sexually intelligent woman who complained about not being able to get off. Credentialed fornicators on the other hand...

Hammerli280 said...

I think most intelligent men have a floor for female intelligence. Miss Hot-but-Dumb may be fine for a date, but she's going to be frustrating as wife material. No intelligent man wants his home life to be a stupidity comedy.

On the other hand, there are intelligent women, arrogant women, and women with delusions of intelligence. The first group is, sadly, badly outnumbered.

Eric said...

If you read the article very carefully you won't find much support for the headline. She can only get there from here by assuming women who spend more time in college are more intelligent.

Personally I don't see the correlation, since most of the women I know who got advanced degrees got them in not-super-rigorous subjects like psychology and sociology, and that's if you discount the obvious frauds like degrees in angry studies.

This is probably pretty close to explaining things:

In an article by “The Wire,” financial reporter, John Carney, gives one explanation for this phenomenon, deducing, “successful men date less successful women not because they want ‘women to be dumb’ but rather because they want ‘someone who prioritizes their life in a way that’s compatible with how you prioritize yours.’”

Basically, they want someone who isn’t ever going to let her career come before making dinner and pleasing them first.


Though I might have worded it differently. A woman who neglects your personal needs and spends all her time and effort at work isn't a wife. She's a business partner.

Jack Amok said...

A smart woman doesn't have a problem as long as she's also pretty and isn't a bitch. Same way that a bald guy doesn't have a problem if he's also rich and not a wimp.

Robert What? said...

It is important, however, to mate with a woman who haa something upstairs because boys inherit a lot of their intelligence from their mother. An intelligent man and a stupid women can still have intelligent daughters, but their sons will likely be stupid.

Corvinus said...

It is important, however, to mate with a woman who haa something upstairs because boys inherit a lot of their intelligence from their mother. An intelligent man and a stupid women can still have intelligent daughters, but their sons will likely be stupid.

OTOH, I've run into quite a few of what I call "pseudo-bimbos", i.e., bimbos that actually do seem to have a high IQ. For example, if she acts charmingly silly and dumb, but also manages to get As and Bs in difficult classes.

ray said...

Paul, addressing females generally via Eve --


'but she shall be saved through her child-bearing, if they continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety.'



For the vast majority of females, it is responsible motherhood (forcing her to attend to others) that literally completes her salvation of soul. It's observable too -- the grandmothers of my generation were fairly content people. Like obedience to her husband, woman comes to fullness in this world through the spiritual, psychological, and physical efforts and joys of bearing and raising children. There are exceptions, but few by percentile.

Paul is very direct in One Timothy about what kind of 'gender relations' please God. Churches that teach anything else, or water-down this apostle's instructions, are false.

Corvinus said...

@ray

There seems to be something to that. It seems that women tend to go completely batsh!t if they remain childless into their 30s.

Unknown said...

"It is important, however, to mate with a woman who has something upstairs because boys inherit a lot of their intelligence from their mother."

1+++ on this! Intelligent women, like intelligent men need to drop the arrogance and condescencion they too often display. My spouse was the lesser-degreed (educated) of all women I dated, but she was very intelligent and raised three fine, intelligent offspring, two of whom are young men whose math abilities far exceed my own.

Her roommate in college was a top 5%-er in IQ, but although pretty, as insecure and arrogant about her intelligence as one could find. Fortunately, she did not reproduce.

APL said...

Dexter: "But then she saw his palatial estate and got over it..."

Ha ha ha!

alexandra starbuck said...

some commenters wrote that boys inherit their intelligence from their mothers while girls do not have this "dependency".
where does that come from? to me it doesn't seem very logical. it sounds more like the usual, erroneous, feminist propagated "common knowledge" similar to the widely believed but false "testosterone makes one more violent" statement.

cailcorishev said...

some commenters wrote that boys inherit their intelligence from their mothers

That seems to be cited increasingly often lately, but I think it has to be vastly overstated. Intelligence is too complex a thing to say that you "get it" from one parent, like eye color. There are bound to be many genes that contribute to overall IQ and its various components as well as g. There's no reason to think you'd get all those on one chromosome.

It's more likely that there's a stronger correlation between mother/son IQ than father/son IQ. But it's not like a 150-IQ man mating with a 100-IQ woman is fated to have 100-IQ sons. They'll probably average somewhere a bit below 125, maybe a little lower than a 150-IQ woman and a 100-IQ man would have, but not drastically so. Besides, while IQ follows predictable patterns in groups, there are wide variations within single families. My three siblings and I span at least 40 IQ points, and probably score both higher and lower than both of our parents, so how's that work out?

If a high-IQ man finds a lower-IQ woman attractive, enjoys her company despite the fact that she can't discuss quadratic equations with him, and thinks she'd be a nurturing mother, I hope he wouldn't pass her up because he's afraid she won't bear him smart enough sons. That part of it's way too unpredictable to make a dealbreaker.

S1AL said...

Cailcorishev - If a bunch of the genes (since there appear to be dozens if not hundreds) are keyed specifically to the X-chrom, then it would readily explain the odd discrepancy.

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Jenna said...

This article and its threads are so poorly written that even a foreigner has the empathy to rewrite this custom essay for free.

I am no judge of my own intelligence, but I have a high IQ and am certainly well educated - at least well educated enough to know that a person's intelligence is neither a prerequisite for my respect nor a measure of their worth. As a "hard" scientist and childless woman embarking on my thirties I find that men young and old are intimidated by my intelligence, common sense, and practical application of both.

Dear "inferior men":
What the bjesus is that supposed to mean anyway? Sounds like garbage imposed on you by "the patriarchy" or some other nameless fool who doesn't understand the inherent value of life. It is your job to intimidate me right back! Intimidate me with your humor, good manners, silly dance moves, and what-have-yous. Most importantly, intimidate me with your compassion. Show me what separates us humans from the beasts. Any man who can help me to grow in love and compassion is inferior to no one and tenfold more intelligent than the lot of you combined make yourselves out to be.

On a side note, men of your opinions are what drive your wives and mothers to abuse pain pills and women like me to keep the abortion clinic on speed dial. It's by the grace of God (a.k.a. my extra X chromosome) that I have the opportunity deepen your understanding, teach your children, and breed you out all at once. Until then, I'll be praying for you.

Jenna said...

This article and its threads are so poorly written that even a foreigner has the empathy to rewrite this custom essay for free.

I am no judge of my own intelligence, but I have a high IQ and am certainly well educated - at least well educated enough to know that a person's intelligence is neither a prerequisite for my respect nor a measure of their worth. As a "hard" scientist and childless woman embarking on my thirties I find that men young and old are intimidated by my intelligence, common sense, and practical application of both.

Dear "inferior men":
What the bjesus is that supposed to mean anyway? Sounds like garbage imposed on you by "the patriarchy" or some other nameless fool who doesn't understand the inherent value of life. It is your job to intimidate me right back! Intimidate me with your humor, good manners, silly dance moves, and what-have-yous. Most importantly, intimidate me with your compassion. Show me what separates us humans from the beasts. Any man who can help me to grow in love and compassion is inferior to no one and tenfold more intelligent than the lot of you combined make yourselves out to be.

On a side note, men of your opinions are what drive your wives and mothers to abuse pain pills and women like me to keep the abortion clinic on speed dial. It's by the grace of God (a.k.a. my extra X chromosome) that I have the opportunity deepen your understanding, teach your children, and breed you out all at once. Until then, I'll be praying for you.

Cail Corishev said...

I find that men young and old are intimidated by my intelligence

No they're not. They're turned off by it -- more specifically, they're turned off by your attitude about it. With your high intelligence, you should have been able to make that distinction.

Until then, I'll be praying for you.

Unlikely, but that's probably for the best, considering whom someone with "the abortion clinic on speed dial" is liable to be praying to.

Jenna said...

Cail,

Respectfully, you're almost right. I should and do make the distinction. Not all men find strong minds alluring, but most secure men do. Said secure men may not like certain women's attitudes about their intelligence, just as they wouldn't enjoy the company of an arrogant, condescending man.

I myself don't like many people's attitudes regarding their intelligence, women and men included. It seems that gender is not the issue. Unless you yourself are perfectly comfortable and turned on by being intellectually dominated by a holier-than-thou type of man (which is unlikely, but admirable if so), you're holding women to a double standard here. No one likes a jerk irrespective of their gender.

With regards to my attitude about my own intelligence I take one stance: I am grateful for the opportunity of a good education and I intend to use it along with my talents to build a safer environment. Respectfully again, you know little if anything about how I embody that stance in my daily life - how could you? I certainly don't claim to know you or how you live based on a blog response.

What you do know is that my opinions differ from yours. Considering that we're different individuals that doesn't come as a surprise to me. I can't speculate, but if differences in opinion are what turns you off I suspect that almost no one save yourself can completely turn you on. Again, we differ.

Differences in opinion are a huge turn on for me - maybe because I don't feel as if I'm competing with or comparing myself to another person. They're what makes the world such an amazing, dynamic place! That being said, you should certainly email me if you're ever in Hell. Michigan, of course.

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