Sunday, March 15, 2015

Romance is harassment

This is probably not the way to go about reducing the number of men who are unwilling or unable to get married:
YouTube blogger and sexual educator Dr. Lindsey Doe, who blogs under the name “Doe Eyes,” recently posted a video titled “Dear Boy Who Likes My Daughter,” speaking directly to the boy (whom she doesn’t name). She said, “Dear boy who likes my daughter. I don’t like how you treat [my daughter.] Are you confused? You probably picked up messages from society about how when you want something, you have to ‘try harder, go at it, do whatever you can to get it. Don’t give up!’ Maybe it’s for this reason that you repeatedly ask my daughter out. In the halls, on the bus, and you write her poems.”

Doe, a former professor at the University of Montana in Missoula, may sound harsh at first, but she clarifies, explaining that if a girl says “I don’t know” in response to a boy’s advances, he should give her space to think about it. If a young woman’s response is “maybe,” the man could ask her to explain her uncertainty. If she wants the boy to ask her again later, he should do so later. Anything else, she dubs “harassment.”
The amusing thing is that when you immediately NEXT a girl because she says "I don't know" or "maybe", women get even angrier. It's impossible to take female advice seriously because so much of it is contradictory. The lesson, as always, is to ignore it.

By all means, give a woman who is not enthusiastic about you space. Give her permanent space and find another one who is. There are plenty of girls on the girl tree, and they make more all the time.

The reality, of course, is that this kid is probably a low delta and he's simply doing as he's been taught by everyone. This mother is an idiot, but she may be his first introduction to Red Pill thinking.

46 comments:

grendel said...

This smells about as based in reality as #illridewithyou.

Ghost said...

I saw this on Red Eye, and they accurately dubbed her "Crazy Eyes." One of the female panelists began to object, and Andy Levy said, "you can see the white all the way around. That's crazy eyes. That's not a cutie, that's a psycho." Probably not verbatim.

Earl Thomas said...

One of the simplest things when it comes to women and asking them out.

Anything other than yes equals no.

That wipes out 'I don't know', 'ask me again later', 'I'll think about it', et. al.

Jack Amok said...

Writes her poetry? Gah. No wonder the crazy-eyed mom freaked out. What mother would want to take the chance of having someone who writes poetry to women be the father of her grandkids?

But, from the linked article:

...while there’s nothing inherently wrong with Doe’s message, airing a private issue online may cause more harm than intended...

Ah. The wonders of youtube for the attention whore. You can turn your private drama into public theatrics. Ol' Doe Eye get a two-fer and checks of hypergamy and solipsism in one video.

Cluttermonkey said...

Stoking female narcissism and entitlement should probably count as harassment of other non-apex men.

I tend to believe in doing the exact opposite of female advice, but I guess I found an exception to the rule.

James Beech said...

Roses are red
Violets are blue
I like your thighs
And what's in between, too

Dexter said...

A few years from now, the sequel...

Dear Tattooed Meth Freak Who Knocked Up My Daughter -- Go Away!
Dear Pathetic Poetry-Writing Nerd -- Please Come Back, Marry My Daughter, and Raise Another Man's Bastard Spawn

Cataline Sergius said...

Just watched the video.

Whoa, move on kid!

If she is anything like her mother, that is one barely contained bucket of demon crazy. You are missing a bullet here son. Don't circle back and try to catch it.There are many, many other fish in the sea and they don't have psychotic mothers that will track you down and write "Boy Pig" in your parent's lawn with bleach, when you finally dump her.

Corvinus said...

Vox: I wonder what percentage of men are in each group?

My guess at this point:
Delta 65%
Gamma 15%
Omega 7%
Beta 7%
Lambda 3%
Alpha 2%
Sigma 1%

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Not only a psycho, but a creep, too.

Just wait until it finally dawns on her daughter that her mom has been cock-blocking her on YouTube.

Russell Newquist said...

There are plenty of girls on the girl tree, and they make more all the time.

The younger models are better anyway.

Corvinus said...

Just wait until it finally dawns on her daughter that her mom has been cock-blocking her on YouTube.

Nah, the daughter was participating in the video too, just off-camera.

But it's another example of how women hate hate hate BETA males.

Earl Thomas said...

The video is just the tip of the iceberg with this 'Doctor'.

I don't know how old her daughter or the boy is...but that boy should thanks his lucky stars she rejected him.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Her Tweeter account:

https://twitter.com/elleteedee

SirThermite said...

There may be several recipes for culturing Onities, but the most common is probably the combination of the active, masculine values of working hard and never giving up...with the passive, feminine, pseudo-religious ideas of having just one "soul mate" and a long, drawn-out, eventually-irresistible romance. Such fiction might be useful AFTER marriage, which is basically a legal acknowledgement of terminal Oneitis ('ti death do us part) by both parties, but until that day the more active party (usually the male) stands the most to lose from premature affectation.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Nah, the daughter was participating in the video too, just off-camera.

Ah, well, in that case, I raise my glass of Malbec in a toast: may her little bitch of a daughter become impregnated by an urban thug(s) and give birth to numerous Dindus to enrich and provide vibrancy to the clueless conservative fools of Montana.

What a country.

Felix Bellator said...

Interestingly, Dr. Doe disabled comments on that video. Surprise, surprise. Though some have been posting comments on her other videos. Someone even requested Dr. Doe post a video on rape fantasies. That made the comments swirl.

Also, I really wonder if she really knows how her daughter responded to these advances? The daughter's input to the video sounded incredibly juvenile. How old are the kids involved in this?

Jack Amok said...

Whoa, move on kid!

If she is anything like her mother, that is one barely contained bucket of demon crazy. You are missing a bullet here son.


Indeed. The acorn doesn't fall far from the nut hatch.

Noah B said...

Setting aside the utter stupidity of this mother and reflecting on the behavior of what Vox calls a "low delta," I think a lot of what might be going on is that boys like this don't have the first clue about how to connect with a girl emotionally or physically. So they focus on girls who they see as unattainable. Meanwhile, there may be lots of other girls who show interest but 1) they don't know how to spot it and 2) they ignore those girls so they won't have to face the reality that they know nothing about how to relate to them. I think that's how it was for me in my early teenage years, at least.

mmaier2112 said...

Just fun, flip those sexes and think about the differences.

Ron said...

@Noah B

Thats's a great insight. What's most interesting is how obvious it is once someone points it out.

Tank said...

Ramzpaul links to Mom's video re: Blow Jobs.

Hmmmm.

Unknown said...

Go check out "Doe Eyes" You Tube channel and the entirety of her offerings. "Krazy" is as krazy does!!!

She does do a very decent description on correctly performing a blow job, so she's got that going for her. Pass that link along to your rookie GFs, guys. Its very helpful. I'd send it to my wife, but that would be a total waste of electrons!

hank.jim said...

"Romance is harrassment" isn't quite as bad as "Marriage is rape".

Next "Babies is murder".

Corvinus said...

Somewhere, Orwell sez, "I told you so."

Trust said...

This call of the day to Dr. Laura perfectly illustrates the common courtship and marriage plan by modern women:
http://mp3play.noxsolutions.com/drlaura/audio/calls/2015-02-24_c_Erin.mp3

This cliff notes is a woman dated a man for six years and gave him plenty of sex, and now that she's married to him he confessed that sex with him repulses her so much she can't breath. Confession came after the marital resources were codified, of course. She describes him a wonderful husband. Dr. L was accurate in saying pretending to get the ring was cruel, and that she wanted what he offered at any price *he* had to pay. Most mediators would defend her supposed rights and his obligations, ignoring the bait and switch.

If the dolt that VD posted this thread about thinks romance is harrassment, then consistency would dictate Erin committed fraud. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Eric said...

The younger models are better anyway.

I wonder about that. The younger ones are so steeped in feminism these days I'm not sure they're good for anything but sex.

Unknown said...

mmm

Unknown said...

All marriages are "bait & switch", compounded by fraud, for which the bride will bear or assume no responsibility.

Went to a male marriage counsellor, who put a very tough spotlight on the spouse's refusal to engage in regular sex and she denied that was part of her resposibilty in marriage and had nothing to do with the wedding vows. Vows had to do with all the benefits flowing in her direrction.

Just like every other woman!

Hammerli280 said...

Dr. Laura is arguably the Mother of Red Pill. Certainly Red Pill For Women.

Jack Amok said...

I wonder about that. The younger ones are so steeped in feminism these days I'm not sure they're good for anything but sex.

Hardly. What young women are steeped in, today, yesterday, tommorrow and always, is wanting to be appealling to exciting men. Be an exciting man who frowns on feminism and you'll have plenty of young women happy to talk about how horrible feminists are.

But if you're someone who writes them mushy poetry... you won't have any such influence.

SirThermite said...

What young women are steeped in, today, yesterday, tomorrow and always, is wanting to be appealing to exciting men.

Yes. And those here who have daughters or sisters who've watched the TV series might recall how L.M. Montgomery acknowledged the power of of Game in her third book of the 'Anne of Green Gables' series, published exactly 100 years ago in 1915 (behold the power of Google):

"It seems funny and horrible to think of Diana's being married," sighed Anne, hugging her knees and looking through the gap in the Haunted Wood to the light that was shining in Diana's room.

"I don't see what's horrible about it, when she's doing so well," said Mrs. Lynde emphatically. "Fred Wright has a fine farm and he is a model young man."

"He certainly isn't the wild, dashing, wicked, young man Diana once wanted to marry," smiled Anne. "Fred is extremely good."

"That's just what he ought to be. Would you want Diana to marry a wicked man? Or marry one yourself?"

"Oh, no. I wouldn't want to marry anybody who was wicked, but I think I'd like it if he COULD be wicked and WOULDN'T. Now, Fred is HOPELESSLY good."

"You'll have more sense some day, I hope," said Marilla.

Marilla spoke rather bitterly. She was grievously disappointed. She knew Anne had refused Gilbert Blythe.

Bob said...

Elliot Rodger reincarnated. Poor lad is going to be put off approaching girls.

Jack Amok said...

"Oh, no. I wouldn't want to marry anybody who was wicked, but I think I'd like it if he COULD be wicked and WOULDN'T. Now, Fred is HOPELESSLY good."

L.M. Montgomery and E. L. James. Same truth, different, shall we say, style of expressing it.

Remo said...

So what is the next step? Real life scenario: girl at work you I was interested in wasn't enthusiastic so I started ignoring her. For 4 weeks. We used to text everyday and I stopped after a second date really didn't go anywhere. Now she is visibly annoyed and/or distant whenever I deal with her which I must do occasionally for business. My solution has been too flirt with the girl sitting next to her (who is reciprocating and friendly towards me) and continue to behave as if I don't know or am unaware the first girl is annoyed. I have *not* said "whats wrong?" or even acknowledged that anything is amiss or has changed - although it has - she was a heck of lot more friendly before As she is a lost cause I don't really see that anything I do or say matters much but her constant barely veiled annoyance is starting to piss me off especially when I need to get some work done. I am also concerned that her attitude may poison the rest of the office herd and make work there more unpleasant than it needs to be.

MATT said...

Remo have you paid any attention these recent posts?? Don't mess with women you work with. Stop flirting with the woman she sits near. Now that youve already screwed yourself you need to eatablish that you are more valuable and will cause the least trouble. If she wants at any time she can say you make her uncomfortable and can enlist the girl you flirt with to make her jealous. Now there are potentially 2 women you work with who can screw you.

I speak from experience when I say you dont know your coworkers. They may laugh with you etc and you may effortlessly outperform them, but in the end many employers care more about status quo and lawsuits. The person who laughed at your joke is filing a complaint the next day.

Never get comfortable. Not even if you're friends with the boss. It means nothing.

Unknown said...

Remo,

Could you double down even more on your stupidity? It will be fun to read your next report as confirmation that women at work are more poisonous than even we cynics imagine and you're doing everything wrong, the right way, if you catch my drift. If I were you I'd be looking for a new job yesterday!

Earl Thomas said...

' I think a lot of what might be going on is that boys like this don't have the first clue about how to connect with a girl emotionally or physically.'

Personally I think it is the other way around. With so much corruption in women's heads today they don't have a clue how to connect to anyone emotionally or physcially. Their world is only in their heads.

How can a man connect to a woman if she doesn't even know her part in the connection process?

Trust said...

Dr. L may be the mother of the red pill, but.her books are eye opening. Most of her marriage success stories are women who realize their men are good men after 20 years of treating them like poop. Reassuring that they might come around when their looks and the man's erection have both sagged.

Remo said...

Its funny watching people assume I live and work in the U.S. and therefore run around terrified of H.R. I do NOT work in the U.S. If both these girls decided to complain about me to H.R. (do we even have that here?) the "boss" as our H.R. is referred too, would ask some simple questions like "What did he do?" and if it isn't something physical, provable, and witnessed the reaction will be to get over it. If she says shes uncomfortable she be told to leave as I make the place more money than she does. I work in Asia and walking around being an obsequious, weak, androgynous, meek little peon seems to be the way out the door here. The older ladies bend over backwards to help you if you compliment them on their looks - that's life abroad. I do remember cubicle hell back in the U.S. and I don't miss it.

MATT said...

Yeah how silly of us to not think you were somewhere in Asia..

SirThermite said...

...I make the place more money than she does. I work in Asia and walking around being an obsequious, weak, androgynous, meek little peon seems to be the way out the door here.

Cool story, Bro. Sounds like you're a regular Kublai Khan...when you're not busy flirting with co-workers in front of each other and pretending there's nothing between you, I bet you spit a mean txt game.

Remo said...

Well S.T. thanks for the advice. I do work in Asia and no I'm not Kubla K.

agalltyr said...

Wait. I thought focusing too much attention on one girl was putting her on a pedestal, which is "beta". You misogynists contradict yourselves too.

If the girl doesn't want you, you've got plenty of other girls, don't you? So why would you ever harass a girl??? I mean, you're such a cool, badass "alpha" that you don't even need her anyway, right?

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