Wednesday, March 18, 2015

10 signs of passive-aggressiveness

This are behaviors that tend to be indicative of low rank in the socio-sexual hierarchy. If you find that you tend to engage in them, it's important to note that you're not fooling anyone. People do notice these things and accordingly reach conclusions about you:
  1. Intentional avoiding responsibilities, or purposefully performing incompetently to display anger
  2. Procrastinating
  3. Resentfulness towards others
  4. Complaining about being feeling under-appreciated or cheated
  5. Sulky, pouty, and argumentative behavior towards authority figures
  6. Laying the blame on others
  7. Contradictory behavior (enthusiastically agreeing on a job but performing poorly on purpose)
  8. Displays of unexpressed anger or hostile attitude
  9. Intentional forgetfulness
  10. Inability to take constructive criticism
Now, obviously anyone can be forgetful or procrastinate. But this is about regular patterns of behavior. If you find yourself prone to behaving in this way, it's important to ask yourself why you are doing so.

Don't run from conflict. If you have an issue with someone, speak your piece directly and without fear. You have a right to your opinion and you have the right to have it taken seriously. That doesn't mean you're going to get your way, but then, passive-aggression isn't going to get it for you either.

41 comments:

D. Lane said...

Intentional avoiding responsibilities, or purposefully performing incompetently to display anger

I've never understood this. If you have low rank and are thus dissatisfied, it stands to reason that deliberately poor performance would only perpetuate both problems.

Most of the passive-aggressive playbook is intuitive, but I can't wrap my head around this one.

agalltyr said...

There's a paradox in the desire to please authority figures. I see that as a sign of weakness. It would be more masculine to think independently and believe in yourself (like an anarchist).

Also, defying authority figures is not passive-aggressive. It's just straight aggressive (and sometimes justified).

Don't think you can trick us into submitting to your will with these mind games, alpha male. I know you would like to rule the world, and you may be able to manipulate women because they are weak, but you cannot so easily manipulate the gamma males. Try to bite down on us, and you will shatter your teeth.

sigma1000 said...

you are glossing over a few things or perhaps I am misunderstanding - re: what you claim ALPHA does in reality does not hold up in reality.

For example ;

1. Intentional avoiding responsibilities, - ALPHA will do this all day long in many cases - although not all -- as he is happy to delegate responsibility to BETA and DELTA underlings and smoke cigar.

3. Resentfulness towards others - be careful here. See what ALPHA's reaction is when anyone does not give the ALPHA his "Due" socially - read: fall into his frame, or jump into his peanut gallery of sycophants - and see what his reaction is. More often than not, the ALPHA gets cranky like a baby, and resentful like someone took away his favorite cookie.

Socially ALPHA sees himself as the sun and the star, and if you not taking a shine to him like you are supposed to according to his script, he gets very resentful very fast

6. Laying the blame on others - Again ALPHA will do this all day long. ALPHA is where he is because he is, above all, practical, pragmatic and socially savvy. Why in the world would ALPHA take responsibility in a situation where it would mean losing power if he can shift the blame off to an innocent scapegoat? Rhetorical. This is also a Greene Law of Power for a reason - because it has been used by ALPHAS for centuries to get and maintain power

10. Inability to take constructive criticism - Again, all day long will an ALPHA get increasingly irritated with your so-called constructive criticism. Possibly if he is still "on the way up" in a career he will be willing to listen to an even higher power broker. But when the ALPHA has arrived and is on top in any social situation - he is not interested at all in any kind of criticism of who he is, or what he is doing. Certainly not if it is aired publicly in front of a crowd of underlings who will start questioning whether he is still "top dog"

What you seem to gloss over Vox in detailing the ALPHA is that ALPHA is not interested in the truth per se, but rather his version of the truth, what makes him look good. Hard work is valuable, but shortcuts by using other people to get his goal without hardwork, possibly even more valuable - he will do all day long.

ALPHA is not exactly this kind of Midwestern high school quarterback you portray that can take the truth on the chin, and will take on conflict head-on because he deals in truth, and wins on the merits. And this is why he gets the girl at the party

ALPHA wins on the merits Vox.... but you know very well that ALPHA also wins also through the sucker punch, through bending the rules while the other suckers are following them. ALPHA is full of biases that bias himself and welcomes such. This latter part is why he gets the girl and the status he has -- as much as he 'played by the rules and won on the merits'

ALPHA is best described as a Defense Attorney. He is charming, intelligent, has presence, a certain kind of gravitas. He will also usually very gladly "suppress the truth" when it means he or his client can win- indeed he sees that as his job. In other words ALPHA more aptly described as an erudite socially savvy scumbag

When you ask him, ALPHA will be truthful about this. "Look I know I'm a scumbag," as an ALPHA defense attorney recently said to me, with a grin.

Now ---- I do not spite the ALPHA any of this. What I am after is pragmatic advice for men of the manosphere. What we need is more truth and less fairy tales, so men can finally hear the truth and improve their lives. Yohami, Roissy and Tomassi, to name just three, are most powerful, as you are, when they are spitting the truth in no uncertain terms and not glossing over the good and the bad.

This is what men need to hear

Pillar Of Autumn said...

Don't those indicators describe 95% of Americans today?

JAY WILL said...

@sigma1000

I think most of what you outlined as alpha behaviour is gamma. People who have career rank, ie successful lawyers, are not necessarily alphas in their general behaviour. Does modern world help to mask a lot of these underlying traits/ranks? The suit, the polished language etc of the lawyer masking and mimicking his underlying rank. The real test of alpha is multiple environmental tests/changes. How many career driven types have fallen apart when radical changes happen? Or resort to opiates to manage stresses.

I may be wrong here, but being alpha doesn't have a lot to do with financial/career rank. A "lowly" tradesmen could have alpha traits, dominance over wife/family and yet not have much money to his name. It seems likely that alpha type behaviour would always lend itself towards wealth/power/influence but not always. Is David Cameron alpha?

Stephen Ward said...

@JAY WILL
Except that Vox is describing "Alpha" in the context of a socio-sexual hierarchy. Successful lawyers have more social rank than a tradesman. people w/ more money also have more social rank than people w/ less money. The lawyer is an Alpha in this context.

Talking about what makes a man a "real man" is a different discussion entirely.

Jack Amok said...

Sigma1000, your response indicates you should change your screen name to Gamma1000. It would take too long to do a full point-by-point rebuttal, so I'll just go over your first point about avoiding responsibilities and agree with Jay Will about the rest being mostly descriptions of Gamma behavior which you are projecting on to others.

Intentional avoiding responsibilities, - ALPHA will do this all day long in many cases - although not all -- as he is happy to delegate responsibility to BETA and DELTA underlings and smoke cigar.

An Alpha chooses what is and isn't important for himself. If someone else tries to assign him some particular responsibility, he will evaluate how that fits into his plans. if discharging that responsibility has enough advantage to be worth his time, he'll see it gets done as best he can. But if he thinks his time and energy will be better spent elsewhere, he'll ignore it.

As to delegating it and smoking a cigar, if he delegates it to some dutiful Beta, well, it still got done, didn't it? That's the important thing.

Trust said...

Socio/sexual rating has two components.

Hugh Hefner gets women because he is rich and famous. His wealth earns him sex with women who otherwise wouldn't find him sexually appealing. That is socio.

Unemployed parolees get sex from women because they give then tingled even though they are penniless social failures. That is sexual.

It is a good way to rank someone's overall success while accounting for the fact that men generally succeed for one or two reasons.

Jack Amok said...

Except that Vox is describing "Alpha" in the context of a socio-sexual hierarchy. Successful lawyers have more social rank than a tradesman. people w/ more money also have more social rank than people w/ less money. The lawyer is an Alpha in this context.

Stephen, Jay is absolutely correct. Social dominance isn't about money or even professional success. It's about how others relate to you. Marcus Mariotta has been a very successful college quarterback. Three bowl wins in three years as a starter, three bowl MVPs, a Heisman, got to a national champship...

But he may tumble in the NFL draft. The knock isn't really his arm, it's that he doesn't command a room when he walks into it. He might not be Alpha enough. It's the attitude.

Stephen Ward said...

@ Jack
In retrospect, that should have been obvious - the AF/BB distinction. If merit is not sufficient to give the attitude for an Alpha, then what is? Is Mariotta's problem that he doesn't think he's accomplished anything great/worth doing? Is he too humble? afraid his success will turn to dust?

cailcorishev said...

Sigma1000, your response indicates you should change your screen name to Gamma1000. It would take too long to do a full point-by-point rebuttal

This is why arguing with Gammas is so tiring, and almost always futile. They can twist anything into a rationalization for why the obvious winners are really losers and the Gamma is the true hero, it's just that no one knows it. You can't nail them down with logic because they simply won't see it, and when you bring the ridicule, they just yell "You're a doo-doo-head!" and run away. That's the best possible response you can hope for from a Gamma -- that he shuts up and goes away.

aeolipera said...

>Now, obviously anyone can be forgetful or procrastinate. But this is about regular patterns of behavior. If you find yourself prone to behaving in this way, it's important to ask yourself why you are doing so.

Omega caveat: when I can't remember my home address, people act like I'm being difficult on purpose. In spite of this, they continue to trust me with important/difficult tasks without oversight, so I conclude they are either doing it to keep me "in my place", or they are unconsciously polylogical.

The point being, my real motive only matters to me, whereas people respond to the behavior because that is what they can see.

aeolipera said...

Also, sigma1000 is correct. Male social hierarchy is about who can compel the tribe to do coordinated violence on other tribes, and the sexual hierarchy (female desire) conforms to this power dynamic. In the absence of objective violence displays, the difference between Alpha and Gamma depends mainly on the audience's perceptions.

Corvinus said...

Male social hierarchy is about who can compel the tribe to do coordinated violence on other tribes, and the sexual hierarchy (female desire) conforms to this power dynamic. In the absence of objective violence displays, the difference between Alpha and Gamma depends mainly on the audience's perceptions.

That doesn't seem correct. The telling difference between Alpha and Gamma is that the Gamma is a coward. For him, objective violence is always done from safety, where the enemy cannot retaliate. Or if he does, the Gamma cuts and runs.

Now it is true that Gammas often do end up running organizations, or even societies, that have degenerated, but if you'll notice: Gammas don't really wage coordinated violence well, if they do so at all -- unless they're being protected or doing so in a manner that doesn't get their own skins on the line, as with the Cultural Marxist SJWs and neocons that have taken over our own civilization.

Corvinus said...

1. Intentional avoiding responsibilities, - ALPHA will do this all day long in many cases - although not all -- as he is happy to delegate responsibility to BETA and DELTA underlings and smoke cigar.

If he delegates responsibilities to Beta and Delta underlings, that isn't the same as avoiding them completely. It's just letting other men do so more efficiently so as not to cut into his own time.

3. Resentfulness towards others - be careful here. See what ALPHA's reaction is when anyone does not give the ALPHA his "Due" socially - read: fall into his frame, or jump into his peanut gallery of sycophants - and see what his reaction is. More often than not, the ALPHA gets cranky like a baby, and resentful like someone took away his favorite cookie.

Socially ALPHA sees himself as the sun and the star, and if you not taking a shine to him like you are supposed to according to his script, he gets very resentful very fast


Actually, this is a Gamma trait that Gammas often ascribe to Alphas. Gammas often get into "Alpha" positions in degenerating societies. Vox may be able to better explain how Alphas react to other Alphas or Sigmas that don't acknowledge their social dominance, but I don't believe getting resentful like a little bitch is really part of the equation. My take is that the Alpha either decides that there's a potential rival to deal with, or may hold off if he doesn't think getting into a fight suits his own purposes (say, the other Alpha leads a group that has nothing to do with what he himself does).

6. Laying the blame on others - Again ALPHA will do this all day long. ALPHA is where he is because he is, above all, practical, pragmatic and socially savvy. Why in the world would ALPHA take responsibility in a situation where it would mean losing power if he can shift the blame off to an innocent scapegoat? Rhetorical. This is also a Greene Law of Power for a reason - because it has been used by ALPHAS for centuries to get and maintain power

Again, a Gamma trait that they ascribe to Alphas. He may quickly deal with the problem and at the most give a curt apology if it was really his fault. But if the Alpha is being attacked for something stupid, then yes indeed, he'll either ignore the blame entirely or do his best to shove it off on the accuser and otherwise make life miserable for him/her.

10. Inability to take constructive criticism - Again, all day long will an ALPHA get increasingly irritated with your so-called constructive criticism. Possibly if he is still "on the way up" in a career he will be willing to listen to an even higher power broker. But when the ALPHA has arrived and is on top in any social situation - he is not interested at all in any kind of criticism of who he is, or what he is doing. Certainly not if it is aired publicly in front of a crowd of underlings who will start questioning whether he is still "top dog"

Again, depends upon the nature of the "constructive criticism". If it's criticism of the Gamma sort, then again, he'll ignore it, or smack it down if the Gamma gets too mouthy. If it's valid advice, then he'll take it and appropriate it, claiming it was his own idea all along. After all, nobody can prove the Alpha wasn't already thinking of the problem himself in his own mind.

Vox said...

In the absence of objective violence displays, the difference between Alpha and Gamma depends mainly on the audience's perceptions.

Setting aside the intrinsic humor in saying that one's position in the social hierarchy depends mainly on the perception of the social circle, no.

The telling difference between Alpha and Gamma is that the Gamma is a coward.

Correct. The Alpha welcomes direct conflict and is readily willing and able to submit to a superior. The Gamma fears it and is unwilling and unable to submit even when conclusively beaten.

Corvinus said...

Quiz for the readership: Is the shoe salesman in this video a Gamma or a Sigma? Why?

Earl Thomas said...

'There's a paradox in the desire to please authority figures. I see that as a sign of weakness. It would be more masculine to think independently and believe in yourself (like an anarchist).'

Pleasing authority figures is a strength.

Robert What? said...

If that is the list, then other than serious procrastination, I can safely say I am not PA

Dave said...

@Corvinus Is the shoe salesman in this video a Gamma or a Sigma? Why?

He's what a Gamma TV writer would consider an Alpha they knew in High School that they are projecting onto. So many "zing!" word snipes at the fat women in the clip, yet he's getting none from his wife, he's a shoe salesman w/ no hopes out of his profession (hah hah, take THAT you meanie Alpha-bully-from-high-school!), & his attitude is defeated w/ enough smarmy ego to make a few laughs. How he handled/what he talked about w/ Ms. Blaub & high-fiving his wife at the end are very telling.

But to properly answer your first question - Gamma.

efishman412 said...

sigma100 is right on the money, hence the auto-denigration on display in response to him from the usual suspects. The problem is that doing the exact opposite of what the list enumerates will not win anybody any respect or admiration from others, least of all influence their behaviours. Yes, yes, I know, I know, Alphas don't give a crap about admiration from others (shut up you closet gamma is something I imagine someone writing in response), because by being at the top of the heap, they'll bring everybody to heel one way or another. Perhaps so, but it will always be in a limited and circumscribed way. Confined to his own tiny, and ultimately meaningless circle of influence. Never educing the societal changes so sorely needed in the West as a whole. Not the BS SJW crap, but real meaningful change that will reset priorities in the right direction. I mean, isn't one of the stated aims of this blog to save Western civilization?

Something doesn't square here. Following the advice in this post all but assures that the status quo of zombie economies, bankster tactics, and fiat currency devaluation madness continues unchecked and unchallenged until we all descend into a third world chaos. Respect authority? Seriously? That's the crux of the matter around which I believe all remaining nine items on the list revolve. It's exactly that behaviour which needs to be stamped out very quickly before it's too late. Where exactly is their authority derived from in the first place? No matter where you look, authority figures are consistently demonstrating themselves to be entirely incompetent, corrupt, feckless, and heedless in their remaking of the social fabric in their own repulsive image.

The last thing we need, as a civilization, in dealing with authority is the spouting of some glad-handing niceties as they ride past in their armoured APC's, oblivious to both the silent and vocal majority. The mistake here, as I see it, is that what is essentially a societal problem is internalized and miniaturized into being an individual one. Fairly destructive one at that and one that plays right into the hands of the extant security-surveillance-corporatist-military complexes. Corporatist in the bailout-happy-oligopolistic-anti-capitalist sense. Filling their britches at the thought of actually competing.

As is being witnessed with the recent spate of campus rape hysteria, any direct response from a single individual, proudly and confidently standing for what they believe (entitled to their opinion and unafraid to express it - alpha to the max) without the backing of the group, is liable to result in nothing but ruin to the individual in question.

It's kind of like what Mr. X told Jim Garrison in JFK: "Kennedy's directives were never really implemented due to bureaucratic resistance." That might seem as passive-aggressive on the face of it. In truth, however, a rather savvy and wise way for the group to tackle seemingly intractable problems.

Noah B said...

"Respect authority? Seriously?"

The jist of it is that you don't act like a little bitch by whining, pouting, and sulking. One can respect authority in a sense, understanding and acknowledging how and why it obtained its power, but still disagree with it, challenge it, and even overtly fight it.

Noah B said...

That's how I read it anyway.

aeolipera said...

@Corvinus, Vox,

Ah, sometimes I forget that my perspective is uncommon. Also, I abused the terminology. I'll try to illustrate the perspective issue first:

People who watched the Kennedy-Nixon debate on television thought Kennedy won. People who listened to it on the radio thought Nixon won. But a person with Asperger's who watched the debate on television would also have thought Nixon won, because they are only processing the literal, verbal information. (Because this is illustrative, let's pretend for a moment that alternative explanations for this don't exist, e.g. demographics of TV vs. radio.)

Now, the terminology misuse:

I understand that the original archetypes are diagnostic in nature, being an observed cluster of traits. I am trying to describe the basic dynamics that give rise to these clusters over time, which will tend to differ from the diagnosis quite a bit due to systemic and random confounds. So even though charismatic guys also tend to be strong and courageous, this is not absolutely necessary to complete the function that causes charisma and strength to run in a single bloodline. For instance, it may be obvious that men won't follow a coward. But I doubt Hitler would have amounted to much in the boxing ring. So maybe men will follow a coward 10% of the time, or 0.001% of the time, depending on Dunbar number. Why so infrequently, in any case? Where does the concept of honor come from?

Anyway, I jumped ahead and stated my best guess, which is that people prefer to be on the winning side of a fight, and the winning side tends to have the most guys, so people tend to follow the guy who can bring the most guys to a fight (regardless of his own fighting strength, and recall that I said "in the absence of objective violence displays"; even an aspie can tell you who won a duel of honor).

It seemed even more obvious to me that girls prefer charisma to pure strength because the guy with charisma can bring more friends to the rumble.

Jack Amok said...

If merit is not sufficient to give the attitude for an Alpha, then what is? Is Mariotta's problem that he doesn't think he's accomplished anything great/worth doing? Is he too humble? afraid his success will turn to dust?

I've never met him in person, I've only seen him in tv interviews and have heard what other's have said about him. Also saw an interesting segment where Gruden "taught" him a play. So my analysis is... hypothetical at best.

It seems to me his "problem" may be that he just doesn't have the Alpha drive to be in charge. He comes across more as a highly competent Beta, quite happy to go execute as flawlessly as possible the tasks delegated to him by someone else, but basically "one of the guys." One of the more highly skilled ones, but still one of the guys. It's a tremendously valuable skill set, I'd just about kill to have guys like that on my team. But the NFL thinks QBs need to be Alphas, able to command the huddle and the meeting room. Maybe more importantly, to be able to never give up.

Find video of Russell Wilson on the sidelines in the 4th Quarter of the NFC championship game against Green Bay. He's had a horrible game, probably the worst of his entire career. Thrown 4 picks, trailing by two scores and the other team has the ball with 5 minutes left. And he's pacing the sidelines screaming "I AIN'T GONNA LOSE!" and getting in guys faces saying "we're not out of this!" That's about as good an example of "irrational confidence" as you could find.

And his teammates don't necessarily like him. They don't exactly hate him either, but the quote (from an unnamed player) that seems to sum it up is "Russel is management." He's not one of the guys. The guys look at him as more like Pete Carroll than one of them. But he get's them to do what he needs them to do.

And to keep up the scenario, it's pretty funny to hear about the background conflict between Wilson (Alpha) and Marshawn Lynch (Sigma). They play together quite well, but Wilson has as hard a time figuring out Lynch as does Carroll. Seeing the sideline interactions of both those guys with Lynch can be hysterical. They're both smart enough to roll with it, and their reactions come across more as befuddlement than annoyance, but it's there.

Could Mariota still go out there and follow up 55 minutes of horrible play with 8 minutes of near-perfection to win the game? That's what the NFL wants from their QBs.

aeolipera said...

>It seemed even more obvious to me that girls prefer charisma to pure strength because the guy with charisma can bring more friends to the rumble.

Also due to being on top of the economic game, because comfort. What girl wants to be with the strong, psychopathic barbarian when there's no welfare?

Jack Amok said...

As is being witnessed with the recent spate of campus rape hysteria, any direct response from a single individual, proudly and confidently standing for what they believe (entitled to their opinion and unafraid to express it - alpha to the max) without the backing of the group, is liable to result in nothing but ruin to the individual in question.

Yes, of course a Gamma would say that only a fool would ever try to stand out from the crowd, and believe that anyone who does so and gets rewarded for it was just lucky and totes doesn't deserve the wealth and fame that taking risks brings. You're too much of a coward to ever try to stand up for yourself in such an environment, so you salve your feelings by claiming anyone braver than you is just a fool.

It's kind of like what Mr. X told Jim Garrison in JFK: "Kennedy's directives were never really implemented due to bureaucratic resistance." That might seem as passive-aggressive on the face of it. In truth, however, a rather savvy and wise way for the group to tackle seemingly intractable problems.

Just a reminder, books, movies and TV shows are fiction. What people say and what the writers decided they'd say. Any resemblance to reality is often accidental.

JCclimber said...

Respecting authority doesn't mean what gammas think it means.

Markku said...

Vox didn't say "respect authority", that's purely the gamma's own imagination. He said "Sulky, pouty, and argumentative behavior towards authority figures"

Vox said...

For instance, it may be obvious that men won't follow a coward. But I doubt Hitler would have amounted to much in the boxing ring. So maybe men will follow a coward 10% of the time, or 0.001% of the time, depending on Dunbar number. Why so infrequently, in any case? Where does the concept of honor come from?

You're reaching a bizarre conclusion from your own obviously false supposition. Hitler was far from a coward, he won two Iron Crosses for his bravery in WWI, and fought at Ypres and the Somme.

Vox didn't say "respect authority", that's purely the gamma's own imagination. He said "Sulky, pouty, and argumentative behavior towards authority figures"

How very surprising.

Markku said...

"you are glossing over a few things or perhaps I am misunderstanding"

-> Uh oh. I know what's coming.


"What you seem to gloss over Vox in detailing the ALPHA is that ALPHA is not interested in the truth per se"

-> How very polite, that "seem".


"ALPHA wins on the merits Vox.... but you know very well that ALPHA also wins also through the sucker punch, through bending the rules while the other suckers are following them. ALPHA is full of biases that bias himself and welcomes such."

-> Sooo, Vox is a bit dishonest, is he now? Failing to mention inconvenient facts about the ALPHA, in his detailed description of him.


"What we need is more truth and less fairy tales, so men can finally hear the truth and improve their lives"

-> And THERE we go. Finally the accusation of outright falsehood.


Ok, now here's the kicker. Go back to the original post, and count how many times Vox talks about the ALPHA.

Spoiler: Zero.

Corvinus said...

He's what a Gamma TV writer would consider an Alpha they knew in High School that they are projecting onto. So many "zing!" word snipes at the fat women in the clip, yet he's getting none from his wife, he's a shoe salesman w/ no hopes out of his profession (hah hah, take THAT you meanie Alpha-bully-from-high-school!), & his attitude is defeated w/ enough smarmy ego to make a few laughs. How he handled/what he talked about w/ Ms. Blaub & high-fiving his wife at the end are very telling.

But to properly answer your first question - Gamma.


@Dave
I'll just add that things may be a bit confusing for some people because, as you pointed out, it's an Alpha meathead as interpreted by a Gamma. At the very least, it should be obvious that the script writers are Gamma(s).

A Sigma would attack a fat woman in a very similar fashion if she got in his face for something that's her fault, but gratuitous attention-seeking sniping is Gamma. It completely makes sense that the funniest scenes are those where he does act as a Sigma would in that position, whereas the rest of the video (like the Ms. Blaub scene) just leave you rolling your eyes at him.

efishman412 said...

This is why I love this blog. You always learn something, even from the comments section. So rare these days given the vitrol out there.
Markku, you are correct. Vox never said "Respect authority". Therefore, I should not have ascribed that phrase to him. The general point I was trying to make, poorly it seems, is that the opposite of sulking pouty and argumentative is not enough to counteract the thoroughgoing corruption that seems evident to me when looking at authority figures these days. Do you sincerely believe Eric Holder's DOJ gives a crap about how you maintain frame and express an unwavering belief of yours with confidence as they proceed to ream you without compunction? These cretins need to disappear. All I'm saying is that this is more likely to be achieved through a collective effort instead of an individual one.

Markku said...

No.

Then don't sulk, don't pout, but withdraw consent. There is zero chance that the gamma-specific way of resisting will do any good. Ever.

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Natalie said...

Yeah, girl in the thread, but isn't part of the problem we're experiencing that people don't respect legitimate authority? Men don't have authority in their homes/marriages. Parents don't have authority over their children. I'm not talking about lockstep obedience to the bureaucracy but an understanding of the God given authority structures in our world.

aeolipera said...

>You're reaching a bizarre conclusion from your own obviously false supposition.

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. I'll drop it for now and work solo on the idea for a bit.

Paul Hamilton said...

Vox, after a couple of years of not understanding, your posts on Gammas have finally helped me to understand what you mean by female solipsism. I couldn't get my mind around the difference was between narcissism and solipsism--many alphas are narcissists, but aren't solipsistic. But if both are a kind of preoccupation with the self, what is the difference?

Your posts about the gamma have been very instructive for me (it's no coincidence that gamma psychology gives us an insight into female psychology). The Gamma need not be a narcissist, although many of his traits overlap with narcissists'. He can feel empathy, put others first for non-selfish reasons, and generally make it a goal to selflessly better humanity. And yet, he is still self-absorbed in other way, because he is never capable of simply acting, but is always acutely concerned with how his actions are being perceived by others. He may not be necessarily selfish, but he is certainly self-centered because he is hyper self-conscious. Does that sound right to you?

I've been reading your blog for four years now, and I have to say that I now cringe at fantasy/sci-fi books that I previously would have loved. I just finished book 1 of the Dresden files, and four years ago I probably would have liked Dresden, but now I see a gamma living in a gamma fantasy world. Because the author's world did not approximate reality, but only this gamma fantasy world, I had a hard time enjoying it. So no thanks for that.

But thanks for helping me to identify my own gamma tendencies. I was certainly not a full-blown gamma, because I realized the truth of what you were saying almost immediately, without a period of denial. I have since worked hard to eliminate the habits of self-absorption, endless reflection on past injuries, avoiding taking blame for my mistakes, and generally lacking a pair. Looking back on it all, I can't imagine how I ever lived that way.

Bill Solomon said...

heh I do these a lot too

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