Friday, February 20, 2015

Are you Gamma? 2 of 2

The second half of the list composed by the author of Graduating Gamma to help Gamma males identify themselves:
  • You constantly throw out flippant remarks with the expectations they are always amusing, appropriate, and funny.
  • When telling an anecdote to a group and someone mentions they have already heard it you go ahead and tell it again because you aren’t sure if everyone has heard it.
  • You routinely quote movies, comics, and even do the funny voices in every day conversation.
  • When a movie or story is brought up you explain the entire plot and all of the details regardless of if the people you are with asked for the information or even said they liked it.
  • You sit out nearly all competition in a group because you always have better things to do and you’d just rather talk to your friends.
  • At a group event you never voluntarily play any sport if you can avoid it.
  • If you start to lose at any game you find a way to quit if you can and hope to save face by degrading the game or the other players.
  • If someone defeats you at a game or competition you can’t look them in the eye afterwards and try to avoid them if possible.
  • If you win at a competition you explain to your opponent all of the things they did wrong regardless if they asked for the advice.
  • You have at least one good female friend and are always looking for more.
  • You’ll take that 2AM call or text from a female friend who isn’t looking to meet you but rather wants emotional support.
  • You focus on a single “dream woman” and spend weeks, or months planning the perfect time to ask her out.
  • You think women are good and innocent creatures and the ones who do wrong have no doubt been corrupted by the men in their lives.
  • Fixing a woman with a lot of problems is a noble effort and you are always ready to help.
  • You let women use an old mistake or bad choice of yours indefinitely to instill guilt and get their way.
  • You must justify to the woman you are with in excruciating detail all of your actions and thoughts.
  • Fighting back against a violent woman you think is always wrong no matter the circumstances.
  • You know you could be successful with women if you tried, but that means being a jerk or a dude-bro and you respect women too much to do that, and you want to be true to yourself.
  • Feelings should routinely be shared and others should take your feelings into account when making decisions.
  • You routinely lie about small, personal, matters knowing you can get away with it.
  • If you see a couple arguing, your first instinct is to think the guy is wrong and you need to help the girl.
  • If an attractive woman in in a bad state your interest grows, because now that she’s been taken down a notch or two you have a chance.
I would add something I've noticed whenever Gammas start talking, especially about themselves. "You babble semi-coherently and ramble on to a new and tangentially related thought before you've completed whatever it was you started talking about."

It tends to strike me as an attempt to dominate the conversation without seeking to actually engage the other's interest in much the same way women do. Only Gammas do it in public postings and in emails, so that's not necessarily it. All I know is that whenever I'm dealing with a Gamma, in any communications medium, more often than not I'm left wondering "what on Earth is he babbling on about?"

Gammas also seem to have a serious problem providing direct answers to questions. They'll answer five different questions that they think you might have asked, or should have asked, while somehow failing to answer the one question you actually asked.

37 comments:

Bill Solomon said...

"You babble semi-coherently and ramble on to a new and tangentially related thought before you've completed whatever it was you started talking about." Well I uh do this a lot. And Yes its an attempt to dominate the conversation. Actually I answer yes to many of these questions. I highly doubt its cuz I'm a gamma though.

Old Harry said...

So far, the gamma characteristics all seem like Asperger characteristics.

Earl Thomas said...

'So far, the gamma characteristics all seem like Asperger characteristics.'

And very introverted.

Earl Thomas said...

Is it possible that when many boys grow up in a feminized society we get an outbreak of more gamma behaviors?

rumpole5 said...

Many items on your gamma list appear to be a series of ego coping devices. If you are recommending a more laconic approach to the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune", then I agree. It certainly is better to close one's mouth and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt. However, what do you say to the man who has real irremedial deficits, and especially one who lacks the cognitive equipment to develop insight into his condition? The blowhard gamma approach to life might be that man's best, if unhappy, option. You would take that from him also, and have him look naked, straight into the mirror. That's harsh, and with many men, pointless.

Old Harry said...

"That's harsh, and with many men, pointless."

But isn't that what award winning cruelty artists do?

And I agree with you. There is no sport or honor in beating up a bunny. I think the intent of this post is to reach guys who really want to change.

Trust said...

@ Earl Thomas said... Is it possible that when many boys grow up in a feminized society we get an outbreak of more gamma behaviors?
________

Yes. Undoubtedly. We teach, preach, counsel, and even medicate men to gamma.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

So is this like a psychological profile where if you meet a certain number of these criteria, you're probably a Gamma?

Earl Thomas said...

It was said in the last list but it also applies to this list too...

'Gamma males take on the traits of women.'

rumpole5 said...

"I think the intent of this post is to reach guys who really want to change."
My "cringe" reaction on reading this list is the thought of all of the guys I've encountered who apparently peaked in high school and haven't advanced psychologically since that point. I don't even clearly REMEMBER high school but many men of my own age (60+) will tell long detailed stories regailing their high school exploints and triumphs. When a man ends up in that braggart line of guys at the bar that one sees at 3 pm while passing by (and quickening the pace so as not to be buttonholed), the prospect for real change is pretty bleak. God bless those who have the patience to make the attempt, but my experience has been that such efforts are largely futile. Better to nod politely when caught by the requirements of civility and escape at the earliest opportunity. I applaud the application of cruelty artist moves to malefactors, but I don't see the point in further tormenting men who are already apparently living lives of inescapable desperation.

Douglas Wardell said...

I read it more as feminine thought patterns and fear that they are less than other men. Asperger's and introversion may or may not be present depending on the individual -- there are certainly extroverted, social gammas.

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Beefy Levinson said...

"You routinely quote movies, comics, and even do the funny voices in every day conversation."

Oh come on. Is there any living man in the English speaking world who hasn't quoted The Simpsons in casual conversation at least once?

Seriously, good list. It describes my teenage self to a tee. By the time I entered college, I'd had enough pain that I stopped caring. Naturally I became more successful with women.

MB said...

@Trust: Yes. My mother, school, and church did everything short of medicating me to try to turn me into a nice, pliant Gamma. Fortunately, I started to break out of it in High School and the Marine Corps put the final nail in that particular coffin (I think I instinctively knew college would have tried to stuff me back in, so I delayed).

I'm a natural Beta with heavy Alpha/Sigma flashes that were nurtured by the Corps, and helped me land that unicorn of a virtuous, virginal wife. Those flashes also got me into almost as much trouble in college as they helped me out of, but the experience taught me the value of control and helped bring me back to the Church after a hiatus of more than a decade.

Bureaucracies like Gammas, hence the public schools try to manufacture and encourage them, and single mothers such as my own often abet the effort, if unintentionally. I broke away because I was able to see, dimly, what I was becoming, and took active steps to rectify it. I owe that insight to my father's efforts to give me a classical education, my Sigma grandfather's legacy, and a breakup that both blindsided me and opened my eyes to the real nature of women.

Earl Thomas said...

The funny voices one is a pretty good sign to. Gals do that quite a bit, but I notice a lot of guys do that too. Changing their voice tone when there is no need to.

Peter said...

So, how do you change? Where do you start? How do you deprogram behaviors that have been embedded into you over a long period of time?

MB said...

@Earl: Funniest guy I ever met used to do that, and he was no Gamma. Unfortunately, I emulated that, and it did not help my transition (and was/is a difficult habit to break). I think certain natural mimics/comedians above a certain SMV can get away with it, but it's toxic to those of us who lack the funny gene.

JAY WILL said...

"Gammas also seem to have a serious problem providing direct answers to questions. They'll answer five different questions that they think you might have asked, or should have asked, while somehow failing to answer the one question you actually asked".

Brutal. I do this a lot. Lacking self-knowledge wouldn't be a problem if things were ok, not understanding myself makes it hard to change. Humility was mentioned on another thread I could do with some of that.

AmyJ said...

@Peter, it's a painful process that takes a while. Women who discover the red pill go through that exact thing. It's tough.

Earl Thomas said...

'I think certain natural mimics/comedians above a certain SMV can get away with it, but it's toxic to those of us who lack the funny gene.'

Or it could have been the context of the situation warranted it.

I'm talking about guys doing it during a normal conversation with me. No need to put on the funny voice when we are discussing matters.

Corvinus said...

Fortunately, I started to break out of it in High School and the Marine Corps put the final nail in that particular coffin (I think I instinctively knew college would have tried to stuff me back in, so I delayed).

Hence, my point in Part 1 of this topic about hazing. If the Army and Marines weren't constantly being used for stupid neocon projects in the Middle East, I'd recommend men join them. Gammas and Gamma behavior are harmful for civilization.

DaveofSpades said...

Essentially, Gammas are obsessed with what other people think of them. Mor exactly, they (we?) are obsessed with what they believe others think of them.

MATT said...

Alphas are just as inclined to be obsessed with what others think of them.

Desiderius said...

MB,

Bureaucracies like deltas, but being the dysfunctional inhuman monstrosities there are, they churn out gammas instead. What they do to women in worse.

Earl Thomas said...

'So, how do you change? Where do you start? How do you deprogram behaviors that have been embedded into you over a long period of time? '

It's a gradualization of behavior...but do the opposite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vyb5dkQZPw

JCclimber said...

Funny voices are appropriate on occasion, as when you are mocking someone to their face to show them what they sound like to women.

Since I usually speak in a deep voice (my boss calls it the Barry White does public speaking), it seems to be especially funny to people when you try the Helium trick. The contrast....

For most of these behaviors, I can see sometimes slipping into them while young, because that is what society is programming you to do. However, once you start getting success, accomplishing real things that matter, I cannot see how that behavior can possibly stick around. Maybe the problem with gammas is that they were never pushed into competing while being afraid of losing, finding out that losing isn't the end of the world, and getting better and better until they are winning at least some of the time.

Getting into a fight or two and taking your lumps.

Especially the game/sports/competition things. Those behaviors above, I especially want to ensure do not become ingrained into my son.

Unknown said...

Vox,

With the fiendish manospherians overwhelming progressive comment threads, its caretakers now tries to identify their modus operandi.

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MidKnight said...

This list - roughly half USED to describe me, the other half I never did - the intellectual integrity thing my grandad taught kept me from sinking THAT low. The movie quotes (not the silly voices) though. Still me.

Work in progress - and can't really quibble about the list as markers... One or two, fine. ten or fifteen? Not good.

UltimaThule said...

Read both articles, and nope, I definitely am not a Gamma. I am though, looking forward to Omega, Delta, Beta, Alpha, and Sigma versions of this Gamma series of articles. This is a good contribution to the Manosphere.

thehaproject said...

You can have my movie quotes when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

Jack Amok said...

Saw an interesting ALPHA-GAMMA exchange at work today. The Gamma disagreed with the Alpha's approach to a problem, and the Alpha responded to the technical details of the Gamma's objections. They went back and forth a bit, and at this point, you could have agreed with either side (it was a problem where each solution had it's strengths and weanesses). But the Gamma apparently couldn't tolerate the disagreement and after a couple of minutes suddenly made a personal attack against the Alpha (basically said "I don't understand how you can be so incompetent as to disagree with me") and then proceeded to talk over the Alpha's response. The Alpha perceived a challenge to his position (or at least an unacceptable level of disrespect) and suddenly his voice and demeanor took on massive edge (he is also BTW a huge dude. Looks line an NFL lineman). It was really a rapid change, light-switch getting flipped sort of thing.

The Gamma logged off his computer and immediately went home for the day, even though it was only mid-afternoon. Literally unable to continue working after a confrontation which he himself had provoked.

Peter said...

@Amy J
I understand that it is painful. It got me past various stages from self-identification to depression and back. Now that i am calm, i really need a starting point. At this point i don't care how painful it is. I just need to know what needs to be done no matter what, so i won't feel so lost. Where i should start, what should i study, what i should start doing, what must i gradually change etc etc. Those are the question i am asking here. You could say that i am asking for guidance here. Probably stupid to do this from a comment section, i know.

JartStar said...

There's nothing wrong with occasionally quoting a movie, or when with a good friend quoting and discussing a favorite movie, like Monty Python where the Gamma goes wrong is injecting them consistently and inappropriately into everyday conversation.

"I am, and don't call me Shirley." is a funny line from a great movie, but saying this nearly every time someone uses the word "surely" turns you into a buffoon.

PhantomZodak said...

ugh, i used to be so gamma that reading these lists is depressing. luckily not everything applied. i never shied away from confrontation or quit things. (but 2 things won't change i will never stop quoting movies & tv shows & i still hate sports)

Kyle Smith said...

As with all these posts many of these behaviors are exhibited by all depending on the situation. The range of alphas is pretty large depending on how you define alpha (I don't like to think of alpha as how they do with women but a fat goofy comedian can get lots of girls). I think one of the things that defines the gamma is that while an alpha can quote a movie in a funny voice and have the room laughing in admiration, the gamma is limited to that range of expression. Its the limitations that are the problem. They are stuck on that mode.

And pedalstalizing women - I would really like an objective study. Someone find college men who slept with 4x the average women and do a survey of how they really view women. It would not surprise me in the feminized world if even these alphas thought women were magical unicorns. The culture clearly convinces betas and below, they just come out of it with experience with women without blinders.

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