Vox, becoming aware of female hypergamy has been one of the most liberating events in my life. Not only has my marriage improved, relationships of all kinds have improved. Even my dog responds to me differently. It's downright amazing. And it's never too late - I'm well north of 60 now.Probably not. All I can think of is to shock them by having a friend who is your age show up at a family event some time with a woman who is less than ten years younger than they are. They won't take you seriously unless you actually demonstrate the truth and effectiveness of Game reality to them, and explain that what they think is gross now would actually be a positive outcome for them considering the path they are on. Once they recognize you actually know what you're talking about, then they might be receptive to actual information about the fertility drop-off, divorce rates, and so forth. But not before then.
I have a couple of nieces (actually great nieces) that are both at least an 8 on the SMV scale and are accustomed to turning heads wherever they go. They're riding the cock carousel at one of the major universities, constantly trading up at every opportunity. BTW - this was invisible to me until I learned the principles of game. Their mother doesn't have a clue and Dad's long gone.
They both say they want to settle down and have children one day, but it's obvious that they intend to exhaust the supply of high SMV men around them first. Warnings from me about high "N" values and how that damages their MMV seem to fall on ears. They both have high MMV men in orbit waiting patiently.
Do you see anything else I can do to minimize the damage? Or is it like a trainwreck, all you can do is watch?
Sex and the rush that comes from being highly desirable is at least as psychologically addicting as most drugs, probably more so for very attractive women. Sweet reason simply isn't going to cut it. They have to experience some serious heartbreak or humiliation before they'll even consider abandoning their hedonistic path.
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You can lead a girl to logic, but you can't make her think.
Maybe an older woman that they respect could have a "heart to heart" with them. BR says he's married, so he could send his wife to give them advice. I'm guessing they'd be more likely to listen to a woman than a man on relationships.
I don't mean a confrontational thing, just having her do something with them, make smalltalk, then casually steer the conversation towards the girls' future and how their actions will affect that. An older woman who's a skilled conversationalist can inspire circumspection in younger girls, if they're receptive to it. If they're not, then they'll just have to learn from experience.
There's really not much BR can do. They're not his kids, after all.
Notice their father is long gone. I wonder whether he left or was forced out.
And now his daughters are sluts. Destroying feminism is a moral imperative.
Recalling how silly and full of myself I was back in college, I can honestly say that if an older male relative had come to me and told me these things or given me advice about dating, I'd have either laughed or been creeped out.
Most of us are stupid at that age (or any age, it seems like). It'd be a futile gesture.
Yes, talking to them would be as futile as trying to convince a young man in love that his dream-girl is a crazy slut. There's no getting past the hormones and rationalization until reality wakes them up.
This is why previous generations put serious limits on the freedom of young women, from chaperones to chastity belts. They still did their best to raise girls right and teach them virtue, but they were realistic enough to understand that the temptations would be enormous, and that protecting young women from those temptations and their own response to them was a family- and society-wide project if they were to be good wives and mothers someday.
The modernist idea that everyone past puberty should be able to resist temptations through nothing but his own upbringing and willpower, and any attempt at outside guidance is seen as interference or meddling, is ridiculous. Our most uneducated ancestors would have thought us insane to send 18-year-old girls off to live together away from their parents and in the proximity of men, even before adding novelties like co-ed dorms and free birth control.
College is just a period of experimentation. The girls won't care until their expiration date is well over. They are just having too much fun. You can't tame hypergamy. It assumes they are willing to trade down before are ready. Besides, a girl isn't ready to settle until they approach 28 or 30 years.
@ Krul said... Maybe an older woman that they respect could have a "heart to heart" with them.
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Women have a high tendency to encourage younger women to repeat their mistakes, because doing otherwise would be an admission of wrongness or fault. Encouraging a repeat is a justification and can the be blamed on the object of the choice rather than the chooser.
They have to experience some serious heartbreak or humiliation before they'll even consider abandoning their hedonistic path.
Be (an ethical) ALPHA. Girls are relying on you.
Ghost and Amy, you're close. These creatures are made not born. If you as a parent don't subvert the culture for your children so that they clearly detest it and understand that they are better than it, the culture will subvert them.
I'm 35 and can clearly remember all the things I took for granted in regards to sex and relationships. Good times but utterly hollow. But I am a man and grew out of it. Been married 5 years to a great woman who I was able to in a way"screen"before even considering marriage. It probably helped mein this regard.
For women this is clearly detrimental. I see relatives and friends that are going through the world clueless and wonder why things are not what they truly want. Women need a good father as much as boys do.
And not to drag on,but this "contempt" to almost snobbery against the culture is beneficial in more than just the romantic sphere. If your kids see popular culture as dirty and beneath them you win. In everything. This is key.
Re: Trust,
In that case you'd go with a woman who didn't make those mistakes.
As I read this piece, an Apocryphal scripture reference came to mind:
"Keep strict watch over a headstrong daughter, or else, when she finds liberty, she will make use of it. Be on guard against her impudent eye, and do not be surprised if she sins against you. As a thirsty traveler opens his mouth and drinks from any water near him, so she will sit in front of every tent peg and open her quiver to the arrow." Ben Sira 26: 10-12.
Sadly, as others have so rightly noted, some things some things are "better felt than tell't". Looks like they'll have to learn the hard way that Prince Charming most likely won't be swooping in to rescue them once their proverbial carriages have turned into pumpkins.
@Trust
Women have a high tendency to encourage younger women to repeat their mistakes, because doing otherwise would be an admission of wrongness or fault. Encouraging a repeat is a justification and can the be blamed on the object of the choice rather than the chooser.
The second I read that I thought of Miss Havisham from Great Expectations. i know she was trying to get revenge (against who?), but it sounds similar. She was also in total denial until the last minute.
Also, it's one thing for us plain janes (ie the 5-7s) to tell hot young things that sobriety and chastity are better life choices, and it's a whole different thing to hear it from a really stand-out woman. In the former case it's way too easy for young things to dismiss our advice because we /obviously/ couldn't get what they're getting and therefore had to make the best of it (or we're boring). To stand a chance of being I heard I think that sort of thing would have to come from someone they really can respect - likely a woman who looks like she could play with any guy she wanted and still thinks the classy thing is chastity.
@ Krul said... In that case you'd go with a woman who didn't make those mistakes
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Fair enough. Of course, women who haven't made those mistakes would probably be dismissed as "not understanding."
Hamsters are powerful. If she wants an alpha cock, any evidence will be interpreted accordingly.
Cail: Our most uneducated ancestors would have thought us insane to send 18-year-old girls off to live together away from their parents and in the proximity of men, even before adding novelties like co-ed dorms and free birth control.
...and atrocities like abortion on demand.
Nothing short of George Clooney saying something like "She is attractive, smart, and had only been with 1 other man" in response to why he married Amal is going to change the way women think about these things.
And that is assuming he survived the nuclear fallout without tucking his penis between his legs.
Is there no place for slut-shaming within the family?
And that is assuming he survived the nuclear fallout without tucking his penis between his legs.
Does the nuclear fallout happen before or after he hands over his testicles to remain employable in whorelywood? Or did that already happen just so he could get work to begin with?
'Sweet reason simply isn't going to cut it.'
Yup...much like telling a drug addict they are destroying their life, the rush can be too much.
They choose empty thrills they get the results.
I know a girl probably a 10 on the scale, hypergamy to the max but the right "hot" guy showed up, they married but kept the party lifestyle going till the bills came due then splitsville now she is barreling down on age 40, living at home. Maybe some mope will play her orbiter, but so far none have stepped up since she is just a 40 year old party girl who won't let go.
About the only thing I can think of that might be able to lead them away would be the right Alpha Female. Good luck finding one they will listen to.
Besides they have plenty of Alpha Mares around them right now. All telling them, 'there will be no consequences for your irresponsible actions.'
The pity is girls are pretty much under siege as soon as they arrive in college. They are surrounded by feminist propaganda from the first day of school.
The history of college cock carousel is pretty much the history of second and third wave feminism.
The rot really set in during the mid 1980s. That was when you first saw the arrival of the modern Gamma and Omega males. Up until that time college girls who were 4s to 6s accepted that they were going to simply have to settle for a lesser male and set about trying to improve him.
As a lifestyle choice the carousel is rather clever from an Orwellian perspective. Sublimate the female sex drive against the reproductive drive. Then get the girls to invest themselves in propagating a lie that has damaged themselves.*
Tell other girls if they ride the carousel and pursue Sex in the City as a valid lifestyle, they can still, absolutely marry Dean Winchester.
Yes, Dean is still a quite a thing, even after ten years. Of course we know Dean's real opinion of sluts but they remain oblivious.
(*For Example: A number of Jezebel forum commenters seem to be under the impression that semen consists almost entirely of battery acid.
Jezebel always makes for an interesting look into damaged minds.*)
Sure, the predecitive slut programming or beta kitten-bunny act is SitC of NYC.
I my ire of ohio is the eastern side for its baneful, whorish drug cultures and party colleges. I am stuck dealing with damaged mentally unstable people. and of course the revolving fat feminists acceptance worship while simultaneously firing me for just sitting pretty.
No matter the age, given 16 to the 30's spending your body on a 'easy come, easy (fast) go man' is doing harm to a womans body, mind and soul. We are not male or female, we man and woman, mind, body, soul.
The girls must turn to Christ, repent and LEAVE THE DAMN COLLEGE.
Natalie I'm told I'm attractive. Younger girls seem to like and respect me. That said while I repeatedly tell them to respect sex. Do not thing you can hageca high number and not be hurt by it. Only one of the girls I said that to listened. But did she really listen to me? She hooked a natural alpha who wants to keep her.
if the father is gone, fuckk these lost souls, who cares, your only choice is absolute psycho
I don't think these girls have any hope outside a dramatic experience with Jesus and no one can make that happen. I would pray for that and have very little interaction with them otherwise.
The future will be quite nasty as we reap the whirlwind we have sown.
I suggest that RB start looking for some new nieces.
I understand all of the fatalistic comments, but this is all pretty simple. Do something or do nothing? If the former, then the next question is who best to deliver the message. If there is a woman they respect, that's probably better than a man delivering the message.
If nothing is done, what chance is there for improvement? I'd go with "slim chance" over "no chance".
ahhh this post makes me cringe. My good friend and female cousin is now 29. She was HOT back in the day, and still is decent looking but obviously theres nothing like that 18-22 year old bracket for a girl.
She went to a big ten college...she even had an offensive lineman from the football team (this was U of W so he went pro) who reallllly wanted to wife her up. She didn't go for it.
Now, at 29, she is in and out of severe depression, and can't get a guy who isn't shady as fuck or who won't cheat on her. And the guys who are nice enough, she doesn't get the tingles from.
It's just sad.
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