Wednesday, September 17, 2014

Why women shouldn't vote: Scottish edition

It was entirely predictable that Scottish women would vote against freedom and independence:
Among women, however, an increasing number are coming down in favour of voting No. The results show that the No campaign now has a 16 point lead among women who have decided which way to vote - up from 14 points on Sunday. Some 58 per cent of women say they will vote No on Thursday, with 42 per cent planning to vote Yes, among those who have reached a decision.

Men are more evenly split but more than half – 53 per cent – now back independence.
Women voting. A free and independent society. Choose one. The choice between the two is rarely so obvious as this, though.

26 comments:

JLT said...

I particularly like the part where she talks about incentives regarding marriage.

Megan McArdle: Life and family isn't fair, so cough up that alimony

JLT said...

Odd that women would be voting 'No'. Scotland is more socialist than England; while Scotland would lose $$ transfers f (granted, that probably explains their vote right there), they would be 'free' to go full socialist.

Owen said...

JLT,
What's interesting is that her case for alimony (mom struggling with kids) is remedied with child support and has nothing to do with the mom getting a job or a check from dad.

Also, "dumping the wife just after getting the law degree" is a specious claim for such a scenario. Always tossed around, completely no facts to support it.

vashine said...

They also gave the vote to kids aged 16, is that correct? Insanity. Sixteen-year olds have no clue what they're doing with a vote. Heck, my 39 year-old sister shouldn't even be allowed to vote, much less a 16-year old.

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 said...

Personally, I don't think men without children are all that much more future oriented than women, and would rather they didn't vote either. I think you could operate under a sex neutral law provided it looked something like:

1) You must be married
2) You must have a child
3) You must not have received government since the last vote

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I particularly like the part where she talks about incentives regarding marriage.

Her whole concern is that the removal of permanent alimony does not maximize female options (aka the removal of female accountability), because breadwinner husband/SHAW becomes a harder path to follow.

Never mind the fact that if SAH wife was engaged in proper home economics, she would be looking at a substantial property settlement because instead of consuming her husbands entire paycheck she would be saving 15-20% of it.

Robert What? said...

Personally I don't think men without children ...

The Framers originally gave the vote only to white male property owners. Putting aside the "white male" part of it, they wanted to make sure that voting was limited to those who were invested in the community. In retrospect that is making a lot of sense.

Trust said...

Another way men and women's thinking is alien to one another. They see liberty a different way. To a man, they see liberty as making their own choices and bearing both the benefits and consequences of their choices.

Women, on the other hand perceive liberation as making their own choices and enjoying any rewards, while passing the consequences to others. Which, of course isn't liberty at all.

Hence this vote. They see the union as an opportunity to enjoy the fruits of another, failing to see the other party in the union has wants and expectations as well.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Take away their so-called "right" to vote. End of story.

kbswift said...

Big daddy government promised them more cash if they vote No. How could a woman resist?

Cataline Sergius said...

We have the same problem here of course.

Single women ages 18-30 have gone for Obama twice now by a margin of 90%. This is so far out of the box that it needs some examination. When you've crossed into 90% that means single women with conservative beliefs and backgrounds are also voting for Obama.

Its a matter of resources. For most of our 80,000 year history, the survival of our species depended on young females successfully getting other members of the tribe to gather resources for them even if that meant depleting the resources of the tribe as a whole.

From the stand point of the survival of our species, they were quite correct to do so. The young and fertile female was the key to survival, so keeping her healthy was of paramount importance to the human race. No babies, no human race.

Fast Forward 80,000 years. Babies are now an optional non-extra but the drive to acquire as much resource material as possible without regard to overall resource depletion, is still there.

I laughed as hard as anyone at The Life of Julia (*This is Iowahawk's version which is more accurate and more funny*). But it worked!

This is the President of the United States as pseudo husband.

Sure he will provide for you but it's understood that you as a single woman are only there for him. Not the other way around. He will only maintain any kind of interest in you, on his terms. And only on his terms.

I saw the same thing to a lesser degree when Clinton was in office.

There are other factors in play of course, herd mentality, etc. However resource allocation is the big factor in the voting pattern here.

The funny thing is that pattern is broken the second a single woman age 18-30 becomes a married woman age 18-30. My wife's cousin Jessica is the perfect example. Conservative background and beliefs, voted for Obama at ages eighteen and twenty-two. Got married at twenty-three and suddenly its, "You know if you listen to what the Tea Party is saying. I mean really listen, you know..."

ajw308 said...

Big daddy government promised them more cash if they vote No. How could a woman resist?
Now they just need to agree on the amount.

Unknown said...

Slow down a moment.

I'm not so sure the Yes side is all about independence and freedom. Most of what I have read shows Scotland wants to separate so Scots can establish a true Liberal Democracy (heh).

A liberal democracy that will be committed to equalism, feminism and socialism. Sounds like dependence and slavery to me.

If I lived in England, I would be cheering the affirmative Scots on, so their Labour MP's will vacate parliament soonest.

Trust said...

@ ajw308 said... How could a woman resist? Now they just need to agree on the amount.
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That will be how they get them to the polls in countless elections to come.

Mindstorm said...

There was another 'secession' in Eastern Europe not so long ago. Look up Czechoslovakia and how it turned out for Slovaks. Hint: probably worse than without the split.

Sean Carnegie said...

OT but I don't know how to send this link to Vox. Wanna see Incel Beta in action? Qualites for a woman that make her your snowflake

Vincent Castrillo said...

You want to know what will fix the entire West in one fell swoop?? Designate that all incomes over 75K are taxed at 90%. Yes seriously. Old school. If you are married, 150K. For every extra child add 50K more. This would make lefties wet themselves with redistributive joy, while making all of the incentives for women to career it up in meaningless jobs evaporate overnight. Yes it sucks, but do you want to continue your meaningless existence in the decline or want a future for your kids?? You can adjust it in 30 years when things correct themselves and/or you can convince the better women you create that voting is for men or property only.

Want to live a better life ladies?? Have a husband and some kids in this system. You get to stay home and love them without the rat race. Less trips to Cabo to suck off Mexican pool boys, but you'll now have perspective and a real legacy of loving children. The world might actually mean something to you instead of trinkets. Oh and now your hubby can make 250K for you and two kids without getting raped in taxes. Or 400K for you and 5 kids.....Put the soul back in things. Also, women would choose more wisely in mates, jobs, politicians, etc.

Does it not seep in yet that only a king could ever make this happen???

Mastermind said...

The women are in the right here, the Scots want freedum to go full retard on every liberal idiocy imaginable, from immigration to welfare.

cailcorishev said...

The women are in the right here

I think women have a certain instinct for sensing where their provision is going to come from (or not). They might want the freedom for moar liberalism, but on some level they want to be sure someone's on the hook to pay for it. On an individual level, most women didn't go feral until they felt secure that government, academia, and the corporate world would pick up the tab and make it work for them. Or look how many women won't dump one guy until they have another in play. This might be the same thing on a larger scale: if they aren't sure the EU will pick up where the UK left off, they might hesitate.

Mastermind said...

Or they don't want to be raped by packs of feral muslims.

APL said...
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APL said...

Value of the Financial services industry to Scotland £6billion
Employees of the Financial services industry in Scotland 180,000 (good number of them women)

Population of United Kingdom ~65,000,000
Population of Scotland ~5,500,000

Representing a customer base for the financial services industry of a post independence Scotland of one tenth of the current UK wide customer base. That would be un-economic and the only option would be a massive slim down or follow their customers south!

Out of the Scottish population of 5,500,000 roughly 2.5 million are tax payers, and a good number of those work for the government.

The actual tax base for an independent Scottish State would be much much smaller - given that you have to raise tax from somewhere before you can employ folk in the public sector, most of the public sector would have to be closed down too*.

Voting against independence may be one of the few times women make the right choice.

*No big deal since many of them do nothing useful.

Corvinus said...

The women are in the right here, the Scots want freedum to go full retard on every liberal idiocy imaginable, from immigration to welfare.

Yeah, it sounds like Scotland would be a Celtic Sweden, basically. And you know what Sweden's immigration policy is like. Scotland is still 96% white precisely because it's subject to the UK's immigration policy, where the vast majority of the darkies end up in England. Ireland, which is independent, is at 94%, although I imagine that if that country suffered from Protestant guilt it would be well down into the 80s by now.

OTOH, maybe it needs a darkie flood to scare and beat its people into not being leftoid any more. That's why Minnesota and Wisconsin, after being deeply leftist back in the 1960s, are swing states now, and why Sweden's leftist parties have been unable to get a majority of votes since 2002.

APL said...

"Yeah, it sounds like Scotland would be a Celtic Sweden, "

I'm thinking Celtic North Korea.

Trust said...

@Trust said...
Another way men and women's thinking is alien to one another. They see liberty a different way. To a man, they see liberty as making their own choices and bearing both the benefits and consequences of their choices.

Women, on the other hand perceive liberation as making their own choices and enjoying any rewards, while passing the consequences to others. Which, of course isn't liberty at all.

Hence this vote. They see the union as an opportunity to enjoy the fruits of another, failing to see the other party in the union has wants and expectations as well.
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