Monday, March 17, 2014


Check out the spectacular gamma male fail occurring on Twitter at the moment. It is literally right out of Roissy's textbook. A woman took offense at this comment on a post contemplating the observable failure of women with computer science degrees to stick with programming jobs:

I think too many of these girls who get drafted in under the "MOAR GIRLS!" banner never see real work, then bail when they encounter it. Who will be at a technical conference debating the fine points of something technical, or the fine points of a pun, and who will be taking selfies in a mirror with a sign like "I am doing programming!"?

A White Knight, detecting the opportunity to attempt to curry favor, promptly leaped into action and encouraged his fellow Knights of the Supplicating Table to fight this terrible FeelBad by taking selfies. Sadly, despite his bold efforts on behalf of her and all programming womakind, this did not result in his first date with an actual woman.

It's like a pictorial anti-shopping list for women. "Hey, ladies, I'm not only a hapless dork, but I'll put you on a pedestal in a heartbeat too!"


Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Very amusing. Inter-nerd rivalries.

Krul said...

Gamma bingo slots: unshaven, unkempt, out of shape, goofy expression, goofy pose, book, appliance, thing on head, thing on face, thing in mouth, geeky reference, pet, stuffed animal, embedded text...

Eric Wilson said...

any dude with cats #scalzi.

bonus points if you've got three.

Eric Wilson said...

if ever there was a time for a dong pic

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I'm too busy really doing programming to try and make sense of a twitter lemming rush. #ihatehashtags

Anyway, like the old joke goes, there's tons of women in CompSci, just not very many of them.

JCDaedalus said...

And in a similar vein, alphabets and literacy are sexiss and feelbad-inducing, because patriarchy. I kid you not:

The Alphabet versus Goddess Conflict

Review of above book

Here's a quote: Literacy has promoted the subjugation of women by men throughout all but the very recent history of the West. Misogyny and patriarchy rise and fall with the fortunes of the alphabetic written word.

Theory: written word encourages patriarchy. Corollary: to be anti-patriarchy, you must reject literacy. Highly amusing and ironic.

redlegben said...

I had a total of two girls in my upper level physics courses. Both were obviously ~100 IQ types. One was hot and had plenty of fan-boys helping her with her homework and a very interested professor. The other was Asian and had similar fan-boys but not as much help from the married/Peruvian older male professor. Her grades sucked on tests and were awesome on homework. Not hard to figure out what was going on there.

Truth is fun to watch happen.

8to12 said...

I did an analysis of MB personality types among programmers here:

Programmers are dominated by people that have a T (thinking) the decision style.

Almost 60% of men are T; only 24% of women are.

Combine that with the fact that programming requires an ABOVE AVERAGE IQ. At best only 12% of women have the required combo of personality and IQ.

Harambe said...

The pics just prove that fags love Apple. As a software developer myself, I told my manager on more than one occasion that I don't want to work with women because they spoil the atmosphere in the office. He seems to agree. Probably because the one time we had a woman (American SWPL type no less) on a shared project, she was a grade A overbearing c*nt and the first words she ever spoke were "Yeah, I'm not actually AT the office right now, I had to take care of something at home".

Harambe said...


Marissa said...

They linked to an older post from this "totally misogynistic and untrue" blog.

Anonymous said...

My favorite is when they decide to call everyone developer instead of make the women folk feel better about their contributions. They can't meet the requirements, so they just change the game.

Brad Andrews said...

I am confused. What exactly is the "I think too many...." quote saying?

And am I supposed to think someone is a good programmer because they have a cat under computer parts? I haven't programmed much lately, but I was good at programming because I could solve problems with solid code, not because I took creative pictures.

I have worked with a few women in IT over the years. More at some places than others. Most got work done, though I wasn't in a position to evaluate the competence of that work. I do note that the effort of "more women in engineering" was being pushed when I was in college in the early 1980s. The fact that we have the exact same message now with minimal change should tell us something.

Retrenched said...


Or when they create make-work jobs like "tech evangelist" or "diversity consultant" to make their male-to-female ratio look better, while still having men do 90-95% of the actual coding.

Anonymous said...


This isn't about capability, it's about prestige. Programming is one of the few male dominated fields left where there is a level of value associated with it. Doctor's and Lawyers aren't making what they used to as women have inundated those fields. This is one of the few fields left. I have been in this particular field for 15 years, have worked in large programming departments, and have known 2 real female programmers. They were not great, just competent. The rest worked as "Developers". It's a title that goes with someone who works in IT maintaining existing systems, but doesn't have the expertise to build something new. So gradually, all programmers have now taken on the title of developer and we are all on an "equal" level. They do a fraction of the work, but have the same prestige. It's only the prestige that matters to girls, not the quality of anything.

Anonymous said...


I'll give you a break down of my office. It's a large retail chain that if I said the name, everyone would recognize it immediately.

.NET Web Programmers - 15 men
JAVA Web and Application Programmers - 11 men and 1 woman
Cobalt Programmers - 15 men and 2 women (yes, both are marked as fully support personnel)
Oracle DBA's - 5 men
DB2 DBA's - 5 men
SQL Server DBA's - 3 men
Terradata DBA's - 2 men
Middleware Programmers - 9 men
Infrastructure Maintenance (Unix and Windows) - 6 men
Hardware Support - 4 men
Network Systems - 13 men
Mobile Systems Development - 7 men and 1 woman (she does HTML and CSS)
Cognos Reporting - 4 men and 3 women
Business Analysts - 2 men and 7 women
Systems Architecture - 3 men
Data Analysis - 1 man and 5 women
Control Center (they call you when a system goes down) - 2 men and 4 women
Management - 8 men and 7 women
Cost Analysis - 1 man and 3 women

I'm going to let you guess how difficult the system is as the number of women grow. The hilarious part is that when people ask them what they do, they just say "I work in IT". And they do, writing technical documents or bothering one of the men because they don't understand how encoding works on IBM MQ. It insanity, but they don't care, because they get paid as much as the men sitting next to them who actually build everything in the business architecture, and they get the same prestige. If you work in IT, you have 4 titles below manager, Associate Developer, Developer, Senior Developer, and Lead Developer. All of these women operate with one of these titles. It makes no sense, but that's how it is.

Alright, I'm going to stop typing. Off my soap box.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Joseph. That's hilarious, that all those jobs are lumped under those four titles, when you know it's just to obfuscate who's doing the real work.

Brad Andrews said...


I always saw the developer title as higher than programmer, without any of the context you posit. I had been a developer in most of my career, so it did not seem the stigma. That included designing features, figuring out how to lay them out, etc. I have found many people can't draw good UML diagrams even if you step them through it, so that is not a trivial skill either.

I see a programmer as one who can only code something that has a firm design already in place. That seems like a lower skill.

Clearly that is a different view of a developer however.

I am working in information security now (touching on secure development at times), so I don't get as much hands-on coding time, but I am convinced I could write code for anything fairly quickly. I am not sure how that skill is distributed though my experience is similar to the stats you note.

Anonymous said...

"Hey, ladies, I'm not only a hapless dork, but I'll put you on a pedestal in a heartbeat too!"

Oh Vox, those are just the Nice Guys pretending to be Nice that women hate being Nice to them in order to just use them for sex, know that.


Yohami said...


Anonymous said...


Perhaps it's just my last 2 environments, but a lot of what happens around this place has nothing to do with design patterns, systems architecture, requirements gathering, or anything that you would normally pay someone a real salary to help you with. Instead, we have support personnel who know just enough to break something that other wise should be working. IBM and Oracle have specialized tools for these people to help with their lack of generic programming skills, see IIB for IBM or SOA BPEL for Oracle in JDeveloper. They are drag and drop applications that allow non-programming individuals to make applications that run on frameworks. In short, it's coding that is so simple that even a girl could do it. You can't call these women programmers because they have no idea how, but you can call them developers because technically they can make a web service by dragging and dropping components onto an XML template in BPEL. Again, this is personal pet peeve of mine because I have 3 guys working for me who are incredible at architecting software and implementing it, but I also have a woman working for me who makes as much money as they do, works half as much, with 1/3 of the capabilities and she gets to call herself a developer too even though she couldn't program her way out of a wet paper bag.

I'm going to burn my soap box now, it's getting a little worn.

LP2021 Bank of LP Work in Progress said...

Oh no! Like female video game designers, its most likely not their thing.

tz said...

Then there's this Candide Crush Saga

Considering the playing field, I'm not so much a black knight as a black rook. And the white knights are pawns pretending above their rank or filesystem.

One wonders how many degrees are the result of "oooh, but I can't go to bed before I finish this section of my dissertation, maybe you could ghostwr... er, help me with it (smile, bats the eyelashes, looks expectant)". There is a word for such trade.

Anonymous said...

Brad and Joseph,

Just to confuse things more, at Microsoft, the guys who wrote code had the official title of Software Development Engineers (SDEs) and were known as "Devs". First line managers of SDEs had the title Development Lead and the folks who managed Dev Leads were called Dev Managers. Meanwhile, the folks called Program Managers (a.k.a. PMs) were the CompSci grads we didn't think could write very good code but might be useful writing specs and attending meetings. Occasionally devs would refer to them as "Pizza Man" because ordering pizza when everyone was staying late to meet a milestone was their most obvious talent to the devs. But nobody in their right minds would let a PM touch any code.

FWIW, Program Managers are usually the ones who come up with things like Clippy, or the Start Menu, or removing the Start Menu, or DRM, or...

S. Thermite said...

"I had a white connector on my old monitor" - overheard just yesterday from a female "IT Programmer/Analyst" who handles, among other things, warranty hardware claims on a helpdesk. Evidently DVI is too new and technical of a term to remember....meanwhile, she gets paid just as much and has the same title as the men who've been building servers at home just for the fun of it.

Several years ago I received a call from a female corrections officer about a login problem, and I asked her to make sure the network cable was plugged it. Told her it looked like a large telephone cord and connector. "Guy stuff...that's guy stuff you're taking about" she said, as she ran off to get a male corrections officer to talk to me. Wanted to slap her through the phone- only reason she's even able to operate in a male prison is because of feminism, affirmative action, and the brute force of her male co-workers to protect her from the criminals who must obey her, and yet she's still too sexist to be bothered with learning what an Ethernet cord looks like.

Bob Loblaw said...

Anyway, like the old joke goes, there's tons of women in CompSci, just not very many of them.

Bahahahaha. I'd never heard that one.

Brad Andrews said...


Interesting thing to think about. I have not been impressed with visual programming tools since I looked at them years ago for a magazine review, but they may or may not have merit. It would be interesting to find out if they are really useful or if they just paper over difference in competencies, perhaps sex related (per this blog).

I was going to say that this is getting off the topic for this post, but it seems like a potentially logical follow on issue.

Simpler programming interfaces may have merit since most (whatever their sex) do not have the ability to do serious development, but whether they are really good is an interesting question.

Retrenched said...

@ Rollo

That's what happens to guys who take feminism seriously, and try to pursue women in ways that are respectful, egalitarian and 'non-objectifying'. They get called 'nice guys' and 'potential rapists' just the same.

The Sanity Inspector said...

I'm putting my academically gifted daughter into STEM-intensive high school. If it turns out to be a wrong move, at least there'll be plenty of time for her to change course later. And the rigor and hard work ought to fit her for most other endeavors later in life, much better than if she entered a soft science field and then tried to switch to STEM.

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