Saturday, February 8, 2014

No sympathy for the stupid

Of either sex. Morpheus notes that men these days have no excuse for being caught off-guard by female nature:
Deti, you and I grew up when this information was not widely available or accessible. There was no Internet. There was no Roissy or Rollo. No one had formulated this body of knowledge yet. We can be forgiven our mistakes out of ignorance. Men today have no excuse with the easy accessibility of reading and learning this material. Probably serves him right if this Laura Fraser divorce rapes him and he gets killed on child support once she hits the 7-10 year ennui realizing she “loves him” but “isn’t IN LOVE with him”.
This is true of women as well. They have NO EXCUSE for getting pumped-and-dumped by an Alpha player. The information is out there. The processes and mechanisms are very well understood and articulated. The female 7 who tries to lock down a relationship with a male 9 with sex has no excuse for being surprised by the outcome, no more than a delta male who marries a thirty-something single mother who is superficially out of his league does when she suddenly gets unhappy and decides she would prefer an unemployed boyfriend and a well-funded divorce.

The facts are out there. The truth is out there. If you're going to persist in delusion and denial, that's absolutely fine, but don't expect anyone to have sympathy for you when your obviously terrible decisions produce the expected consequences.

22 comments:

tz said...

But feminism, keynesianis, and Obamacare are adults what the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy are to children our children

Game, austrian economics, abd libertarianism only appearin people who have evicted their hamsters.

Conscientia Republicae said...

I ate my hamster's liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Booch Paradise said...

I will say, that it's only been 4 years now since I discovered the androsphere. I only discovered it because of VOX POPOLI which I only found because of reading Vox's blog at WND. With that one key into the sphere, it all cracked wide open, but prior to that I never even knew any of this existed. I've introduced other people to the some of the blogs like heartiste, and MMSL, but I can't recall a single time where when I've done so, the other people had already heard of those bloggers, or that someone else tried to introduce me to any of these blogs. I also can't really think of any time where a main steam news source that I follow has referenced anything in the androsphere. I admit, I'm not the most voracious reader online, but I'm certainly above average. And outside of the androsphere, mostly the only "don't get married" advice I've heard has just amounted to "My wife is an insufferable bitch, so you shouldn't get married".

So basically what I'm saying is that while this stuff is out there and it's more main steam that it was before, the androsphere still is not part of the public's awareness.

And that said, that only really applies to men. Women are told all the time from parents, teachers, TV shows, and most everyone else that they should be avoiding players. Of course most female sources only say that with their mouths, while their actions say "go for it".

Chris M said...

Too bad political correctness has destroyed any chance men have to give women constructive criticism whenever we come across examples of their shitty behaviour.

I agree Vox, there's no excuse. I don't buy that women aren't capable of correcting their own behaviour, but it would certaintly happen a lot quicker and more effectively if men and the broader culture were to apply a firmer set of rules for when women are younger so that, while they won't necessarily understand it at the time, when they're older they'll appreciate it.

Chris M said...

Too bad political correctness has destroyed any chance men have to give women constructive criticism whenever we come across examples of their shitty behaviour.

I agree Vox, there's no excuse. I don't buy that women aren't capable of correcting their own behaviour, but it would certaintly happen a lot quicker and more effectively if men and the broader culture were to apply a firmer set of rules for when women are younger so that, while they won't necessarily understand it at the time, when they're older they'll appreciate it.

everybodyhatesscott said...

"Women are told all the time from parents, teachers, TV shows, and most everyone else that they should be avoiding players"

They really aren't. I have less sympathy for women because they generally double down on the bad advice (the short hair post comments confirm this) but most young women were given the same stupid terrible advice men were.

Feather Blade said...

And if anyone bothered to read and apply the books of Proverbs, neither the nature of men nor the nature of women would be any surprise to anybody ever, and we could do away with the entire "one sex is more virtuous than the other" sophistry.

Not even Deti and Morpheus' generation have any excuse for not knowing this.

mmaier2112 said...

So after watching both brothers marry women they maybe shouldn't have (I hope to be proven wrong), what's the best way to open mens' eyes and making sure that they stay open?

I have a 14 year old nephew awakening to girls and I'd like to figure out constructive ways to apply this stuff to someone that WILL not get it from his immediate family.

It's probably too late for the 19 year old niece in college. I tried warning her off men and how slick we are. Maybe I should have told her just how extreme/aggressive some of my own behavior was in the past?

cailcorishev said...

Women are told all the time from parents, teachers, TV shows, and most everyone else that they should be avoiding players

Officially, maybe. But they're also provided with thousands of romance novels and numerous movies which basically boil down to, "Find the guy who seems like a player but is really a softy on the inside." Or, "If you're enough of a special princess -- and you are, of course! -- you'll be able to find the player of your dreams and tame him." They don't call the men in question players, usually, but that's what they mean.

They made a movie in 1987 that isn't even subtle about it: The Pick-Up Artist, with Molly Ringwald and Robert Downey, Jr. Downey plays a smooth cad who picks up and lays Ringwald -- not because she's a slut, of course, but because she was vulnerable because of her drunk dad, blah blah blah. But she's so special that he ends up smitten with her, and she plays him while he chases her around like a sad puppy, until he gets a chance to white-knight for her and win her love by saving her dad.

That's what some part of a woman's hamster is whispering when she sleeps with an obvious player: this one is different, this time is different. Pretty much just like a guy who keeps buying flowers for girls even though his experience should teach him to stop: this time it will win her heart.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I had to learn all this stuff on my own, without help from male relatives.

For years I was so focused on a woman's pussy that I totally ignored her hamster.

The truth finally dawned on me in my mid- to late-twenties and I haven't looked back since.

Tin Man said...

So true. Ignorance is not an excuse or a reason for being surprised. There is only way, educate yourself, test it in your own life, keep what works, discard the rest. Life is trial and error - don't hate the trail, and never get discouraged by the error.

Chicks dig scars.

Lamont Cranston said...

I don't think you can help young men. Not really. Daddy said, "Always look at her mama. Do you want to wake up next to her mama for the rest of your life?"

I could NOT believe that my young hottie would turn into a 250 pound land-whale.

Look at her mama, boys. They ALL turn into their mama.

2870b918-77c0-11e3-b9bd-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Game, austrian economics, and libertarianism only appear in people who have evicted their hamsters.

At least in the case of libertarianism, the hamsters don't always stay evicted. Over at Pharyngula, a leftist/feminist site where they loathe libertarians, I keep seeing "I used to be a libertarian until I learned better" posts. And one of my brothers became a libertarian in college, but later moved in with our parents and got a steady diet of welfare-statist propaganda from my dad. He (my brother) is now a full-on leftist, and (despite two divorces) a feminist.

Trust said...

@: I keep seeing "I used to be a libertarian until I learned better" posts.
__________

You can pretty much bet that "former libertarians" never were libertarians, they're just trying to portray their beliefs as an "eye or mind opening."

Like the Republican Women for Obama, they are more likely to be the local Democratic chairman than a Republican.

2870b918-77c0-11e3-b9bd-000bcdcb8a73 said...

You can pretty much bet that "former libertarians" never were libertarians, they're just trying to portray their beliefs as an "eye or mind opening."

Might be true for the Pharangulans, but I know my brother really was one.

Eric said...

Women are told all the time from parents, teachers, TV shows, and most everyone else that they should be avoiding players

Not that I can see. Women are being told to avoid marriage until after they've "lived life". If a woman is delaying (deliberately) marriage into her 30s, from her point of view there's no reason to avoid players in her early 20s.

Aquinas Dad said...

"We can be forgiven our mistakes out of ignorance."
Not by me. This fable that in 1959 men and churches all instantly became feminized and no one was able to deal with women until roosh appeared from under a cabbage leaf is as hilarious and the feminist belief that prior to 1968 women just weren't allowed to work outside the home. Push them on it and they will reluctantly admit it isn't *exactly* true, then they go right back to thinking, speaking, and acting as if it were.

Eric said...

It wasn't 1959, but there was definitely a shift in the '70s. Ideas accepted as truth by most people, like the idea that men and women are fundamentally different, were systematically attacked by the education establishment in the name of promoting equality. And yes, in the churches too. Sure, lots of guys figured it out on their own, or had an older male relative willing to be frank. But a lot didn't.

It wasn't instant, but it couldn't have been more than seven or eight years. Where I grew up you were considered sexist (and therefor evil) if you suggested there might be more to this man/woman thing than the plumbing.

Desiderius said...

Men came home from WWII on an all-time alpha high. Their wives raised their sons to be a little more beta (effeminate) after being burned one too many times by their husband's dalliances, likewise their daughters, the boomers, looked for a little more beta in their mating choices. They then raised their sons even more beta to the point that the market flooded, and the women in that SMP started seeking more alpha. Unfortunately, due to the cultural dominance of the boomers, that demand was never met with supply, as boomer women strongly discouraged anyone from promoting anything masculine.

The younger women have taken their alpha (masculinity) wherever they can find it, and its only been offered by players. We have a largely black market SMP and likely will until the boomers pass.

Marissa said...

Men came home from WWII on an all-time alpha high. Their wives raised their sons to be a little more beta (effeminate) after being burned one too many times by their husband's dalliances

Can you explain a little more? I think the men who came home from WW2 were scarred and traumatized. The art of the time--Norman Rockwell, family-centered sitcoms--seems to reflect what men craved: stability, optimism, trust in institutions, etc. For the first time in American history, more people started living in suburbs than farms and the hard work associated with that life was lessened by technological advances, moreso for the housewife than her husband.

My understanding of this time period's social environment is not strong, though. Any recommendations for research? I've read Bowling Alone and The Feminine Mystique but they don't quite cover this issue. I think my understanding of it is very one-sided.

de ti said...

Aquinas Dad:

Yes, yes, we know. You've been teaching and writing about traditional masculinity for 100 years. Yes, yes, we know. Anyone who didn't teach it the way YOU teach it isn't a true Christian.

deti

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