Friday, January 10, 2014

Women don't get women

The funniest thing about this young woman's attempt to create the worst online dating profile ever is the way it reveals that she has no idea how terrible women can be or what actually serves as red flags for the average man:
I made the OkCupid profile of the Worst Woman on Earth, hoping to prove that there exists an online dating profile so loathsome that no man would message it. I did not accomplish my goal.... In making this profile, I made sure my creation touched on every major facet of being truly horrible: mean, spoiled, lazy, racist, manipulative, and willfully ignorant, and I threw in a little gold digging just for funzies. I maintain that there is not a human on this planet who would read this profile and think, "Yes, I'd like to spend any amount of the fleeting time I'm given on my journey around the sun getting to know this person." This profile is my magnum opus; it will be engraved on my tombstone.
Let's look at the major facets she described:
  1. Mean: most attractive women are mean. In the immortal words of Heather #1, they are bitches because they can be. Being mean is how women maintain their intrasexual rank. Also, the more Alpha the man, the more a haughty woman tends to draw his attention.
  2. Spoiled: Most women are spoiled. By men. We learn to expect it.
  3. Lazy: Most young women are, by male standards, lazy. For example, I don't know a single young man who has ever asked a young woman for help moving. Why not? Because we know they won't lift a finger to help others unless it is something they enjoy doing or because there is something in it for them.
  4. Racist. These days, that's a major plus in many men's eyes. Does she really think white men are bothered by the fact that she's definitely not a mud shark? It's not as if black men like it when the hottest black women are taken by white men, and Asian men understandably bear considerable resentment on this score. If she wanted to significantly reduce the responses she got from white men, she should have said that she thinks Lenny Kravitz and LeBron James are hot.
  5. Manipulative. Seriously? From the male perspective, what woman isn't manipulative? She might as reasonably said that she has breasts and expected men to be horrified.
  6. Willfully ignorant. Given that this covers every feminist, every Democrat, and most Republicans on the planet, any man who didn't ignore a woman's willful ignorance would be, if not unicorn-hunting, at least searching for a very rare bird indeed.
  7. Gold-digging. Most women are hypergamous. Gold-digging is merely overt economics-focused hypergamy. Problematic, to be sure, but half-expected in the sufficiently attractive.
And what was with all the Aaron Carter stuff anyway? Who the hell is Aaron Carter? All men already know that women listen to crap music, so what difference could it possibly make whether it is one terrible pop artist versus another terrible pop artist? Does she think the fake profile would have been one iota less off-putting if she had pretended to be a Justin Bieber or One Direction or Beyonce fan like tens of millions of young women genuinely are?

What she should have done instead is posted something more like this:
  1. i have a great job! i love my life as a guidance counselor in the Women's Studies department at UG! Go Dawgs!
  2. i am ten tonnz of snarky fun! If u can't handel that, u run!!!
  3. no Republicunz! No hate! 1 Luv!
  4. i will leave u for Taye Diggs if he ever ask me 2!!!! Fair warning, ayight?
  5. love me, love my cats. i haz 4! They can haz cheezburger.
  6. my main man LaThomas iz my life. he iz Gods gift 2 me!
  7. i am a big and beautiful woman. If u only like anorexy bitchez, u ain't man enough for me.#truedat
She'd still get some responses, I'm sure, but not nearly as many. This just illustrates, again, why it is worse than useless to take advice from women concerning how to attract other women.

43 comments:

Krul said...

Her idea of "racist" is in the "Six things I could never do without" section:

$$$, my car, my phone, keeping america american, my family, my friends, Aaron Carter

This sticks out like a sore thumb in the profile. Most of the content is directed toward creating the impression that she is an amoral narcissist who shamelessly takes advantage of others, particularly her parents. It's not credible that such a self absorbed creature would give a damn about family and friends, let alone "america".

Adam Lawson said...

It also doesn't help that a reasonably attractive woman was the profile picture.

Try it again with a picture of one of the girls I dated when I was still a "nice guy" (aka beta chump) -- only use their picture from today, not ten years ago.

Note to be crass, but: The amount of shit we'll put up with is in direct proportion with how happy you make our dicks. It's a REALLY SIMPLY equation and it goes both ways: The amount of shit a woman will put up with is also in direct proportion to the tingles she gets. How many complete and total asshole losers has this woman dated in her life? I bet the number is higher than 0.

Joe A. said...

I don't think there is anything a woman can do to keep every man uninterested in her once she has identified herself as being female. There are always a few super-chodes or omegas that will pursue regardless.

Huggums said...

Aaron Carter is the younger brother of Backstreet Boys member Nick Carter. He came to fame as a preteen doing godawful rap music in the 90s. I'm not surprised you have no idea who he is since he was about my age. He was our Justin Bieber back in the day basically. Your analysis is correct of course. I wouldn't be able to date anyone my own age if I disqualified them on the basis of liking him or lil bow wow or lil romeo or any of that awful bs. As long as I don't have to hear it all the time.

cailcorishev said...

Yep. As I said at the time, the profile she created was more attractive than some legitimate ones I've seen. Most of the stuff that she thought was offensive just came off as flighty and silly, like she might actually have a fun sense of humor but not enough brains to express it well. Combine that with the heavy lol-speak and bad spelling, and you get...a typical hot chick who put about 5 minutes into creating her profile, probably while painting her nails and chatting with a friend. Nothing unusual. Combine that with a picture of a girl who looks like she might blow you while waiting for the appetizers to arrive, and what's not to like?

The article was good, though, for showing just how much women get approached online. 150 messages in 24 hours, based on a pretty good picture! If a man posted a picture of George Clooney and said he works in "entertainment" and makes the maximum income range, I wonder if he'd get that much interest. It really puts the lie to the idea that there's any comparison at all between how much men and women get approached. We regularly get claims in and around the manosphere that there are lots of pretty, virtuous girls out there who just never get asked on dates. Well, girls, spend 10 minutes creating a dating profile -- heck, just put up a picture of your pretty face and leave the rest blank -- and you'll get asked 100+ times tomorrow. Not by 100 quality men, it's true, but they claim not to be getting asked at all. That's just silly; they're obviously lying or keeping men away.

His Lordship said...

Men will give preference to bad girls much as women will give preference to bad boys. It is simple human nature to desire what will destroy you, and to be a blind fool.

Men are as worthy of contempt as are women, for after all, do not men reward the folly of women in these days when the folly of women is most destructive? Do not you seek excuses, such as "I might otherwise have to do without" or "I can change her with sex"?

And you wonder why you cannot sustain a civilisation.

Feather Blade said...

"As I said at the time, the profile she created was more attractive than some legitimate ones I've seen."

This is why you can't have nice things: you keep rewarding those who appeal to the lowest common denominator.

martel5150 said...

Using an attractive picture means she's going to get male attention. Period.

Even if she did Vox's profile recommendations exactly (save the BBW stuff, obviously) but with a good pic, she would have gotten asked out a lot.

What she's experiencing is the same sense of disillusion lots of guys feel when they see the lazy, unemployed Alpha go home with yet another new hottie. We tend to think the opposite sex finds stuff attractive that it shouldn't, especially if we're not attractive ourselves.

Martel

Yohami said...

The male responses she got are fucking awful

I did a fake profile once with the picture of a girl I was starting to date. It opened my eyes big time

cailcorishev said...

Men will give preference to bad girls much as women will give preference to bad boys.

Only if they're hot. Ugly bad girls are not in demand. Men will take a hot bad girl over an ugly good one, but the preference is for the hotness, not the badness. Put a hot bad girl up against a hot good girl, and some men will go for the bad one, but many (most?) will take the good one.

That's very different from women, where a hot bad boy will beat a hot good boy every time, and an ugly bad boy will beat a hot good boy much of the time.

cailcorishev said...

This is why you can't have nice things: you keep rewarding those who appeal to the lowest common denominator.

That's your frame of the lowest common denominator, but it has little to do with what a man finds attractive, or even what will make a man happy to live with for the rest of his life. If I looked at that profile objectively, not knowing the backstory, I'd think, "Hmm, she doesn't seem too bright. But she's hot (very important), she seems to have a sense of humor (fairly important), and she's not afraid to say what she thinks (a mild positive). Certainly worth a message, to find out whether she's serious about the "ur rich" stuff or just screwing around.

"They" say words are only 7% of communication. In a girl's dating profile, they're worth a lot less than that, because most profiles are loaded with lies and posturing. All that really matters is her picture -- which you're hoping was taken less than 50 pounds ago -- and the rest you figure you'll find out about later if she actually exists and agrees to meet.

moosenorseman said...

If she really wanted to make the world's worst profile, why did she use a model (her words) for the profile pic, and not a tattooed, nose-ringed, shaved-head fatty? We all know that every word a girl writes in her profile is likely a lie, so the only thing we are going to put even a modicum of belief in is the photo.

Marissa said...

She was attractive and openly honest about her failings (those failings which most men implicitly expect to deal with in women). It was basically a top 5% dating profile based on the former alone. Women don't want to admit how much physical attractiveness is important to men and how their other bullshit is basically just put up with for the sake of access to an attractive woman.

What's funny is it shows how meaningless is the other stuff added to women's dating profiles--rule no. 1 for them should be: Be attractive (sounds familiar, and I'm sure you can guess what rule no. 1 is).

Mark said...

This is just another example of how online dating is a waste of time for most guys. Any attractive female is going to get a hundred emails in 24 hours. If this was a real instead of fake profile, your chance of being the one out of a hundred guys getting a response back is very small. This experiment was supposed to show that a lot of the guys emailing women are shallow and just interested in looks but a lot of women on these sites are just as shallow and will only respond to the best looking guy. So you'll be passed over in most cases for that best looking guy. Then when the best looking guy does a pump and dump on her because he has hordes of other women after him that he also wants to sleep with, the female will then whine about how men on internet dating sites just want sex. Mature men would look for attractive women but also women who share similar interests and are of good character and mature women would respond back to those guys. Mature people of either sex are in short supply these days. You can find them on internet dating sites but it's like sifting through tons of mud to find that one nugget of gold.

cailcorishev said...

The only positive thing in this for men is that, as you can see from the responses she got, it doesn't take much to stand out from the crowd if a girl is looking for quality at all. An awful lot of the guys sending messages on dating sites really are either pathetic or just saying "Want some dick?" If you're agonizing over how to structure your 500-word missive to best impress her, don't bother. If you can string together two sentences without sounding like you need a ghost writer, you're way ahead of the pack.

That still doesn't mean you'll get responses; 150 messages/day is an easy pile to get lost in, and most of the hot chicks are filtering out all the guys who aren't 6-foot-plus and college-educated with a six-figure income anyway. But at least if you keep your message short and sweet you won't be wasting much time on them.

Natalie said...

To be fair, this is a good bit of what women see/hear about bad wives/girlfriends. "She's lazy. She's a bitch. She says dumb crap in public. Etc." Go on MMSL, and you'll see it. Now, the men are there because wifey ain't putting out, but that's not the first thing you notice about an unhappy relationship. You see the bitching, the nagging, the stupid social crap etc. The BBW dyke type.......isn't in a relationship. That should prove they're unattractive, but these women end up being outside her realm of observation because men are griping/unhappy with women they would otherwise find attractive. The men don't care about the unattractive ones and therefore aren't observed in connection with them. Therefore, based on what this girl has seen of relationships, she wrote this profile without realizing that for a guy to even complain about dating a girl she has to be........datable.

Ecclesiastes said...

First, her profile made her sound stupid, which means she might could be had.

Second, her profile did not make her sound especially bad, compared with women in general. They are all kind of like that.

lostsailor32 said...

Ms. Reed was shocked--SHOCKED--that men would be so stupid as to message a hot 25-year-old alcoholic drug abuser who is looking for casual sex.

She writes: I figured any profile with photos of a beautiful woman would get a few messages from men whose boners were willing to overlook her personality.

And promptly misses the point. These men don't give a flying fuck about her personality. They're already forewarned about her horrible behavior and simply are looking to bust a nut and move on. Low-hanging fruit and all.

Why? Because they're men. But apparently that makes them bad men: Want to guess how well that worked? I'll give you a hint: I'm confiscating everyone's penis until further notice.

I doubt she'd be able to get close enough to a real penis to carry that one out...

lostsailor32 said...

Plus, the profile said she likes dogs and hates cats, so she can't be all bad...

Tommy Hass said...

"His Lordship said...
Men will give preference to bad girls much as women will give preference to bad boys. It is simple human nature to desire what will destroy you, and to be a blind fool.

Men are as worthy of contempt as are women, for after all, do not men reward the folly of women in these days when the folly of women is most destructive? Do not you seek excuses, such as "I might otherwise have to do without" or "I can change her with sex"?

And you wonder why you cannot sustain a civilisation."

I prefer monotheists over atheists every day of the week, but having these Mark Driscoll expys on here is just ludicrous.

There's no such thing as a "bad girl" you fool. Men are deserving of contempt but in a completely different manner: they are deserving because they ALLOWED women to be this way, not because they are actually bad themselves.

His Lordship said...

Put a hot bad girl up against a hot good girl, and some men will go for the bad one, but many (most?) will take the good one.

Provided that her "hotness" is equal to that of the bad girl, of course; if she is not as hot, well, it is hardly your fault that you will pursue the bad.

Oh, it is a pity that "hotness" is not based upon modesty and chastity, but best attained by donning the uniform and manner of the streetwalker, is it not? If only "good girls" would shed their modesty, discard their scruples about tempting men into wrongful lust, and parade about half-naked and unchaste in seeming (if not in being, oh yes)! Then you mortal men could choose wisely yourselves. It is the women's fault, all the women's fault; a man can hardly be expected to see when he is so deeply in lust.

But until this deep unfairness can be remedied, you must continue to take hot coals into your bosoms and attempt to fuck them into not burning you--and if they do burn you, well, you are the victims, of course. You have no choice. You must answer the call of the flame and set yourselves alight, and it is the fault of the fire that you are consumed.

Bah, mortals. It is well your lives are so short, else the howling of your self-imposed sufferings would deafen the universe.

His Lordship said...

There's no such thing as a "bad girl" you fool. Men are deserving of contempt but in a completely different manner: they are deserving because they ALLOWED women to be this way, not because they are actually bad themselves.

Then you believe that men should "man up and marry that slut" to help her on the path to virtue, and should she misbehave, it is the fault of men for failing to "guide her into the Kingdom"?

I am sorry, what were you saying of Mark Driscoll?

Weouro said...

If only "good girls" would shed their modesty, discard their scruples about tempting men into wrongful lust, and parade about half-naked and unchaste in seeming

Girls who go after "modesty" as a positive instead of a mitigated immodesty are way attractive. But how many do you see in dresses to the ankle and sleeves to the elbow? I almost always talk to that kind of girl when I see one. Pretty Mennonites are way more attractive than pretty party girls.

Feather Blade said...

"Ms. Reed was shocked--SHOCKED--that men would be so stupid as to message a hot 25-year-old alcoholic drug abuser who is looking for casual sex. "

Isn't the original point of most of most of those dating sites to expose people of both sexes to a wider variety of potential spouses?

It's shocking that she would expect men to use a website for its intended purpose, rather than as a bordello's menu board?

Hermit said...

My greatest impression by the game profile is "this girl puts out". If I were the type of person that went for that, I would have managed get too.

Tommy Hass said...

"Then you believe that men should "man up and marry that slut" to help her on the path to virtue, and should she misbehave, it is the fault of men for failing to "guide her into the Kingdom"?

I am sorry, what were you saying of Mark Driscoll?"

You used "bad girl" as if it was analogous to "bad boy" (it isn't). Men aren't deserving of the contempt that modern women are...at least not the same way. They birthed this monster. They aren't a monster though which you seem to be implying. (kind of like how fatherless girls don't actually cause damage, they merely create more fatherless kids as opposed to fatherless boys who ACTUALLY do the damage)

Yohami said...

"kind of like how fatherless girls don't actually cause damage"

Define damage

"they merely create more fatherless kids"

That aint damage?

"fatherless boys who ACTUALLY do the damage"

So fatherless girls give birth to fatherless boys who do damage, but giving birth to fatherless boys is not damage on itself. Am I getting it right? if so please go ahead and explain your mess.



Marissa said...

Isn't the original point of most of most of those dating sites to expose people of both sexes to a wider variety of potential spouses?

It's shocking that she would expect men to use a website for its intended purpose, rather than as a bordello's menu board?


Are you aware that on OKCupid, you can adjust your settings to determine whether you're looking for casual sex all the way up to a long-term relationship partner? You're naive if you think it's a marriage site.

Duke of Earl said...

That's very different from women, where a hot bad boy will beat a hot good boy every time, and an ugly bad boy will beat a hot good boy much of the time.

That's because the hotness comes from being "bad" or at least distinctive, whereas for women the hotness comes from appearance and presentation. Game 101

I had a similar reaction reading this article. She tried to make it sound like men were at fault for looking at the picture and passing over her created "character flaws". However since guys are used to crazy women (that's all of them) we only really worry about looks.

Adam Lawson said...

A second thought. Someone needs to play for her the bit by Patrice O'Neal where he says, "We start with 'pussy' and move up to 'can you read?'"

Jason said...

I saw this a while ago and thought it was interesting. I agree your suggested profile would be much more of a turn off than the one she posted.

I think one thing she failed to appreciate that plenty of the guys who contacted her probably were thinking of her as a relatively easy pump and dump. They would take the risk of sticking their dick in crazy because she is attractive and it isn't like her personality matters all that much in such a case.

tz said...

Man up - but doesn't that imply Woman down?

LP 999/Eliza said...

I love it, this is hilarious. But!

She needs more credentialismsszzz.

Expendable Faceless Minion said...

I once asked a magnificent young woman to help me move, and she showed up and worked very, very hard. Smoking hot with many boyfriends, mostly from her martial arts classes, she was partially paying for college by nude modeling in art classes. All the guys knew each other and were friends. She had attended sexaholics anonymous for a while, but apparently decided her time was better spent bed hopping.

Additionally, she simply didn't lie, it was beneath her dignity and dropped anyone caught lying to her. One night cuddling, she told me she could never really talk to girls; I didn't understand at the time, but it's obvious the honesty requirement nuked all her girlfriend relationships. While she certainly had female sex buddies, apparently none of them were close.

She loved men, loved sex, and grew up reading Heinlein.

LibertyPortraits said...

Everyone has their own snowflake story Expendable.

Dexter said...

I once asked a magnificent young woman to help me move, and she showed up and worked very, very hard.

What, she didn't offer to send over her countless beta minions to help you?

And why inna hell did you ask a worthless female to help you move? Females are useless for that purpose. They think their job is to stand there looking pretty, and maybe lift an empty laundry basket or something.

Jason said...

I'd also defend that women aren't completely useless when moving, at least not always.

The couple of times i've moved with the wife and some of the other married couples from church helped moved. The girls did a really good set of tasks. They packed the kitchen while the guys moved the furniture and did the heavy lifting and then at the other end they started unpacking the kitchen and other rooms while the guys did all the lifting again.

We had the kitchen and the living areas and some of the bedrooms good to go when we finished moving. The girls were not useless at all, unless you are counting useless as "didn't really lift much of anything".

Blaximus said...

Racism is a character flaw. Its never good ( unless you are a racist yourself ) to want a woman to be racist. It is a measure of her intelligence. racisim is easy for lazy minded people.

Blaximus said...

.... whew, the b.s. racial crap never ceases in the Manosphere. It seems to be built in.

Expendable Faceless Minion said...

Hey Dexter. She didn't have minions, she knew guys she liked to have sex with, who liked having sex with her. I didn't want the other guys, since it would have interfered with the goodbye dinner and sex after the work.

And she wasn't worthless, (martial arts classes) she was pretty strong.

Not sure what a snowflake story is, but if you're just being insulting, feel free to revel in it.

Feather Blade said...

The girls were not useless at all, unless you are counting useless as "didn't really lift much of anything".

Based on his earlier post, I suspect that Dexter counts as useless any human that is not male.

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