Thursday, January 2, 2014

Beat Game

From the Neal Cassady letter that Jack Kerouac described as The Great Sex Letter:
I was sitting on the bus when it took on more passengers at Indianapolis, Indiana – a perfectly proportioned beautiful, intellectual, passionate, personification of Venus De Milo asked me if the seat beside me was taken!!! I gulped, (I'm drunk) gargled & stammered NO! (Paradox of expression, after all, how can one stammer No!!?) She sat – I sweated – She started to speak, I knew it would be generalities, so to tempt her I remained silent.

She (her name Patricia) got on the bus at 8 PM (Dark!) I didn't speak until 10 PM – in the intervening 2 hours I not only of course, determined to make her, but, how to DO IT.

I naturally can't quote the conversation verbally, however, I shall attempt to give you the gist of it from 10 PM to 2 AM.

Without the slightest preliminaries of objective remarks (what's your name? where are you going? etc.) I plunged into a completely knowing, completely subjective, personal & so to speak "penetrating her core" way of speech; to be shorter (since I'm getting unable to write) by 2 AM I had her swearing eternal love, complete subjectivity to me & immediate satisfaction. I, anticipating even more pleasure, wouldn't allow her to blow me on the bus, instead we played, as they say, with each other.
From this letter, we can discern two things. First, the Chateau is correct and there is an element of sociopathy to natural player behavior. If you're familiar with On the Road or the story of its real-life inspiration, then you're aware that Cassady was not entirely all there, either in terms of sanity or conscience. But he was, sexually speaking, a definite ALPHA. Women respond powerfully and sexually to sociopaths; it's not a coincidence that women used to faint at Adolf Hitler's speeches. Certain elements of Game do involve the imitation of sociopathic behavior, and this is why some decent men would rather lose women they desire and permit their marriages to fail than behave in the necessary manner.

Second, the natural behavior that Game imitates has been around much longer than even most theoreticians of Game realize. Once one knows what to look for, one can find elements of Game in the works of Flaubert, of Dostoevsky, and even Shikibu. When one considers that the latter dates back to the 11th century, it should be apparent that there is nothing new about it, there is only the recognition of something that has been obscured and buried by feminism, and before that, the chivalric social mores of mid-20th century America.

Sociopathy is rising in America for the reason that we have lionized the Neal Cassady's of the nation while simultaneously emancipating female desire from its former social strictures. Young women are now free to pursue whomever attracts them, without any practical guidance from their parents or female elders, and history teaches very clearly that the men who most attract young women are sociopaths and societally destructive narcissists.

This is why knowledge of Game is so important to society. If its artificial practitioners refuse to utilize it, too many of them will continue to lose out to the naturals and eventually become grass-eating herbs with no interest in constructively participating in society.

29 comments:

tz said...

It is evwn more important for women toknow it, as it is a part of "know thyself". The fences were not there to keep them in, but to keep other things out.

I don't think it is so much the imitation of sociopathic behavior as simply asserting and taking control. We've defined being a head of the household as sociopathic? I believe that just as sex is good only when confined to marriage, within marriage, the husband has to be the king and warrior. Not a diplo-door-mat. It is not your wife you are fighting, but the demons tempting her.

e96dd1c6-d05b-11e2-ad29-000bcdcb2996 said...

There's another factor...young women knowing they will be drawn to sociopaths, and compensating.

dannyfrom504.com said...

i keep having to remind guys that game isn't simply a means to get laid, but a tool to make you the type of person people want to be around.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

i keep having to remind guys that game isn't simply a means to get laid, but a tool to make you the type of person people want to be around.

And what if you don't want to be around other people but still wish to get laid?

Logos said...

With this post you have demonstrated the inherent contradiction of practicing game in an effort to "save civilization." Civilization is incompatible with the female sexual impulse, which is geared toward uncivilized men. To lionize such men as "alpha" or to expend time and energy aping their primitive behavior does nothing to advance civilization, but rather to unravel it. Rather than dance to the tune of female sexual preferences, any civilization worthy of the name combats, represses, and shames them. Game is a staple of matriarchy that pits men against each other in an unproductive Darwinian struggle for female approval; taboos and restraints are a staple of patriarchy, and civilization, that require women to seek and obtain male approval.

alphaisassumed said...

@ Logos: I heartily concur that we need to repress female sexual instincts. However, until we manage to pull that off, we're stuck with the ugly realities of today.

Certain Alpha behaviors are barbaric, but others most certainly are not. As a Christian who wants to "save civliization" myself, it's become readily apparent to me that if decent men forgo Game they merely surrender the field to the barbarians.

Should women based their sexual/maritial decisions based on something other than tingles? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. But they don't. Nearly everything the world has to offer is leading them astray.

Decent Christian men therefore need to become strong decent Christian men so as to be able to out-attract the barbarians. Otherwise, only the assholes will be able to breed. Christian men can't be good fathers who influence their daughters' decisions if they can't even get a date.

And although Game is a skill men have to learn, afterwards "women seek and obtain male approval" from those who've learned it.

Nothing will destroy civilization faster than hoardes of decent men without a prayer in the sexual market. Only when such men again rule society can we hope to re-construct a healthy patriarchy.

Martel

CarpeOro said...

"There's another factor...young women knowing they will be drawn to sociopaths, and compensating. "

Survey says... results show little difference between being "knowing" and "unknowing" and following their instincts to be drawn to the sociopaths.

Regarding tactics of Game, I'm sure Casanova and Don Juan had plenty of suggestions also that would be recognized today.

Logos, with your post you demonstrate the inherent failure of Blue Pill types to read all of what is written about the nature of Game here. There are any number of posts you can search for, but to spell it out again... Game as it is discussed here is a area of knowledge. A tool. Just like a hammer, a baseball bat, or a knife it has a form and aspects that allow it to be used or misused. Recognizing that there were men like Neal Cassaday that were very successful with women because they used game is not the same as lionizing them. Do you find it necessary to chastise baseball players because someone else used a bat to bludgeon someone to death? Examining a tool doesn't require that YOU misuse it, only that you are aware of all its capabilities and features. Understanding how women react to external stimuli means being able to direct them with care and intelligence to achieve the desired outcome. If all outcomes of such direction appear dark and manipulative to you... perhaps it is you that is fully steeped in what the matriarchy wants you to think. Because they are certainly working to manipulate you every day for their desired ends and have no qualms in using anything (including the violence and force of law) to get their way.
Is it time to concede the entire civilization as failed and just give up? That works as well as saying we should use the tools that no longer exists in order to save it. Women will start seeking male approval only when that becomes important to them again. Not because you wish them to. Game can be used to restore that balance.

His Lordship said...

i keep having to remind guys that game isn't simply a means to get laid, but a tool to make you the type of person people want to be around.

Which people?

His Lordship said...

Be that as it may, I wholeheartedly approve of this strategy. It is best, by all means, to pretend to care nothing for anyone but oneself. In that way, you may lead by example others to do the same, cauterising their souls against charity or industry, and create that which you claim to wish prevented.

I could do much with such a world.

Doom said...

Question. What if the parents, good by all accounts, socially and culturally normative, conservative, religious, find the sociopath narcissist acceptable? Or, are they also being fooled?

I do have some doubts about the notion, however. A sociopath and some other things may seem quite similar. There is a very large difference, however, and a conscience separates the forms, I think. Is a sociopath, or other dread ilk, even capable of... guilt?

GG said...

"...Women respond powerfully and sexually to sociopaths..."

Forgive me VD, but you have the uncanny ability to come so close, so very close... and then to veer so far off into the abyss all one can do is watch you float away.

Women respond to whomever is in CHARGE. It has nothing to do with being attracted to sociopaths or sociopathic behavior. Our world, our culture, has put a whole lot of sociopaths in positions of authority. They aren't attractive because of the way they act, they're attractive because of the power they hold. If pirates ran the world, we'd love pirates. If nerds held all the cards, we'd love nerds.

The flip side of that for some women is the pity factor. We will lay down in the railroad tracks to try and "fix" a sociopath. It's not really sexual attraction, it's a symptom of female pride, we believe that our love and our sexuality should be powerful enough to cure what ails them. That's a small percent of the population, however. Most women are not that interested in martyrdom and the odds of getting yourself killed.

If you feel like game is making you act like a sociopath, well, you just might be a sociopath. Apologies, but some of the men who seem to want to use God's game to simply score with numerous women and seek revenge on the entire gender really are fricken sociopaths. The female collateral damage you cast off will probably take her frustration out on the next half dozen men she meets. It's like the neverending story of stupid.

Retrenched said...

'The flip side of that for some women is the pity factor. We will lay down in the railroad tracks to try and "fix" a sociopath. It's not really sexual attraction'

There are a lot of socially awkward and nerdy men who women could take pity on and 'fix' too, but there seem to be remarkably few women interested in doing so... very odd that.

Weouro said...

Maybe women are attracted to sociopathic males because women are themselves sociopathic. They seem to mostly fit the Urban Dictionary definition, anyway. There was also that observation VD made a while back about how women don't really have friends, which why they have the manufactured BFF thing. That's kind of sociopathic. They can also be brutally committed to maintaining their places and transferring allegiance in a social group.

Retrenched said...

@ Weouro

Nah, I don't think so. My guess is that women are wired to interpret sociopathic behavior from men as an indicator of alpha status, because in prehistoric times a man could not act like a sociopath and get away with it, unless he really was the alpha of the group, the village, the tribe, etc. So women see sociopath or jerk behavior and find themselves attracted to the men who act that way, without really understanding why – and, often, without admitting that attraction to themselves, let alone anyone else.

Similarly, women are most likely sexually repulsed by nice behavior from men because it betrays an eagerness to please one's peers – i.e. an indicator of beta status, or weakness.

Bogey said...

"So sociopathy has its privileges. But no nation of sociopaths ever put a man on the moon."

I will accept from here out that Alpha is a status I will not achieve, nor want to if I must become a sociapath. Game shall remain situational, and gladly so.

His Lordship said...

Maybe women are attracted to sociopathic males because women are themselves sociopathic.

A speculation which justifies anything. Bravo.

His Lordship said...

I will accept from here out that Alpha is a status I will not achieve, nor want to if I must become a sociapath.

You are, therefore, condemned to being a "grass-eating herb" and not useful.

GG said...

"You are, therefore, condemned to being a "grass-eating herb" and not useful."

In VD's defense, he said "elements" of sociopathy, not full blown sociopathic behavior. I would hope there is some middle ground between "grass eating herb" and a sociopath.

What an abysmal state of affairs if we have men who think or feel as if standing up and leading is sociopathic? Where I come from, what is really sociopathic is to be completely obsessed with a girl's approval, to be overly friendly, to be needy, too be trying to hard to please. Those kind of men are simply scary. You know they want something, you just aren't quite sure what.

Retrenched said...

Those girls who posted selfies on Twitter with the Boston bomber's name written on their bare breasts and asses most likely weren't thinking of his salvation or 'fixing' him out of pity, I'm guessing.

Weouro said...

My guess is that women are wired to interpret sociopathic behavior from men as an indicator of alpha status

But perhaps that wiring is sociopathic. In Game, the idea is that men are attracted to beauty and women are attracted to power. But a desire for power is sociopathic, is it not? Maybe that innate sociopathy is why women weren't able to produce civilizations as men have done. What could be more antisocial than matriarchy?

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"And what if you don't want to be around other people but still wish to get laid?"

Lol. I was going to post something similar.

It's a struggle when on the one hand one is an attractive, charming sociopath, but on the other hand a born maverick.

mickeypavic said...

I don't think sociopaths are particularly alpha as compared to how infantilized betas are.

Rollo picked up on this a while ago, that people's sexual strategies don't grow up (don't become mature) and betas are the group most guilty of this. Betas are stuck in an infantilized stage and seek female approval without sexuality (mother's approval?) from females who are seeking male approval through sexuality.

Sociopaths are simply men who have out grown that phase and understand the score better than most.

Even betas retorts are painful to read, all they can muster is, "But I am a good boy and I deserve female approval, women are just being unfair." They want reality to bend and conform to their idealistic (infantilized) world view.

Sure women are sluts but betas are arguably much worse, they are delusional children stuck in men's bodies.

The equivalent would be like a hunter that expects his game to behave like Bugs Bunny rather than conforming his hunting to its actual behaviour and patterns. Maybe it isn't so odd that sociopaths, hood rats and douches have a better understanding of women than nice guys.

Robert said...

Small children and animals loved to be near Hitler. When small children and animals are suspicious of people they are usually right.
Sociopaths normally reveal themselves in childhood by sadism aimed at helpless animals.
No one has suggested any incidents of cruelty to animals in his early years.

Hitler's earliest laws were aimed preventing cruelty to animals.
Have any wild birds landed on your shoulder recently?
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Weouro said...

Beat game could also be called Greyhound Game. On the bus you have big blocs of time with a girl already closer to you than she would be in other situations because of the seating and its boring so by comparison anyone can seem more interesting than he would be normally. Also the Dirty Dog doesn't cater as much to desirable alphas so one can look real good by comparison. if you're traveling by night and you've cultivated some trust she can sink into you as she gets sleepy. Everything about the Greyhound is conducive to seduction and when the fat guy across the aisle pulls out a pack of bologna and eats the whole thing like a sandwich, you start to look good to a girl. I'm sure this happened with Cassady. There are some desirable girls who ride the greyhound, such as European travelers, college students, and Amish.

tweedburst said...

mickeypavic - I don't really know much about "game" but I think you accurately nailed some essential truths. I, unfortunately, have been pretty solidly beta my whole life. Guys in my generation (early GenX) grew up being told by society (and our mothers) "Oh, just be yourself and be 'nice' and girls will like you and you'll settle down and have a happy marriage, kids, and blah, blah." We were taught the false idea that that's what women actually respond to and, further, that "nice" and steady is what we were and what we were meant to be. I guess some of us were dumb enough to believe it and others weren't. It's too complex to go into in detail here but I think that whole world view was part of postwar America's identity of prosperity, stability, and responsibility as the West's superpower positioned opposite the Soviets. That vision of society started really falling apart in the 1970's, decayed badly through the '80's and '90's, and is now a relic.

As society has become almost entirely feminist and focused on serving female consumerist wants of all varieties and female sex needs in as raw a manner as possible, old models of domesticated social pairing and society building have lost almost all value. Add in the supremacy of the state-as-husband model and old social ideas like marriage evaporate. The so-called sociopath is actually just a guy who has recognized and adapted to his real value and measure in a feminist society. He either titallates and gratifies the female for his own ends through behavioristic manipulation or he starves, so to speak.

Old fools like Bill Bennett like to say that women act as a civilizing influence on the wild, hairy male population. There may have been some truth to that a couple of hundred years ago. Today and going forward, women are going to increasingly be a "sociopathizing" influence on men as the so-called sociopaths are rewarded for providing sexual excitement to women along with the thrill of the sort of "seduce and reject" game they enjoy while the clueless, steady, door-holding shlubs are derided, disrespected, and ignored. The future belongs to the "sociopath."

The shlubs will still manage to do some pairing up and reproducing but I think that will continue to decline. Women don't care about who your are; they care about what you are. If you provide a satisfactory level of financial or status value to them, you are worth something to them until someone more exciting comes along. The thing is, though, they don't really care if they married the mailman, their insurance agent, or you. As far as women are concerned, an individual man is a function, not a human being.

Cypher said...

My criteria for what I wanted in a man were there, though in an subconscious form from pre-teen years forward. It was almost a checkoff list. Is he strong enough to defend me and willing to do so? Is he intelligent enough to support me? Can he give me beautiful children? Will he be a good father? Is he kind?

Cypher said...

My criteria for what I wanted in a man were there, though in an subconscious form from pre-teen years forward. It was almost a checkoff list. Is he strong enough to defend me and willing to do so? Is he intelligent enough to support me? Can he give me beautiful children? Will he be a good father? Is he kind?

Cypher said...

My criteria for what I wanted in a man were there, though in an subconscious form from pre-teen years forward. It was almost a checkoff list. Is he strong enough to defend me and willing to do so? Is he intelligent enough to support me? Can he give me beautiful children? Will he be a good father? Is he kind?

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