Tuesday, November 5, 2013

Equality in action

This unhesitating response to a woman's remarkably ill-considered attack is simply beautiful.



What a lot of grrrl power feminists don't seem to realize is that there are no shortage of young men who would never, ever, initiate violence with a women, but would absolutely relish the chance to lay the smack down on a woman dumb enough to start something with them.

I'm not sure which is funnier, the shock and horror in the woman's voice after the man responds to the second attack, or the fact that the blonde was dumb enough to try attacking the big guy a second time after he'd already made it clear that he did not consider her off limits.

Teddy Roosevelt once recommended speaking softly, but carrying a big stick. And part of carrying a big stick means being willing to use it. My policy with regards to women is exactly the same as it is with regards to men. Start nothing, finish everything.

54 comments:

Eric Wilson said...

My policy with regards to women is exactly the same as it is with regards to men.

You big equalitarian, you

JP said...

Lowerclass brits have the dumbest sounding accents ever. And this is coming from a South African rockspider.

tilikum said...

hehe i lol'd then I rofl'd.

awesome stuff.

Miguel D'Anconia said...

Looks to me like she got her equal treatment. Dumb broad. Iron my shirt and get me a beer!

Alexamenos said...

I literally laughed out loud as well.

newrebeluniv said...

This shows us one lesson that everyone should learn at an early age. Windows are not as strong as they look.

--Hale

Crowhill said...

Vox, would you change your policy wrt women if women as a group quit all the equalitarian nonsense and accepted the idea that men and women have different roles in society?

Or, to put it another way, can you imagine a situation in which "men should almost never hit women" is a reasonable rule?

Peregrine John said...

It is his rule already. Hence the "start nothing" part.

Giraffe said...

Or, to put it another way, can you imagine a situation in which "men should almost never hit women" is a reasonable rule?

I think any situation in which a woman doesn't hit a man first.

Booch Paradise said...

@Crowhill
If I read correctly that's his position now. If women enmass were to go back to their original roles in society, they wouldn't be starting fist fights. And if they never started anything the rule of "Start nothing, finish everything" would de facto mean not hitting women.

The appropriate way to treat a woman is determined by how she acts.

Even red pill guys will assume a 1950's type role with a woman who acts very feminine, that is a woman who is very sweet, differential, blushes at crude jokes, etc.

Crowhill said...

Okay, let me offer a clarification. Vox's current rule would mean he'd never hit a woman who didn't hit him first, but it means he would "finish" any confrontation in which a woman did hit him.

ISTM that a couple decades ago the rule would be slightly different. If a woman hit a man (which would be rare), the man's first response would be to try to get her to cut it out using non-violent means. The point was to train men to think in terms of protecting women -- even against their own stupid choices -- and to never (or at least very rarely) use violence against them.

The modern world is a messed up disaster, and Vox's current rule may be appropriate for today. But I can image a world in which it would be best for men to foreswear violence against women except in very rare cases.

Vox said...

Or, to put it another way, can you imagine a situation in which "men should almost never hit women" is a reasonable rule?

I can imagine a situation where women don't physically attack men, sure. I almost never get physically attacked by men or women. I am a peaceful man and have foregone several provocations to which I could have ethically and legally responded with physical violence.

But, if I am physically attacked, I reserve the right to defend myself, up to and including the use of lethal force. And I will do the same for those under my protection.

That is the whole of my position on the matter.

mina smith said...

I liked it so much I watched it three times.

Vox said...

Vox's current rule would mean he'd never hit a woman who didn't hit him first, but it means he would "finish" any confrontation in which a woman did hit him. .

Absolutely. You never stop until the opponent is incapacitated. That means dead, unconscious, or helpless and submitted. I have seen a man stabbed in the throat by someone he was holding in a headlock. A woman might have a knife, she might have a gun, or she might have a male ally who is behind you.

Violence is not a game. Once you cross that line with me, I will finish you as fast as I can. On four occasions, I have never required more than 10 seconds to incapacitate an opponent. Three were men, one was a woman. In three of those cases, my first move was sufficient to leave them stunned, injured, and bloody.

Unlike the big guy in green, I would not have stepped back because one always throws combinations. Notice that he hit her with a jab and didn't even follow up with a rear hand. She was lucky, because at his size, if he'd stepped in and thrown a rear, he might have killed her.

Amy G said...

Well I certainly laughed. Just wish someone had smacked the twat flapping her gums the whole video, as well.

fc6cedc2-d6a8-11e2-b860-000bcdcb471e said...

I think any situation in which a woman doesn't hit a man first.

I would clarify that as long as she doesn't go for a weapon. You are allowed to go first if she grabs a weapon, but unfortunately you better have video or you will spend time in jail.

Crowhill said...

I agree that violence is no game. Perhaps part of my uneasiness with what you're saying is that (in my experience) most women who "attack" men aren't really attacking them seriously. Some do, of course, but in many cases it's almost as if they're playing at fighting. (Which is a dangerous and stupid thing to do!)

In the video above, I don't think the man would have been justified to attack her until she was "dead, unconscious, or helpless and submitted."

Mercy is a risky business. Leaving someone alive, conscious, and not helpless or submitted can end in a bad way. But in some cases I think it's the right thing to do. At least that would be my decision as far as my own life goes. If I was protecting my family I would tend toward the policy you are describing.

Iguana said...

I agree with the previous comment. That nasty girl got what she asked for.

However, no men here should get the wrong idea. Unless the woman that initiated the violence is caught on video doing so, the man defending himself (or doing his job as in this case) is risking prosecution.

Peregrine John said...

Nonsense. Women need to understand that attacking is attacking. They have, en masse, insisted that things be delineated that way, in every area of law and life. Except, of course, when it comes to them in particular. Let them eat equality. Are they not "really attacking seriously" unless there's a gun involved? A knife? A fifteenth punch? If there is violence, it is not a time to split hairs. It is a time to remove the problem, in one hit if possible. This "not seriously" crap is what enables more violence.

Harold Carper said...

A first strike with obvious intent to do harm is an invitation to counter strike. Failure to oblige would be a faux pas.

Unknown said...

Why did that stoopid bitch kick him in the balls in first place? What ever did the big green man do to her? To me it looks like he was just doing his job as doorkeeprt.

To me it looks like he got back at her in a very measured way taking in consideration that she attacked him unprovoked. I would probably have crashed my knee into her face in response to that first kick in the balls - that was a demonstration of lack of respect.

Booch Paradise said...

@Crowhill
There is a clear difference between Elaine pushing Seinfeld and what is seen in this video. If the woman's attempt to kick the man in the groin was "play fighting", instead of an honest attempt to hurt him, that doesn't make it any better. It makes it quite a bit worse.

Alexander said...

I don't go up to men bigger than me and 'pretend' to attack them. Egalitarian-minded women would be well advised to follow the lead.

Ronald McFondle said...

1. A testicle kick can easily kill an individual.
2. That is one very large man. Seriously, what was she thinking? She clearly didn't have a white knight even 70% his size, if she resorted to that and thought it was an ok idea, the next time is probably going to be a lot worse for her. She got lucky that he was in such a public place and had to hold back.

Matamoros said...

I see the guy got arrested, but the girl did not; even though she was the instigator and kicked and punched him without provocation.

Police and ambulances were called to the scene and the 29-year-old man was arrested shortly afterwards.

Devon and Cornwall Police told The Telegraph that the blonde girl seen in the clip was not arrested. She received a slight injury in the incident as did the male.


What a laugh.

tz said...

Teddy knew size matters. (As a programmer, I nest deeply and carry a big stack).

Women confuse ordinary politeness and masculine conflict avoidance with weakness (e.g. shit tests). There was nothing physical, but once a female Social Worker was - I think - going on and trying to lay a guilt trip regarding taking my mother home (out of the hospital) before she was ready not leaving an opening for discussion. I'm not quite sure what it was but I simply, not very loudly, but quite firmly and steely said "Shut Up". You would have thought I slapped her hard across the face. She said (with a studder) "you can't tell me to shut up" and went one for almost a minute in shock. Then I simply pointed out that our house had stairs and my mother had to get up stairs, and asked how her physical therapy was going. She didn't know - she had no idea how my mother was doing. She called the physical therapist in and he said she was able to do stairs and had no problem the last few days. So I also proved her incompetent and uninformed as well as the other problems.

Women may ruin everything, but they fold faster and more often than origami paper when pressed. Not that such is a virtue - I wish they were stronger in resisting evil, but that is why they need men. Men have less problem, and I'm glad that they no longer have any qualms about discrimination and will slam into a succubus when they find one.

Matt said...

I see the guy got arrested, but the girl did not; even though she was the instigator and kicked and punched him without provocation.

And that's why Vox's "You never stop until the opponent is incapacitated" is unworkable in practice. His opponent was not that woman. It was that woman and her white knight, the staggering and awesome power of the state. That's not an opponent you're likely to be able to incapacitate. I would that it were different, but until such time as that might change by red pills in politics, it is what it is.

Vox said...

And that's why Vox's "You never stop until the opponent is incapacitated" is unworkable in practice.

It's not unworkable in practice. I've utilized it several times.

His opponent was not that woman. It was that woman and her white knight, the staggering and awesome power of the state.

Whoop-de-damn-do. He's never going to see a day in jail. Being afraid of jail is very non-alpha. I've been to jail. It's boring, but it's no big deal.

I mean, you do realize that they don't send first offenders for assault to San Quentin, right?

Dexter said...

Unless the woman that initiated the violence is caught on video doing so, the man defending himself (or doing his job as in this case) is risking prosecution.

What you are risking is a massive swarming attack on you by every white-knighting beta within range of her scream for help.

Vox said...

What you are risking is a massive swarming attack on you by every white-knighting beta within range of her scream for help.

Why do you think she'll have time to scream? In real fights, they're often over before people five feet away realize what happened. Seriously, those of you who have never beaten someone up in a bar or nightclub need to stop pontificating in complete ignorance. Or at the very least, talk to a policeman and ask him what percent of people in bar fights they actually bother arresting. If no weapon was involved and no one needs to go to the hospital, nothing is going to happen.

The police almost never arrest anyone. I've seen people fight and go through giant plate glass windows, and when the police showed up, all they did was make sure that the bar was insured and give the two men and the woman involved a brief talking to. At one nightclub, I broke a guy's nose and wound up with both arms covered in his blood to my elbows and a policeman didn't even so much as talk to me.

Remo said...

There is a danger that goes beyond simply spending a night in jail. Although this doesn't effect me anymore if you used to work in anything with a sec. clearance such an incident essentially means you get fired and stay fired. Career over. It is a life sentence of much less wealth and in today's economy could literally mean homeless U. If you have a family to take care of bad things for them. Simply dismissing this very real consequence isn't possible for many as thousands of professions now require clearances and just having a criminal record ANY criminal record can get you canned.

No man can be alpha and live in the U.S. You will be gelded. Get the hell out and this problem disappears. You are allowed to hit back in non-western countries without life long retribution by team grrrl and their government whipping boys.

Adam Lawson said...

I hope his second punch hurt.

The unchecked aggression of testicle-attacking witches can't go on forever.

I hope he doesn't get in too much legal trouble. She was attacking him for seemingly no reason other than the fact they weren't allowing people in.

Remo said...

"The police almost never arrest anyone"

Maybe in Italy. Here the man *was* arrested as was noted. Hopefully he isn't charged but that was not listed. I don't know the law in England and if that means he loses his job and can't ever work in that field again. Hit a woman, even if she is aiming a shotgun at you and you'll be arrested in the former land of the free. My ex grabbed a knife and went after me in front of the police and I was the one arrested. Take that with as many grains of salt as you like as its an anecdote but I did conclude that being an alpha is the U.S. is basically impossible. Unless you are willing to instill such fear that no matter what you do she would never dare hit you (possible but more Alpha than I was at the time and not applicable in this case as its a stranger in the video). The law is designed to make you non alpha on its face and will sack your career in many cases in the U.S. at least.

For a writer such as yourself this doesn't matter. For a pilot... it matters. The only winning move is not to play in the U.S. at least.

Dexter said...

Why do you think she'll have time to scream?

It doesn't matter if she does. If the betas so much as SEE you hit her, even if you knock her cold and she doesn't utter a peep, the betas figure they have carte blanche to stomp your ass.

Vox said...

The law is designed to make you non alpha on its face and will sack your career in many cases in the U.S. at least.

Yes, and if you wish to live your life in BETA fear and submission, by all means, go for it. Just don't wonder why women look at you with contempt and aren't afraid to attack you.

The choice is the same as has usually been through most of human history. Die on your feet or live cringing and licking boots.

Do you really think I haven't lost many opportunities because I'm not willing to cower and sing the requisite tunes? That's the price. I'd rather work for a drug cartel than be a cubical jockey; there is more honor in it.

poxvay said...

Vox, you're sick. This guy didn't need to kick someone through a window to protect himself. Walking away would have been fine, or standing behind the door. There were all sorts of non-violent ways to handle that situation. Striking back wasn't necessary. Get professional help.

thehaproject said...

I admit, I am surprised to see the girl in this video posting on this site. Tell us, @poxvay, why did you kick that guy in the balls? That wasn't very nice of you.

tilikum said...

my god, all this harrumphing.

its simple. dumb bitch hit first, got popped for her stupid.

ego bruised, she struck out again because she was turned on and pissed off because "you can't treat HER like that" entitlement kicked in.

the green meany didn't care and shoved the stupid beezy thru a window.

girl went home and vibrated herself numb for a couple days.

done.

Black Poison Soul said...

@poxvay - yank your head out of your ass before the shit completely fills your empty skull.

@vox - when someone opens the door to violence, they've got no bitch when you walk in as far as you desire.

RambleAround said...

I think we can safely assume its the first time something like that has ever happened to her...and the last.

Markku said...

I find it extremely easy to believe that Pox has no idea about how it's like to be kicked in a pair of functional balls.

theycallmebluto said...

I wish WhiteKnights would look at something like this and instead of being shocked and overwrought with concern for the twunt who started this... perhaps they would consider that this bitch was in effect committing her WhiteKnights to do battle with a guy twice their size without a second thought.

Why should she care, right? The guys with her will be the ones taking an asskicking... oh wait...

Trust said...

No one would feel the least bit sorry for a man who got flattened after he was fool enough to take two swings at someone twice his size.

svigke said...

Apparently the man was arrested and released on bail.Which means that he will have to appear in court and will get a caution (as the best scenario,but most likely a hefty fine to pay),however he won't have a clean CRB anymore thus won't be able to work in many places (hospitals,airports etc).If he was a doctor f.e. than he would be removed from the register and had his career ruined.
In other words-whatever he does,the guy got MASSIVE troubles now.

The girl was not arrested and is "treated for minor injuries".

We live in a very misandristic society,dangerous for us-men...we are fucked basically.

St Swithun said...

Totnes is a bit of a weird place, renowned locally as a hippy hangout town. Anyone know how one finds out court schedules and gains access to the public gallery?

Remo said...

"Yes, and if you wish to live your life in BETA fear and submission, by all means, go for it."

No thanks - I left the U.S. and never looked back. A move done by at least one other person on this blog.

"Just don't wonder why women look at you with contempt and aren't afraid to attack you."

I do fine now but leaving the U.S. was a big part of that.

"The choice is the same as has usually been through most of human history. Die on your feet or live cringing and licking boots."

Touche'

"Do you really think I haven't lost many opportunities because I'm not willing to cower and sing the requisite tunes? That's the price. I'd rather work for a drug cartel than be a cubical jockey; there is more honor in it."

If they're hiring let me know.

cailcorishev said...

I told one just yesterday: if you want to be treated like a girl, act like one. It's really not that complicated.

A week ago I was at an event that was run and mostly staffed by women (I'm still recovering mentally). I enjoyed several opportunities to let them open their own doors and carry their own equipment. Except for this one group of girls who were wearing dresses and long hair and had an air of femininity about them (though they weren't particularly hot) and spoke to me deferentially. I acted chivalrously to them, just on instinct. But the rest of them, physically hot or not, striding around in pants with a visible chip on their shoulder? No desire to interact with them at all.

Andre B said...

That was simply beautiful.

Bernard Brandt said...

Being, like Sherlock Holmes, one who wishes to get the facts, rather than hypothesizing in their absence, I decided to do a bit of checking. If one googles the words 'totnes grill devon uk', one can find the location of the take-out grill in question as 5 The Plains, Totnes, Devon TQ9 5DR, United Kingdom. Anyone who has had any experience with the lads of Devon or Cornwall would know that they are unwilling to take any guff (or perhaps the word 'sauce' is more appropriate) from any male, let alone the under-aged blonde twat who struck the first blows in the abortive little fight on YouTube.

If one also peruses the google search for those words a bit further, one would find a number of news stories on that fight. I find that The Telegraph's entry is the most informative, but one can piece together information from the others as well. In short, a 16-year-old girl tried to get into a crowded take-out grill, the 29-year-old doorman in effect told her to 'bugger off', and as the Irish would say, 'the fight was on'. The YouTube clip speaks for the rest.

As for the codswallop from most of the commenters here as to English law on self-defense (or even that in the U.S.), I note that few if any of you have bothered actually to look at said law. If you had, and a good beginning for that would be the remarkably informative Wikipedia article, 'Self-Defense in English Law", you would find that even in post-Labour Party England, two quite effective defenses to criminal charges are still the reasonable use of force in the defense of self and the defense of property, particularly in the prevention of crime. Now from where I am sitting, the 29-year-old lad was the doorman, charged with keeping people out. The above-mentioned twat was attempting criminal trespass, and was initiating unreasonable force in the attempt to do so. A competent barrister, especially with the help of that YouTube clip, could exonerate the doorman with ease. And now that the whole mess has gone viral, you can be assured that any under-employed barrister there would be begging for the chance to defend that doorman.

What NONE of you seem to be seeing (with the exception of Vox and the fellow with the long alpha-numeric string for his moniker), and which should be perfectly obvious once it's pointed out, is 'YES, if some mewling quim is getting in your face or your business with her fists or her foot, and she doesn't happen to be Scarlett Johansson in a full-body black Spandex suit, you have both the right and the duty to lay the bitch out. But you'd better get the whole thing on video and uploaded to YouTube soon afterwards."

That's the game-changer here. If that YouTube clip had not been posted and gone viral, you might as well get out the butter and jam, because the doorman would otherwise now be toast. So would the growing number of men who've done 'selfies' of their sexual exploits with women, and those women have indulged in 'regret-rape' (as Vox has pointed out elsewhere). As 'the pen is mightier than the sword', so 'the vidcam is mightier than the whore'.

Wyowanderer said...

Give him the key to the city...

Gaxsax said...

Great punch!

If you can give then you can take it.

Eric said...

What you are risking is a massive swarming attack on you by every white-knighting beta within range of her scream for help.

Not if you're that big. You'll have a swarm of white-knighting betas thinking about attacking you but doing nothing in the end.

Eric said...

Am I the only one who thinks that woman has a pretty good punch, however ill-advised its usage?

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