Wednesday, May 29, 2013

Why you don't have a wife/girlfriend

1.  You are too passive.  Women respond to men who are aggressive, to men who are predators.  Waiting for "the right moment" to ask a woman out is just another way to describe being afraid to pursue.  Those who don't chase will seldom catch; stop basing your intersexual relations strategy on science fiction novels written by overweight gamma males.

2.  You overrate yourself.  If you are an overweight, balding man of average income, or a gangly, pimply student at a state university, neither supermodels nor 8+ women are going to be interested in you.  They are elite and you are not. They have much better options than you and Game is not magic.  Game will give you two points more range, not five.  You don't have standards to be lowered, you have delusions to abandon.  If you're an average man, you should pursue an average woman.

3. You are too eager or desperate.  Relax.  Not having had a wife or girlfriend hasn't killed you yet, so it's not going to kill you in the future.  Women like men with options, so don't act as if you don't have any.  You do.  You always do.

4. You pursue inappropriate women.  If you're always trying to save sluts or white knight for women with bad men, you're failing to recognize that those women are right where they want to be.  That "poor little innocent me, I'm so unlucky" spiel is something that all of those women tell everyone they come across and it's not real.  The fact that she gets cheated on by the thug with the tattooed face is no more surprising than the fact that she won't let you rescue her from him.  She doesn't want to be rescued, she just wants an audience.

5. You're holding out for someone better.  That's fine, but if you've been holding out for more than five years without finding anyone, you should probably consider the possibility that number two applies.

6. You can't decide. Look, women are like any other aspect of life.  You make your choices and you take your chances. A giant green arrow is not going to one day appear from the sky, pointing at the head of a pretty, but shy girl, accompanied by trumpets and a voice declaiming "She, my good man, is The One!"  Get advice from men and women you trust, pray about it, consider both head and heart, then roll the dice.

7. You're afraid things might go wrong.  It's true, they might. On the other hand, living life by this logic would keep you out of showers and automobiles. Life can be reasonably characterized, if one is inclined towards the pessimistic perspective, as a series of disappointments interrupted occasionally by disasters. But that is true no matter who you are.

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ar10308 said...

"We're not here to listen to you bitch and complain about why its hard.

Take our help... or not. I don't give a shit and neither does anyone else. Just quit your fucking whining. No one wants to hear it.


I've read the thread. You haven't given a fucking shred of advice here. Merely ridicule, insults and condescencion. And I'm calling you out because you're a piece of shit.

"I'm pretty sure there's something diet related, either them or their mothers. Soy (e.g. plant estrogen) based formula maybe?"

Millenials have Boomer/GenX fathers. I guess that explains a lot.

Jack Amok said...

Good grief, I didn't realized I'd stumbled onto the Dwarf site...

But yes, short guys can do just fine. I had a 5'8 (and balding at 20) roommate in college who did great, often better than the two of us who were 6'4. He especially did well in clubs, but I always thought that was just because it was easier for him to carry on a conversation. I had to stoop down to hear or be heard over the noise. I just don't think there's such a think as an Alpha Stoop. I hated clubs.

Anyway, bottom line, improve what you can, don't worry about what you can't.

Nate said...

advice on talking to women.

/facepalm


In the old days.. they said it like this: treat a lady like a whore, and a whore like a lady.

The idea is, that you treat them differently than all the other guys. So you stand out.

Josh said...

Josh is like 5'5" When has his beard on he's like Gimly.

I'm 5'7". Which is still short.

Josh said...

The idea is, that you treat them differently than all the other guys. So you stand out.

You want to be different. Different is good. You want her to say, "you're not like all those other guys".

Nate said...

"I've read the thread. You haven't given a fucking shred of advice here. Merely ridicule, insults and condescencion. And I'm calling you out because you're a piece of shit. "

So we can add.. "can't read" to pissing and moaning.

good.

Peter Garstig said...

Vox isn't short, he just isn't particularly tall. Except compared to Lombardians.

Smart bastard, that Vox guy.

Wendy said...

He's short. He's like 5'9 or 5'10.

Ah, I think of short as 5'8" or shorter (the historic-ish average height for Americans though the average is increasing).

Gimli would be an awesome Halloween costume for Josh. Or a hobbit. That'd be pretty easy to pull off - pretty much just the ears and too short pants. And a pint of ale.

Jack Amok said...

I've read the thread. You haven't given a fucking shred of advice here. Merely ridicule, insults and condescencion. And I'm calling you out because you're a piece of shit.

You're getting plenty of advice. You just don't seem to like it.

Here's my advice:

If you think all women are gutter-snipe whores, stop believing that. Until you believe that some women are decent and worth your time, you won't learn how to tell the decent ones from the whores. That means you'll be stuck with the whores, because men who figured out how to tell the difference will be busy snapping up the somewhat limited supply of decent women, leaving you with the dregs.

So, if you don't want the dregs, learn how to differentiate. You can't do that if you don't believe there's a difference.

Step 2, beat your fear. Learn how to take risks. No risk, no reward. That's life. If you try to play everything safe, there won't be any rewards left for you because the guys willing to take risks will be busy snapping up all the rewards while you...

Well, you see a pattern right?

Wendy said...

Put your big boy pants on, AR. Yeesh. You don't banter with guys much, I'm guessing? If you did, you wouldn't be so sensitive.

Nate said...

No Wendy! He's named AR10! He's super tough! Can't you tell?

ar10308 said...

"No Wendy! He's named AR10! He's super tough! Can't you tell?"

I know banter, (you don't hangout at shooting ranges, CrossFit gyms, car meet-ups and not be able to banter) which is why I can tell Nate's piece of shit that makes himself feel better by insulting and ridiculing people. That's why I was right when I claimed he's just a controlling Beta.

The most Alpha men I've known never needed to resort to the tactics that Nate does here. That's why they are Alphas. Their confidence came from within, not from ridiculing people on internet forums.

Nate said...

Nancy... I treat people the way they deserve to be treated.

Whine like a bitch.. I'll treat you like a bitch.

Ya see me calling earl a pussy? No.

You're the one getting called a pussy. Because your'e the one acting like a pussy.

ar10308 said...

"Here's my advice:"

That's legit advice. It isn't applicable to me because I've been doing that for a while now.

But then again, you know nothing about me or the many social activities I am involved in where I naturally meet a lot of women and can get 2-3 numbers an evening before when I pursue it.

Peter Garstig said...

AR: totally credible post by someone who calls people piece of shit on the internet.

Clap, clap.

whatever said...


Whatever, the sad thing is there's a kernel of truth buried in the pile of willfully obtuse nonsense you wrote. But you're too stuck on your gammahatred of women to actually develop it into anything useful.



Sorry to say, Jacky, I don't care at all what you think. Even a little. I just felt the need to shut down the trash talking tards on this thread.

whatever said...

Reentrenched said:

came of age in the SMP of the early 90s. It was different than this one in some ways, but similar to it in others.

A lot of girls in those days still married their HS sweethearts, though some waited until after they graduated college to do so. There were certainly "alpha chasers" and sluts in those days, but there didn't seem to be as many of them as they are now. Most women in those days at least paid lip service to the idea of saving themselves, finding a good husband, looking for the right guy to have a family with and all that stuff. Few, if any, openly advertised that they were just looking to have fun and that they weren't interested in anything more than flings and ONSs, like they do now.



This is why I am so insulting. Sure, sure, there are the conman jackasses who are nothing more than scum, but even this guy, who is vaguely trying to be honest as much as he is capable of, is a delusional idiot.

Almost 20% of the women who "came of age" in the 1990s have currently never been married.

ALMOST 20%.

So no, the 1990s attitudes were complete fail. Composed of fail energy. Now, things have probably gotten quite a bit worse since then I am sure. But the 1990s model was not even remotely sustainable.

whatever said...

By never been married I mean they have hit 40, or will hit 40 soon, and have never been married and so will NEVER marry. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER.

Nate said...

"By never been married I mean they have hit 40, or will hit 40 soon, and have never been married and so will NEVER marry. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER."

And that has what to do with you?

Nate said...

"Almost 20% of the women who "came of age" in the 1990s have currently never been married.

ALMOST 20%."

You're aware that 80% of them have been married right?

Nate said...

i mean honestly I thought it would've been higher than 20%. If you'd asked I probably would've guessed a third.

Cail Corishev said...

The best TV show for learning game is The Dog Whisperer.

Petruchio said...

Whether or not particulars of the SMP make things more difficult today than they were ten, twenty, fifty, etc. years ago is ultimately irrelevant.

Recognizing the specific difficulties of the situation is good, but once you recognize them, either decide to meet the challenge and mount an assault or go your own way in peace. Dwelling on how things were different twenty years ago or why they are difficult doesn't help anybody. Focus on the challenge and the differences for the purposes of creating a plan of action, and then act. That is what Nate, Josh, et al. are encouraging folks to do, not kicking ass for the sake of kicking ass. Sometimes we need to have somebody smack us with the clue-by-four.

In short, either be this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Farragut) or go home.

Jack Amok said...

Sorry to say, Jacky, I don't care at all what you think. Even a little. I just felt the need to shut down the trash talking tards on this thread.


Of course you don't care what I think. That's why you feel such a need to, ah, shut me down. And you're doing such a good job, too.

You go girl.

Jack Amok said...

But then again, you know nothing about me or the many social activities I am involved in where I naturally meet a lot of women and can get 2-3 numbers an evening before when I pursue it.

There folks, is your classic gamma. Complains that people here "haven't given a fucking shred of advice", and then when someone calls him on it, sniffs that he doesn't need the advice anyway "because I've been doing that for a while now." And of course goes on to boast about his numerous conquests and fabulous social life.



whatever said...


Recognizing the specific difficulties of the situation is good, but once you recognize them, either decide to meet the challenge and mount an assault or go your own way in peace. Dwelling on how things were different twenty years ago or why they are difficult doesn't help anybody. Focus on the challenge and the differences for the purposes of creating a plan of action, and then act. That is what Nate, Josh, et al. are encouraging folks to do, not kicking ass for the sake of kicking ass. Sometimes we need to have somebody smack us with the clue-by-four.


So basically, man up and marry those sluts.

With a dash of "I've got mine now shut the fuck up about the mess I made!"

You are so noble and helpful.

Phero said...

"1. Too assertive
3. Too Eager"

This was written by a chick for Cosmo right?

It seems this topic is making the rounds, or is it one person posting many blogs?

Make a case for marriage, yes there will always be one, but please make it as if it were aimed at men not women or school kids.

Men should not marry bitchy sluts.
Kids are property of the women.
Eventually she will hold it against, because she can.
Want kids? Get a surrogate mother and hire a nanny.

facepalm said...

The mistake guys like ar-numbers make is thinking that this is a game blog for public consumption.

Actually, there is no game here. What there is, are snarky repetitive posts about women who dare to work instead of pumping out wasp kids for the next generation of GOP conventions and incessant hurry-up-and-wait-for-it predictions about the just-around-the-corner, any-minute-now civilizational collapse that's certain to happen (but don't hold your breath, and do buy gold lol). Really, its a joke.

In the meantime, Vox and his nuthugging followers engage in somewhat less than enlightening debates on topics such as, is God the same as gods, and are they the same as ghosts? And 1300 page debates on economics esoterica that read like the teacher on Charlie Brown sounds, and ultimately go nowhere, all while toasting each other's incredible intelligence and sexual prowess.

Basically, a get-together among friends, with a lot of stupidity and some gay undertones.

Ioweenie said...

Aw, the wisdom of FX (Legit, Justified, The Americans).

I do think the cancerous infiltration of feminism into society can make things harder for any man today who doesn't have appropriate counterbalance by strong male influence (or just the innate ca-hones). When my husband was coming up (60's/70's), his father was pretty absent & in a "help" profession (preacher). But, the community was filled with men in the form of coaches, teachers, scout leaders, Sunday School teachers, other relatives, as well as women who WEREN'T feminized and who projected onto boys what men were to become. The community didn't focus on the feminized values with which boys/men are bludgeoned today, nor were boys chastised and drugged for being boys then.

As for women 20 years ago NOT being career oriented, phooey. I graduated college early 80's. Women focused on careers was all I knew, exactly what was expected of me. I remember a woman our age being berated by another woman our age for having gotten married late teens and starting a family. (The few women I knew doing that were apologizing.) Another story - my neighbor is older than I am and recently just retired from teaching lower ed & college. A few years ago, she excitedly told me about a new degree program at her university. I thought she meant for me to tell my son who had just started there. But, no - she & her husband began to tell me how I should go for it, that certainly I'd want to get my masters. I've been working from home since 1996, but I guess me not leaving the house and being financially dependent on my husband had been concerning them. They're in their late 60's, so yeah, women have been "career-oriented" since the 1960's & 70's.

Ioweenie said...

JCD/Legit . . . ah, the wisdom of FX (Justified, The Americans, Archer)!

As for women not being career-oriented 20 years ago - phooey. I graduated high school in the 70's and can think of only one women out of a graduating class of 400 (not sure how many females) who wasn't planning on going to college. I heard one women my age being chastised by another for getting married in teens and starting family. But, the "excitement" for women and careers started before that. My neighbor is in her late 60's, recently retired from teaching career (lower & university). A few years back, she was effusing to me of a new degree program at her university. Thought she was telling me to tell my son who had just enrolled there. Uh, no. She - and her husband - began exhorting me on how I should do it because surely I wanted my masters??? I've been working from home since 1996 (and getting paid to do what she teaches). Guess they were concerned about me not leaving home every day and being financially dependent on my husband. So, it hardly just started. By age 12, I got the message; that was 1970.

Ioweenie said...

Oops, sorry for the double-post. Didn't see that my first post went to "page 2," so I tried again.

Petruchio said...

whatever said...

So basically, man up and marry those sluts.


And where, exactly, did I say anything about marrying sluts?

Phil said...

The Nate/Josh routine of "you suck pussyboy" is really tedious. They just repeat the same idea over and over and over- "you are a wimp, I am a real man. The problem is you, pussyboy."

"Your ex-wife has taken your kids from you. You are just a pussy. It's your fault. It wouldn't have happened if you were a REAL man. Like me."

A broken record from these two jack-asses.

Aurelian said...

8. You really don't give a fuck.

Jack Amok said...

Hey Phil,

First, you're an ass.

Second, learn to read and you might figure out I'm not saying what your gamma addled brain thinks I'm saying.

I'm not saying "you suck" (though, in fact, you do suck, but that's a totally different story). I'm actually saying "you don't have to suck. It's within your power to make things better."

If you don't want to try, if you'd rather bitch and complain than lift a finger to make your life better, well, then, I guess you do suck after all. But even that's a suckage you can make better if you ever decide you don't want to keep sucking.

Life doesn't have to suck. You can make it better.

If you don't want to make it better, go cry on someone else's shoulder.



Toby Temple said...

Damn it. Did the guys from the sensitivity class started visiting this blog?


So basically, man up and marry those sluts.

That is the response to a post saying the following:

Recognizing the specific difficulties of the situation is good, but once you recognize them, either decide to meet the challenge and mount an assault or go your own way in peace. Dwelling on how things were different twenty years ago or why they are difficult doesn't help anybody. Focus on the challenge and the differences for the purposes of creating a plan of action, and then act. That is what Nate, Josh, et al. are encouraging folks to do, not kicking ass for the sake of kicking ass. Sometimes we need to have somebody smack us with the clue-by-four.

And you idiots wonder why Nate & Josh are telling these guys that they are the problem?

A broken record from these two jack-asses.

Another sign of a gamma. The prefer broken records from whining and bitching from pussies. Which is fine. Its a free world. Losers are free to whine and bitch all they want. Men just don't put up with it.

Peter Garstig said...

You have to understand, if a regular here calls you a pussy, it's not an insult. It is advice.

That's hard to grasp for someone using insults to insult people, i understand.

If all women are sluts, it's you that is making them being sluts because you're too much of a pussy to have any standards for you and the people around you, and even if you have, you don't have the balls to stand up for it.

if you want to bang as much women as you want, then all you're seeing is women being banged by other men. you simply can't see the diamonds because you don't care about the diamonds. You want to bang.

In 4 words:
You have no standards.

Retrenched said...

Re: #1... good advice and all, but it might not be a good idea to try it on a college campus, unless you don't really care about graduating.

http://thefire.org/article/15767.html

Sure, most women won't abuse these new rules, but it only takes one to fuck you over.

Retrenched said...

It's not complicated.

If you're a man, and you want a woman, you must become the man that the woman wants. Otherwise, she will choose someone else instead of you.

Women like what they like, and they're not going to change - not for you, not for me, not for anyone. If you don't give them what they want, they won't give you what you want. Simple as that.

It is what it is. It's not good or bad, or fair or unfair, or right or wrong... it just IS.

Women are going to choose who they want to be with, so as a man your choices are to either become what they want, or just avoid them. Or maybe go somewhere else, where the women have different preferences and make different choices.

If you decide that women aren't worth it because they're too bitchy/picky/slutty/fat/masculine/selfish, then you should just forget about them and focus your life on other things that don't involve pursuing women, or obsessing over their flaws, preferences and behaviors. A man who is truly "going his own way" doesn't care what women are up to since it doesn't affect him.

Bottom line: Life is short, and youth is even shorter, and you can't afford to waste a minute of it crying about how you were born too short, or too shy, or too skinny, or too awkward, or worrying about how you're not handsome enough, or rich enough, or alpha enough, or tall enough, or whatever.

Fix what you can, forget about what you can't. Be the best man you can be, and let the chips fall where they may.

Athor Pel said...

"facepalm said...
...
Actually, there is no game here. What there is, are snarky repetitive posts about women who dare to work instead of pumping out wasp kids for the next generation of GOP conventions and incessant hurry-up-and-wait-for-it predictions about the just-around-the-corner, any-minute-now civilizational collapse that's certain to happen (but don't hold your breath, and do buy gold lol). Really, its a joke.

In the meantime, Vox and his nuthugging followers engage in somewhat less than enlightening debates on topics such as, is God the same as gods, and are they the same as ghosts? And 1300 page debates on economics esoterica that read like the teacher on Charlie Brown sounds, and ultimately go nowhere, all while toasting each other's incredible intelligence and sexual prowess.
..."



It's funny, I laughed, I really did. But it doesn't hit any bulls eyes of substance. This is snark for the sake of snark.

Which makes sense because it comes from someone that isn't smart enough to understand basic economics. But we can't have everything now can we.

Bravo, good effort.

Try again, this time with more verve and intellectual honesty.

whatever said...

Reentrenched rambled insanely:

Women like what they like, and they're not going to change - not for you, not for me, not for anyone. If you don't give them what they want, they won't give you what you want. Simple as that.

It is what it is. It's not good or bad, or fair or unfair, or right or wrong... it just IS.


So if divorce laws were changed to father always custody and men kept all property possessed before the divorce no matter what and Domestic Violence laws were changed to actually require proof and Welfare for illegitimate children was cut by 50% and prostitution was legalized.....

that wouldn't change female behavior at all.

Indeed.

You are very wise.

Ioweenie said...

whatever,

Thank you for your words of wisdom and efforts.

Jack Amok said...

So if divorce laws were changed to father always custody and men kept all property possessed before the divorce no matter what and Domestic Violence laws were changed to actually require proof and Welfare for illegitimate children was cut by 50% and prostitution was legalized.....

So, whathcadoing to change those things Whatever?

I mean, besides bitching about it on the Internet.

Cause I think the reason you keep talking about all these horrible problems that make it sooooo hard to be a man these days is that you don't want to do anything yourself. You want somebody else to fix it al for you do you don't have to put out the effort and so you can blame somebody else when it still doesn't work out for you.

You want a free ride and a ticket to complain.

If you disagree, then tell me one fucking thing you are doing to try and make the situation better.

Josh said...

If you disagree, then tell me one fucking thing you are doing to try and make the situation better.

He's going to go his own way! That'll teach dem wommenz!

facepalm said...

Wait a second, where is "you have no GAME", or "your GAME isn't good enough" in this list?

Isn't this supposed to be a GAME blog? Where is the GAME??

What about someone who doesn't suffer from any of the issues you list? Which specific GAME tactics would you recommend to make him successful, and are any of these GAME tactics different from generic self improvement advice like "hit the gym", "don't be a total pussy", and "engage in social interactions"?

Or is this site a complete and utter joke?

Nate said...

wtf

whoa.. woman took your kids? you think my advice is to "man up"?

only if by "man up" you mean, kidnap your kids and move to belize.

Jack Amok said...

only if by "man up" you mean, kidnap your kids and move to belize.

Reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Claimed he was 2nd Cousin to some Philly Mobsters. Said his family didn't believe in divorce. They believed in "Missing, presumed Dead", but not in divorce.

I never could decide if I believed him about either claim. He was screwy enough for them to be true, and screwy enough to have made it all up.

whatever said...


You want a free ride and a ticket to complain.

If you disagree, then tell me one fucking thing you are doing to try and make the situation better.


I'm not screaming at men about how it is their fault and they need to shut up and take it.

So Mr. Robot, what do you say next, because everything you say I've heard before.

Jack Amok said...

I'm not screaming at men about how it is their fault and they need to shut up and take it.

And neither am I, you myopic fool. Neither am I. But not in 100 years of explaining will a Gamma understand the difference.

So Mr. Robot, what do you say next, because everything you say I've heard before.

Au contraire, mon ami. I've said it before, but you still haven't heard it.

Saule said...

"What I've seen is that omega permacels can cite multiple numbers above as being applicable, whereas a short man or a poor man without some of the other problems is much more likely to connect eventually."

Thank you JLW. I am a 35-year-old permacel and can also cite multiple hits of your 'factors.' There are some people, a small number surely, that are simply destined to be alone forever because their SMV is too low to be attracted to the women they in turn find attractive.

whatever said...


And neither am I, you myopic fool. Neither am I. But not in 100 years of explaining will a Gamma understand the difference.


Well, first, I didn't say you specifically. Do you really want me to start quoting people on this thread who said exactly why I wrote they were saying? That would be boring, but if you promise to apologize after I prove you wrong I'll waste the effort.

Jack Amok said...

if you promise to apologize after I prove you wrong I'll waste the effort.

Easy promise for me to make.

With one caveat.

You'll have to first apologize for lying. See, if you really understood* what I've said, then most of your posts on this thread are slurs against me, or others like me.

Not that I give a fuck about your opinion or would put any value in an apology from you, but since you seem to value one from me, I figured I'd let you know what it would take to get it.

* you do realize of course that is used "heard" as a euphemism for "understood" don't you? I should clarify, since a lot of you gammas are spectrum dwellers who sometimes get hung up on literal interpretations of things.

whatever said...


Easy promise for me to make.

With one caveat.

You'll have to first apologize for lying. See, if you really understood* what I've said, then most of your posts on this thread are slurs against me, or others like me.



So it's an easy promise cause you have no intention of honoring it. Good job. Smart move.

That's what I thought.

AAB said...

Peters Garstig said..
'There's nothing wrong with loving women and wishing for them to get better and that they might see the truth, it's human nature, damn it, it's what Christ teached us.'

No it wasn't. Christ was not pro-marriage, he said marry if you must, if you feel an overwhelming desire/need to. What is it with Christians who don't read the Bible?

Matthew 19
8 He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 But he said to them, “Not all men can accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”
(http://lutherburgsvik.blogspot.com/2012/11/christ-on-marriage-and-having-children.html)


He who is able to accept being a eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven is better than marriage, that's what Christ said.

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