Friday, May 17, 2013

Alpha Mail: Obamacare and the Female Imperative

Jill is being devoured by the rage monster:
The reason why men will have such hikes in their insurance costs is that there is to be no disparity between what men and women pay. Women, on average, pay a lot more for (individual) health insurance. They pay more because they go to the doctor more often. They are the ones who are more likely to take their kids to the doctor for head colds. They, to a much higher degree than men, have been manipulated into "preventative" healthcare (and this doesn't even get into maternity care and well-baby visits). So they cost the system more. Men will simply be subsidizing their more frequent use of medical care. Men work the most dangerous jobs and die younger, on average, than women do, but they don't tend to go to the doctor for preventative care.

Why should men have to do that? Good question, but a little late to be asking that. Obamacare was foisted on all of us, both men and women, whether we want it or like it. Some would say we should get as much out of the system as we can, but I, personally, would rather not. Really, how is it going to help me to take prescription meds? I have so much rage at this issue already that when you bring up the "female imperative" the rage monster just eats me up inside. I don't want Obamacare any more than you do.
I have to confess, I'm not clear concerning towards whom Jill's rage is directed.  Is it the fault of any one individual woman that the Obama administration sees political benefit in serving the Female Imperative?  Of course not.  Are there women who oppose Obamacare despite the fact that estimates indicate that they will personally benefit from it?  I assume there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of them.

But this doesn't preclude understanding the political realities that are driving this latest government intrusion upon the tattered remnants of American liberties.  Nor does it change the fact that one of the primary problems in resisting the growth of government is the refusal of many women - not all, to be sure - to oppose policies such as no-fault divorce, VAWA, and domestic abuse-related laws on the grounds that they might one day personally benefit from the enshrinement of the Female Imperative into law.

147 comments:

Markku said...

Ok, so talking about Female Imperative brings the rage monster. That is very good to know. Almost as good as knowing that John Scalzi is annoyed by "mangina".

Sigyn said...

I'm kind of enraged at the men who enable it, myself. But that's probably just my baby psychosis talking.

The Observer said...

"The reason why men will have such hikes in their insurance costs is that there is to be no disparity between what men and women pay."

This is the part I find most hilarious. Assuming that Jill is right on all counts, why should men pay the same amount as women if they consume less? So a person who buys two cupcakes should pay the same as someone who buys one cupcake?

What a disgusting little appeal to "equality", which Vox has pointed out is only used in the context of securing more goodies for the FI.

SarahsDaughter said...

I have to confess, I'm not clear concerning towards whom Jill's rage is directed.

Once the scales have been removed from a woman's eyes, it's often hard for her to conceptualize how many women are still blind.

Though she's on team good guy, she still is, in the end, the gender who benefits from the FI being legislated.

Not a perfect analogy but consider the white man who grows up in poverty, worked hard and was dedicated to changing his lot in life only to hear that his white man status is the lowest difficulty level and the one with the most privilege.

If this white man attempts to speak out on behalf of the white men who were not privileged, he is shouted down and told that his ability to succeed regardless of his work ethic is still proof of his privilege.

Women, no matter how red pill they are will still benefit from legislating the FI. And no matter how much they will promise to never use the loose VAWA laws against a man, or to never frivorce their husbands, they still can.

Red pill women are outcasts from the feminist herd and not quite welcome on team good guy. Being herd creatures and emotional creatures, we struggle with being outcasts. When FI issues are discussed without the caveat NAWALT, it becomes difficult to not internalize a perceived judgement because of solipsism and because of how successfully shame works with women.

The question is, what can red pill women do? How can we help? We were created to help and we feel lost without guidance.

Amir Larijani said...

Jill says: "The reason why men will have such hikes in their insurance costs is that there is to be no disparity between what men and women pay."

If that level of incoherence is the product of her university edumacation, then she needs to demand her money back.

SarahsDaughter said...

I think her first paragraph is just stating the lunacy of what is, the second one is her opining on it.

Markku said...

The question is, what can red pill women do?

I don't know there's anything to do, since at the point when a man eats the Red Pill, he has already understood at least the basics - that a woman can truly, honesty, deep down to her heart, think she won't frivorce, and it means nothing. Because what a woman says, really means just "this is how I feel right now".

Roundtine said...

I would just say, yeah, let's get as much as we can! Since I'm a guy and will be forced to pay in, I just won't pay in. You're a chick, so you suck it dry! Get an "abortion" every month and use the money it to buy gold coins!

GAHCindy said...

"Women, no matter how red pill they are will still benefit from legislating the FI."

I don't think this is true at all, SarahsDaughter. As a wife and mother of five, all legislating the FI does is make it harder for my husband to fulfill his role as breadwinner and protector of our family. I don't benefit from that. Good people don't benefit from these things because they refuse to avail themselves of political and economic advantages taken at the unwilling and unjust expense of others.

Of course, I don't struggle with being an outcast, either. I quite enjoy it. ;-)

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Josh said...

The question is, what can red pill women do?

Make sammiches

Michael Maier said...

HEY! Josh, I thought you didn't eat bread! How can the wife be making you sammiches????

SarahsDaughter said...

I don't think this is true at all, SarahsDaughter.

Right, that's why I used the analogy of white male privilege. And, Markku's comment is the exact reason I used that analogy: "that a woman can truly, honesty, deep down to her heart, think she won't frivorce, and it means nothing."

No matter how good you believe yourself to be (no matter how unprivileged a white man believes himself to be), the cynicism remains.

SarahsDaughter said...

HEY! Josh, I thought you didn't eat bread! How can the wife be making you sammiches????

Many a yummy sammiches can be made without bread: lettuce wraps filled with all the necessities of a good sammich.

GAHCindy said...

Yes, dear, the heart of man (and woman) is desperately wicked. Who can know it? A woman can truly think she is divorce-proof, but only a redeemed one can be pretty darn certain of it. That doesn't change the fact that all this idiot feminism is damaging the women who are fulfilling their feminine roles at home, right along with their husbands.

SarahsDaughter said...

I think you've missed my point.

Different T said...

@SarahsDaughter

"No matter how good you believe yourself to be (no matter how unprivileged a white man believes himself to be), the cynicism remains."

You do see how this analogy fails, correct? A more accurate analogy would be a incredibly priviledged white male "making it" without said priveledge. A truly unpriviledged white male would be in no way comparable to a female as regards FI legislation.

"The question is, what can red pill women do? How can we help?"

What is your "pink-knighting" trying to save?

SarahsDaughter said...

Different T,
Yes, I see the weakness in the analogy. I don't believe the white privilege propaganda but I do recognize the FI. However, the white privilege propagandists would say that in no situation is the white male without his privilege.

What is your "pink-knighting" trying to save?

Western Civilization.

Markku said...

A more accurate analogy would be a incredibly priviledged white male "making it" without said priveledge.

Right. And when red-pill women, they deserve the same honor as a man, after the fact. But then there is the separate question of what we should do before we see how it actually went - should we marry them? Well, there's the problem.

Women were always fickle, but the patriarchy gave men the power to force the important issues. This created a dynamic in which marriages could still flourish, despite the particulars of women's fallen nature. But when that power is taken from men and given to women, the entire dynamic changes.

Red-pill women suffer from this just as much as men do. Perhaps more, because I suspect it is very much easier for a man to be alone. But my point is, there is simply nothing to do except to try help civilization collapse sooner, and hope that something eventually rises from the ashes.

Different T said...

@SarahsDaughter

"Western Civilization."

The embodiment of which is where?

Different T said...

@SarahsDaughter

"Yes, I see the weakness in the analogy. I don't believe the white privilege propaganda but I do recognize the FI. However, the white privilege propagandists would say that in no situation is the white male without his privilege."

I do not think you understand. Here is a question for both you and GAHCindy. If you had a few young children and your husband was suddenly gone, would you refuse to use government assistance programs?

Josh said...

HEY! Josh, I thought you didn't eat bread! How can the wife be making you sammiches????

I generally avoid grains, but I will have them occasionally.

Trust said...

Most women do support passing costs to men while receiving more benefits. Even those who acknowledge it is unfair will advise men just to accept it.

These same women, however, will go batshit should they.have to start paying more for car insurance even though men use it more.

SarahsDaughter said...

If you had a few young children and your husband was suddenly gone, would you refuse to use government assistance programs?

My husband lived the example of never succumbing to government assistance when we were making $8000/year with me at home with our infant son. He has done plenty to provide well after he's gone. He's also taught me how to run businesses and succeed. When I had three young children, he had a business that I was well versed with and would be able to run should something happen to him.

So...no.

The embodiment of which is where?

"There was once a dream that was Rome. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. And I fear that it will not survive the winter." - Marcus Aurelius in The Gladiator

Different T, I don't have the ability to quit. Complacency and indifference are not becoming to me.

GAHCindy said...

DifferentT, yes, I would. I am adamantly opposed to stealing, even if I am starving. http://getalonghome.com/2010/01/three-stories-and-a-rant-part-1/ and http://getalonghome.com/2010/01/three-stories-and-a-rant-part-2/ for more on that.

Carlotta said...

SD, I undersand exactly what you are saying and as we can see by the comments back to you we are dammed either way.

Sometimes the blue pill looks yummy when the red has such a harsh after taste.

Jill said...

"I think her first paragraph is just stating the lunacy of what is, the second one is her opining on it." Yes, this is true. Do I think men should be subsidizing female insurance? I refuse to answer that question because I refuse to acknowledge that there is any right way to do Obamacare. Once we start demanding it be done in a right or fair way, we accept that we need it in the first place.

What am I enraged at? The system that divides and conquers along gender lines, setting women against men and men against women. And it works well because most people are too irrational to see how irrational they're being. "Female imperative"=government control for everybody. That women are slipped sweets through openings in the cage doesn't make one iota of difference for them. They aren't any freer than you are.

SarahsDaughter said...

Carlotta,
I was attempting to analyze the rage monster that Jill possesses and the confusion of to whom it is directed. I don't think she's alone in her frustration. Hopefully she'll stop by and explain it better than I have.

SarahsDaughter said...

As she has while I was typing. :)

Trust said...

@Jill: " The system that divides and conquers along gender lines, setting women against men and men against women."
________

I think you are half right. The wrong half is "setting men against women." The costs of that dwarf the benefits. Obama won big campaigning against a "war on women." I doubt one would get data railing against a "war on men."

Trust said...

Data - dam you autocomplete. I meant far

Jill said...

@Trust, the war on women was false, unless you acknowledge that there is a greater war underneath that dismisses all that women are (as in, for women to be okay as humans, they must be men). I'm sure you already know that. But look at the cynicism at this site. This trumped-up war on women has created a backlash of reaction from men. And now we have "men going their own way". At that point, the genders are divided, and somebody has won this war. A divided people are easy to conquer.

Markku said...

At that point, the genders are divided, and somebody has won this war.

Exactly, the war is already won. When the enemy has superior force, not acknowledging it is conceit, pure and simple. No, that is when tactics must change to guerilla warfare.

Markku said...

Sometimes the blue pill looks yummy when the red has such a harsh after taste.

But remember, one does the right thing because it is right, not for its benefits.

Jill said...

Markku, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for men to stop being so cowed and get to this guerrilla warfare of which you speak. Commenting here doesn't count.

Markku said...

It's not even supposed to count. My own performance must be evaluated after the fact also.

Different T said...

@Jill

"Markku, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for men to stop being so cowed and get to this guerrilla warfare of which you speak. Commenting here doesn't count."

This is the point. You want to push men. You don't know where, or for what, you just know something is amiss and want to push.

Natalie said...

I love that women are here asking what they can do to help "the cause" and receive largely dismissive responses. This is what people like Jill and SD are talking about. Women were created to be helpmeets and supporters. It's in our spiritual dna (and probably our physical dna). So we show up and get told that we're ill-equipped to offer anything of value (except perhaps vaginas and sandwiches). Right, because when God "made a helper suitable" that's all He had in mind. You know, a standard reply of "Love your husband. Love your kids. That's the best thing you can do for any of us." would at least encourage and affirm the women who do care about the future of masculinity and western civ. That this answer doesn't even seem to occur to most of you seems rather interesting.

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Markku said...

Doing what you have already vowed to do is in my mind the bare minimum for being a decent person. I see "helping the cause" as going above and beyond.

Jill said...

@Different T: I'm not pushing anyone. I'm just tired of endless talk. If you don't like the way thing are, rise up and change them. The state of our politics didn't get this way w/o a fair amount of complicity and/or complacency.

@Natalie: I didn't ask how I could help the cause (whatever this undefined cause is), and I'm not interested in helping anybody. I'm pissed off at the way men and women are effectively manipulated in political campaigns.

Markku said...

Also, Natalie, you are probably not aware that there was a brush just a few days ago, with me and SD on opposing sides. Now, that doesn't mean I've made her my enemy, but I'm probably going to fail to be particularly lovey-dovey immediately after.

VD said...

I love that women are here asking what they can do to help "the cause" and receive largely dismissive responses.

Where were these questions, Natalie?

ou know, a standard reply of "Love your husband. Love your kids. That's the best thing you can do for any of us." would at least encourage and affirm the women who do care about the future of masculinity and western civ. That this answer doesn't even seem to occur to most of you seems rather interesting.

I, on the other hand, think it is funny that you believe you can answer for men and that you think that answer is sufficient to help the cause.

Different T said...

"You know, a standard reply of 'Love your husband. Love your kids. That's the best thing you can do for any of us.' would at least encourage and affirm the women who do care about the future of masculinity and western civ. That this answer doesn't even seem to occur to most of you seems rather interesting."

As this is the default position, the requirement that it needs to be explicitly stated is evidence "red-pill women" is a poor label.

Sigyn said...

Doing what you have already vowed to do is in my mind the bare minimum for being a decent person.

When a woman DOES try to "help the cause", she's told to go back to the kitchen and make sammiches. Then you bitch about women not caring because if we did, we'd do something besides making sammiches.

It's like arguing with a woman sometimes, I swear.

Sigyn said...

As this is the default position, the requirement that it needs to be explicitly stated is evidence "red-pill women" is a poor label.

And since the default position for men is being masculine and dominant and leading their families, the requirement that Game principles be explicitly stated is evidence that "red-pill men" is a poor label.

...This is going to turn into another "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing for women, I can feel it coming.

Different T said...

"And since the default position for men is being masculine and dominant and leading their families, the requirement that Game principles be explicitly stated is evidence that 'red-pill men' is a poor label."


If a male still needed to be told "the default position for men is being masculine and dominant and leading their families" and he was labeled as "red-pill," that would be a poor label.

"When a woman DOES try to 'help the cause,' she's told to go back to the kitchen and make sammiches."

It is unclear to what this refers. Similar instances were the result of very poor, even detrimental "help."

Carlotta said...

Ok then. There is a group of women who agree that there is a war, that it is wrong and want to do the right thing. Since this makes us freaks to nearly everyone in real life we congregate at blogs like this because we are willing to do something. Yet there are some who smack you harder here.

Natalie at least knows something is wrong. That is a start.

Carlotta said...

@ Markku true.

MH said...

I think I understand her point, which is that blaming everything on females isn't the answer, nor is it even accurate. Feminism was never about females; it was always about introducing totalitarianism via the destruction of social stability. Men are at fault for society's acceptance of feminism and the totalitarian regimen just as much as women are. Women didn't have the power to force feminism on society by themselves. Men could have used their position of authority to stop it, but they didn't. They abdicated their responsibilities by relenting to external pressure to embrace social upheaval, just as Adam relented to Eve and ate the fruit. Remember who God confronted first? The man. And the man blamed the women who blamed the serpent. And God had none of their excuses. This isn't a conflict between men and women, it's a conflict between good and evil. Conflict among the forces of good is exactly what the enemy wants.

Sigyn said...

It is unclear to what this refers.

For instance: the guys who like to snicker, "LOL she's just here for the tingles", the ones who use the term "red-pill groupies". There's a lot of those around, you know.

Sigyn said...

@ MH:

We must all hang together, or we will all hang separately?

Josh said...

Oh crap, this is a cause now?

Next thing you know we'll have all sorts of groups splintering off into their own ideologically pure group and calling all the other troops traitors and heretics...

Natalie said...

@VD Ok - So loving our husbands and kids is insufficient. What is sufficient then?

@Sygn - I completely agree with you. Women are not the only sex capable of "thinking" with their emotions :)

Josh said...

Women are not the only sex capable of "thinking" with their emotions :)

A penis is not an emotion

Josh said...

This thread is a fantastic example of the female imperative and women ruin everything in action. It's also a good example of the female reframing that dalrock keeps talking about.

Markku said...

When a woman DOES try to "help the cause", she's told to go back to the kitchen and make sammiches.

I truly can't think of any realistic way that a woman can go above and beyond, except in very special circumstances. Like, say, if a woman were to manage to black-knight an annoying feminist to get the boot from the workplace, then that would be it. But as a one size fits all -answer, I can't think of any.

As for sammich jokes, we're just waving our balls around, so that others may be awed by what mighty big balls we have. Don't take it seriously.

SarahsDaughter said...

A penis is not an emotion

Oh, yeah, then why does my husband's feel so good?

Buh dum bump!

I know, I know...I'm not funny. I try...but, I know.

Ioweenie said...

VD: Where were these questions, Natalie?

Think she's referring to Sarah Daughter's question in her first post: "The question is, what can red pill women do? How can we help? We were created to help and we feel lost without guidance."

MH: These are my maiden name initials and you sound a lot like me. I often refer to the collusion of men and women with the spread of Feminist ideology and Adam's abdication of duty and quick surrender to Eve. Feminism's claims sound awfully good on paper - having one's cake and eating it too: sex outside marriage and economic independence for women, or at the least, helping to shoulder men's burden for provision.

Markku: Do you mean it's easier economically for men to be alone? Don't men usually remarry more often and sooner after losing a mate (within a year; which I credit to them being more practical regarding sex and the nuisance of housekeeping).

As for what can women do? Maybe that which is hardest of all (at least for me): submit and obey so long as your husband is not asking you to sin. Rear up our children in the way they should go. Being a helper suitable will be different in each home.

Markku said...

Markku: Do you mean it's easier economically for men to be alone? Don't men usually remarry more often and sooner after losing a mate (within a year; which I credit to them being more practical regarding sex and the nuisance of housekeeping).

No, I mean emotionally. Of course a man will marry if he thinks it's the good choice. It's only now that we are starting to realize that it might not be anymore.

But when a man starts thinking that lone-wolfing is the right thing to do, then that is emotionally easier for men than for women.

Ioweenie said...

Oh, and be gentle encouragers of other women who are doing the same, being "workers" at home. It's not encouraged and often loathed, sometimes by men. My husband works in a government-related industry so is surrounded by women making similar/same salary as he. Sometimes, he gets tired that I'm NOT that woman. His mother worked out of sheer economic necessity, was a dynamo at home, and supportive of her preacher husband. She grew up on a farm in the mountains of VA; there was a mule on the farm that shared her name! In other words, I pale in comparison, having quit working outside the home 20 years ago and earning only part-time freelance wages, sometimes. What I do, what we chose, is not thought of highly. Frankly, I knew that if I had the opportunity to grow my salary, I would be less motivated to stay married.

One contribution to divorce-proofing a marriage is to provide a life for your wife and kids that she would have a hard time creating on her own. Learning to tough it out through the tough times because there's "no where else to go" is a pretty good relationship and character-builder. My 93 year old mother often said (within earshot of my father and us 6 kids), "I'd leave if I had anywhere to go!"

Sigyn said...

This thread is a fantastic example of the female imperative and women ruin everything in action. It's also a good example of the female reframing that dalrock keeps talking about.

Excuse the hell out of me for trying to contribute. I won't make THAT mistake again.

Markku said...

I won't make THAT mistake again.

This will be an excellent test for the "this is what I will do" vs. "this is what I feel right now" -principle that Vox has previously postulated.

Josh said...

And, apparently, solipsism.

Nate said...

"When a woman DOES try to "help the cause", she's told to go back to the kitchen and make sammiches. Then you bitch about women not caring because if we did, we'd do something besides making sammiches."

Only the MGTOW pussies think that way. making sammiches is absolutely doing your part.

Josh said...

The way this battle is won is not going to be through a massive collective centralized effort. It's going to be through decentralized individual efforts. Think about evangelism and the difference between the book of acts and modern TV evangelists. One is easy, quick, and gets attention. The other is hard, slow, and difficult. But it works.

So what can men do? What can women do? Markku is correct to call it guerrilla warfare and insurgency, but there's a right way to do it and a wrong way. The wrong way is a scorched earth policy of burning and destroying everything before an advancing foe, rooting out traitors in your midst, and branding everyone who isn't sufficiently enthusiastic as an enemy. That's the MGTOW way. It won't work, and if it does, it's going to be a pyrrhic victory. The right way is to enlighten those around you and those you can influence, opening their eyes to the realities of the red pill. It's about raising masculine sons, feminine daughters, self sufficient resilient communities, and churches that preach the truth. It's about building something, cultivating a fallen world instead of destroying what's left of it.

Ioweenie said...

btw - I say this: "One contribution to divorce-proofing a marriage is to provide a life for your wife and kids that she would have a hard time creating on her own." with little knowledge of the laws and how "easy" it may or may not be for a wife to pillage her husband's earnings. I know this may render my suggestion to be a superior provider ridiculous. Honestly, I don't know how the law works if the wife initiates the divorce and no children are involved, and/or under what circumstances alimony is granted. So please, don't misunderstand that I'm advocating for men to work their arses off just so they can hand over more of their earnings. I didn't completely miss the point that the legal climate is a disincentive for men to work hard and provide well.

Okay, think I'll go scrub a toilet now.

Markku said...

Honestly, I don't know how the law works

You don't need to. You only need one of your female friends to recommend a lawyer, at your husband's expense.

Ioweenie said...

Youch! No thanks. I was just saying my suggestion about providing well might seem absurd given the current legal climate. Until I moved to VA and met my first divorced adult male, I didn't know alimony was granted anymore. Duh again. (Damn. Those toilets are still calling.)

Loki of Asgard said...

This will be an excellent test for the "this is what I will do" vs. "this is what I feel right now" -principle that Vox has previously postulated.

Then beg me not to forbid her return.

Acksiom said...

Well, ladies, the intactivist community can always use volunteers. And since you've all been benefiting pretty much your entire lives from our genital mutilation at birth, because of how it subsidizes your own medical care in general and your reproductive health care in particular, paying back the criminal profits you've received from the Male Flesh Tax "in kind" seems like a great place to start to me.

Or you could start up a male suicide outreach program. You know, the way all those other ladies did with Tea Parties and such, only in your case politically organized around men's liberation.

It is a bit odd though how they apparently didn't need to complain in the comment sections of other people's blogs about how they don't know what they should be doing in order to succeed.

I would think:

1. Identify men's liberation issues
2. Pick one
3. Do actual, tangible activism about it -- not just talk.

would be a pretty simple ordinal checklist to figure out and follow.

So no sarcasm intended; is it really that hard for you to sit down and figure just that much out? Because if it is, you should probably stop asking about how you can help. You can't.

Markku said...

Then beg me not to forbid her return.

I don't know... If Vox is wrong about this, then he might be wrong about...

Calvinism.

Jill said...

"The right way is to enlighten those around you and those you can influence, opening their eyes to the realities of the red pill. It's about raising masculine sons, feminine daughters, self sufficient resilient communities, and churches that preach the truth. It's about building something, cultivating a fallen world instead of destroying what's left of it."

Although I know nothing of these pills people keep talking about--I don't take pills, not even metaphorical ones--this is the point. It may be the only point that matters. The idea of backing a disunited, ill-defined cause makes my prefrontal cortex spin with agitation.

jonw said...

I agree with Acksiom's suggestion to pick something where men are the primary victims of: like homelessness or suicide,and help with that. I became tired of simply commenting on blogs and started a red pill men's ministry at my church,it has helped me as much as the other men.

VD said...

The idea of backing a disunited, ill-defined cause makes my prefrontal cortex spin with agitation.

It's not a question of backing a cause. I don't do causes myself. I simply observe and attempt to discern the truth of reality as best I can.

It's about accepting or denying reality. That's all. Contra attempts to shoehorn me into one box or another, I'm neither a PUA or an MRA.

Josh said...

"saving western civilization" isn't a cause?

Markku said...

"saving western civilization" isn't a cause?

That one still exists, would be begging the question.

Don't get me wrong, it might. But it is certainly not obvious.

Acksiom said...

>The idea of backing a disunited, ill-defined cause makes my prefrontal cortex spin with agitation.

I imagine Obama and Hilary and the rest said or thought much the same thing about Benghazi.

With much the same results.

Do please get back to us on helping you out when there's no more blood running down your chin from the mutilated male foreskins you've been consuming your whole life.

You need to stop exploiting us period, including your attempts to get us to do your maturation and thinking for you here.

Jill said...

VD: "I don't do causes myself...It's about accepting or denying reality." Once I paused to notice this, I decided I respected you. Aside from that, somebody else brought up the idea of a cause.

PUA? MRA? You lost me.

Markku said...

PUA=Pick-Up Artist
MRA=Men's Rights Activist

Jill said...

Acksiom: huh? male foreskins? what? whom do I exploit?

Carlotta said...

Ok..thank God Nate jumped in. And MH.
And ladies you can simply choose to have fun with this. I am making mouthwatering food to pack for my Husband including hot apple crumble and my specialty of a omlet scramble breakfast sammich on fresh hot bread. I woke him up this mornin and put him to bed last night and plan to do it again.
So you MGTOW and feminizers can whine and moan all you want.....some of us make a damm fine sammich while wearing nothing but heels and that is my contribution to the war. And I just bought my daughters heels so they are in training.
Take that. That and that.

Loki of Asgard said...

Between the fixation on his manhood and the idea of women consuming it, I would say that Acksiom has a bit of a problem with voraphilia.

This does, of course, make his invitation for women to "[pay] back the criminal profits you've received from the Male Flesh Tax 'in kind'" rather chilling.

Markku said...

As for MGTOW, I'm extremely sympathetic to them, but I'm not one by any vow. You know Linda, a.k.a. thelp999? She's got banks shut down.

Fucking banks.

So, she deserves a chance, if it can be arranged. But that has nothing to do with the general principle.

Josh said...

some of us make a damm fine sammich while wearing nothing but heels and that is my contribution to the war. And I just bought my daughters heels so they are in training.

God bless ya darlin'...that's how it's done.

Anonymous said...

Sarahsdaughter asked:

"The question is, what can red pill women do? How can we help?"

Thanks for asking - I'm happy for any help.

1) Try and inform other women at least about the unfair treatment of men. You can even state it in terms that will be meaningful to women - for example, the ____ program (pick any, but probably healthcare or immigration) is unsustainable and will crash the economy. Or, if marriage no longer offers any benefit to men, then men will drop out of marrying women (which is bad timing for women as the economy is in bad shape). Also, try to educate women on their own hypergamy and solipsism, with the aim of having them try to consciously control/reduce this behavior.

2) Help men defend civilization by attempting to fight and roll back big government. Women have abandoned men in two ways - individually by feminism and their divorcing, and also as group, as they not only don't help men defend what's good about civilization, but they actively help undermine men and civilization by hitching their wagons to the socialists.

You can choose any government outrage you want to start fighting against, but immigration is certainly timely. I recommend visiting the numbersusa.com website for information on immigration abuses and the current amnesty bill. You can send free faxes to congress from there, and they offer great pre-written scripts to use when you call your congressmen.

In you r letters or calls to congress, you may want to stress the following three objections to the Gang of Eight immigration/mass amnesty bill:

1) It won't stop the next amnesty:
Its format of amnesty first and enforcement later is the same as the 1986 amnesty in which "later" never came and enforcement promises were all broken.

2) It is a heartless attack on the 20 million Americans who can't find a full-time job:
The bill doubles legal immigration to meet the desires of a gang of corporate lobbyists to continue to hold down wages. All-told, the bill offers 33 million lifetime work permits to 11 million illegal aliens and 22 million new immigrants in the first decade alone.

3) It adds a massive unfunded mandate to government spending and debt: The Heritage Foundation studied the costs of the bill only for the 11 million illegal aliens who would get the amnesty. It projected $9.4 trillion in government services over their lifetime, but only $3.1 trillion in taxes, leaving a net cost of $6.3 trillion.

Thanks

Acksiom said...

>Between the fixation on his manhood. . . .

You had one or more of your kids mutilated, didn't you. And on some deep, aconscious level, you know it was horribly wrong and bigoted and abusive, and now you're displacing your self-loathing onto me.

Either that, or you're part of the circumcision gravy train yourself, and you're going with psych ad hominems to repress any mention of this real-life "Soylent Blue" because you don't want to lose all the lovely money the genital mutilation of innocent baby boys brings in.

Or you're just behaving like yet another cunty bigot. And do please tell His Lordship I said so, and that the proper response on his part is to correct your behavior, and thank me for pointing it out.

Whichever it is -- and it could be all three! -- the fact remains that you're trying to silence discussion about one of the most blatantly barbaric and vile forms of sexist ageist, and fundamentally human discrimination we still face today.

So you can just go right on ahead and blow it out your other nasty, slack, diseased little lower fuckhole, bigot. The only thing you find "chilling" about this is the threat to your gendered privileges and delusional self-image as a "good" person.

Jill said...

The people here must be working off a different definition of solipsism than I have previously known from having studied philosophers. From a Cartesian perspective, or from any other that I'm aware of, it's a purely left-brained activity and is the basis of the scientific process. It's all that can be known from experience as filtered through the five senses, as opposed to the right-brain understanding which springs from intuition and faith. I would be surprised to discover that women are the only ones who learn through experience (even book learning is solipsistic in nature). The point at which solipsism becomes fallacious is when those using it can't see a wider perspective than their own, or are unable to connect their experiences to a broader reality. When they can't do this, they are narcissists (or perhaps have been traumatized in a way that won't allow them to view the world accurately). I would also consider it an error to ignore intuition and faith, but not all people would agree with me. Since I would guess that by calling women solipsistic in nature [those here who have brought it up] don't also mean they are essentially left-brained, I'm at a loss to understand.

SarahsDaughter said...

You could put "solipsism" in the search bar at the top of the page and read up on the many posts that might help you understand.

SarahsDaughter said...

So, she deserves a chance, if it can be arranged.

I've long thought the two of you would make a great couple. Sorry Linda, I don't mean to put you on the spot.

Markku said...

The people here must be working off a different definition of solipsism than I have previously known from having studied philosophers.

Googling the first result for "dictionary", and searching "solipsism". Don't misunderstand me, it's not as if I didn't know already what Vox means by solipsism, I only mean to prove that I didn't cherry-pick the definition.

1. Philosophy . the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.
2. extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.

---

If one is a gamer, then the easiest way to understand solipsism is to think of the world as a single-player game where you are the player, and everybody else is an NPC that exists only for your entertainment.

Markku said...

I've long thought the two of you would make a great couple.

If it weren't for those banks though...

Fucking banks.

Markku said...

Leaking documents that get several banks shut down. A man must do better. Because he is a man. But that sets almost an impossible baseline. On the other hand, a Christian has Jesus.

So, you can see the attraction...

Acksiom said...

Jill, what they mean by 'solipsism' is more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egomania .

But the label is already well-set and thus will probably remain so flawed. People are pretty clearly integrating other relevant concepts of equivalent importance into it which should be taxonomized separately.

Forex, the systemic "lack" of awareness in women of their privileges, which is more of an unspoken social contract to ignore the public white lie that you really *aren't* aware of all your perks and bennies, really truly honest!

You are, though, and most guys know it. We just don't say anything because, well, we commit suicide several times as often as you for a reason or three, donchaknow!

One of them, foranex, being the way we get treated when we point out how you're systemically benefiting from our criminal violation.

woeur said...

I think the best thing women can do is let things fall apart if men won't do something about it. Take church. In the Catholic Church in America, women are playing a bigger role in the functioning of parishes, largely because men are leaving and not stepping up. Women filling in to prop things up and help things get along makes sense in the short term, but over time makes the parish more unappealing for men, so more leave or lose interest, and when men leave, everyone leaves ultimately, and things fall apart. It makes more sense in the long run for most things to fall apart due lack of male interest than to be propped up by women. Then things and programs that interest men will survive and more will appear, which will interest more men, which will make for a sustainable body, because when men stay the children are far more likely to stay. Also, I think it makes sense for women not to correct or embarrass men, even ignorant morons, because men already have a system for that. It involves weaker men being pulled into orbit around stronger men, who are in turn pulled into orbit around even stronger men, and so on. Eventually, all men orbit Christ Jesus. Try not to interfere too much with that system. Finally, treat us good. I was watching Duck Dynasty, an episode where Si goes to his brother's house and his brother's wife feeds him gumbo or jumbalya or something, then he falls asleep on the couch and she covers him with a blanket. I'm not very familiar with the show, but I think Si's unmarried. I know if my sisters and sister-in-law gave me food and treated me nice, I'd probably be more involved with my nieces and nephews, even my godson though his mom seems better about it. So I guess I'm saying try to bring men into the fabric of the family because they will be less self-destructive that way and less socially-destructive too.

Josh said...

Leaking documents that get several banks shut down

That's freaking awesome.

Any more details on how this happened?

Anonymous said...

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TJ said...

oh chit! ... and here I thought I could avoid paying for past access to sex by not getting married and subsequently divorced.

Now single men will have to subsidize vagina health whether they have ever known any on the personal level or not.

Maybe I should try to recoup my increased health care costs by investing in an exotic cat breeding farm.

Loki of Asgard said...

You had one or more of your kids mutilated, didn't you.

I have no children yet born. Your prophetic skills need work.

Either that, or you're part of the circumcision gravy train yourself, and you're going with psych ad hominems to repress any mention of this real-life "Soylent Blue" because you don't want to lose all the lovely money the genital mutilation of innocent baby boys brings in.

A third option you had not considered is that I might hold you in contempt for your womanish hysteria.

And do please tell His Lordship I said so, and that the proper response on his part is to correct your behavior, and thank me for pointing it out.

You are so hysterical, in fact, that you fail to notice that you are speaking to "His Lordship", as my consort so charmingly calls me.

Whichever it is -- and it could be all three! -- the fact remains that you're trying to silence discussion about one of the most blatantly barbaric and vile forms of sexist ageist, and fundamentally human discrimination we still face today.

No, I am mocking you. I have not at all addressed your "concerns", only your clear enjoyment of imagining people eating your flesh.

So you can just go right on ahead and blow it out your other nasty, slack, diseased little lower fuckhole, bigot.

No, no, no. Your tempo is off and your word choice too jumbled. It has no ring, no lilt to it. You'll never be good at insulting people if you just sputter out whatever words come to mind at random.

The only thing you find "chilling" about this is the threat to your gendered privileges and delusional self-image as a "good" person.

No, what I find "chilling" is how you managed to get yourself into an almighty froth over a mild insult. "So's your old man" would probably cause you apoplexy, at this rate.

So womanish your men of late.

jestin ernest said...

Natalie said...
You know, a standard reply of "Love your husband. Love your kids. That's the best thing you can do for any of us." would at least encourage and affirm the women who do care about the future of masculinity and western civ. That this answer doesn't even seem to occur to most of you seems rather interesting.






that isn't the vow. more importantly, that is NOT the Biblical doctrine.

i think it's even MORE interesting that both you and Markku have failed to mention the two thirds of the vow that actually are applicable.

you're both supposed to be 'red pill', right?

http://www.allheartweddings.com/the_history_of_wedding_vows.html

Carlotta said...

I dont get this. People like Linda and Markku are exactly who we do want to marry and reproduce. Please! How badass would those children be? Linda honey, I have the cutest stilletos you could borrow and just kinda be wearing them when a skype call comes .....and just wearing a little something that whets the appetite but doesnt show the whole menu. Know what I am sayin.
Always liked you both;)

Carlotta said...

@ Josh ;) and agreed about hearing more about what Linda did. Integrity in the midst of all that. Wow.

@woeur I love that show. Si is married but his Wife is not on the show. Miss Kaye is amazing snd lived through her Sigma going rogue for ten years. When He came to the Lord he has been pissing hellfire ever since and raised four manly sons and a family business empire. They are lovely to watch together and his talks about sex are awesome.

Beau said...

My wife makes sandwiches. She enjoys folding laundry. She helps me host the adult home bible study in our home. She disciples women emerging out of addiction. She has been the model of a godly women to hundreds of men and women in rehabilitation. Her daughters are praised as models of Christian young women.

Since my stroke she now runs the business - and is doing quite well. She enjoys making the budget work. She is the project officer for the erection of a new transitional housing facility in town to shelter the destitute. She will cut the ribbon on opening day. She prefers quiet reflection, but when she speaks people listen. She enjoys watching sports. She prays for me while I'm doing public ministry. She assists me doing exorcism. She stood beside me during the darkest days of my life. Her respect for me is priceless. She intercedes for me when I travel that I not fall into sexual temptation. She takes care of me when I return home. She makes sandwiches.

Pip said...

Men are getting ripped-off by this.

Signed,

a woman

Retrenched said...

Thing is, for a lot of women, the state is their alpha male husband -- the protector, the provider, the ever-ready white knight. Why would such women ever support a reduction in the govt's power and control of our lives?

The enshrinement of the FI into law was inevitable once the 19th Amendment passed. And as long as 54% > 46% the FI enforcing state will only expand, not contract.

Retrenched said...

What's funny is that western women are pushing for the FI and feminine primacy more than ever, even as they're abandoning the very thing that made their lives more valuable (in nature) than those of men in the first place (reproduction, womb space, eggs vs. sperm etc).

Anonymous said...

You want to contribute to the saving of Western Civilization? Scrimp and save, and buy ammo with the extra money. Watch your local politicians and police forces, and take notes on who, what, where, how. Plant your own vegetable gardens and raise rabbits or goats for the slaughter. Learn from the elders what you can of medicine, both traditional and modern, and learn how to apply it. Study the war against the Mohammedans, as well as the Balkan war, from the perspective of both sides. In short, get ready for a protracted and bloody guerilla civil war against everyone that is not like you: white, religious, conservatives.

Once you have prepared, then you wait. The time will come, and the call to arms an obvious one. You want a better world, then you have to fight and die for it, and send your sons, daughters, and husbands to fight and die for it as well. Blood, steel, and lead; the only currencies that can pay the bill.

The Shadowed Knight

Loki of Asgard said...

You want a better world, then you have to fight and die for it, and send your sons, daughters, and husbands to fight and die for it as well.

Will you be joining them, then?

Anonymous said...

No. I do not think Americans have what it takes. Too soft. If I am going to die, I want it to be for a people that has my respect.

The Shadowed Knight

Markku said...

Any more details on how this happened?

She was working in the banking sector in the nineties, due to family connections. She leaked documents showing corruption in the banks to a whistleblower who then wrote about it, and the resulting scandal resulted in several offices being shut down.

As you might imagine, she was immediately blacklisted and hasn't been able to get a job since.

Markku said...

Now, I understand the cynics might think there's a chance she might be feeding be bullshit. I completely understand such an impulse. We're talking about women, after all.

But it just so happens that due to an incredible coincidence I happened to see a comment on her blog from a guy who was clearly still extremely butthurt about having lost his job due to Linda's actions. Next day the comment was gone, with Linda's remark that she doesn't want to talk about what happened in that particular state.

So, either we're talking about Dr. friggin' Evil here, with plots that Göbbels would be envious of, or the story is true.

Loki of Asgard said...

No. I do not think Americans have what it takes. Too soft. If I am going to die, I want it to be for a people that has my respect.

Yes, yes, they are not near authoritarian enough for the likes of you. We are all aware of this. You will seek sterner masters elsewhere.

However, ask yourself why you consider it appropriate to bid good men and women go and die for the "better world" you want in a place you mean to leave, Shadowed Damsel.

SarahsDaughter said...

Sandwich responses are trite, overused, and provide no value.

This is so not true. How do you not see what it represents? Read what Beau said for goodness sake. If a tenth of American women could hold a candle to the wife he speaks so fondly of we would be no where near the dire situation we're in in this country.

Anonymous said...

One, his comment goes far beyond the usual "make me a sandwich" line. That was to what I was referring, not his well written and coherent posting. He gives value when he writes. Several others had posts that were at best worthless. They would be wise to remain silent to hide their fool thoughts within their skulls, where they belong. If you cannot contribute to the discourse in a manner fitting adults, leave your piece unsaid.

Two, that is not going to fix your civilization. With respect to her good works, that is merely preventative maintenance work. Actions of that sort are necessary, but not sufficient. It is changing the oil filter and the windshield wipers. That does not help when the transmission is shot and the brake lines are severed.

You want to fix this, you are going to have to get your hands dirty, bloody, scarred. People are going to have to be killed, and you will have to see friends and family die. Force will be required to bring the elite to heel, and then you will have to rebuild. You will have to be willing to watch women and children starving and dying, and be willing to let them die. Once you are all done, and you can finally rest, you will have blood on your hands, so much that you can never wash it away. You have to live with the nightmares and the memories for the rest of your life. The founders of your nation agreed; their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. One of every hundred colonists died in the War for Independence. That was in a simple intratribal civil war over leadership. The war you face is an intertribal war against other civilizations and religions in the same lands. All the worst parts of the Reconquista and the French Revolution in one package, with a sprinkling of World Wars on top. Millions will die.

That is what it takes. Hope in your left hand and a rifle in the right hand, which carries more weight? The answer is the people who are not willing to die carry the weight for those willing to kill.

The Shadowed Knight

Loki of Asgard said...

Sandwich responses are trite, overused, and provide no value.

Truly? Then mayhap your armies can do without a quartermaster corps. Surely no true soldier needs a supply line or a cook.

But I suppose "I intend being a slave to some other set of masters" responses are more productive, yes?

The answer is the people who are not willing to die carry the weight for those willing to kill.

So you confess that you personally are a net burden and a worthless coward, Shadowed Damsel. Splendid, something about which we agree.

They would be wise to remain silent to hide their fool thoughts within their skulls, where they belong. If you cannot contribute to the discourse in a manner fitting adults, leave your piece unsaid.

I agree. Slaves have no business speaking in the presence of their betters. When do you mean to be silent, little hypocrite?

Carlotta said...

Beau she is amazing and you are both blessed. Thank you for sharing.

Sk sammich making is an art. So be quiet since you arent even going to be participating in what you advocate. Neither will I.BTW...how do you know Loki is only role playing?

Markku ....for the love of all that is Holy....go make some Smart warriors with that women. We need to grow the Ilk Arranged Marriage Network.

Linda impressive!

Anonymous said...

I will not be silent. From a man this is acceptable, even if he is quite presumptuous, but from a woman? Unlikely. I will speak as I want, and face the consequences as I see fit. Remember your place. Let men deal with men, and concern yourself with the affairs of women. Like making artful sandwiches.

I am not advocating fighting, although I was not clear enough on that point, I admit. Very much the opposite, actually. I want to get through school unbothered by a civil war so that I can leave this pit of a culture. I was simply trying to explain that it is not a matter of spreading your legs and pumping out your offspring that will fix this. Not to mention showing the real cost of what you want. This is not pretty, and it will not be quick. You are fooling yourself if you think you are going to be fighting a short, victorious war. No one wins in the end; you just lose a little less than the other side. Give me a decade to get free, then slaughter each other to your heart's content. I will be gone by then, so have at it.

The Shadowed Knight

woeiur said...

"I want to get through school unbothered by a civil war so that I can leave this pit of a culture. . .Give me a decade to get free, then slaughter each other to your heart's content. I will be gone by then, so have at it."

Nay,
cursed be thou; since against his will thy will
Chose freely what it now so justly rues.
Me miserable! which way shall I fly
Infinite wrath and infinite despair?
Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell;
And, in the lowest deep, a lower deep
Still threatening to devour me opens wide,
To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heaven.

Loki of Asgard said...

As it demands the consequences of its words, I shall provide: derision, all that it merits.

The beast of burden rebukes a woman! As if it had any authority at all, much less the authority of a free man. Women always outrank slaves, even in the most oppressive societies. It should know its place, and not seek to be above its betters.

Better yet, it goes on to say that it wants, as if it expects anyone should be concerned with its wants. The delicious irony! It cries out to have its neck fitted with a yoke, and then asks us all to wait until it is ready! The iron manacle cares not what the slave wants, nor does the master. The Shadowed Schoolboy is in for what you mortals call a "rude awakening".

Then, to top all else, it seeks to divest itself of liberty and identity, and then expresses umbrage that anyone fails to respect its rights and undeveloped manhood. No, Shadowed Schoolboy, your sniveling pretence to manhood does not impress those who are men, and have paid the price to be men.

To be honest, as a conqueror, I wish there were more of its sort. It begs for a boot upon its neck, and it will even travel the world in search of one. There is no need for civil war where there are enough of its kind in one place. They surrender themselves cheerfully to whomever offers a crust of bread.

...Let us see if it now stiffens its neck and insists it is a man, while declaring it will run away from home if married women do not cease having babies and fight the battles it flees.

Anonymous said...

Loki, it does not care. It paid its price. Your disrespect does not mean anything to it. You cannot define it. You cannot control it. It stopped being afraid of you.

woeiur, that is nice. What is it from, pray tell?

The Shadowed Knight

woeure said...

Paradise Lost

Anonymous said...

Thank you. I must read that someday.

The Shadowed Knight

Ioweenie said...

VD left this country. SK makes a similar choice. For those who follow God's command, go forth and be fruitful where ever you choose. God's kingdom isn't defined by national boundaries. And a woman supporting her husband and family is obeying God's command, whether it's by making babies and/or sandwiches . . .

Carlotta said...

SK dear, my place is under my Husband and not any other man. You get what you give. If you cant handle a conversation with a women you got problems.
Sammich making demands respect.
Second, I am not some common whore pumping out bastards. I am a Married Christian Wife and Mother so check your shadowed (not man enough to step into the light) hiney before you wreck yourself.
Last we are not of like mind. I love not my life unto death and am of the Kingdom of God.

What kind of knight demands women hold off attackers so he can retreat?

Loki, I look forward to reading you first novel. That was an artful bitchslap. It was a pleasure to read.

LP 999/Eliza said...

It's amazing if people would actually receive/gain health or care in this modern era.

Anonymous said...

Considering that it was your gender, so "oppressed" by taking care of children and a home in luxury unmatched by all by royalty and aristocracy that brought your country, our entire civilization to this point, you can sit down and shut up while we figure out how to deal with the mess. Since you do not intend to fight, you have no place speaking on this subject. Sit down, and shut your mouth.

As a quick aside, I have been cooking for over a decade, since I was a child. It is not difficult, and it does not impress me. Performance of basic human skills is not a qualification of respect. It is already a requirement.

I was aware that you are married. I do not care. Bringing children into this situation is not a solution, any more than learning piano, for instance. My failure to reproduce and provide is doing more damage than you are. Sitting around and then walking away is still going to accomplish more than you will.

Lastly, I, too, seek the service of the Lord. Sometimes he has need of those that are willing to walk dark paths. I do His work here on earth in service of civilization. The civilization in question is immaterial. I have no loyalty to land or flesh beyond my own. The answer to your question is a knight who does not care if you live or die. My survival is more important than yours, because I am more useful. I would die in service of others, but not your kind. I will help build a Godly civilization on this earth in His name, and inoculate it from the perversions of America with my experience. Then I will have a cause for which to die with honor. I will face death for my God, not a crumbling wreck of a once great nation.

The Shadowed Knight

Natalie said...

Quick - how many Christian principles has SK openly disavowed in the service of his Lord (who appears to be more a remake in the Greco/Roman model than the one Triune God).

Wendy said...

Considering that it was your gender, so "oppressed" by taking care of children and a home in luxury unmatched by all by royalty and aristocracy that brought your country, our entire civilization to this point, you can sit down and shut up while we figure out how to deal with the mess.

This doesn't even make sense to be aimed at Carlotta as she is quite content in her "oppression". Her kind are part of the solution (or at worst neutral), not the problem. And as for the sammiches, it's pretty much code for being willing to serve ones loved ones. And that is to be respected.

Wendy said...

And I note, you're not figuring out how to deal with the mess, you're figuring out how to run away from it and telling everyone else to give you more time. It's your prerogative, but you probably shouldn't be so high and mighty about it.

Markku said...

And I note, you're not figuring out how to deal with the mess, you're figuring out how to run away from it and telling everyone else to give you more time. It's your prerogative, but you probably shouldn't be so high and mighty about it.

This is what I was just about to say. Yes, I think one has a right to abandon USA. It would be a different thing if they were making a heroic but undergunned effort, and then he runs because the odds are on the other side. That would be cowardice. But there is no such effort at all.

But then, what is this self-congratulatory tone? You can only have the one, but not the other, if you are to be coherent.

And yes, a single, childless person can take on much riskier missions. That is a valid strategy. But again, he comes right out and says that he will find a culture who will only tolerate him as long as he is useful to them.

Nope, these things don't add up.

SarahsDaughter said...

But by all means, continue to get your education here.

SarahsDaughter said...

I sure hope you continue to check back in here so we can hear of your success in the country you find with the best potential to receive you. I'm so excited to hear of the women you encounter who love you long time and the pure innocence you find in them...

Carlotta said...

I am sorry to have missed the comments SK. To busy having lots of GREAT BABY MAKIN SEX. Off to make sammiches.

By the way, you are following the wrong lord. That one loses and there is no where to run from the real one.

Ah yes...sammiches....and stilletos....

Anonymous said...

Leaving the States makes me a Satanist, a servant of the Adversary? Your pride is truly that great, that you decide that you are the arbiter of God, to decide what is His will? I am astounded, truly. As a corollary to the inability to escape His presence, wherever I go, He will be with me.

As to you, SD, you might not want to bring up the subject of whores. It could reflect poorly on you.

The Shadowed Knight

SarahsDaughter said...

Yes, Satan, we know Paul should not have spoken of Christianity after executing/crucifying so many of the followers. The den of vipers is ever present.

redlegben said...

So I will go in search of a land that can appreciate my talents, and at the same time, one that has the ability to rise to the challenges facing the world.

You are such a noob. The USA is not awesome, but it is a thousand times better than any alternative. Every...EVERY...woman from a nation that is not the United States will view a US citizen as a meal ticket. She will give up the gina to convince you that she is with you fooeva. You will deserve what you get.

You have been measured and found wanting.

Anonymous said...

RLB, you are not the best example of wife selection yourself. The advice is noted, and I will give it the consideration it deserves. I am not easily swayed by "the gina," as you so classily describe it. In fact, I think you have a skewed view of women. Not all women are camp followers, some have actual value. What experience could have given you that attitude towards the opposite sex? I wonder...

And, of course my ability to provide makes me attractive, you fool. That is because of this thing that is known as... "biology!" A mystical and arcane discipline, to be sure. You might as well have pointed out that a woman's beauty is attractive to men. No shit, Sherlock. Or hey, since we are revealing hereunto unrevealed mysteries, let me point out that the sky is blue and the sun is yellow. Hold on, not finished with my amazing insight: did you know that grass is, in fact, green?

Since we are on the subject of colors, may I congratulate you on your masterful grasp of the red pill. Truly inspiring, for one such as I. I can only hope that one day I may be as insightful as you. Your understanding of women knows no bounds.

We live in a nation that has seen its leaders wage illegal wars, flout the founding contract, ship weapons to criminal and terrorist syndicates, spy on its citizens, leave people to die at the hands of savages, and violate basic human rights like it is in style, murder fifty million infants, and the biggest news is a celebrity harlot's breasts. What a place! A shining beacon of culture, morality, not to mention the hope and change. You beat Hitler's killcount, and are closing in on Stalin's. Maybe, just maybe, you can beat out Mao, and take the place as number one sponsor of genocide. What an achievement. That should make up for the failing schools, crumbling infrastructure, abandoned factories, plummeting economy, and corrupt politicians. Most babies slaughtered, evah! 'Muhrika! And eagles and freedom, too!!!

Your measurements are flawed. You might want to get some help with that. Go grab Loki, he is pretty good at writing insults. He can curse me out, and you might learn a thing or two. Where is he by the way? I miss his snark. It has class, and it has bite. Looo-kiii!!! LOOO-KIII!!!

The Shadowed Knight

redlegben said...

I beg you to go to another country and find a wife. Go forth young man. Learn the ways of the world. Find that utopia. I love watching lambs fed to the lions.

Your type litter the roadways. If you are lucky, you might survive. You will be much different in the aftermath.

Markku said...

I really have one main question in my mind: If they do manage to take their country back, would SK expect not to be treated as a second class citizen upon return?

Carlotta said...

Hey SK,

What part of there is now no more codemnation in Christ Jesus do you not understand? What part of being a new creation do you not get?

What part of ALL have fallen short do you not recognize you punny little demonic puppet?

By their fruits you will know them. Your fruits stink!

Markku said...

There is indeed a legitimate point to be made that the evil of USA has exceeded that of Nazi Germany many times over, and if there is no reasonable expectation of helping end it, then the next best thing to do is to withdraw funding.

Anonymous said...

Markku, I would expect nothing less. I am a grown man making my own choices, and I have to face the consequences of those choices. At the same time, I do not intend to be returning. One I depart, I will not have anything to hold me here.

Even if a revolt against the government takes place and the revolutionaries are victorious, they have the choice of returning hold of the reins to the same people who wrecked the first time, or a quasi-dictatorship and that rarely ends well. You do not have modern Jeffersons and Addams and Franklins. You have good men, but not great ones. (Not you specifically, Markku. Finnish, right?)

The Shadowed Knight.

Markku said...

Even if a revolt against the government takes place and the revolutionaries are victorious, they have the choice of returning hold of the reins to the same people who wrecked the first time, or a quasi-dictatorship and that rarely ends well.

One might have reasonable hope of the USA splitting back into states (or perhaps several alliances of neighboring and similarly-minded states) and at least one of them taking the approach of closed-borders libertarianism, like Switzerland.

Markku said...

And Finnish, yes.

Akulkis said...

Anyone getting the feeling that Shadowed Knight is some sort of street theater in action....and that what seems to be is, in fact, a set up -- a raging feminist who has decided to poison the waters, so to speak, of those women here who understand and sympathize with the plight of the American man... and so to get these women back onto the Feminist Plantation, she invented the persona of some raging asshole, "Shadowed Knight."

The tip-off is the excess use of purple prose, like some fan of the really horrible writing by so many female writers of the 19th Century which motivated Mary Ann Evans to write under the pen name of George Eliot, simply so that her work would be picked up and read by men, and evaluated from the same standpoint of male authors, rather than be dismissed immediately as yet another romance-novel hack.

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