Friday, December 23, 2011

President BETA

Is this really a surprise?
Barbara Walters, ABC News: "What is your biggest peeve of each other?"

President Obama: "I don't have one."

Walters: "Aww."

Michelle Obama: "My list is too long."
Now, I'm not saying that Barack Obama is delta or gamma, although I suspect the latter. It's entirely possible that he's actually lambda. Any time you see a man who has underkicked his coverage to the extent that Obama has with the woman once described as King Kong's baby sister, you're quite clearly not looking at an alpha, sigma, or even a beta.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roissy thinks he's an alpha. This should be compensated for with the "leader of men" factor.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/is-obama-alpha/

PermanentGuest said...

Certainly you must take into account that this is a public figure who is seeking office. Broadcasting your pet peeve to the world about your partner makes you look like a petulant tool. Voters (male and female) take note of this. Obama knows that. He cannot lay any disses and smackdowns to his partner and get away with it like your run-of-the-mill celebrity can.

Besides, Michelle is much smaller in person. Just a fun fact (I was surprised too).

PG

Der Hahn said...

I'll cop to disliking the POTUS intensely but I still think Roissy is just wrong on this. If Obama's getting any on the side it's from low-class sluts looking for a status bang.

Alexrod and the MSM have done a pretty good job controlling the narrative on his life but one thing that's missing is any evidence of former girlfriends or other relationships prior to his marriage. I can see why affairs would be covered up but why the reluctance to talk about past relationships?

Also, getting elected to office, even POTUS, is not evidence of alpha status. Is Roissy gonna argue that Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon were alphas, too?

Der Hahn said...

PG - If Obama actually was an alpha then he should have given the answer you're imputing to him (reframing the question), not the limp-wristed one on the tape. AND Michelle should have (as she has when she's reading speeches other people have written for her) giving an adoring little spiel about her pet peeve being that he's too devoted to his job, not that cold-hearted scold.

Daniel said...

Barbara Bush gave an interview once where she talked about a lesson that GHWB taught her early in their marriage.

At a party, she had made some humorous quip about one of his foibles.

He took her aside (or maybe it was after the party, doesn't matter) and told her, in no uncertain terms, that she would never make light of him in public setting again, for the sake of his leadership and the sake of her ladyship.

She never did.

It is embarrassing to the country to have a President who is married to a manure spreader run amok.

modernguy said...

Yeah, 'cause America really cares about keeping up appearances. This is the land of Walmart and porn for chrissakes.

One thing we can be sure of though, is that when a black alpha becomes president, the ruling class will have well and truly abandoned ship.

Anonymous said...

If he is getting anything on the side, it might not be a woman.

SarahsDaughter said...

Daniel - "the sake of her ladyship."

It is obvious Obama is not ALPHA, her quote rolled off her tongue so easily, it is clear no one has informed her of what she is NOT - a lady.

Mike M. said...

That bit about the Bushes doesn't surprise me. There was steel in GHWB.

PermanentGuest said...

@Der Hahn

It's preposterous to think you can clearly discern a President's character from a PR plug. He's acting, playing into his defined role as a nice, un-peeved cool cat.

Like any political figure in the U.S., you'd be more apt to discern his character through subconscious hints from dealings with others, or away from the camera (much more difficult).

@SarahsDaughter

How does her instinct to criticize him clearly related to his status?

SarahsDaughter said...

In my experience, the natural tendency for women to criticize and berate their husbands (as an attempt at humor or in a malicious manner) is countered by an ALPHA with a reaction that will cease the behavior (a bitch slap - literal or not) It is unbecoming, no matter the situation. She looks a fool. An ALPHA knows this and in public life, is as concerned with her persona as he is his own.
Her immediate reaction is indicative of her heart. He has failed her, and they are both fools.

SarahsDaughter said...

What I think you might be missing is that it is not his character that is being talked about. It's his socio/sexual status.
She behaved in a manner that it is not acceptable to an ALPHA. That it was so natural for her indicates that it's a behavior that has been accepted prior.
Women see this and judge him as weak, not a man to be respected, not the MAN of his house, and not the man that can control his wife's wicked tongue. He is not in charge. He is an ass kisser - we women might say we want this...we don't. Non feminized men that heard what she said lost respect for him and women that are in healthy marriages and understand the power of edification of their husbands laughed at her.

JCclimber said...

Good Lord, when I saw the headline on the news site, I thought this was a perfectly concise indication of Obama's gamma hood.

Can you imagine any actual Alpha's woman even being tempted to do such a thing? No, because she would be living with the 'gina tingle on a regular basis, and would have to think hard to come up with something.

SarahsDaughter said...

I agree with you to an extent JC, though the gina tingle really isn't always constant even when married to an ALPHA. To be sure, I would be hard pressed to come up with my biggest "peeve" for my husband, not because I'm always titillated by him. Even wives of ALPHA's have let their hamster drive their words to get out of line. The correction involved is enough to not let it happen very often. For me, personally, it has been Proverbs. My husband does not have to say a word. God says all that needs to be said. Different ALPHAs will have different methods, my husband's is silence - to me. Don't confuse that with sulking (he doesn't sulk) he goes about his business as usual, excluding interaction with me. It works quite well.

In public, it's kind of like what we say to our kids when they see an out of control child, they ask "did we ever behave like that?" I answer, "yes...once."

Yohami said...

Sarah is right

Yohami said...

If your woman talks you down in public, you´re not alpha. No matter if you own America.

PermanentGuest said...

"In my experience, the natural tendency for women to criticize and berate their husbands (as an attempt at humor or in a malicious manner) is countered by an ALPHA with a reaction"

Perhaps if you find a more stringent example of this. But if you expected him to react (not 'alpha') to her disclosing the existence of peeves, I'd be surprised. [not to mention, we don't know what happens behind closed doors]

"An ALPHA knows this and in public life, is as concerned with her persona as he is his own."

But again, a public figure knows better.

"What I think you might be missing is that it is not his character that is being talked about. It's his socio/sexual status.
She behaved in a manner that it is not acceptable to an ALPHA"

To clarify, I'm using character/socio-sexual status interchangeably. With that said, I don't find what she said here unnerving or even cause for reaction. Would a notoriously cool-headed politician? It simply didn't bother him.

If you wanted an example of where he was publicly bothered: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPVU8Xa9R-c

You can see him tap Biden on the arm, and Biden knows he screwed up. No telling what was said later.

"Different ALPHAs will have different methods"
Why are we assuming his only method must be public?

If You found out that he scolded her later, or gave her the silent treatment, would that change your opinion of his status/rank?

SarahsDaughter said...

Your link displays Biden completely usurping all socio/sexual status of Obama. Watching it again, I laugh with Biden and laugh at Obama. A man that corrects another man (especially a known goof like Biden) with those types of gestures and visual facial scorn, still looks a fool.

"If You found out that he scolded her later, or gave her the silent treatment, would that change your opinion of his status/rank?" - Yes if it happened when he was a junior Senator. Three years into a presidency...no. This woman has never been put in her place (Sensenbrenner made an attempt).

Are you seriously going to create this straw man argument of what Obama may have done afterwards in an attempt to defend his obvious NON-ALPHA status leading up to the interview?

Three years in of being the most powerful man in the world's wife has not tempered her tongue, it is clear she sleeps with a little, little man.

redlegben said...

Obama is the dorky kid we picked on in school. Not the smart kid. He isn't smart. He's the kid that played with legos way past the age you should have. His wife has no respect for him and knows the only reason he is where he is, is because of affirmative action. If she had any respect for him, she would at least do the Hiliary thing and proclaim his wonderfulness while plotting her own strategy. Michele's only strategy is to take as many vacations as she can while becoming friends with Oprah. I would say he was cheating on her already, but he doesn't have the balls to. He desperately needs a James Carville type of guy to fix his metro-sexualness.

Markku said...

What would Putin do?

SarahsDaughter said...

Putin - Is he married to Alina? Can you even imagine her interviewing with Barbara Walters talking about how she prioritizes herself first and that her "peeves" of her husband are too many to list?
Putin = ALPHA
Obama /= ALPHA

Anonymous said...

What kind of drooling idiot is Michelle-from-Olduvai-Gorge, running down her husband like that on TV? Doesn't she realize that her star is hitched to his, so to speak - his chances of reelection affect her own status?
Or is that too complex an idea for her little hominid brain to process?

Orville said...

Putin keeps his wife locked in one of those infamous Russian mental hospitals except for rare photo shoots according to the latest gossip.

Some of you keep saying that keep saying that Obama is an alpha because he's president, and that's bogus. We nearly had Algore, the epitome of the manly man, as president. It's all packaging and image control crotch airbrushing.

DaveD said...

What Permanent Guest is missing isn't so much Obama's response (or not) to Michelle's blatant disrespect; its the fact that she felt free to say it at all. If he was an Alpha, she wouldn't have felt the need to say or felt free to say it even if the hamster ran it through her mind.

She does NOT respect him.

DD

PermanentGuest said...

"Are you seriously going to create this straw man argument of what Obama may have done afterwards in an attempt to defend his obvious NON-ALPHA status leading up to the interview?"

It would help if you didn't confuse a hypothetical question with an argument.

I'm attempting to bore into your logic and see where the 'clear' link between this incident & his status lies. What I've seen so far is your petulance over a quote that was hardly disrespectful likely didn't bother him, and in his current capacity would find it unnecessary to correct her.

To break it down for you: 1) Every man has various perspectives on disrespect. Not every comment bothers everyone equally. If she says something that's clearly disrespectful, and he takes no action (on the spot or otherwise), then your over-analytical judgment would make more sense. 2) I'm not defending (nor am I even preoccupied with) his "alpha status," Yet thinking you can gauge his character from a politicized television interview is as preposterous as evaluating the combat strength of professional wrestlers in the ring.

Anonymous said...

I don't give a damn about Obama, but some comments here are really irritating. As even Vox acknowledges, you can be an ALPHA even though you are a nice guy if you have enough redeeming qualities. As game theorists are happy to inform us, power and status, followed by fame, are the most attractive character traits in a man, and Obama excels in all three.

If Obama walked into a club, like any celebrity, and especially a powerful one like him, he would be the center of attention, and all attractive females would be willing to open their legs for him at his demand. The fact that he personally chooses to not exercise his power over his wife doesn't make him a "little man".

Yohami said...

"If Obama walked into a club..."

The question is if Obama has an alpha frame. Not if the dude is powerful, famous or a celebrity.

His power fame and celebrity status doesnt seem to have any influence on how his wife treats him. So there you go.

Anonymous said...

No, the question is if is an alpha, not if he has an alpha "frame". Yes, allowing your wife to talk down on you (and I think it's really generous to put it this way - it was more of an attempt at being humorous than talking down) is a BETA trait, but a person's socio-sexual status depends on a far greater number of factors than what your attitude is with respect to your wife.

I might allow my hypothetical girlfriend to make fun of me in public, but if I am a 10 on the physical attractiveness scale, and hundreds of 10s want to have sex with me, I am an ALPHA.

Anonymous said...

Is Mystery a BETA because he cries like a baby? ALPHAs are powerful and respected enough that they can afford wasting social points without losing their overall status.

Yohami said...

anon, you can put it anyway you like

still, if my gf talks down to me in public, she´s got a problem.

SarahsDaughter said...

"It would help if you didn't confuse a hypothetical question with an argument." - says the person who continues to interchange character with socio/sexual status (they're not interchangeable even if you claim them to be or use them as if they are).

There are plenty of recorded responses of Obama to various situations that reveal is NON ALPHA status. This is just one more on the list that includes bowing to other country's leaders.

"My list (of peeves) is too long." - this to you is "hardly disrespectful?"

And, women who have long lists stored in their head of things that irritate them about their husbands do not have ALPHA husbands. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

modernguy said...

Seriously, who cares. Women aren't that important. Imagine having SarasDaughter for a wife, you'd better be alpha getting hitched to a busybody like that. Any man with a wife that obsessed with his status has his work cut out for him. As for the socio-sexual heirarchy, who cares? Newton was the lowliest of Omegas by the standards of this petty little forum and he achieved greater things than any of us can even dream of. Women are concerned with producing offspring. Men are called to deeper things. Well, some men are, Yohami notwithstanding.

Trust said...

@modernguy said...Imagine having SarasDaughter for a wife, you'd better be alpha getting hitched to a busybody like that. Any man with a wife that obsessed with his status has his work cut out for him.
________

I've thought that very thing myself, since her response to myriad examples of disrespect, misandric laws, and downright treachery is always "wouldn't happen if he were ALPHA."

It's simply a convenient deflection. Women, do whatever you want, treat the man who works his ass off for you like shit. It's his fault for not being alpha (even though you damn well know it and acted like you valued his dependability and kindness to get your claws into his income for life, oops, I mean to get him to marry a lovely little snowflake like you).

This would be called "blaming the victim" if it were turned around.

PermanentGuest said...

"There are plenty of recorded responses of Obama to various situations that reveal is NON ALPHA status. This is just one more on the list that includes bowing to other country's leaders. "

As I mentioned elsewhere, Obama is extremely cultured (Indonesian/ East African cultural background). As a West African, I can tell you that bowing to others when meeting them, especially elders, is normal and proper (and necessary for respect, for that matter). Even our tribal kings, the top of their tribes, bow to one another. They are hardly supplicating. It is respect, and everyone in the culture knows it. The blabbering, uncultured critics like Limbaugh can criticize him for days out of their own ignorance.

"My list (of peeves) is too long." - this to you is "hardly disrespectful?"

Um no. Perhaps to an insecure man who is afraid to look bad and wants to keep an air of perfection, this would be bothersome. On the other hand if this disturbs you so much, I'm equally skeptical about the rest of your "long list."

"And, women who have long lists stored in their head of things that irritate them about their husbands do not have ALPHA husbands. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand"

This is simply untrue. How many instances do you find a girl complaining to her friends about her 'alpha' boyfriend? Double that if the boyfriend is a deadbeat. He has no job and nothing going for him. He gives her numerous things to talk about him and brings her plenty of drama. Yet the kicker is that he provides strong ATTRACTION, and that outweighs any annoyances or peeves that she has about him. This is the foundation of "chicks love jerks." They complain and complain about him, but wouldn't give him up for the nice guy who's shoulder they cry on.

Alpha /= perfect.

Yohami said...

PG, look for a story about Obama when he was running for senate or something, he called Michelle and kept talking with enthusiasm about something big that the party achieved, and in the middle of it Michelle says ANTS! we have ANTS! and changes the theme abruptly.

Obama says oh this is so earth grounding etc. I wonder if Lincoln was reminded about ants?

In my book though, he´s a tool and she just walks over him.

Mrs. Pilgrim said...

I agree with Vox. One sign of a man's respectability and strength is if his wife respects him. (One, not universally, insert long speech intended to deflect the wrath of the perpetually offended.)

In contrast to Michelle, here is how the wife of Mr. Pilgrim would answer the question:

Barbara Walters: "What is your biggest peeve of each other?"
Mrs. Pilgrim: "I sometimes go blind from overexposure to pure awesomeness."

That was, in fact, my initial reaction to the question once I pondered it. Yes, that's from Kung Fu Panda. Yes, it's mocking Ms. Walters for asking such a retarded question. Yes, I think Mr. P. is awesome (though I don't experience visual disturbances every time he enters the room). I sure as the world ain't going to air any of my minor annoyances with him, whatever they might be.

After years of being subjected to such questions, Mrs. Obama should have better zingers lined up, unless she just doesn't care if she makes her husband look like a fool.

SarahsDaughter said...

"Any man with a wife that obsessed with his status has his work cut out for him."

You may have this completely backwards. I would imagine husbands like my own, Mrs. Pilgrim's, Stingray's and other such ladies' husbands would agree that not only are their wives not high maintenance (anymore), they don't even think about their status or the nature of women because they already know what works well in their relationships.

Trust, I thought of what you had said a while back when I was posting a response earlier(and deleted a line or two). I'm attempting to tame my responses knowing that if I am harsh it doesn't read well.

"As for the socio-sexual heirarchy, who cares" - modernguy
Before reading here, I knew nothing about it. Due to our marriage longevity and the position of my husband, I get asked a lot of marriage advice. Women that don't have sex with their husbands for months at a time, that have many "peeves" - he never does this/that...whatever. They've read the marriage books, gone to counseling and nothing is working. This site has been a fantastic resource for me to direct them to. Often times when I read things here, it occurs to me why our marriage has been so successful. I comment to provide a woman's honest take on it and agreement with what Vox is kind enough to put in words for men that are seeking greater success in their relationships. The Alphas I personally know could care less to help other men with this. I've asked my husband in the past what advice I should give, once I've explained the situation, he's usually so bored he'll just say "that's f'd up."
Thank you Vox for letting me comment on here, if it's unwelcome by some that are voluntarily reading it, just scroll on by.

PermanentGuest: Boyfriends vs. husbands might be different. As a wife, something I found very attractive (though the first time it happened I cried and carried on) was my husband's instruction on the way I will represent our family publicly. It's a high value thing. Something Vox defined for me a long while back.

The LP 999/Linda said...

The same thing crossed my mind along with "weally, Barbara?"

Following in MK's comment, I must ask, what about the leadership style of Dear Putin?

J/k.

Forgive me, I couldn't resist, Putin is hilarious in a unique manner.

While the Presidential interview was airing on ABC, Dateline was re-airing (from Aug 2011) a very depressing but timely snapshot about Millen GA. A town that is very similar to ours, depopulated, jobless and struggling.

This provoking dateline piece featured 3 struggling families and the obvious economics around their job losses, challenges and hope for the future.

Compare and contrast, a family talking about lavish vacations and shopping with foreclosures and an up hill for unemployment.

Both networks choose incredibly poor timing for their Pre-T-mas Eve programming.

Trust said...

@SarahsDaughter said... "Trust, I thought of what you had said a while back when I was posting a response earlier(and deleted a line or two). I'm attempting to tame my responses knowing that if I am harsh it doesn't read well."
__________

I never thought you were harsh, I simply found your deflection amusing. Your response to anything women did to good husbands was to say "wouldn't happen if he were more alpha." While it is true that men can and should behave in a manner that discourages poor behavior in women, it is equally true that women shouldn't shit on good men just because they aren't alphas. Most men aren't alphas, and contrary to what you have said in other posts, women know damn well a man is a beta provider and not an alpha when they marry him..

Mrs. Pilgrim said...

Trust writes: While it is true that men can and should behave in a manner that discourages poor behavior in women, it is equally true that women shouldn't shit on good men just because they aren't alphas. Most men aren't alphas, and contrary to what you have said in other posts, women know damn well a man is a beta provider and not an alpha when they marry him.

Of course; women have responsibility for how we choose to behave toward others. That's why we get called nasty names when we behave badly, after all. Nobody is excusing a woman who treats her man badly just because said man enables her bad behavior.

Also, to be fair, most women go through life believing that marriage means feeling that mad in-love delirium for the rest of the combined life, get disappointed when the relationship gets a little less hormone-driven, and chalk it up to "not being the one" before going off in search of "the one". Don't assume that a society of ignoramuses know what they're about just because it's obvious to people who think, y'know.

SarahsDaughter said...

Trust, I find your insistence that it is deflection equally amusing. In no way am I trying to defend women's treatment of men. What is so fascinating about this site is being able to read observations of the true nature of women (even when it is unbeknownst to them). Observations of women's behavior are not justifications. They're just truth (2+2=4).
Like I said above, my husband will not spend his time to comment much here. We do have great conversations about things posted here. An example he just gave was this: "When I coach soccer, there's a difference between practice and the game. During the game, when I see my players doing something fundamentally wrong, I internalize it and ask myself what I'm doing wrong as a coach." He tied this to your pajama comment under the Merry Christmas Post. He said, "If you were to purchase something like that for me, I will wonder what the f*** I've been doing that would even make you contemplate that buying it would be a good idea."
I know most men are not Alphas, I think it's clear that is why this site even exists. We have our son read this site. He has plenty of "ah ha" moments, but for the most part is still struggling with the truth of what is being said here. We don't want him to pursue women with a lack of an understanding of how women truly think and respond. We do not want him to be frustrated and mad at women because they're hypergamous, attracted to bad boys, inconsistent, prone to saying the opposite of what they actually mean/want, etc.
Of course women "shouldn't" shit on good men just because they're not Alphas, however, why did the scorpion sting the frog that was carrying him across the creek?

Anonymous said...

"As I mentioned elsewhere, Obama is extremely cultured (Indonesian/ East African cultural background). As a West African, I can tell you that bowing to others when meeting them, especially elders, is normal and proper (and necessary for respect, for that matter). Even our tribal kings, the top of their tribes, bow to one another. They are hardly supplicating. It is respect, and everyone in the culture knows it. The blabbering, uncultured critics like Limbaugh can criticize him for days out of their own ignorance."

Obama should be American first. Otherwise you've just given support that he isn't, but deserves to be mocked as an alien.

Der Hahn said...

Oh, and for the record on Roissy .. posted in a comment at the Chateau

heartiste: you know, i understand the science behind the handicap principle, and the validity of vulnerability game -- that is, purposefully hobbling yourself in some trivial, unimportant way to make yourself seem more attainable and emotionally available to a woman -- but there are limits to this self-flagellation, and obama has crossed it. no man worthy of his alpha station in life should allow his wife to browbeat and humiliate him in public like that.

CarpeOro said...

An interesting thread of comments. It appears that Modernguy is arguing from a female perspective while Sarahsdaughter is arguing the definition of an Alpha from a male's. Neither may be perfect, but I think SD is doing the better job. From a male perspective, position aside, Obama looks weak. His wife didn't just make these comments regularly, she makes them constantly. Part of the reason why she had a virtual gag inserted for the end of his first presidential run. Sure, he has a position of power. But that position also puts him up for scrutiny. I don't care how multi-culti you are, unless you are a total figurehead in a matriarchal society that kind of disrespect speaks volumes to other men. If you are in a progressive, matriarchal society and see that (the direction the elite in the USA is taking things) it says even more. A real Alpha is someone that if he was dropped down in the middle of nowhere and was totally unrecognized, would brush himself off and would be recognizable as someone important without the train of bodyguards.

Ian Ironwood said...

I can see the influence of politics on this discussion is going to skew any serious consideration of Obama’s Alpha-hood. But I've studied the man as he's made his rise, and, politics aside, he's an incredibly savvy bull Alpha, who uses the common perception of him as Beta to his great advantage.

Remember that his public and private lives are very much different. His public appearances are well-crafted and thought out to appeal to various demographics. A potent one is women voters, who supported Obama in droves in the last election. Consider that in almost all of the presidential elections the candidate with the higher Sex Rank won out. He has crafted a public persona that will appeal to several different layers.

He's an ostensibly happily married family man. After the sex scandals of the last two decades, his utter lack of scandal or appearance of infidelity gives him sterling appeal in the minds of mainstream American women, who fear a Clinton-esque drama that reflects their own poor choices more than cellulose.

Michelle is a strong Alpha woman who has a commanding presence in any venue. That appeals to the single career women who elevate her social rank when she's shown such deference by Oprah and other popular and powerful women. Her faithful support of her husband provides him with a powerful Preselection buff, which raises his Sex Rank further in the eyes of American women. Add to that the bonuses he gets for his profession and education, his election victories, (let's face it) his race, and the innate power that comes from being POTUS, and he's got the entire XX chromosome community creaming their jeans. Even the hard core GOP women are secretly fantasizing about him and would never admit it.

For men, he provides a balance of Alpha-Beta presentations, always tinting his rhetoric with skillful use of language that balances nuances of tone with semantic content to devastating effect. The male perception of him as father figure is likewise powerful. His very public fathering of his daughters sends a potent message of "Handling His Business" to men who crave examples of good fathering without emasculation. His daughters reflect well on him. Compared to the antics of the Bush girls, the Obama girls' respectable behavior and sincere respect for their father lends incredible subtextual power to his perception among men.

If you see his verbal banter as Beta, you're missing the point. By not publicly airing his marital grievances with his wife, he sends the message that he is a gentleman in his personal affairs. She has an open and sincere affection and admiration for him, which translates to even further esteem amongst men. The way he dresses (also carefully scripted) sends a confident, casual vibe regardless of the situation.

Just consider the anger you can feel in some of the comments above. Feel it. Some people hate Obama with a burning passion. But you don't waste that kind of energy on an ineffectual Beta. Anyone who can arouse that level of emotion is Alpha, pure and simple. If you're seeing more Beta, or any other states, then that's because the POTUS wants you to see it. And he is fooling you by effectively manipulating your perceptions. You might hate him, but you're giving him attention, and that gives him a bonus to his Sex Rank whether you like him or not.

My call in the general election? Obama over the unnamed GOP candidate (probably Gingrich or Romney) by at least 6 points. And that's just looking at adjusted Sex Rank. You throw in the big campaign warchest and intact election machine left over from the last election, and Obama 2.0 is going to mangle whoever runs against him. Just sayin'.

Mrs. Pilgrim said...

Even the hard core GOP women are secretly fantasizing about him and would never admit it.

*snerk* Do I smell some projection here?

Vox said...

I've studied the man as he's made his rise, and, politics aside, he's an incredibly savvy bull Alpha, who uses the common perception of him as Beta to his great advantage.

If you've looked into his history, then you should know that he is most likely Lambda. If he was, as you say, "a bull Alpha", that brings up the obvious question: where are the hordes of ex-girlfriends? Where are the current ones?

And until McCain, he hadn't beaten anyone in a contested election except at the lowest level.

Ian Ironwood said...

Perhaps a more definitive examination would provide a more precise classification, but I stand behind the bulk of my analysis. Obama is not a Beta. Betas don't win elections -- and yes, he's only had a handful to examine, but consider that an aggressive Alpha in pursuit of elective office -- and with a good working knowledge of what it takes to win an election -- would only enter into an election contest is he was reasonably certain of the outcome. Dude made it to the presidency in two steps. He didn't blindly stumble his way there.

Public personae and private personae are different, and you won't find any greater difference than in a political family before an election. But mistaking the public for the private would be an inaccurate assessment of the man.

Hordes of ex-girlfriends? If he's had affairs, then they've been incredibly discreet. More than likely he's exercised some massive self-control as he's kept his eyes on the prize -- and in my humble opinion as a Sex Nerd and a careful observer of human behavior, I'm guessing that Michelle learned a valuable lesson from the Clinton Administration and is making sure that her husband's needs are being met. A gentleman wouldn't speculate any further than that, but considering how intently the Obamas have been subject to Oppo over the last few years, if there was any hint of an affair it would be all over the news by now. Therefore Michelle is taking care of business.

The pure magnetic nature of the office of the presidency is such that even a wizened old troll is going to be irresistible to some women. That kind of political power is as alluring as a diamond necklace, and its not uncommon for powerful men to have women come out of the woodwork and throw themselves at them. But Obama's primary public personae is one of cool control, and even one Clinton-esque "bimbo eruption" would destroy that. No doubt he's taken steps to protect himself from such females.

Besides, I can totally see Michelle being willing and able to cut a bitch, if necessary.

Anonymous said...

I was embaressed for him and thought less of her for this. Though I will note that women get cut apart by other women if they don't play this game and it could have just been a knee jerk reaction or prepping to make them seem like common folk.

Either way, it didn't make either of them go any higher in my esteem but I doubt they care.

CC

Anonymous said...

I noticed the comments of some other women on here and concur. When I was newly married I made this mistake a few times. I tried to humorously fit in and added some things to a conversation about Husbands. My Husband's look was terrifying, and then he ignored me for quite awhile and then informed me that if I did it again...I forget what he said. I don't think he said he would divorce me..but he said something and I took him seriously. Frankly I do not associate with women very much. They will pariah you if you don't do the whole I hate men thing and my Husband pisses me off on a regular basis and could care less and only a very small percentage time apologizes. So I am usually enraged and don't want to give into doing this to him. I am a Christian and I take it seriously.

He seems to take this as he needs no accountability for his actions and seems to like to piss me off more and more. I am learning to let God handle him.

But yeah, I go with Barbara Bush on that and will teach my Son about that. You cannot allow your wife to foolishly trash you to everyone. And even though we women do it, we despise other women who do it. Makes no sense :)
CC

Stingray said...

I just read through some of these comments and I can say this:

"I would imagine husbands like my own, Mrs. Pilgrim's, Stingray's and other such ladies' husbands would agree that not only are their wives not high maintenance (anymore), they don't even think about their status or the nature of women because they already know what works well in their relationships. "

is true in my case. To a fault actually. It bothers him that I still have clothes from college and don't like to spring for new ones because I simply don't want to spend the money. It took me a long time to realize that looking nice was, sometimes, more important than being frugal.

Markku said...

"Obama is not a Beta. Betas don't win elections"

What Vox means is that Obama is probably homosexual.

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