Saturday, March 12, 2011

Developing Sigma

Although it would not be unreasonable to suspect me of snowflaking in developing the concept of the sigma, this was not the case. Its development came about as a result of the observation that there was a significant distinction between the attributes and behavior of Roissy's sexual alpha and the socially dominant alpha male, and it was the contemplation of the various distinctions and similarities involved that inspired me to come up with the concept of a socio-sexual hierarchy in the first place.

The reason for the development of the sigma was fairly simple. It was readily apparent that Roissy's alpha description applied to both my brother and me, but the two of us are nearly as different in attitude, attributes, and behavior as Narcissus and Goldmund. His appeal to women was based on extraordinarily good looks and an open, charming demeanor. Mine was largely derived from the reaction to my arrogance and vicious comportment. He was popular and at the center of all the social activity from junior high onward. I was unpopular until tenth grade and couldn't be bothered to show up for homecoming, prom, or an invitation to rush the most desirable fraternity on campus. He was affable and friendly. I was cold and cruel. About the only thing we had in common was an unusually high level of self-regard.

But there was an important difference even there. His self-regard was externally derived, whereas mine was internal. He blossomed like a flower in the sunshine of feminine and masculine approval alike, whereas I tended to hold both in contempt. He had many friends, I had all of one until eighth grade and didn't see any need for more. But neither of us ever lacked for attention from highly attractive women once we hit sixteen.

So, it was perfectly obvious to me that one category was not enough to contain two such vastly different social animals if anything beyond a crude sexual scorecard was to be taken into account. It was also clear that while my brother's behavior was very much in keeping with the conventional description of the alpha, mine was not. Moreover, there happened to be a very small number of men of my acquaintance who tended to not fit the conventional alpha pattern in very much the same way that I did not. Thus was developed the concept of the sigma.

Many people interested in the expanded socio-sexual hierarchy have asked me if I think sigma status is more akin to the natural alpha or the synthetic alpha of the Game master. I think it is more like the former, as there appear to be some developmental elements that cause the sigma to be more comfortable outside the social world than inside it. Having grown up in the company of an alpha from his earliest childhood, it is fairly easy to note some of the ways in which our development processes differed.

The two biggest childhood differences between us, as I recall, were that my personality was much less intrinsically likeable than his and my accomplishments were more impressive. I was the larval form of an omega, (remember, the sexual hierarchy can't apply directly to pre-pubescent children), while simultaneously being openly recognized as intellectually and athletically superior to all of my age peers at school and other organizations. It's a rather unusual combination, given that athletic accomplishment usually translates to at least some level of social success.  Usually, but not always.

Note that by recognized, I don't mean people saying "yah, that kid is real smart" or whatever. I am talking about objective metrics that no one could help noticing, whether it was winning all of the spelling, math, and reading competitions at school or finishing first in the events for the annual Presidential Physical Fitness programs that everyone had to do in elementary school. It doesn't matter how modestly you comport yourself, if you're kicking everyone's ass on a regular and comprehensive basis, other children will eventually come to resent it. Particularly if you happen to be the smallest, youngest kid in the class with a relatively disagreeable personality.

Gabriel noted in a previous post that the difference between the omega's oversized ego and the alpha's is that the alpha's ego is based in reality. So, I think that we can reasonably infer that a sigma is what results when an omega develops an oversized ego that happens to be reality-based. In support of this explanation is the observation that the few men that I consider to be sigmas on the basis of their a) genuine indifference to the social hierarchy, and b) uniform involvement with highly attractive women also happen to be exceptional in one or more regards.

This may explain why sigmas are relatively rare. They can more reasonably be considered a strange, socially successful form of omega than a non-conformist alpha variant. Gammas, deltas, and betas who learn Game can become synthetic alphas, but I don't know if they could as easily become synthetic sigmas.  Whereas faking confidence often leads to real confidence over time, I have not seen that faking indifference leads to genuine indifference in the same way. Still, since we have defined Game as the intentional and articulated emulation of the naturally successful by the previously unsuccessful, synthetic sigmahood should at least theoretically be possible.

Unlike omegas, sigmas always learn the rules of the social hierarchy from observation, but their understanding of them is more of an intellectualized practical grasp than a true intuitive understanding. They don't struggle with the hierarchy, they only struggle to take it seriously. Whereas the beta and delta automatically abide by the rules and the gamma resists them, the sigma's usual reaction is one of vague surprise. "You cannot be serious" is the sigma's mantra, and is applied instinctively to everything from an alpha's dominance display to a woman's test. Because whether he abides by the rules of the social hierarchy or fails to abide by them, the sigma doesn't have much of an opinion because he doesn't regard them as applying to him.

Is the sigma classification really necessary? I don't know. Perhaps "high omega" would be as meaningful and inspire less confusion among gammas who are reluctant to acknowledge their place on the totem pole. But it sounds cool, and if there is one thing that sigmas have going for them, it is that they are usually viewed as being rather cool in comparison with the average alpha or omega.

95 comments:

The Great and Powerful Oz said...

Interesting idea. Some of the description does sound a bit like Asperger's Syndrome. I think I can learn some things from following your blog.

Joseph Dantes said...

Well, that explains a lot.

SarahsDaughter said...

This has helped me understand so much. I often wondered why some womens’ husbands would dote on them with flowers and gifts even when those women were being obnoxious, belittling fools. I thought maybe it was due to guilt over them working to make his boat payment. Our home’s vertical alignment is in place but I have asked my husband this question. His “it doesn’t occur to me” responses made me question even more what it was that “occurred” to these other husbands. Granted, when something does “occur” to my husband, it often blows me away, is quite valuable, and usually corresponds with economic trends. (I.e. waiting to give me my dream Suburban until gas prices hit $4/gallon and thus buying it several thousand dollars below blue book.) Seeing him in this socio-sexual hierarchy has been fascinating.

Vox said...

Yes, he regards himself as having intrinsic high value. Those other men don't, which is why they feel they have to compensate for it by offering propitiatory sacrifices.

Jess T. Mills, IV said...

I think perhaps the "Sigma" classification can be arrived at in several different ways.

I had noticed throughout my life that I was assumed to be an Alpha, and often ended up in leadership positions. However, I have no desire to be a leader, and once I came to realize this about myself, spent a great deal of time moving into a position where I had to neither lead nor follow, and have for the most part remained there. I know Alphas, whose burning ambition to be in charge of all things renders them charismatic. Great for them. I am not one of those.

In relationships, I had little success for a long time, because I started out indifferent, which rendered me very attractive. But then once I got into a relationship, I decided to follow what I thought "the rules" were, in other words, I became a beta. This led to the obvious consequences. Eventually, I decided I just didn't care, and was going to do my own thing. This led to a much greater deal of success. Was I an alpha? Not even close. But I quit being a Beta.

I only recently discovered Game theory, and it has explained a lot. However, unlike 90% of the men who comment on this topic, I am no Alpha. I know I'm no Alpha. And quite frankly, it seems like way too much work to be one. But the simple fact that I don't care gives me quasi-alpha status in the dating world.

Whether or not that fits your definition of "Sigma," I do not know. However, since none of the other categories seem to fit, it works for me.

Joseph Dantes said...

Given my interest in shopping for soul components a la carte, I reviewed my system to see what sigma psychological pieces might be missing. Contempt was already explicitly represented, along with the dark triad. However, "The social hierarchy isn't real," is a useful missing piece... when given an intellectual coloration.

When given an angry coloration, the maxim would become bitter; a dominant one would be oxymoronic; a joyful one would be pathetic; a soulful one would be weak.

It works best as a de-limiting rational belief that expands the boundaries of what's possible. Obviously Game already teaches similar principles but there is a great difference between understanding something and being continually mindful of it. I'm excited to see what behavior changes it will produce, long term.

I'm sure this makes sense to almost no one... carry on...

Markku said...

"90% of the men who comment on this topic, I am no Alpha"

It is sigma that 90% of commenters think they are. Very few claim to be alpha, as that would require pointing to an actual social circle that you dominate. Sigma is nice and nebulous.

Vox said...

However, unlike 90% of the men who comment on this topic, I am no Alpha. I know I'm no Alpha.

However, unlike 90% of the men who comment on this topic, I am no Alpha. I know I'm no Alpha.

You're even less likely to be a sigma, given your lack of relationship success. Given your lack of bitterness and the respect you garner from men, you're probably a high delta.

Jess T. Mills, IV said...

On Vox's other blog and on Roissy's, it seems that everybody is claiming to be an Alpha. They qualify it as "Stealth" Alpha, or "Natural" Alpha, or some such. I don't see a lot of people claiming to be a Sigma. And by a lot, I mean I haven't seen any.

Then again, I haven't read every comment in every post.

Sigma may be nebulous, but considering the success I've had with women who are quite gorgeous, it's either that, or I'm an Alpha. And I fit that category very poorly.

Markku said...

That's because

a) Roissy uses different terminology. Vox's sigma is Roissy's alpha, although vox's alpha is also Roissy's alpha

b) Claiming to be a sigma has become such a joke at Vox Popoli, that it's not done nearly as much anymore. Everybody except the newbies will know what follows.

Jess T. Mills, IV said...

Perhaps I should clarify: there was a time when I had lack of long-term relationship success. Getting girls in the sack? No issue whatsoever. Getting them to date me for more than a month? That was a problem. And it was because I had this idea that to make a long-term relationship work, I had to follow what society said was the proper procedures. Which I now see as total Beta behavior.

Once I quit trying to do that, I had no problem since.

High delta? Eh. If that's what you want to see.

Jess T. Mills, IV said...

Everybody is claiming to be a Sigma? Interesting.

Well, by Roissy's standards of success, I'm a high alpha. But I don't fit in with a lot of his alpha behavior, and almost none of Vox's.

If that makes me a porn star delta, so be it. It doesn't really matter to me, I just was making an observation.

The Great and Powerful Oz said...

I already know that I'm no Alpha. That's why I am following a bunch of these blogs. Everything I was taught about relationships and attraction over the past 50 years were wrong. I want to understand and internalize what does work.

It is probably is too late for me, but once I am ordained I am hoping I will be able to steer some young people into sustainable relationship models.

Vox said...

Well, by Roissy's standards of success, I'm a high alpha.

In that case, you are almost surely are a sigma. I misunderstood what you meant by lack of relationship success.

I don't care what people are, but I do think that those who wish to utilize Game to modify their behavior and their lives should take the time to identify themselves correctly, otherwise their efforts will be much less likely to succeed.

That's why I appreciate the honesty shown by Gabriel, RM, and DJ. Their successes and failures are 100x more valuable to readers than more alphas beating their chests about how great and successful they are. Or, for that matter, sigmas sharing crazy stories that raise questions about their sanity, amusing as they might be.

Vox said...

Getting girls in the sack? No issue whatsoever. Getting them to date me for more than a month? That was a problem. And it was because I had this idea that to make a long-term relationship work, I had to follow what society said was the proper procedures.

Mmmmm, you may well be incorrect here. One thing that may - MAY - be an identifying characteristic of sigmas versus alphas is that women are more likely to pursue sex with them than pursue relationships is due to their outsider status.

Just as women can get away with having sex if they are "so drunk", they can get away with it even more easily if they have sex with someone that comes with no potential social cost. Part of the appeal of the sigma may be similar to the appeal of travel sex.

On the other hand, a relationship with a sigma doesn't bring the same benefits as a relationship with an alpha.

MeMyselfI said...

I've been professionally diagnosed with 150-160 IQ, mild Aspergers, and ADD (not ADHD).

I tested as a sigma via that online test you posted a few days ago, but that was no suprise to me, of course. Your description of Sigma fits me to a T.

I'm NOT a joiner. I told my wife I'm no longer bothering with "Church" several years ago.

We home school. When my wife started losing control of our teenage children I told her to get her ass out of the house and get a job and that *I* would do the schooling from now on.

I got asked to STOP coaching a Church High School basketball team because I insisted that part of the purpose of competition was for boys to learn to be men and also to WIN. I also refused to coach a girls team because girls shouldn't be playing basketball like boys.

I almost single-handedly rescued the family manufacturing business from certain death and then walked away from MILLIONS of dollars of earned equity simply because my own *MOTHER* started shit-testing me. I have many other legendary exploits...

But, I am not exactly "alpha". I'm not smooth. I'm not a player. I'm pretty much a "scary dude" socially - and I like it that way. If people around me don't like it - tough.

I do my own thing. I will not toe "the" line. Sigma fits well enough.

Markku said...

See, Jess? That's what it was like.

ALL.
THE.
TIME.

Joseph Dantes said...

Hey I just got another one.

I was reflecting on the how although sigma contempt should definitely fit under anger, it doesn't include any lack of wellbeing.

And obviously, a major source of that well being is their defining feature, banging hot girls.

I've got a wellbeing koan to that effect in the joy section, but wellbeing is a feature of the soul... so I added a new koan, "I fuck the hottest girls," to the blue-green section.

RealMatt said...

@MemyselfI

Women want you.

Men want you.

You only want the women.

A Sigma is an Alpha minus the desire to be the leader, for whatever reasons he has.

If this is not you, then you are not a Sigma.

Just as Roissy's sex only Alpha isn't Vox Alpha, a social only Vox Sigma isn't a complete Vox Sigma.

Rambo could obliterate everyone in his field. He was certainly not a Sigma.

Vox is not a creepy weirdo. I think we need to establish that Sigma does not = creepy weirdo. Aragorn is not a creepy weirdo. Dirty Harry is not a creepy weirdo.

Rambo is most definitely a creepy weirdo.

SOCIO-sexual hierarchy.

Markku said...

John Rambo was the example of a movie omega at Vox Popoli, back in the day.

Jess T. Mills, IV said...

To Markku:

Yes, indeed. I see what you mean.

Actually, I'm not so interested in Game theory for picking up women anymore, as I'm engaged to a woman who manages to not fit most of the stereotypes (NAWALT!). I am not interested in changing myself, per se. So my classification is an academic exercise, at best.

I am more interested in Game Theory for how it explains female psychology. I had long ago accepted that what women said and what women did had very little relation to each other. But Game Theory explains the why extremely well. And one of the driving forces in my life has always been to better understand the "why" of everything.

RealMatt said...

People might want to hang with you at work, or look to you to lead or defer to you, but if they ignore you completely outside of work, then you are not their leader and they don't want you.

Though I'm not so sure I'd even want to follow Rambo while he's running around destroying everyone before you have a chance to decipher his orders.

Try to remember that your place has almost entirely to do with the hangups other people have. Those people following their precious Alpha could hate his guts. People are desperate for power and desperate to be led simultaneously.

Iago hated Othello.

Ben-El said...

"sigmas always learn the rules of the social hierarchy from observation, but their understanding of them is more of an intellectualized practical grasp than a true intuitive understanding."

While I consider myself an omega, all the rules I learn are learned in this manner. Even when I learn things about myself, I do it from deduction of my own behavior. Unless I'm drunk or high, I can't feel the beat...

RealMatt said...

Avatar: The Omega becomes the Alpha by conquering the big bird, and the hypergamous nature of the follower is revealed.

Its worth noting that anyone looking for a leader is 9 times out of 10, hypergamous.

Yes I realize the term hyperGAMous is about sexual relations, but if there is a word for the social equivalent, I don't know it or can't remember.

A woman is always looking for her leader. So you must always lead.

MeMyselfI said...

RealMatt said:

"A Sigma is an Alpha minus the desire to be the leader, for whatever reasons he has."

Yes, this is exactly right. People look to me to be the leader ALL THE TIME. I usually decline, at least until everyone else has FUBAR'd the situation... THEN I will, maybe, step in and fix it.

When I quit my Church I wasn't officially on ANY committees or boards... but I was the guy that GOT SHIT DONE. After I left the various boards continued to contact me for assistance... daycare business matters, tax questions and problems, constituional issues, mortgage refi, etc. After a while I told them to knock it off because I did NOT CARE if they survived or not.

My reasons for not leading are varied. Mostly the meaninglessness of it all - I get tired of interfering with the "natural" outcome of things. When I do "ordinary" people don't seem to learn anything. Sometimes it's the lack of appreciation, but not very often. A lot of the time it's because I'm just plain BORED OUT OF MY MIND (that's probably the ADD talking, though :)

As for women... I'm a strong father to three daughters and three sons. My wife and girls are gamed CONSTANTLY to keep them happy and sweet. They know that I am THE man in their life until I say otherwise. My boys understand game and the true nature of women... even my youngest - 5 yr old son - will neg his older sisters. Otherwise, I know women want me, but I don't entertain it. I really don't care if they do. That's sigma, too. Sort of a variation on the "why go out for hamburger when you can have steak at home" theme.

Kyle said...

The distinction between sexual and socio-sexual hierarchy is quite useful; I hadn't fully grasped just what that meant before.

I suspect that most people interested in learning Game (especially of the PUA stripe) don't really care about being socially dominant or whatever. I sure don't. Things like parties and most types of social get-togethers bore me out of my skull. I find time spent with just one or two friends to be much more enjoyable. I'd much rather have time to sit around playing guitar or video games or whatever than be the most popular guy in a room full of people I don't care about. The downside, of course, is that this makes meeting women more difficult. It seems that perhaps becoming more socially successful is a crucial element in having more success with women, like it or not.

T14 said...

The Sigma is damn near the weirdest thing I've ever heard of. Sexual success without social success? Outside of celebrity, never seen it. I've never known a remarkably attractive man to fly solo. I think it worth noting that citation to film characters is often necessary to describe the concept. It is a great concept, gives the asocial gamer hope.

Problem is the asocial aspies do not need hope. They need to get off of their computer, out of their house, and start being social.

Good rule of thumb, if you have spent more than 5 minutes reading up on this topic, you are not a sigma. And you do need to leave the house and get a social circle to get laid (by any girl with railing).

Nate said...

Wait...

I don't recall anyone claiming to be alpha except me. I've called JACIII alpha. But he's never claimed it himself as he thinks all of this is beneath him.

I find the discussion interesting on an theory level, and thus I don't mind participating.

Dread said...

I have some thoughts. Although, they are not important enough to me to post at this time. BTW, like my Dave Murray [1] imitation?


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[1] If I wanted to be Dave Murray. Most people say, I resemble more -- Axel Rudi Pell. Given a choice, I'd be Dave Mustaine. I betcha even Charlie Sheen would want to be Mustaine.

Wondering Goym said...

Thanks for clarifying a bit on Sigmadom. It's good to see the parallels to Omega wasn't simply my misunderstanding.

Even though you don't see the practical likelihood of a synthetic Sigma, it might be worth exploring for introverts to trail a path more similar to that than parroting Alpha behavior. Becoming a successful ambivert is far more feasible than completely reversing your polarities, esp. past developmental years.

Duke of Earl said...

I'm a scary weirdo. Definitely not Sigma then. :-)

Seriously though, I find all this interesting, but it really doesn't mean that much to me.
It's hard to care about a game when you can't tell what the rules are supposed to be.

zoegirl said...

Sigma sounds like a MBTI INTx to me. I do wonder how much personality type correlates with your classifications.

Desert Cat said...

Probably INTJ, not so much INTP.

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In re: suddenly being noticed at age sixteen, years later I figured out what happened. My junior year of high school was 1980, and the Pointer Sisters had just released "He's So Shy".

Well.

The girls heard the song, looked around and spotted me, and said "Ooh! There he is! Me first!!"

I don't know, maybe I could have been called an Omega during the 5 years leading up to then, but it was not from some fundamental weirdness or unpleasant personality, just painful shyness. But when they start throwing themselves at you, and you join the drama club and get a part in the school play, then debate and speech team the next year, get a girlfriend and get laid, well the shyness becomes not so much an issue anymore very quickly.

Still I owe the Pointer Sisters a big one.

Ezra said...

zoegirl: I am a probable Sigma and an ENTJ on the MBTI scale. I could easily agree on the "NT", but as counterintuitive as it may seem on the surface, I don't think an "E" is in any way incompatible with a Sigma. However, I believe the dominant feature of that personality type as expressed in the Simga is in his immediate confidence that his first conclusion is the correct conclusion.

cartusiae said...

Took the quiz on a whim, sigma; Took it second time for kicks and hacks so I answered 'omega' types of responses, result: sigma.

150 +; INTJ.

And a pastor. When the seminary class took MBTI, I was the only J, and three people stared at me and said "you REALLY don't care what people think, do you?" "Not a damn", I responded and didn't remember it til response called for concrete example. Note the "really"-- this bunch of betas and deltas actually spent time gabbing about me and had formed an opinion about whether I cared. And I never hung with them after an incident when they mocked a girl who had the most severe allergies I'd ever seen for being 'down too much'. That was the first and last time--wasn't worth it and they'd provide nothing but the huddling warmth of a clique.

I was a squad leader in NSCC for the three years in, but could care less unless I cared about the ACTIVITY. Then I found the best around, learned from them, and went and did.

Funny the sigma pic was Riddick; that's about the only screen character I've ever found interesting enough to examine. Rambo--liked it better in the book when the colonel capped him at the end.

Ezra said...

There may be an unusually high amount of Sigma readers here. Vox's posts have a particular appeal to that mindset. Vox: you gave me a good laugh in your tail of Omega to Sigma. The fact that you even referenced the Presidential Physical Fitness testing of years gone by is a startling parallel to my own journey.

I too was the smallest and youngest amongst my classmates, entering public school in sixth grade after homeschooling to that day. I don't know that I had any consciousness of a social hierarchy or if I did I dismissed it almost immediately. While I did not dominate the top of the heap athletically, I performed far beyond my size (and therefore expectations). You may recall the President's Academic Fitness testing as well, and it was there I believe the Sigma seed was planted. My results came in at 99.9x% across the board. When it was explained to me that this was a comparison to everyone else in the country, that had a profound effect on a young boy's mind. I suddenly had some objective proof of what every Omega deludes himself: I was a Fire Beetle in a writhing mass of larva.

That seminal stage as a "social outsider", combined with a sense of being the only swimmer with your head above water in a sea of the drowning, and finally some extraordinary trait (on which one gains tremendous confidnece in his youth) are the perfect cocktail to create a Sigma.

Years later my deep Christian commitment but naive understanding mistakenly dipped me into a Delta stage (I'm sure many can relate), but otherwise the discovery of this "Sigma" concept is quite a window into explaining the strange course of my life.

Bravo Vox, interesting material. On a side note it occurs to me I could possibly contribute to this blog. I have some unique experiences (e.g. married at 16 years of age) that would provide a few juicy and unexpected bits I am sure.

Ezra said...

There may be an unusually high amount of Sigma readers here. Vox's posts have a particular appeal to that mindset. Vox: you gave me a good laugh in your tail of Omega to Sigma. The fact that you even referenced the Presidential Physical Fitness testing of years gone by is a startling parallel to my own journey.

I too was the smallest and youngest amongst my classmates, entering public school in sixth grade after homeschooling to that day. I don't know that I had any consciousness of a social hierarchy or if I did I dismissed it almost immediately. While I did not dominate the top of the heap athletically, I performed far beyond my size (and therefore expectations). You may recall the President's Academic Fitness testing as well, and it was there I believe the Sigma seed was planted. My results came in at 99.9x% across the board. When it was explained to me that this was a comparison to everyone else in the country, that had a profound effect on a young boy's mind. I suddenly had some objective proof of what every Omega deludes himself: I was a Fire Beetle in a writhing mass of larva.

That seminal stage as a "social outsider", combined with a sense of being the only swimmer with your head above water in a sea of the drowning, and finally some extraordinary trait (on which one gains tremendous confidnece in his youth) are the perfect cocktail to create a Sigma.

Years later my deep Christian commitment but naive understanding mistakenly dipped me into a Delta stage (I'm sure many can relate), but otherwise the discovery of this "Sigma" concept is quite a window into explaining the strange course of my life.

Bravo Vox, interesting material. On a side note it occurs to me I could possibly contribute to this blog. I have some unique experiences (e.g. married at 16 years of age) that would provide a few juicy and unexpected bits I am sure.

Markku said...

"Took the quiz on a whim, sigma;"

Quoting the post:

DW has created a quiz on the male socio-sexual hierarchy. So go ahead and take it, all you precious male snowflakes, and report back on how astonishingly alphasexy you are! (...) this is certainly entertaining for starters.

You clearly haven't figured out this Award-Winning Cruelty Artist -thing.

Ezra said...

There may be an unusually high amount of Sigma readers here. Vox's posts have a particular appeal to that mindset. Vox: you gave me a good laugh in your tale of Omega to Sigma. The fact that you even referenced the Presidential Physical Fitness testing of years gone by is a startling parallel to my own journey.

I too was the smallest and youngest amongst my classmates, entering public school in sixth grade after homeschooling to that day. I don't know that I had any consciousness of a social hierarchy or if I did I dismissed it almost immediately. While I did not dominate the top of the heap athletically, I performed far beyond my size (and therefore expectations). You may recall the President's Academic Fitness testing as well, and it was there I believe the Sigma seed was planted. My results came in at 99.9x% across the board. When it was explained to me that this was a comparison to everyone else in the country, that had a profound effect on a young boy's mind. I suddenly had some objective proof of what every Omega deludes himself: I was a Fire Beetle in a writhing mass of larva.

That seminal stage as a "social outsider", combined with a sense of being the only swimmer with your head above water in a sea of the drowning, and finally some extraordinary trait (on which one gains tremendous confidnece in his youth) are the perfect cocktail to create a Sigma.

Nate said...

Anyone fancying themselves a sigma should read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Zaphod Beeblebrox is the most perfect sigma ever described.

If you don't have Zaphod coursing through your veins... You ain't a sigma.

Now I don't know if you noticed... but VD has some serious Zaphod issues.

DJ said...

@MEMYSELFI
Gaming your daughters obviously helps them respect and follow you. What is your take on what you should teach them for entering the dating market. College is not a good environment to send any daughter you love unprepared.

RealMatt said...

@DJ

College is not a good environment to send anyone you don't wish to meet a torturous death.

The best you can do with a daughter, aside from threatening to disown her if she doesn't marry the man you find for her, is to be the example. Be the man in her life.

Aside from that, it's out of your hands.

cartusiae said...

Nope, Markku

'On a whim' means 'on a whim';

Most professionals in the US have taken personality inventories since being embryos.

Most human-relation oriented professions give inventories until inventories take on the rough equivalent of pulling a handgun from a rack and firing it blind and then working the sights and trigger pull until the shot is sweet.

Snowflakes worried about their precious nougat egos don't hit dirt in that environment--they melt long before taking inventories on a whim.

Award winning cruelty artist YOU certainly aren't, since those of us who enjoy bracing people against reality don't go around acting like the bouncy delta trying to score points by talking about the social rules.

Gerbil.

Jack Amok said...

I always thought of Sigma as a pre-jaded Alpha. Alpha is, despite the women and the attention and the money, often a shitty existence. Everybody wants your time and energy, and to remain Alpha, you have to deliver. There is a boatload of responsibility that goes with Alpha, and it comes with the knowledge that someone - probably several of them - are waiting for any opportunity to knock you down and take your place.

Beta is a hell of a lot of work, but it's not your fault when things go wrong so you move on to the next gig with a clear conscience and a light heart and a decent paycheck (at least until recently anyway). And nobody's trying to stab you in the back.

Alpha is stress like crazy, because you've got to make the whole damn social structure work, and there are never enough Betas for that to be an easy task. I suspect there is a massively high attrition rate among Alphas in the 30-45 age bracket. That's when you start running up against other Alphas who are your match, fighting for the next rung on the ladder. It's not an easy fight. A lot of Alphas burn out and drop to Betas at that point. At least human society has a soft landing for Alphas who lose out. Chimp Alphas end up with their balls ripped off.

I suspect Sigmas just had the intuition to see that the odds were against them, no matter how good they were. That the game didn't have any permanent winners and that eventually everyone got chewed up by the machine. So they never developed the emotional investment in the system that drives Alphas.

So says Jack Amok, and Alpha who is pissed off at "the system" and is adopting Sigma Game the way Roissy's Delta's adopt Alpha Game. Not for chicks, I got one of those who gives me plenty of satisfaction. For all the other perks in life.

ZT said...

@Nate; I thought Vox played "Zaphod" in the movie before he shaved the sides of his head?

@Vox; Thanks for the clarification on Sigma. You need a Game wiki where all this stuff can be recorded.

nate said...

Sigma's aren't pissed at any system. They simply have enormous ego and self-esteem that is based in reality and real world success... and though people want to follow them... they have no desire to lead.

Remember Forrest Gump running across america? That was a very sigmaish deal. He's running. He doesn't give a crap who's running with him... and is only vaguely aware of the fact that he is famous and has followers.

Then he just walks away. NO explanation.

An alpha would've handled it very differently.. and an omega never would've gotten followers at all.

Nate said...

And on Alpha... Its not stressful. Alphas instinctively know that there are bigger fish in the pond. They are not animals. They know the big dogs.. and accept a co-leaderish type status... or leave.

My prefered tactic is to simply tell the other alpha to handle things... as if I am dismissing the light work to him. He feels like a big dog... but he's actually obeying my order. We both know it but its an artful way to avoid a conflict that is simply pointless.

Another tactic is to simply walk out of the room. This seems like submission except that plenty of people will follow me. Which sends the unspoken message well enough.

In the event I found myself in the company of an elite alpha... I mean a .01%er....I enjoy his company.

We are all Voxian Betas to someone... even if that someone is He.

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DmL said...

Vox/Gamemasters,

This post really struck a chord with me, so I thought I'd get ya'll's opinion. My situation differs quite a bit too, seems unique and I'm kinda confused.

I never had any trouble getting the girl. I'd pick one and go-- or an acceptable girl would "ask me out" and that was that-- this since I was a kid and on through til I got married. I am incredibly introverted. I love learning (I even read most of the comments just for the people-watching), and I don't care to be involved much. I did well in school, and I've always been artistic. People liked me and I like people but I didn't care to hang out very often. As time went on I learned extroversion, 'cause I enjoyed the challenge and it's a useful skill. I'm sorta an xNTx now.

My bro on the other hand... the girls were constantly throwing themselves at him. He was (or seemed) extroverted all the way, constantly surrounded by guys and girls. He was the center of attention everywhere he went. But he was always complaining to me-- about how he couldn't get a girlfriend, about how he wasn't *good* at anything.

It's like he was a natural Alpha, but wanted earn it. Or he was just disillusioned and didn't think of any of the girls as wife material (we're both committed xtians)? I don't know. He told me a couple years ago that it was mostly front. And as time went on, I became a bit more like him, and he became alot more like me. He learned to play the guitar, etc. He chilled out alot. He found joy in being alone. I'm coming on 6 years marriage with 2 kids. He's lightened up and suddenly, he will be getting married this fall.

I should probably mention I'm 18mos older than him, and our older brother (3 years my senior) was also a bit of an Alpha-type. So maybe he wasn't sure which of us to model after?

Thoughts?

Vox said...

It's like he was a natural Alpha, but wanted earn it.

That's not uncommon among alphas. Things come easy to them, so they know on some level that they haven't earned it and some of them want to feel that they have. They have real self-confidence, but because it is externally derived and based on other people's behavior, they have to continue feeding it. Think about how every rich and powerful senator flirts with the idea of running for president.

Nate, any thoughts on this?

A said...

I dunno, I think that faking indifference can lead to genuine indifference. I have been reading Vox's blog for 3 years now and read all of his archives, and I have to admit that I see the world in a different light now, one with much more indifference to bitching, whiny women and clueless idiots. I used to tear up sometimes when thinking about them (was a hardcore Gamma as a teenager) but now, the simplest, most direct way to put it, I could not care less.

Nate said...

The drive to earn something you've already been given, but know you don't deserve, is obviously something we Christians are familiar with.

Its like you've set a bar so high in the past you have to continually live up to it in the present... otherwise... God Forbid... you're that pathetic loser that still talks about his glory days back in high school.

Think about the bizarre challenges you've seen JAC and I dream up for ourselves for no reason what-so-ever... just to see if we can do it. I mean who rides across the US on entirely on dirt roads? Who wakes up one day and says, "yeah lots of people can ride 1000 miles on a motorcycle in 24 hours... but what if sleep for 6 of them?" Or says, "I want to learn to shoot pistols at the same time." or "I want to see if its even possible to shoot a pistol while riding a motorcycle."

JAC and I always have something we're trying to conquer... and its motivation is almost entirely internalized. But with each success, it feeds the ego that feeds the alpha. And even when we don't get it done the way we want to... its still a source of great stories, and in our minds, its just a process... we'll beat it eventually.

One aspect no one has touched on with game is the fact that one can raise his status by becoming an interesting person.

People don't much care about your latest WoW raid... but go climb a mountain. That tends to get people's attention. Doing something like that will provide the reality based ego boost that most deltas, and all omegas desperately need.

I would tell them... "You're a man dammit. Go slay a dragon."

zoegirl said...

Nate - I don't think that a man can be whole without challenges.

One of the things that women lost with the sexual equality of feminism is a mans investment. Women used to play hard to get in order to be a challenge the man. The bigger the challenge, the greater the commitment from him. A woman didn't throw herself at the Alpha-male(or any male) if she was interested, but gave him just enough encouragement so that he would pursue. Now it seems that women don't give men that opportunity. And I think men still want it.

Am I way off here?

Desert Cat said...

zoegirl, that is likely a two-way street. Unless a woman is pursued, overcome and taken by her man, she may be less likely to see herself as fully his.

There is some material I've been reading elsewhere that utterly turns feminism on its head in this matter. Classic harlequin romance trash novels have this as a fixture of the story. Perhaps the dearth of men able and willing to do this partly explains the rise of wereseal and vampire lovers in chick lit. Who would believe a real man would be that way anymore? Some fantasy is too far out there to be able to suspend belief...

Markku said...

Sure, men would want a world where they are the pursuer, but it is no longer an efficient tactic for females in the world we live in. Given two females of the same quality, where the man is reasonably certain of the interest of the one but not the other, who do you suppose he'll go for? If he spends more time with the more difficult and uncertain option, they BOTH might get snatched by other men before he succeeds.

zoegirl said...

Ahhh...yes. But there is a way to give a man a level of certainty and still let him pursue.

Ian said...

I've fought the Game for a while, but I'll go ahead and buy in. That something shouldn't be so, doesn't mean that it isn't so. It's too useful a deal to trade vinegar and get honey back.

But, there are some inherent personality factors involved in conventionality, empathy, and extroversion, etc.. It'd be interesting to tailor game to Myers-Briggs or Big 5 Personality Typing.

Nate said...

Vox...

There is very little an alpha can contribute to this blog apart from idiotic braggery... but I expanded the concepts of that last comment into something approximating a blog post and emailed it to you.

If you like it... use it.

Anonymous said...

And obviously anyone claiming Alpha will be believed only if they post a picture of themself and their partner. Attractiveness is key. As I love to tell the nerds shocked (just shocked!) that an education still can't get them laid - the real world is exactly like high school.

Jack Amok said...

Sigma's aren't pissed at any system. They simply have enormous ego and self-esteem that is based in reality and real world success... and though people want to follow them... they have no desire to lead

Didn't say Sigma's were pissed at the system. They opt out of it before it can piss them off, unlike Alphas who dive in with gusto.

And on Alpha... Its not stressful. Alphas instinctively know that there are bigger fish in the pond. They are not animals. They know the big dogs.. and accept a co-leaderish type status... or leave...In the event I found myself in the company of an elite alpha... I mean a .01%er....I enjoy his company.

We are all Voxian Betas to someone... even if that someone is He


You and I are differnt then. It grates on my to no end to have someone else making decisions for me. "How the hell is that idiot in charge of anything? I wouldn't hire him to cut my grass." I'm happy to delegate power, I'm happy to let other people have independant centers of power, but I do not like to share power over anything important to me. Yes, out of necessity I will, but I don't like it.

My prefered tactic is to simply tell the other alpha to handle things... as if I am dismissing the light work to him. He feels like a big dog... but he's actually obeying my order. We both know it but its an artful way to avoid a conflict that is simply pointless.

Another tactic is to simply walk out of the room. This seems like submission except that plenty of people will follow me. Which sends the unspoken message well enough.


I suspect the two of us have lived in very different circles. Mine is full of more vicious alphas than yours. Those tactics have gotten many very sharp guys chewed up and spit out where I've been. I also once rather dramatically won with the "walk out and have people follow me" tactic, but what was left after the battle wasn't really worth anybody having. A pointless waste of a lot of people's hard work.

One of the problems in our globalizing, centralizing society is that the centralization is forcing more and more people like me into fights with each other. There are fewer small and medium sized ponds to be a big fish in.

Y'know, the more I think about it though, the more I wonder if maybe I haven't been dealing with Alphas. Maybe what I've seen is a bunch of Sigmas attracted to the money, because way too many of the power struggles are with people who are not invested in the system, but just using it rather cynically for their own gain.

Or maybe there's a growing number of psychopathic Alphas, half-Alpha, half-Sigma, combining the worst of both.

DmL said...

Ok. That seems to sum it up. My confidence has always been internally derived, whereas his came from the edification of others. As he earned his confidence he became more internally driven and he's much happier now.

I know Nate claims to be an Alpha, but he also said he's internally driven?

Susan Walsh said...

Vox, the more I think about your sociosexual hierarchy, the more it resonates. On my site there's a constant debate about alpha vs. beta, and just when there's some kind of consensus, new commenters appear and it starts all over again. You've really nailed down some valuable differences, and I agree that it's helpful to get a clear definition of one's weaknesses, strengths and nature before attempting change.

Sigma is the brooding loner, no? The man women want to crack open, and see vulnerability from. The outsider archetype has always held enormous appeal for women. They radiate an intensity that it very tingle-producing, even if it's arrogance or hatred.

Nate said...

If I may take some liberties here... I would like to offer an explaination of the sigma phenomena from my perspective.

If ego is based in reality and success feeds confidence and ego... then...

Alphas are those who are successful at normal things respected in society and are therefore very confident.

Omegas are people that may be very good at some things... but they are weird things that society does not appreciate... like say... scab collecting... or spending hours doing euclidean geometry with string.

Sigmas would be those who are successful at weird things... but weird things that society still accepts as cool. Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, and Scott Stapp all come to mind. Another would be perhaps Trent Reznor... or even Quinton Tarantino.

now I don't know how often these guys get laid by 10s. I'm just trying to demonstration the difference between weird creepy... and weird cool.

Because that is the fundamental difference in Omega and Sigma.

What say you? False assumption? Mental Masturbation? Dead on?

Nate said...

DmL
Internal drive, objective external validation of value and success.

Post coming tomorrow fleshing out the concept.

As for my alphaness... eh... I've met several of the Ilk. They've been guests at my house... met my wife... I suggest you consult them and ask them for an assessment. Josh and JamieR... Waterboy... Bill... Underwater Operative... I have met all of them in person at one time or another.

If I am full of shit... surely the Navy Seal will be willing to tell you so.

But then... seriously... I watch sportscenter and play Xbox 360 from my hot tub while hot wife goes to work... and she adores me... and still has all the respect in the world for me.

Does this sound like something a delta can pull off?

Joseph Dantes said...

Nate, I think the authoress's tinglefying loner archetype is closer than what you're describing as sigma... which I'd scrap as an interesting attempt.

If a delta learns Game, he can pull off the reversal of provider roles. Maybe not quite as flagrantly. Anyway, I've done it, and I'm currently a delta.

But yeah, I'm not questioning your alphatude... I just want you to write more sunday school posts.

The CronoLink said...

Would you say Jesus was a rare breed of Alpha/Sigma? He was a natural to leadership, never felt awkward around great numbers of people and actively cared for them and even confronted them publicly, but he also liked to take times for himself completely alone, would do things his own way regardless if people felt uncomfortable with it and never let people stop him or tell him what to do and certainly never ever seek their approval.

creepingsancy said...

hey Vox,

What is the age difference between you and your brother? is your brother the elder? From your description of him and yourself, I would guess you are the younger?

DJ said...

@Chronolink
Mathew 17: 24-27 thru lense of game
I see this as Jesus' stating sigma values but playing by the rules of society. Natural alphas do not play by societal rules in order not to offend, but because that is what they are.

zoegirl said...

"But then... seriously... I watch sportscenter and play Xbox 360 from my hot tub while hot wife goes to work... and she adores me... and still has all the respect in the world for me."

Nate, I certainly don't claim to know your story so I'm just offering a consideration because this particular statement resonated with my own experience. If your wife begins to feel that the burden of support is on her, she could quite suddenly become the sort of 'dragon' that you're not expecting or prepared for.

Desert Cat said...

Would you say Jesus was a rare breed of Alpha/Sigma?

Well He did call himself the Alpha and the Omega. Not that the letters referred to this classification, but as it turns out I rather think they are quite profoundly correct.

He is indeed the Alpha of all creation. No explanation needed there. But as pertains to this present darkness and the world system under the rule of the enemy, He is indeed the quintessential Omega. He is not of the system. The system has no place for him ("The son of Man has no place to lay his head"), and utterly rejects him. He in turn speaks with the authority of the Father utter condemnation upon this world's system.

So in the sense that a Sigma is an Omega who has risen to the status of Alpha, but outside of the system within which the Alpha rules, yes, Jesus could also represent the quintessential Sigma.

DmL said...

@Nate: I don't doubt it my man, just trying to map the drives/motivations to the types.

(I say from my man cave/art & music studio while teaching my daughter to play Genesis waiting for the wife to get home from work.)

rho said...

Wouldn't it piss off a Sigma to be classified as one?

It's somewhat foolish to spend too much time trying to figure out where you fit in the hierarchy as it misses the point of the discussion. It's not a ranking per se, so you don't move up or down.

If you self-test and classify yourself as Sigma or Alpha or High Beta or whatever, why read the blog at all? Clearly you've won the lottery of life, go thou and plow some more.

Or stop worrying about where you fit in and learn something.

Anonymous said...

This is hysterically awesome stuff. Had I known any of this early on in my marriage I would have saved myself so much time. Sigh.
My Husband finally makes sense. Friends of ours just go into a house way, way over their heads because the wife threw a temper tantrum and wanted the house. They will literally be bankrupt within the first year. I asked my Husband if he would by me what house I wanted if I threw a temper tantrum. He kind of growled and walked away. LOL. That is him, so NOT impressed by my drama, no matter how hard I bring it. I was always told by other women that it was because he didn't love me. But he shows it in many, many ways.

Plus, he is ALWAYS getting hit on by women and men are constantly turning to him for advice. Which he doesn't mind, but constantly refuses the offers for power unless it is something he is very interested in.

Also, he pisses and exictes other women because when they try to tell him what to do he refuses and then ignores them. I told him to stop doing that because it makes women throw themselves at him and he just ignores me.

Oh, had I only known all this ten years ago. LOL.

Ace

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the typos...

Nate said...

Its got nothing to do with winning the lottery of life.

Deltas and omegas like to think that because it takes the blame off their own shoulders.

DmL said...

And if that post was directed at me, it's to help me understand and possibly help my brother.

Joseph Dantes said...

"Its got nothing to do with winning the lottery of life.

Deltas and omegas like to think that because it takes the blame off their own shoulders."

As with most things human, there are elements of both chance and personal responsibility involved.

In the dog pack, genetic energy level plays the main role in determining the dog's place in the hierarchy.

Bad socialization can screw up the dog's potential to fill that place. Good socialization can fix it.

Alphas want to believe the hierarchy is a non-arbitrary meritocracy because otherwise they might feel guilty or unworthy of their rewards.

rho said...

Its got nothing to do with winning the lottery of life.

That's absurd on the face of it. Genetics play a major role in IQ, appearance, natural attitudes and aptitudes. The entire "Developing Sigma" story is an attempt to explain how natural personality fits into the ALPHA and BETA framework.

The CronoLink said...

Thanks, DJ and Cat.

Anonymous said...

"Is the sigma classification really necessary?"

Are any of these classifications necessary?

(Hint: no.)

Vox said...

"(Hint: no.)"

Thus spake The Gamma....

IRK said...

I identify strongly with this description and agree somewhat with the comparison to Asperger's. (I believe Sailer has written on that correlation, BTW.) I have often been struck by the way a person will compliment my grasp of some system by empirical observation, or recall and synthesis of some divergent facts, only to add a sentence or two later that I must suffer from Asperger's. Well, either I'm super subclinical, or I'm just a master of making it work for me, because notwithstanding my general indifference (a.k.a., not giving a f__k), I have lots of colleagues, and about a dozen close friends--atypical of a true Asperger's sufferer.

DH said...

There's a very easy explanation. Testosterone drives dominance and being "alpha". Those with the lowest testosterone are either total outcasts or total "tools" conforming to societal expectations. High testosterone extroverted males are Alpha and high T introverted males are alpha too but with an introverted worldly view. This is what you call SIGMA. I'm introverted too and I don't naturally understand social hierarchy but I can adapt and learn as I did in HS/college (but that's only because I'm smart). If i was a stupid introvert with high Testosterone i'd be a total rogue.

Anonymous said...

hi everyone, I have been studying game theory in deep detail, and guess what? I am A bonified SIGMA. We definetly exist. I think a SIGMA being considered a high omega is very accurate. I was an omega in youth who rose to be a SIGMA through inner turmoil that i can not describe. I was born with great genetics and actually have famous leaders in my bloodlines. I however grew up very disadvantaged, just as bad as any black kid in the ghetto experiences. I however look to most to be the all american kid, the kind of blonde hair blue eyed kid that looks like he should of had a shitload of advantages in life. funny thing is people are confused by my having the not so subtle aggression of a prison yard predator. I spent a lot of time around really alpha black guys in the military and they almost all resented me because i looked priviliged. They resented me even more when they found out that i posses the intellect of a creative genius and seemed to effortlessly outshine them at intellectual tasks. I also had to be told by a family member that i post distain for others all over my face when the alphas put on their shows of dominance. In hindsight i now realize why i drew the scorn of betas that where trying to climb the ranks. they knew that despite being higher in rank i was the more dominant man and there smokescreens never fooled me for a second and i let them know it. I knew i could always walk across the room and rip out the alphas throat because i am rutheless and he worries about the opinions of others. I don't act on anything i would like to do because i am very in control of my emotions because of my high intellect. if i was dumber i would be in prison. i have no doubt. lol. If Sigmas like myself where allowed to play vigilanties as we would love to do, then society would be a lot politer. Guys would have to back it up. I would also suggest that a SIGMA is oftentimes the typing of comic book characters like wolverine and batman. outsiders with rage and a sense of ultruism coursing through us. thats why we scare the dominance hierarchy, and they should be scared. I could act my way into any position I wanted and destroy any organization from the inside. If so motivated of course, but i am not because people suck and i am gonna use what i know to take care of me and mine. I only have allies and enemies. i know exactley to what degree my allies can be trusted and what scenarios will make them turn.

Anonymous said...

I also wanted to add something about women. Ever since I started to just let my earned dominance out (I have been in combat). Wherever I walk now women light up like christmas trees. I am highly experimental and thinkiing I want to try and bang some milfs, although I am in college now and there are many lovely sluts around who want an older dominant guy. my school is 40% male and about a quarter of those are asian guys that even the asian girls find too passive. that leaves a pool of probably about 20% males that could be considered dateable after you subtract the gays and the rejects and thats not even considering those 20% of men still need to be weeded out for social status. I am 31 and spending my days with sluts in their young 20's. I just have to watch out for the single mothers on public assistance who see me and my future engineering degree very desirable. They got their man traps out for me. lol. some of them are still hot too but why go for a 26 year old single mother who wants my future engineer salary that will be paid for with my GI Bill that required putting my ass on the line? I can get a 22 year old who doesnt have kids and wants to experiment sexually with an experienced man who can make them quake.

Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way ladies, the alpha guys, sure they look great i admit that but the reality is the alpha guys are way too conventional. They will want to have missionary sex everytime pretty much. meanwhile a SIGMA like me will probably be the first guy to get you comfortable enough to try anal for the first time. If you are not emotionally connected to a lover you will be more tense and us sigmas are tender brutes with our lovers. We enjoy sex the most for the act of barbaric domination that it really is. Only we do not objectify the woman and seek to hold her as a possession. we see her as someone to take an erotic journey with. we like to connect intensely with a lover for short moments and withdraw back into our own worlds of distrust because we know too much on account of our need to look behind closed doors outweighing the fear of doing so. Once a scary reality is learned it has to be processed inside somehow since things can not be un-seen. We do this by creating our own kingdom wherever we walk. We are our own little kingdom and when you speak to us you are speaking to the king. Always be aware that the king always has complete power to launch his nation into warfare if offended. Sounds a bit dramatic yes, but you get my point on the mindframe of the sigma.

Anonymous said...

SIGMA'S are the posessers of all the traits you do NOT want in a slave. Trying to take down a clever SIGMA is not advisable either. The best thing to do is buy them out and leave them alone. The are very self entertaining since they are always alone. All my true alpha bosses have had a love hate relationship with me. They hate that I will pretend to ask innocent questions to point out their mistakes. They hate the look of dissaproval proudly displayed on my face when they are bullshitting everyone. they hate that other workers can come to me and complain about the system without being snitched on. this builds me a lot of loyalty amongst the unappreciated masses. They however, love my endless work drive and attention to detail. i don't take many breaks and i don't waste time at the water cooler. I require no supervision and get annoyed if any is given. I am an exacting perfectionist in my work. I love playing humble while others revel in amazement at what the bottomless pit of energy i have, was able to produce. If i had the money i would just travel around the world trying to check off my map of foreign women that i have sexed up. I almost got all the continents with people checked off. Only missing australia. gotta keep an eye open for accents. lol.

Anonymous said...

Sigmas are men who earn their stripes. alphas are often born advantaged. Either way they are both leader types. only practical difference that i can see between me and an alpha is that conventional women (future trophy wives) are into me on a primal level but would seek to marry the conventional alpha. On the flip side of that. the unconventional hot girls(think hot punk or goth chick) that the alphas can never really seem to get with a lot of success are easy for me. they can tell instantly by my choice of words i am a confident camp outsider with a good heart. I think for fun i might try to nail some aging trophy wives that are still hot if they are new toys to play with and their asshole powerhungry husbands get bored of them. Maybe i should get a classy sugar momma to lavish the assholes money he earned down upon me while i sex up the woman he spent so much money investing in. lol. probably might get killed. but us sigmas love a good old fashioned challenge.

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