Wednesday, November 2, 2016

The desire to teach

Is, all too often, the desire to subvert and mislead:
In Titus 2 Paul is saying to teach the older women (and men) to live in such a way that their lives are “appropriate to sound doctrine”. It is about setting an example with their lives so that no one will malign the word of God.  This isn’t about the older women teaching sound doctrine, it is about them living in a way that is congruent with having been taught sound doctrine, and teaching younger women to live this way as well.

All of these things could be taught by atheist older women to younger women with no need to reference (or even know of the existence of) the Bible, if they wanted to teach this behavior.  The reason this is hard, and the reason there is a controversy, is women really really want to teach doctrine*, in a way that the average man simply doesn’t and can’t understand. Men aren’t consumed by this burning envy. We don’t sit in church festering “Why can’t it be me up there teaching everyone? Why does it have to be him!”

*The other reason this is so hard is the idea of wives turning to their husbands for instruction (1 Cor 14:35, Eph 5:25-48) is anathema to our modern Christian feminist sensibilities. Setting up separate women’s ministries is the answer to anything but that!
The reason is that the average man is not offended by what Christian doctrine teaches. And it is those women who are most offended by Christian doctrine, and by the Bible, who are most driven to acquire the credentials that permit them - wrongly - to assume positions that permit them to teach their revised, heretical doctrine that is more to their liking.

I do not attend any church where women preach from the pulpit. Because, whatever it is, that church is can no longer be reasonably described as a Christian church. Even the sketchiest Pope since the Borgia Pope understands that.

18 comments:

Arthur Isaac said...

Got to the end and forgot I wasn't reading Dalrock. That was weird.

Arthur Isaac said...

That's what I get for not following the link. Lol. Still and all your commentary did help with my head snapping double take.

Rabbi B said...

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.(I Timothy 2:11-13)

It's often the simplest and most straightforward principles which are relentlessly assailed and undermined by the Adversary's age-old question: "Did G-d really say?"

Rex Little said...

I do not attend any church where women preach from the pulpit.

Do they have those in Italy? More general question: have SJWs and feminists infested that culture to the extent they have ours?

Son of Issachar said...

Question: Do you draw a distinction between teaching biblical doctrine and just "speaking" in front of the congregation?

Since there is no exclusion for women prophecy or interpreting tongues, for example, would a woman be allowed to verbally express a prophetic gifts in front of the church, both men and women?

Boko Harambe said...
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Happy Housewife said...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my husband once. A female friend of ours was talking about another woman acquaintance of ours. My husband didn't hear her say a single bad or insulting thing; he thought the two were friends. Later on, I had to tell him that our friend actually loathes this other woman. It was obvious in the way she spoke with her eyes and body language. And the things she didn't say.

These things are obvious to women. It's a whole other form of communication that has been coopted for shallow, superficial means nowadays. Back in the day, though, women could communicate disapproval or correct behavior in other women without saying a word. A glance, a firming of the mouth, or subtle shift in demeanor was all it took. Women have been doing that for centuries.

It's discrete, which is why modern Churchian women have chosen to ignore it in favor of pursuing the limelight. Just another form of attention seeking.

RmaxGenactivePUA Mgtow said...

Religion has no power if it has no nationalism, or racial identity

Muslims dont identify as muslims, they identify as asians first & organise collectively as such

Muslim converts know theyre entering an asian culture first & a religion 2nd

Christianity has to identify as a religion for white people only, made by white people, & only for white people

If christians dont enforce white racial lines & white racial culture, it will not recover

Whats more it will not gain the respect of rising white nationalists, wanting a religion not created by jews

Artisanal Toad said...

God does not change, and all the instruction on male-female relations and the submission of women devolves from Genesis 3:16, which says "he shall rule over you." There is a reason that feminists refuse to discuss Eve.

https://artisanaltoadshall.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/gen-3-16-exegesis/

Unknown said...

RmaxMashedTogetherName -

"Muslims dont identify as muslims, they identify as asians first & organise collectively as such"? Bwahahahaha!

All that's required to discredit you is to quote you accurately.

Mooga Booga said...

We'll leave the light on for you:

https://stream.org/pope-francis-explains-again-that-the-church-has-spoken-on-women-priests-liberals-disappointed-again/

liberranter said...

The reason is that the average man is not offended by what Christian doctrine teaches. And it is those women who are most offended by Christian doctrine, and by the Bible, who are most driven to acquire the credentials that permit them - wrongly - to assume positions that permit them to teach their revised, heretical doctrine that is more to their liking.

BINGO.

Now if only churchians were honest enough to admit the obvious.

Jew613 said...

So in Christianity what is the punishment for a woman who makes herself a religious teacher? And how is it enacted?

Anchorman said...

So in Christianity what is the punishment for a woman who makes herself a religious teacher? And how is it enacted?

Well, that's sort of a catch 22.

You can only be punished by the church if you submit to the authority of the church.

But how could a woman become a teacher in a church and be punished for it?

In the end, I don't see the process as being different from any other member knowingly living a lifestyle of disobedience to God.

Jed Mask said...

"Christianity has to identify as a religion for white people only, made by white people, & only for white people

If christians dont enforce white racial lines & white racial culture, it will not recover."

Nope. FAIL. JESUS CHRIST is FOR ALL PEOPLE HE CREATED, not just white people.

And yeah, Vox is right on this concerning women usurping the natural God-Given authority of men in life and church.

Well done Mr. Vox. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

SirHamster said...

@ Jed

That's obvious poop. Don't touch the poop.

Reverend TimTom said...

RMaxGenactivePUA Mgtow - is a troll.

John Rampton said...

Perhaps we're asking the wrong questions here. And therefore coming to conclusions which, while correct, are shortsighted and irrelevant.

What if clergy were not paid by the church? Or perhaps at least assuming that vow of poverty which has become so proverbial? What if the pulpit weren't in any way tolerated by the body of Christ as a position that acquired earthly gain? Would we have creatures who aren't justified by God except in childbirth - creatures are so competetive for material goods, that they will get them by any means necessary - seek to acquire the pulpit.

We know there were rich patrons who supported Jesus. And yet, even fish coughed up money for Him, so does this not at least render the need for financial gain irrelevant, in respect to Christ?

Paul talked about this, about making The Church accountable to man's pocketbooks being an evil end. And while the Bible is a holy book, it bothered to mention that Paul took the time to practice his vocation of making tents.

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