Thursday, September 15, 2016

The SMV vs MMV tradeoff

Heartiste explains why low-class women are embracing MMV-reducing behaviors such as tattoos, slut-signaling, single-motherhood, and even mudsharking
Sexual markets are vulnerable to changes in the incentives for paternal investment. (Paternal investment itself is a crucial aspect of the sexual market.) As women become more economically self-sufficient and sexually liberated their mate acquisition algorithm begins to emphasize the targeting of men for sexual and romantic validation and to undervalue men who would make dependable resource providers.

Likewise, men who are less interested in commitment and family formation would seek out women primarily for sexual thrills rather than their maternal instinct or faithfulness.

If this is the operative sexual market, then tattoos and single mommery would not only have little effect on women’s SMVs, they may very well raise their SMVs by advertising a greater willingness to go all the way right away, (and to not make much of a fuss when she’s dumped post-chaste).

Now ask yourself, where do you see women with lots of garish tattoos and bastard spawn? The lower classes. And where do you see less dependable fly-by-night men? The lower classes. In the upper classes single mommery is still rare and tattoos, though more common than they once were, are tastefully inconspicuous. Obesity, too, is rarer among upper class women.

So it’s in the lower classes (now gradually expanding into the working and middle classes) where the sexual market has responded to the changing incentives and women have resorted to more “slut signaling” accoutrements like tattoos, skimpy trashy clothes, and yes even bastard spawn (a single mom is a slutty mom).

In the upper classes, paternal investment is still important, so we see less of this among the women who have kept to the traditional SMV norms of their sex: slenderness, clear skin, and childlessness.
Essentially, they're trying to elevate their short-term SMV at the expense of their longer term MMV, presumably because they see no real prospects of getting married or being supported by a husband anyhow.

They appeal to men in the short-term for the same reason players appeal to nice girls; they are unlikely to kick up a fuss or cause any problems when the other party moves on. After all, if a woman is covered with tattoos and oozing with attitude, you can be pretty sure that she's not looking for a husband or even a serious relationship.

33 comments:

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

A player's paradise. Just stay away from the fatties.

Anchorman said...

Essentially, they're trying to elevate their short-term SMV at the expense of their longer term MMV, presumably because they see no real prospects of getting married or being supported by a husband anyhow.

I'm not so sure.

I would be more likely to believe that is the reason if lower class women understood SMV and MMV. In fact, they often think of the concepts as indistinguishable. Note, for example, when asked about their "ideal man," they talk about compatibility, as if attractiveness is unimportant.*

I think the get tattoos and spawn to attract attention. I'm not sure they distinguish good attention from bad attention. I think of them as their version of peacocking.

If asked with truth serum, they'd likely say they want serious, long term, emperor penguin commitment and they think their actions will produce it because they see an uptick in attention.

* I'm making a point many of us have heard before for the benefit of any new visitors.

Amy said...

"See an uptick in attention"

Yes, and no, most cannot distinguish good attention from bad, or good mate prospects from cads.

Women also think that a man will change because he loves her. He'll become the man she is worthy of because he loves her enough to change so he won't lose her. It's a type of princess mentality.

There is also the factor of giving an F-U to " society." The rebellious actions are supposed to be empowering to women, showing the world they don't need no man...or anyone else. Yet they rage when rejected and return to the default poor-me that garners sympathy from anyone/everyone.

Undocumented Pharmacist said...

Any tattoo on a woman is just a bio-hazard symbol in different form.

William Hughes said...

Interesting. An upper class girl knows that the government will not maintain her in the style she is accustomed. She also knows she cannot possibly earn enough either. That leaves a good match as the last choice. So the MMV must be maintained.

William Hughes said...

Interesting. An upper class girl knows that the government will not maintain her in the style she is accustomed. She also knows she cannot possibly earn enough either. That leaves a good match as the last choice. So the MMV must be maintained.

August said...

Whatever the reason, it's killing my ability to be around people much. I get off work, go get a few groceries, and see enough of this crap to where I just want to go home.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I've seen some genuinely gorgeous girls with tattoos. There's a big tattoo culture around here (Costa Mesa, Long Beach).

Anchorman said...

LBF,
That's why I think tattooing is almost like peacocking. It's an attempt to "loudly" broadcast a message non-verbally.

Aeoli Pera said...

Note on this: I've gotten sexual offers from single moms and black girls, both of which groups were presumably looking for paternal support (or rather, the personality associated with this as I have no money). No attention at all from tattooed short-term SMV maximizers, probably because I'm too low SMV myself. So there are at least two phenomena at play here, which both suggest a general loss of value (oversupply) for female sex and paternal commitment.

Chent said...

Amy and Anchorman are right. They want to signal sluttiness to attract an alpha for sex. They imagine that, after sex, their magic vagina will convert this fling into a long-time relationship. After all, this is how this works in Lifetime movies

de ti said...

@ Amy

"Women also think that a man will change because he loves her. He'll become the man she is worthy of because he loves her enough to change so he won't lose her. It's a type of princess mentality."

No. Women think that a man will change from the power of her magic pussy. Women all think they are speshul snowflakes and can, through the very power of their existences, change reality.

Anchorman said...

Amy and Anchorman are right. They want to signal sluttiness to attract an alpha for sex.

To clarify, I think they use tattoos and babies to attract attention. The attention could be alphas, betas, deltas (depending on what they're looking for) or the attention of females in their circle (I have a baby, what do you have?).

haus frau said...

Irresponsible baby making is not dissimilar to buying cats and puppies. They want the love and attention but want to take the short cut of making their own baby without the work of laying a marital foundation for that baby to be brought up in.
These women are short term gratification thinkers, which is also why they are often slutty. They sleep with men, the men leave so they despair of having a real family and "forget" to take the pill or what not. Pair this with some single mother martyrdom comple (men are horrible, its his fault he walked out, my child is my world, blah blah. ..) and you've got yourself a cascade of downward spiraling choices.

Deplorable Gaiseric said...

"No. Women think that a man will change from the power of her magic pussy. Women all think they are speshul snowflakes and can, through the very power of their existences, change reality."

Why did you say no just to agree with everything that you said No to?

VFM #7634 said...

To clarify, I think they use tattoos and babies to attract attention. The attention could be alphas, betas, deltas (depending on what they're looking for) or the attention of females in their circle (I have a baby, what do you have?).

Sluttiness and tats, sure. And yes, I'm pretty sure it is in fact directed toward attracting alphas. The problem with being an old-fashioned, modestly-dressed woman who keeps her figure hidden is that she will tend to be ignored by alphas, because in their view, there is no "there" there. Worse, in fact, she gives off the impression of being a prude who will try to hook you into joining her church and getting her father's consent and all that sort of thing. (And in fact, these girls will tend to be rapidly married off to men in the church in question.)

As for single-mommery, this is essentially a fuckup on the part of the woman, being how it knocks her MMV down sharply. (Unlike obesity, though, which hits both SMV and MMV, single-mommery only hits MMV.) I don't think the sluts with tats are looking to become single moms any more than those who don't watch their figures are looking to become fat. It's just something that they're simply apathetic about -- they're in denial about how much it turns off men -- and so it happens. And unlike fat chicks, alphas don't ignore single moms, at least if they're looking to get laid.

(Well, actually, among alpha subgroups, I suspect single mommery will repel Sigmas most drastically given their greater aversion to drama, Alphas the least, and Betas somewhere in between the two.)

dc.sunsets said...

You're all way overthinking this.
The lower classes are...dumb. I mean, if 1 times any number is that number, what is 1 times 6? Answer (in real life): "1."

Low MMV is normal for the LC. Trailer parks are not full of intact families. They're full of clinically insane women with multiple kids, each of whom has a different last name. I'm not making this up, I'm describing a trailer park 3/4's of a mile away, across the street from the school where my wife teaches 4th grade. True story: A diagnosed (bad) Bipolar woman with arrests for assault and drugs intentionally went off her meds so she could try to nail down her then latest BF by popping out his kid. She's fat, she's tattooed, and she's crazy. And she's dumb as a fence post.

It's the relatively nice looking girls of average intelligence strutting their ink-stained skin who sadden me. Each is the apotheosis of High Time Preference, a condition I consider subhuman.

Unknown said...

Tattoos on women are like dog collars on dogs. They signal a propensity to bark at strangers but also a readiness to submit to everyone who can master them. They're as clear a sign of subservience there is. The more women with tattoos in a city, the more easily Islam will find takeover.

VFM #7634 said...

@dc.sunsets

Sure, but the rot is spreading from the Clevon types into what appears to be average middle-class white girls. Already, I'd say a majority of white girls have at least one tat now, and single-mommery doesn't appear to be stigmatized much if at all. And on top of that, it's likely that many of those who haven't single-mommed out have had at least one abortion.

Jed Mask said...

"They appeal to men in the short-term for the same reason players appeal to nice girls; they are unlikely to kick up a fuss or cause any problems when the other party moves on. After all, if a woman is covered with tattoos and oozing with attitude, you can be pretty sure that she's not looking for a husband or even a serious relationship."

Sad, continuous deplorable cycle... These foolish, wayward young women need to be serious about their long-term game (e.g. MARRIAGE)... Amen.

@VFM

"Sluttiness and tats, sure. And yes, I'm pretty sure it is in fact directed toward attracting alphas. The problem with being an old-fashioned, modestly-dressed woman who keeps her figure hidden is that she will tend to be ignored by alphas, because in their view, there is no "there" there. Worse, in fact, she gives off the impression of being a prude who will try to hook you into joining her church and getting her father's consent and all that sort of thing. (And in fact, these girls will tend to be rapidly married off to men in the church in question.)"

lol... An alpha actually looking for a long-term mate rather than the mere "satisfaction of his flesh" would be wise to be attentive to the good "church girl" of good quality to have as wife.

Yeah for the fornicating, whoremongering alpha "players" out there only wanting a quick "bang" they're obviously not playing the "long-term game (e.g. "marriage").

Smh... I'm surprised and disappointed at the "lowering standard" if alphas are getting with single moms just to get a quick lay. Really disappointing. I wouldn't sex up a single mom with kids even if I was freely given an offer of quick session of flesh smacking. So low.

"I suspect single mommery will repel Sigmas most drastically given their greater aversion to drama..."

More so the "cuckoldry". Why so desperate of appetite for sweet flesh when there's many a young woman without kids I could sow my seed and not "mingle" amongst another man's breaching? I think that's how some Sigmas would think. I do. Start out FRESH. Do GOD'S WAY. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed



Mountain Man said...

" I suspect single mommery will repel Sigmas most drastically given their greater aversion to drama,"

As a Sigma I can verify this. I distinctly remember banging a very hot single mom a number of times. (She also had a rose tattoo right above her ass crack)
She wanted to keep our FWB arrangement going. I ended it. Why? Because of the drama that was involved around the custody arrangement between her and the spawns father. Even the few hours a week hanging out was enough for her to bring that drama into my relatively tranquil single life. The hot sex just wasn't worth it.

hank.jim said...

Tattoos means the girl is not approachable. She will obviously be a challenge or expects a challenge. She's just trouble waiting to happen and it does. Single motherhood and abuse is likely in her past regardless if she was innocent or provoked it. She was there and that's a bad idea. Should you care? I really don't think much lower class people are here reading this.

Rex Little said...

Do GOD'S WAY. Amen.

Didn't God get a woman pregnant and leave it to another man to raise the kid?

Tarrou said...

As far as the tattoos, I think it could be as simple as fashion. The weight, I doubt they gain it on purpose, just lack any form of self control or motivation to change. The single motherhood, that's just straight stupidity. Check Murray's figures, the bastardy rate for females with high IQs is close to nonexistent.

Bob Loblaw said...

As far as the tattoos, I think it could be as simple as fashion.

I agree. Tattoos have become so mainstream women get them without even considering messages they might be sending other people.

Bob Loblaw said...

As far as the tattoos, I think it could be as simple as fashion.

I agree. Tattoos have become so mainstream women get them without even considering messages they might be sending other people.

JP said...

If I see a tattoo, the first thing I think is "Herpes!". The second thing is "Town Bicycle". Because only public property has graffiti on it.

Rex Little said...

single mommery . . . may very well raise their SMVs by advertising a greater willingness to go all the way right away

Except that it also advertises that if the condom breaks, it'll cost you big time. I doubt the net effect on SMV is positive. Rather, a woman's increased SMV sometimes causes single mommery.

Undocumented Pharmacist said...

@JP

Re: Town Bicycle. I was watching The Ranch on Netflix and was introduced to the term "dick garage".

Definitely can recommend The Ranch as red-pill approved entertainment. Low-brow, but funny. Also, hot chick (not Cuthbert, she's aged horribly) who is also funny.

VFM #7634 said...

lol... An alpha actually looking for a long-term mate rather than the mere "satisfaction of his flesh" would be wise to be attentive to the good "church girl" of good quality to have as wife.

@Jed Mask
Most Alphas are unable to resist the temptation to sin, unfortunately. Camel through an eye of a needle and all that.

The church girl would only be able to get away with that type of chastity with an Alpha, even a Christian Alpha, if she was very attractive and gave some indication of being receptive. But if she is less than an 8 or so, she's unlikely to succeed.

Rather, a woman's increased SMV sometimes causes single mommery.

@Rex Little
There's a reason for the stereotype about the hot single-mom stripper. I suspect that is most likely to happen with highly attractive women if their father is an Alpha hedonist.

Aeoli Pera said...

Didn't God get a woman pregnant and leave it to another man to raise the kid?

Jesus, why didn't you come with the caravan?

You're not my real dad!

Jed Mask said...

@VFM #7634

Yep, yep. Thanks for explaining that out. I kinda instinctively thought that... Amen.

@Rex Little

"Didn't God get a woman pregnant and leave it to another man to raise the kid?"

lol You playin' or being serious? Oh you must be talkin' bout the Lord Jesus Christ, correct?

Assuming you've read the Gospels and know the Story you realize yeah, oh yeah, God got *virgin* Mary pregnant by the Holy Ghost to give birth to Jesus.

Up until after the birth of Jesus, Mary the mother of Jesus did not yet ever have sex with a man so don't even simply "imply" that Joseph was made a "cuckhold" by God.

lol Joseph himself even aforetime was planning to "marry Mary" and settle down anyway. God kept Mary "pure 'n ready" so when the time came for Joseph and Mary to "get down" Joseph was the first man to "claim his space" and afterwards Joseph and Mary had Jesus' brothers and sisters. So yeah, God ain't "messing with people" like some "men and women" do in all that "cuckoldry mess". God did not make "Joseph" into His own "cuckhold beta boy" if that's what you're thinking Rex. You got it *twisted*.

Quite the opposite actually.

Imagine this: JOSEPH being a mere finite human man was able to "parent" God Himself in human form as a child. JOSEPH was given that great honour and responsibility; no other man can claim to have "raised up God Incarnate from childhood on up". JOSEPH is the man who's name is recorded in Eternity of the Word (King James Version Holy Bible [KJV]) having done that great feat. No one else could ever claim that.

You and other people could seem to think of God's Will in Joseph's life as involuntary "cuckholdry" when in reality it was God's Chosen Blessing for Joseph's life.

Hey, me myself would definitely like the thought of being the only man to have "raised up GOD'S only, Begotten Son" if nothing else but just for the sake of "bragging rights" in Heaven lol. But seriously, a lot of people who think the "cuckoldry thing" really screw up and miss the real truth of God's Blessing that it was for Joseph.

God's for the MAN Who He has established dominion over all creation on the earth.

God don't "cuckhold" His men; but other men (and especially WOMEN do!). Get that right Rex. God created the world to be a *MAN'S WORLD* which He started with Adam and brought along womankind into the world as Eve to be our helpmeets as described in the biblical pattern of Genesis.

That said, Rex, you seem to talk like a "heathen man". Don't get me wrong if I'm not speaking true, although the way you phrased your question doesn't quite "jive right" with what a fellow brother in Christ would say.

It speaks like saying indirectly, "God 'messed up'" or screwed over someone" and trying to put some "blame" on GOD lol.

Well, if that's the case, go ye to thy Maker and get ACQUAINTED: http://jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html

Enough "foolish questions" meant in "tongue 'n cheek" sarcasm to "pick at God". Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

simon IBEGBULEM said...

Tattoos on a girl is just a sign of sluthood period.No go area!

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