Thursday, July 9, 2015

Learning by example

This exchange in the comments between Delta Man and Mindstorm is a very illustrative example of Gamma in action:
Mindstorm: Also remember, being shot down by a porker is more mentally damaging than by a slightly above average cutie.

Delta Man: Is this what you fear?

Mindstorm: No, it's what I despise. BTW, on the scale between 1 and 10, the average is not exactly five, but halfway between five and six. And no amount of ALLCAPS and exclamation points would change that.

Delta Man: the precise numerical value is irrelevant; you missed the point. 

Mindstorm: For an irrelevant value, you were pretty emphatic. My fears are even less relevant, so what? I don't think that I was missing your point at all. It wasn't particularly insightful or revelatory. I just enjoy rattling your chain, if you haven't noticed. Don't let me detain you, though.
How do we know Mindstorm is a Gamma? First, he considers "being shot down by a porker" to be mentally damaging. Gammas don't only aim too high because they are delusional, but because they are very protective of their fragile egos. To be shot down by "a slightly above average cutie" (note the very non-Alpha language) is acceptable, because "cuties" theoretically shoot down lots of men. But to be shot down by a porker is hurtful, because it punctures the Gamma's delusion bubble and forces him to face his low sexual market value.

Second, note that Mindstorm can't simply be honest about being afraid of what he quite obviously fears. In his fear of admitting to being afraid, he becomes incoherent. We're supposed to believe that he's not afraid of being damaged mentally, but he despises it? How does that make any sense at all? It doesn't. It's an instinctive evasive behavior.

Third, note the typical Gamma dishonesty and reactive passive-aggression. Because Delta Man has observed a potential weakness in him, he has to posture, pose, and pretend indifference and superiority by utilizing a barrage of word salad. It's like watching a squid eject ink in an attempt to escape.

Now ask yourself, does this fool you? And if it doesn't, do you really think you're fooling anyone else when you resort to this behavior under pressure?

Meanwhile, Jay strikes right to the heart of the Gamma delusion bubble:
The problem is I already "know" that my level is low, I just "feel" like its higher. 
That's totally normal. But self-improvement is the only way to increase your level, and you can't improve yourself so long as you permit your actions to be guided by your feelings rather than by your knowledge.

56 comments:

Jose Coces said...

Gammas are so similar to women! I've seen a girl doing just what this Mindstorm dude did a lot of times. Maybe that's why gammas are so unattractive to women.

Martin Davies said...

Surely the biggest Gamma 'tell' would be approaching porkers in the first place. I'm not exactly 'Alpha' but I'm the one that shoots down, or rather politely declines, porkers - not the other way round.

Delta Man said...

You can't run from who you are. If all you can date are twos and threes you need to start there. It's the start and not the end.

Cail Corishev said...

What guys aren't getting (or are too busy posturing to get, maybe) is that this is "learn to crawl before you walk" advice. If you already know how to walk, then work on running. But if you've been sitting at home wishing you could get a date and resorting to porn for the last umpteen weekends, then what you're doing isn't working and you need to change it.

For many, many men who struggle with getting dates, the problem is approach anxiety. They get anxious and screw up when approaching attractive women, or they're too fearful to approach at all. One way to get past that is to approach women who aren't attractive enough to cause that anxiety -- women you don't want so badly that you become overly invested in how you do with them.

In other words, if you go in thinking, "Oh God oh God oh God I hope she likes me," you're probably going to fail. You need to go in thinking, "If she's interested, we can have a nice time, but if not there are plenty more like her."

Now, if you can have that kind of an attitude with an 8, great! Go get her. This advice isn't for you. It's for the guy who can't have that attitude with a 6, but he could with a 3 or 4. And the point isn't for him to settle for a 3 because that's all he can get; it's for him to spend some time with women and learn that they aren't that scary. Some things are universal to women regardless of their SMV, but you have to spend time with them to learn those things. Success breeds success. It's not about slumming; it's about finding your level and working at it. If all you can lift your first day at the gym is the bar, then lift that bar as many times as you can.

My only real caveat would be: you're dealing with real people, so don't be evil about it. The Gamma (or Gamma-ish Delta) tends to have a lot of resentment stored up from years of feeling rejected, and when he finds out how easy it is to get blowjobs from 3's, he may be tempted to go on a spree of using and abusing them to get revenge on the species. Don't be that guy. Don't lead the 3 on and promise things you aren't willing to give, just because a cheerleader did that to get you to do her homework in the 9th grade. Be up-front and say, "Hey, I'm looking for new friends to do stuff with, and you looked interesting," and take it from there. If you don't see it as permanent, then don't act like it is, and you'll be able to keep her as a friend or leave her happy with the experience.

crossphased said...

Vox, do you have any recommended strategies for guys like me who have analysis paralysis?

Sometimes thoughts run through my brain like rabid squirrels, and all the information in the world doesn't help. I'd rather be 10 or 20 IQ points lower with peace and better social skills really.

I've got a simple book that has helped a bit, emotional intelligence 2.0. If there's other stuff out there to help guys that are just smart enough to be dumb I'd sure check it out.

What it feels like in conversation, or when learning things is that there is always something deeper you should be figuring out, when there's not. Usually the answer is the obvious one, but I have a mental tick of always looking for the more difficult underlying thing to solve. It's like having glasses that focus just past what you're supposed to be looking at. It sucks.

Delta Man said...

Cail Corishev, right on.

said...

I self-diagnose as Gamma and I find this whole series of posts on the Delta perspective enlightening. It has confirmed what I already thought, that Gamma is not a place I want to be and Delta should be the goal. People need to hear this shit, and it is a bitter pill to swallow.

It does, though, call into a question a whole lot of what is written by men who have woken up to hypergamy. A central dogma of the modern male backlash against feminism is that when given free reign, women will no longer be willing to settle for a provider man; that uncaring assholes will be the only thing they will open their legs for, ever, including the fat chicks. If that were completely true, this series of posts would be in vain, since Delta is very much to be a "dad" rather than "cad" alignment. If we are in or rapidly to be in a world where a dad can only get ahead by becoming a cad, why would one even bother to be a dad at all?

But the actual evidence suggests that Delta Man is right, and the "hypergamous nightmare" is hyperbole. It may be believable to Omegas, who actually do live in a sexless world, or to someone who has just lost a wife or girlfriend due to her hypergamy. But look around, there are still plenty of dadly men whose wives don't divorce-rape them, ad they are still in a better life than we Gammas mostly lead.

Teach on.

Delta Man said...

Spade, it's not hopeless, but just more difficult now than even one generation ago. You are who I am writing for, along with the Deltas who need the occasional lift.

Mindstorm said...

Is asking for someone's fears somehow relevant to the subject of dating? I am afraid of drowning, as I experienced that already. How is it relevant to the discussion? No porker has shot me down though, as my policy is: don't approach porkers. It would require lots of alcohol to overcome my disgust. Quite possibly I would pass out first. And not only I have successfully approached cuties, I also happened to be propositioned for sex by a non-porker once, so it's not like as I am ignorant of the experience.

A nice false dichotomy you are running, Vox: either you are Alpha-like in your descriptions (pray tell, how would you describe a six then?), or you are a Gamma with inflated sense of self-worth. How doesn't that belie your whole hierarchy with several more rungs on the ladder?

Second, note that Mindstorm can't simply be honest about being afraid of what he quite obviously fears.

How is this cheap psychoanalysis not woman-like? Try harder next time.

SirHamster (#201) said...

@Mindstorm

The more you open your mouth, the more you confirm the Gamma.

tweell said...

I've been pointing out this series to my son and a nephew. The nephew is recovering from a divorce, agreed that his value is low right now and is dating accordingly. He's living in the back of his grandmother's house and bicycling to work to save money, necessary after his financial raping, but not helpful in the meat market.

My son is avoiding the market altogether, alas. I am avoiding the market too, but as a grandfather and widower with five children, I can claim my duty is done.

Double E said...

No porker has shot me down though, as my policy is: don't approach porkers.

Damn, you've beaten the system! How will we know that you aren't an alpha now! I guess under this logic I can consider myself undefeated in pro mma fights.

I also happened to be propositioned for sex by a non-porker once

You really have no idea how you come across to others,do you?

Dystopic said...

Mindstorm, you must be Gamma, because your posts give me the desire to punch you in the face until you shut your stupid mouth.

Have you seen Vox's lady? That instantly disproves any assertion that he could possibly be Gamma. For you, your options are limited. Porn, Porkers, or go home. You are Gamma, or worse. If you go with porn or nothing you will never learn, never raise yourself higher. You will be Gamma until you die, alone, worthless, your life a waste of fantasy and willful delusion.

You will be the male equivalent of the delusional, malcontent cat lady, except without the notches on your bed post that such women get earlier in life.

You are afraid to learn that your value on the Sexual Market is low; so low that your Gammaness is the equivalent of being a porker. You are the skinny weakling refusing to go to the gym because he doesn't want to see how little he can actually bench. You are the guy driving a Corolla pretending it's a race car, and refusing to go to the dragstrip because you don't want to confirm that you're driving a 16 second car. You are worse than worthless, because you do not even know your own worth, and are afraid to learn it.

Either take Delta Man's advice or shut the fuck up. You think you are smart? You think you are more intelligent than those who post here? Your smug, self-satisfied bullshit comes through in every post you make. But, like your refusal to understand your low SMV, you refuse to consider the possibility that you might very well be an idiot.

There is hope for you, as there is hope for me, but only if you admit what you are. Otherwise get the fuck out and go live in Gamma fantasy land, where you are King and everybody loves you.

Scott6584 said...

The flip side is when you underestimate your market value - usually because you overvalue women. The culture of pedestallizing women leads to an underestimation of your market value as a man.

I remember being shocked as a young man with how easy it was to pick up very pretty girls. I still did it, but inevitably felt inferior because I didn't understand HOW women value men is so different than how men value women. And those feelings of inferiority can undermine the long-term success of someone who is initially perceived by women as being of high value. It also makes it easier for the women you do mate with to play their Hypergamous games on you.

Unfortunately for me, I now have a better understanding of the actual market values of men and women, and why they have that maket value. This understanding comes AFTER my own market value has declined (I will be 50 this year.) C'est la vie.

I think that after divorce, it is good to find out what your market value is by getting out there as suggested in a previous post and finding out who finds you attractive. I'm attractive to a signficant set of women now, but for entirely different reasons I was attractive in my youth, and to an entirely different set of women. It's not necessarily the set of women I would LIKE to find me attractive, but it's better to deal with reality than to delude yourself.

Al Cibiades said...

Mindstorm you need to give yourself the gift of seeing how a woman responds to a well adjusted male which will be you, if you bravely face your shortcomings. Stop jerkin the gherkin on the reg. Google Mt Athos or the life of the buddha (if the living Christ is too much for you now) and drink deeply of the healing and power found in humility and ultimately non attachment. If you discover it, there is no human you cannot approach for any reason whatsoever. If you're like many other emotionally raw gammas, you'll deflect and dismiss it out of hand. Pride is a cruel master that makes all its slaves miserable.

Huggums said...

@Mindstorm

Hello, brother Mindstorm. One of the things I've learned reading Vox is that I need to and have developed more of a "get-to-the-f*cking-point" mentality. It's a good way of getting past all the excuses and rationalizations that we often develop for ourselves. Now, what follows may not be accurate. Only you truly know what goes on inside your own head, but hear me out.

Your fear is relevant.

It is relevant because your fear of rejection keeps you from approaching women.

Your reaction to this fear AND your fear of facing the reality of your low attractiveness to women cause you to create an ego salving delusion that you are very attractive, but women are to [blank] to see it.

Here's the simple fact: if you have poor success with women, you are not attractive to them.

At this point, you can either find out what actually attracts them and work on being more like that, or you can stay in the delusion bubble.

Break the bubble. Do this by meditating on previous experiences with women and in life. The delusion bubble goes beyond women. You must focus on remaining calm when you do this. When a knee-jerk emotional reaction pops up, remind yourself that this is not productive. Accept the truth dispassionately. You are where you are and that's ok. NOW, you're in a mental state conducive to self-improvement.

VD said...

Is asking for someone's fears somehow relevant to the subject of dating?

Yes. Because one of the reasons you are locked into your low socio-sexual status is fear.

One thing you'll often hear about me is "zero fucks given". I don't have many of the fears that you do because I am of high socio-sexual status, but I can still remember when my status was much lower and I did have some of those fears.

You can surmount them. You can become better. But you can't do that as long as you're running around like a frightened little headless chicken, spouting word salad as you try to hide from everyone what they can already see. Stop posturing. Stop posing. Admit the truth to yourself and others. That's the way out.

VD said...

One of the things I've learned reading Vox is that I need to and have developed more of a "get-to-the-f*cking-point" mentality.

That's good. Fail faster. Pain and failure are the seeds of future success.

Bastiat's Ghost said...

Hey now, Fat girls need loving too.

Brad Andrews said...

So many here must live in a red pill Lake Woebegon (sp?). All men must be above average! They certainly are!

Dominic Saltarelli said...

Fat girls, skinny girls... It's all the same. It what is inside, under the skin, that matters.

johnthefaster said...

The paranoia about "porkers" that emanates from gammas is telling. I've spent plenty of time around legitimate high Betas and Alphas, and perhaps even a Sigma or two for a few minutes here and there. None of them are worried about fat women. All of them have slept with fat or otherwise low SMV women from time to time.

It's not their preference to, and a high SMV guy who regularly chooses fat women will get ribbed for being a chubby chaser. If he's low SMV, he'll get ribbed that he can't get girls who are higher SMV. Of course, any guy who offers more than sex to low SMV women will get a lot of derision - and well so.

The simple fact is, you go for the highest SMV woman you can. If you don't like what that is - perhaps it's all SMV 2, perhaps it's all overweight women - your choices are to choose celibacy, or else to pursue a life of looking at pornography. Most gammas choose the latter, which crushes their souls.

The average gamma would do well to try nofap and noporn for a while, and eventually those 2's start looking like 4's - and at the same time, the personality of a man who does not look at porn is far more attractive than your typical gamma who uses the stuff multiple times a day, accustoming his mind to think he is worthy of 8's and 9's, when he can't even land a 5.

Alpha men are also not afraid of rejection from a woman. The idea that "no porker has shot me down" would never run across their minds. In fact, lots of them have a funny story about an unattractive woman turning them down. Why would they care if an unattractive woman shoots them down? They have plenty of unattractive women who pursue them, and don't regularly get turned down by attractive women.

If anyone wants to graduate from gamma to delta, please read how Mindstorm talks and thinks, and then try to not do that.

johnthefaster said...

♠, you may be graduating from gamma, because when I read your posts, I'm not overcome with a strong desire to clean your clock.

Are gammas repulsed by other gammas?

johnthefaster said...

@crossphased


Simply stop analysing everything for the best possible outcome. Do things because you feel like doing them, not because they're the "safe" choice.

Try picking up a sport (in sports you learn to just act, without having to think first, and how to act and generally make the right choice). Sports will involve a ton of failing, getting made fun of, etc. All these things make you more of a man.

Corvinus said...

Are gammas repulsed by other gammas?

@johnthefaster
If I had to guess, I'd say the people who can stand Gammas least are Sigmas, ex-Gamma Deltas, Omegas, and women. Gamma-Gamma catfights definitely occur, but for reasons other than finding each other's Gammatude repulsive.

johnthefaster said...

@Corvinus

There needs to be some way to communicate to gammas just how repulsive gamma behaviour is. "I want to punch you in the face" is the succinct way, but gammas tend not to believe that.

Notice I said "gamma behaviour". Gammatude is 100% about behaviours, not looks or static appearance. I can't tell if a guy is a gamma from a still photo. I can immediately tell once opens his mouth.

Dystopic said...

@johnthefaster: "Are gammas repulsed by other gammas?"

Gammas like rabbit warrens. They are most comfortable with other Gammas, but don't really like them, either. It's a fountain of passive-aggressive bullshit. They'll turn on each other for a nickel, but aren't repulsed by one another, usually.

On the other hand, if you've gone redpill, or whatever the term is for it these days, then yes.. Gammas are actively repulsive to you. Especially for ex-Gammas and Gammas working on themselves. You see a reflection of your own mistakes and it's not pretty.

Vogon X said...

Dominic Saltarelli said...
Fat girls, skinny girls... It's all the same. It what is inside, under the skin, that matters.


Assumed that link was gonna be to a diagram of female genitalia

said...

"you may be graduating from gamma, because when I read your posts, I'm not overcome with a strong desire to clean your clock"

Maybe. My self-assessment as gamma was based on taking a hard and painful look at how I had been fitting into male dominance hierarchies, not sexual ones. I feel a need to try to compete for status with the deltas and betas but in my misspent youth I never really learned how one goes about it.

Sexually I already had realistic standards so the lower-your-standards part of this advice is already second nature to me and in fact surprising how many people are reacting negatively to it. This may be because I am too old to have grown up with internet porn.

johnthefaster said...

I've had a rabbit infestation lately, so it's been a mix of turning the dogs loose on the warrens, or using 'em for target practice. Gammas, take note.

The instinct I feel around a gamma male is not a learned behaviour. It's a mixture of repulsion, disgust, and a feeling of unsafety - like I could be shivved at any second. A protective instinct also takes over as well, to keep any womenfolk safe from these creatures. (Not really necessary, since the womenfolk all avoid them as much as they can too.)

To graduate gamma, a gamma male needs to learn what he does that makes people like me feel unsafe (the same feeling one gets walking through a bad part of town when unarmed), and makes people like me feel utterly disgusted in the "I must ensure my daughter / sister never is around any of these guys".

johnthefaster said...

Spade, I would assess you as a low delta then. Do you have hobbies? Do you participate in any kind of community organisation, like a church or some kind of club? Do you not have a drinking problem and a smoking problem? If you are answer is "yes" to these questions, then you are quite likely not gamma.

The male dominance heirarchy IS the sexual heirarchy. It's possible to manipulate women into mis-reading where you are in the male dominance heirarchy, which is really the essence of what outer game / pick-up artistry is. (Although learning how to do that well will eventually bump you up in the male dominance heirarchy.)

Vogon X said...

Are gammas repulsed by other gammas?

Don't think I've ever been a gamma (used to think I was until I saw how awful the likes of John Scalzi were), but I was a very low delta, and I was repulsed by men even lower on the scale from me. I can tolerate them much better now that I'm more around high delta/low beta.

I think it's because others tend to assess your status partly on the status of those around you. If I'd spent too much time around omegas, people might have started to see me as one of them, as I wasn't so much further above them. Nowadays I'm much more likely to give omegas the time of day, as it's a ridiculous idea to me that anybody would conflate my status with theirs, so there's nothing to fear and nothing to lose.

Delta Man said...

Ex-Gammas don't like Gammas because they know how much damage they are doing to themselves and people around them. They can also spot them a mile away. Alphas and Betas ignore them whenever they can and don't hang out with them. Deltas will befriend them occasionally and wonder what's wrong with one of their buddies, but since Deltas tend to be loyal remain their friend. The life of a Sigma is so far removed from a Gamma's they don't understand them typically and are extremely annoyed by them. Omegas probably ignore them unless they are annoyed by them then could have a strong reaction.

Cail Corishev said...

My self-assessment as gamma

There's a lot of overlap between Delta and Gamma, and many Deltas have some Gamma tendencies, especially these days when society works so hard to emasculate men and promote effeminacy. So for most guys, it's probably not so much "Am I Delta or Gamma?" as "What Gamma tendencies do I have and how do I eliminate them?"

I didn't used to think pure Gammas existed, but I'm changing my mind about that.

Dystopic said...

@Cail Corishev: "I didn't used to think pure Gammas existed, but I'm changing my mind about that."

Scalzi pretty much nails the pure Gamma.

Delta Man said...

A high Gamma and a low Delta could both be threes with three being the highest a Gamma can achieve and the lowest for a Delta. A Delta at three may have few or no Gamma traits, but be ranked low for other reasons.

The ranks can overlap but reasons will be different. Below average does not always mean Gamma.

Dominic Saltarelli said...

Vogon X said...
Assumed that link was gonna be to a diagram of female genitalia.


Never... best thing about a woman is her brain.

Ron said...

@Mindstorm

Your problem in a nutshell: deep down inside you do not believe change is possible. That the poor standards your exhibit are the real you, and to abhilate them is to anhilate your self.

Not so. All this is the superficial manifestation of you in this world, the real you is something much much bigger (your soul). So is the real everyone.

To change in a positive direction will develop your most important attribute: the will to change in a positive direction, this is far more important than "to be" at a high status, because as a man it is your choices that count, your acceleration, not the place or even the velocity where you are at. (Acceleration relates to the active application of force to a system to either maintain a velocity against an opposing force, or change a velocity to a desired state.)

The success or failure of any action is only relevant insofar as it is a measure as to where you are applying force correctly to achieve a desired goal state. Thus a porker shooting you down is only relevant insofar as it tells you whether the outcome matched the expected outcome based on your actions whose purpose is to achieve a much longer range goal.

TL:DR you should be focused on learning how to chat up women, not on what kind you happen to have gotten at any particular moment in time.


Corvinus said...

Spade, I would assess you as a low delta then.

@johnthefaster @♠
I would too.

Don't think I've ever been a gamma (used to think I was until I saw how awful the likes of John Scalzi were), but I was a very low delta, and I was repulsed by men even lower on the scale from me. I can tolerate them much better now that I'm more around high delta/low beta.

@Vogon X
I usually find Omegas more tolerable than Gammas, as long as they at least appear harmless. My opinion of Omegas hasn't really changed much as I've gone from Omega to high Delta, although I find I can no longer stand either Gammas or Lambdas.

So for most guys, it's probably not so much "Am I Delta or Gamma?" as "What Gamma tendencies do I have and how do I eliminate them?"

@Cail Corishev
Exactly. This would also apply to Omegas.

Mindstorm said...

You really have no idea how you come across to others,do you?

Because she was someone met the same night, I still feel good about it. An effortless lay, what's not to like? Why would I care how that would make me come across to anyone else?

Daniel said...

Because, you slow wit...you are whining on a social status blog. That is why you care.

AmyJ said...

It would seem that calling out a gamma is much like calling a woman slutty or fat.

There's denial. There's anger. There's "I don't care what you think" combined with a need to prove you wrong. There's boasting about their prowess (re: "chubby chasers" or bed post notches). There's insistence that you're the one who's insecure and needs to fix yourself, not them.

And probably tears wept into their pillow late at night.

With zero attempts to better themselves.

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buzzardist said...

The problem is I already "know" that my level is low, I just "feel" like its higher.

Problem: I know my fighting ability is low; I just feel like it is higher.
Solution: Get into the ring with better fighters over and over again until your feelings change.

Problem: I know that I am physically weak; I just feel like I am stronger.
Solution: Get into the weight room to see how many reps you can do and what your max is.

Problem: I know that I am of average intelligence; I just feel like I am smarter.
Solution: Engage in disputation with highly intelligent people trained in logic and rhetoric.

Problem: I know that my SMV is low; I just feel like it is higher.
Solution: Ask out a lot of different women and see just what your SMV is.


This doesn't seem like a difficult problem to me, but avoidance makes it so. The solution is always simple. It just requires effort and honesty.

buzzardist said...

The problem is I already "know" that my level is low, I just "feel" like its higher.

Problem: I know my fighting ability is low; I just feel like it is higher.
Solution: Get into the ring with better fighters over and over again until your feelings change.

Problem: I know that I am physically weak; I just feel like I am stronger.
Solution: Get into the weight room to see how many reps you can do and what your max is.

Problem: I know that I am of average intelligence; I just feel like I am smarter.
Solution: Engage in disputation with highly intelligent people trained in logic and rhetoric.

Problem: I know that my SMV is low; I just feel like it is higher.
Solution: Ask out a lot of different women and see just what your SMV is.


This doesn't seem like a difficult problem to me, but avoidance makes it so. The solution is always simple. It just requires effort and honesty.

JCclimber said...

The fear of being around, being nice to, or light flirting with a porker is a pretty significant tell of your status.

I pretty quickly learned not to do the light flirting when I was working on eliminating the delta traits, because occasionally one of them would take me seriously. They're just people, and while their obesity could be contagious if you spend too much time around them, it won't kill you in small doses.

In fact, like plain women who are only average or slightly above average in looks, they are pretty easy to be around because there is absolutely zero sexual tension (at least in your mind, maybe they have some tension). If you're afraid to be seen talking to them or being in their vicinity, it is because you are afraid that they or other women may perceive that you are on the same level of attractiveness.

Fear really is the mind killer. Amazing how long lasting the effects are on your ability to think intelligently, and fear corrodes your ability to examine yourself.

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Blume said...

The two gammas I know in n real life make you want to punch them. So yes real gammas exist and most people that think they are gammas are just low deltas with high gamma tendencies.

crossphased said...

Modern church is a gamma warren. I remember growing up that the emphasis was on believing the right things, learning the language of the church. When kids spout off the churchian language the adults are impressed because "the kid's been listening," and that gives the kid an ego boost and reinforces the idea that status is attained through saying the right things. Those who don't say the right things are corrected, which is embarrassing, and reinforces the idea of saying the right things to be part of the group.

Plus, if you're involved in anything descended from the old holiness movement, most stuff is looked at as a sin, so achieving your full Gamma involves not doing stuff looked at as sin (pretty much anything), and looking down on those who do.

Blume said...

I do not believe that about church. If you want to say it restricts alpha and beta tendencies, then I would gladly accept that comment. Gamma requires you to be a liar. The church teaches that you cannot even lie to your self. To achieve true repentance you must admit you sin, and to sin is to fail god and yourself. It teaches that failure is a common event and that we, every person on earth, fail often. This anti gamma advice.

SciVo said...

@ crossphased: "Vox, do you have any recommended strategies for guys like me who have analysis paralysis?"

I'm not Vox and this could be bad advice, but I'd say try smoking pot. Just a little, until the overthinking stops, no more.

@ Mindstorm: "Because she was someone met the same night, I still feel good about it. An effortless lay, what's not to like? Why would I care how that would make me come across to anyone else?"

You should care that you don't know how you come across, from bragging about once.

Mindstorm said...

Because, you slow wit...you are whining on a social status blog. That is why you care.

You should care that you don't know how you come across, from bragging about once.


Dear anklebiters, decide on one interpretation. :)

SciVo said...

@ Mindstorm: Different people, with non-exclusive observations about different statements. Logic fail on two counts.

I would also note that name-calling is beneath me, but not beneath you. That's the level that you're at.

SciVo said...

I've been thinking about it, and here's the deal: if you're here, then you want to get better. And I have some advice for someone with both gamma and spergy tendencies, which is that you can use them against each other.

The trick (easier said than done) is to be aware and make a choice. Notice when your wounded gamma pride is leading to gamma rage, and invoke your spergy rationalism.

Notice when your spergy literalism is leading to social annoyance, and invoke your gamma emotionalism to create rapport.

Easier said than done, but with practice it is possible. I do it all the time.

Mindstorm said...

Rule 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

I was making general, statistical statements. In turn, there was undue concern regarding my personal traits and predilections. If someone has crossed the line first, it wasn't me. Be my guest, go on about my imputed sperginess and gammatude, but notice that doesn't invalidate what I wrote.

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