Thursday, June 18, 2015

A wild card cometh

It looks as if women about to lose one of their most powerful bargaining chips when it comes to relationships:
 Male contraception is coming.

Vasalgel is a non-hormonal male contraceptive owned by the medical research organisation the Parsemus Foundation. It’s poised as the first FDA (Food and Drug Administration panel) approved male contraceptive since the condom.

What's more, it's estimated to hit the US market around 2018-2020 - and could change the way we view contraception for ever.

It's easy, too. One injection would last for years. Research tells us that at least half of men would use it.
I expect this will change male behavior as drastically as the female pill changed female behavior. We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior once use of this contraceptive becomes commonplace. On the other hand, by rebalancing the power equation between the sexes, it might have the counterintuitive impact of increasing marriage rates.

I also won't be surprised to see it forced on men in third-world populations.

48 comments:

Earl Thomas said...

'I expect this will change male behavior as drastically as the female pill changed female behavior.'

Yes.

'We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior once use of this contraceptive becomes commonplace.'

If the female pill helped to bring this out...the male one will accelerate it.

'On the other hand, by rebalancing the power equation between the sexes, it might have the counterintuitive impact of increasing marriage rates.'

It won't. The main purpose of marriage is to bring forth children into the world.

'I also won't be surprised to see it forced on men in third-world populations.'

Bill Gates probably is chomping at the bit to make money in third world countries off this.

Patrick said...

I don't get how it would increase marriages. Can you explain?

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I also won't be surprised to see it forced on men in third-world populations.

From your mouth to God's ears.

OTOH, I can easily see it forced on European men in a White genocide campaign, but that's just crazy thought.

Unknown said...

"We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior"

I'm not sure I understand. You mean, more casual sex in restaurant bathrooms?

Wojciech Majda said...

One will be reasonable to wait few years after a lot of men start to use it., to check is it:
a) really effective
b) really reversible
c) no nasty sides like cancer etc.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior"

I'm not sure I understand. You mean, more casual sex in restaurant bathrooms?


It means straight men are going to start tidying their apartments, tucking in their shirts, and listening to Madonna.

D. Lane (#0067) said...

I'm not sure I understand. You mean, more casual sex in restaurant bathrooms?

It seems to me that the introduction of male contraception reduces female bargaining power by eliminating the risk of unintended fatherhood. The supply of pussy stays the same, but the risk of consuming bad supply (unreliable or unscrupulous women) is drastically reduced. This means greater access for men due to increased competition among women. Zero fatherhood risk means the increase in female competition can be capitalized on a whim, not unlike homosexual exchanges.

I don't get how it would increase marriages.

In a male contraceptive paradigm, resource seekers must marry to extract resources.

Nate Winchester said...

I don't get how it would increase marriages. Can you explain?

Basically it would be like resetting the clock, clearing the deck, whatever your favorite metaphor. If you look at relationships in an economical fashion, right now women have a substantially good position for bargaining. For instance they can turn down marriage at their leisure, and if they want it, just stop with the BC and baby trap a guy. This would put both sides on an equal negotiating footing. If women want men to marry them, they'll no longer have babies on offer, they'll have to offer something else to the guy. Sex would be one of the most obvious which means women will have to start self-policing again to reinforce the trade cabal lock they once had.

I'm betting both will happen. There will be a time of everything getting worse before humanity finally learns from experience and then things will return more to tradition.

c) no nasty sides like cancer etc.

I don't know if even an increase in cancer risks will stop guys. This drug will pretty much have to rot your balls off to keep guys from using it.

Durandel Almiras said...

Well this would take controlling when kids can be made away from the sole purview of women. So I guess that is a positive. The bad is that in the first world, birth rates will drop even further. Granted, the positive with that is that the religious and child-minded will be the ones having kids and passing such inclined behavior to the next generation that will inherit a depopulated earth, but this can be a demographic disaster as it takes forever for this and female contraception to take hold in the 3rd world.

At what point do you think the Malthusians will just impose this on the African peoples (and whatever other groups breed above replacement) since neither African culture, economics or behavior are likely to change within the time frame these people want?

As for my own plan, I'm gonna find a good very young and beautiful Christian woman who hates feminism, wants babies, wants to homeschool, and likes men to be men (they do exist, I'm presently dating one right now). Get married, have at least 4 kids (at the very least, 50% sons, please G-d!) and instill in them the need for us to build a legacy and a strong family.

Hate the Rothchilds, Rockefellers, etc all you want...they have the right idea about family, clan and protecting their interests. Copy from the best.

OT: Vox, being Italian, I have some family that is Jewish. Just went to my cousin's bat-mitzvah and attended a 3 hour Shabbat (Catholics should go so that I never have to hear another complaint about an hour long Mass). Anyway, in the middle of it, they have these two prayers, one for their country (USA) and one for Israel. Such very different prayers. For the the USA, they pray it be welcoming, unbigoted, and equal to all. For Israel, may it stay pure and strong against its enemies. The naval officers in my fam in attendance were a little alarmed at the stark difference in the prayers. I for one admire the Jews for brazenly standing by one another and for having tribal allegiance. If only the various European nations would do the same instead of willing committing cultural seppuku.

Durandel Almiras said...

Good points Nate. I didn't consider that taking babies off of the negotiating table might but raise the "price" of sex again in the mating market.

I still think this will just weed out further the undisciplined of the Western world, which will suck but hopefully allow Europeans to bounce back stronger in a few generations

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

If only the various European nations would do the same instead of willing committing cultural seppuku.

Are you kidding me? The European nations are being genocided by creatures like your family members.

F*ck off, yid.

Durandel Almiras said...

Cool it LBF. Talk about having a knee jerk reaction. I'm not a yid, I'm goy, since I'm Catholic. And It is perfectly fine to admire the tactics of those who wish to harm you. I'm not denying the part the Tribe (don't blame them all, blame the leaders) has had in the demise of Christendom, but I don't deny our own part in swallowing the poisoned cool aide and my people's continuance to do so. I want Italy for Italians just as other groups want their country for their people.

AmyJ said...

Other positive side effects:

Reduced single motherhood
Reduced rape of male resources via child support
Increased chance of women embracing femininity in an attempt to attract high value mates

And on a personal note, my son won't be as much at risk of having his life ruined by a spiteful female

This is a game changer

Trust said...

@: " As for my own plan, I'm gonna find a good very young and beautiful Christian woman who hates feminism, wants babies, wants to homeschool, and likes men to be men (they do exist, I'm presently dating one right now)."
______

Believe me, there is a difference between dating one and marrying one. Marriage overhauls the power structure ane bahavioral incentives of relationships.

I wish you the best, but proceed with caution..

Aeoli Pera said...

A new world where Aeoli is king of poon. I think that is definitely what's going to happen.

Corvinus said...

Unlike some other posters, I can understand why Vasalgel might increase marriage rates, namely by taking baby traps off the table. It also might decrease out-of-wedlock births. The effect on marital birth rates would be a wash, I imagine, since women would be more willing to marry, but would probably be begging their fiances to take the gel out if they wanted to do so.

Not quite sure how men would become more faggy, though.

Cail Corishev said...

I don't think men avoid sex out of fear of pregnancy very often, especially in the age of the condom. So I wouldn't expect this to change male behavior very much, except maybe to make men a bit more confident, which would be a good thing. It could change female behavior because a woman will no longer be able to count on trapping a man (vasectomies already keep that from being guaranteed, but they aren't common enough for women to worry about).

Nowadays, there aren't many younger women trying to trap men into marriage; if anything, most younger women are trying to avoid pregnancy and marriage. But a particular exceptional man might trigger that behavior, especially if he's slumming. And it's bound to be much more common in women approaching the Wall. She's 34 and has been shacking up with a boyfriend for five years, and she wasn't interested in babies and marriage at the beginning, but she knows her looks have been failing badly since she hit 32 and he's starting to slip away, so "Oops."

So it seems like it could force more honest behavior in those situations, but that's ascribing a certain amount of reason and logic to women, which is always dicey. It probably makes more sense to think about what their emotional reaction to having part of the "right to choose" taken away from them might be, and bet on that. Women are obsessed with having complete control over their own destinies and the right to do whatever they want in all situations -- including having a baby just as late and as soon as they want one -- so they won't like this one bit, but what will they do?

Jack Amok said...

I also won't be surprised to see it forced on men in third-world populations.

Ancient history in most of Asia does seem rather full of eunuchs. Also, in power-play societies, men with children are often seen as potential threats or at least rivals who will try to secure more power for their kids. If nothing else, a childless eunuch doesn't have any children his patron needs to find positions for.

YIH said...

We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior once use of this contraceptive becomes commonplace.
Probably not quite to that degree. But a rise in STDs? That is quite possible.
I also won't be surprised to see it forced on men in third-world populations.
A few less dindus would not really be a bad thing.

hank.jim said...

"One injection would last for years."

I hope this is reversible. There should be a counter injection to reverse the effects. There should also be a test so you'll know if the injection is still working. This should put more fertility labs in business. Once a year fertility tests. Wank into a container for sperm count and mobility testing.

There was another article that says male fertility has declined from plastics. I guess this is more to contend with.

This brings declining demographics to a head.

Women at least have an option to forego birth control pills entirely so they don't have to ruin their own fertility. Just freeze the man's sperm.

Cail Corishev said...

Other positive side effects:

Reduced single motherhood


Not a chance. Game wardens finally figured this out with hunting limits: one buck can breed a whole lot of does. Hunters can take 90% of the bucks one season, and you get just as many offspring the next year. It's true with people, plus you get a tragedy of the commons effect: the more men you can get to hold out, the more and higher quality women are available, and the more incentive there is for the few remaining men to breed them despite any negative consequences.

Reduced rape of male resources via child support

Probably not. Child support already isn't about reason or justice; it's about making sure women aren't held responsible for their actions. If women are all getting bred by the same small group of bucks who can't be squeezed for enough child support to satisfy them all, I fully expect the courts to shift from a paternity-based model to a responsibility-based one (we're already seeing signs of this). If you're living with a woman when she gets pregnant, the court will say you gave her the "reasonable expectation" of support (that phrase is a favorite dodge of judges), so it won't matter that you can prove your non-paternity. Tagging you will be seen as preferable to her standing in line with 15 other women trying to squeeze child support out of some ex-con's minimum-wage paycheck. The courts will relax the requirements for what makes a man "responsible" until a man can be selected in most cases (and the taxpayers will pick up the rest).

Increased chance of women embracing femininity in an attempt to attract high value mates

Maybe, but I think that incentive already exists. Women already doll themselves up and dust off the cookbooks when a high-value man enters the picture. This doesn't change what it takes to get a man to sleep with her or marry her; this only changes what she might have to do to reliably get pregnant by him.

This makes it harder for a woman to have an "oops pregnancy." That's really only a danger to two men: the very wealthy/high-value man who looks like a sweet payday, or the man who's sleeping with a woman but thinking about breaking up because her value is falling. If that second man's woman can't trap him with a pregnancy, she'll have to keep him around some other way -- perhaps by keeping her motor running in the bedroom and not turning into a shrew. So I could see it having a bigger effect for that kind of normal guy than for the high-value guy who's already on alert for gold-diggers.

Puzzle Privateer said...

'We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior once use of this contraceptive becomes commonplace.'

So we're all going to start fucking teenage girls?

Vincent Castrillo said...

It absolutely must be forced on third worlders. Especially mandatorily for any "immigrants". At some point with the loss of Western brain capital and future planning a more Malthusean reality will force the hand of governments around the world. That will be easier if there are only one or two main world governments by that point.

Either way we all lose. Stay true to the faith.

Earl Thomas said...

'Not quite sure how men would become more faggy, though.'

It's one of the side effects of taking the procreative part of sex out. Sex just becomes about seeking one's own pleasure and making others into their instrument.

From Humanae Vitae

'Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection.'

Vincent Castrillo said...

Durandel ---

The short length of time of Catholic masses is the one thing almost universally held in their favor. Never really heard what you implied before. What are those complaints based on?? Baptists? 3 hours if you include Sunday School. PResbys? Goodness, the preacher can talk for hours.

I honestly cannot think of a real denomination in the US that has a shorter Sunday obligation. Heck the 7AM mass lets out at 7:40.

I won't even touch too much on the contradictions in your Jewish observations. Don't let your desire for more solidarity among your people blind you to the pure evils the Roths have commintted for centuries. A true and noble people with a healthy outlook would want a just, high trust world for all in their own countries and cultures. Failing that, they would seek to protect their own with their lives. Instead these people openly proclaim it is fine to be parasites and rot the soul of others, but don't stop protecting our little bubble. It's sick and cowardly my friend. The older you get the more clearly you will see why peoples all over the world for thousands of years have felt this way.

Vincent Castrillo said...

Cail ---

That is a very compelling argument. I don't see how doubling down on more contraception can lead to anything but more doubling down on the evils that resulted from the first massive round (pill).

There will always be low lifes and dummies. Until you work around or get to know a lot of the lower classes (especially blacks) you cannot understand how little future time orientation they have. I've met blacks guys who live on the streets with 15 kids. They won't ever trust "White medicine". Ditto for getting this into Africa unless you quite frankly commit the greatest conspiracy of all time. There is a reason they refuse Ebola vacs and white medical help often : they honestly believe we are trying to cull them like the dumb vermin many of them are.

Do you really think making a "condom" a more permanent and reliable thing will magically make the new generations more responsible? Less slutty? Of course not. Almost anyone under 25 at this point is lost to this age and unredeemable. We can only hope for a catastrophe to shock some out of it for the benefit of future generations because if we "live" like this for another 50 years, we are permanently destroyed. But that is beyond the scope. More casual sex without any commitment is sure to only make big daddy government make ALL of us more responsible for Lakesha's 7 kids and trailer trash Nancy can have all of her bills paid because her 3 babies need it.

As to the third point, women will always try to push as far as acceptable to look good and attract male attention. Sterile penis of a one night stand that she doesn't even know anyway doesn't change this equation. And expecting marriage rates to increase in light of this is the old "repeat same things/insanity" meme. Your only hope is fuzzy math, where less kids in total being born makes it seem like there is less out of wedlock births as a percentage. The "good", limited as they may be will continue to get married and have (hopefully large) families.

Cadders said...

I think widely available, inexpensive, effective male birth control will have a huge impact on the balance of power between the sexes.

All this talk of men being unwilling to use it, tales of side effects etc are irrelevant. Just it’s availability is a game changer. Because for women it raises the cost of babies. Babies are something that the majority of women end up craving, sooner or later. And babies are the gateway to provisioning – either by a man or big daddy government. Women will no longer have certainty that any man they have sex with is functionally fertile or not.

If a woman sleeps around and becomes pregnant, identifying a man as the father becomes more difficult when he can claim he was on birth control. And if the resolution to that is to test his fertility with enforceable consequences – the man is on the hook if he is the father and walks away if not – then why not make DNA testing of children legally acceptable tests of paternity with enforceable consequences – the man is on the hook if he is the father and walks away if not?

If a woman is monogamous or even married, she will need her partner’s active consent in order get pregnant. She will need to behave more in line with her man’s expectations in order to seal the deal. It would be impossible to deny that each party were 50% responsible for the pregnancy. If both partners had to take conscious action to produce the baby then how can the ‘my body – my choice’ abortion rational stand?

I’m sure male birth control will have hosts of other unintended consequences but I suspect that they will all have one thing in common – it will force a change in the way women behave, compelling them, as a group, to be more considerate of men, as a group.

Scott6584 said...

Right now, there are many "unplanned" pregnancies that are propping up Native Western populations. Adding an effective male contraceptive is only going to reduce the Native Western population demographic even more - which bodes well for the immigrants invading North America and Europe...

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

@ DA ~ One can't deny the Jewish role in the destruction of the West. Who, whom?

Student in Blue said...

I expect this will change male behavior as drastically as the female pill changed female behavior. We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior once use of this contraceptive becomes commonplace. On the other hand, by rebalancing the power equation between the sexes, it might have the counterintuitive impact of increasing marriage rates.

I'm going to take a bold (and possibly foolish) stance and say that you're going to be wrong, VD. The pill changed female behavior in a very drastic way, because they were the gatekeepers of sex, and had bound up hypergamy beside. Add to that the constant pushing from academia for 'women, sleep around because it'll be a-okay' and there will obviously be an enormous change.

The environmental conditions for men are simply so completely different, that I can't see how "the gel" would be a huge game changer... for every man. Huge game changer for the man with options, certainly... but that ain't most men. Men have the thirst and most of them haven't been locking it away already, so that's not going to burst out like hypergamy did for women.

So on a whole, it will be a game changer for the alpha and alpha-like men... and it will effectively decrease the average quality of women available to the AFC. They'll still pine away and scoop up the dregs when they get thirsty enough, but unless there's an additional factor coming to play, "the gel" becoming available will not change male behavior anywhere near as drastically as "the pill" becoming available did for female behavior when it came out.

Plump Pleasant Plumber said...

Don't really believe that Vasagel will be allowed on the market. There will be too many "problems"with it. The Elites like what they have right now. That kind of societal change will be prevented at all costs. And, in any event, there's going to be a few problems that are arising. ISIS is not going to back down. This society is circling the bowl. Rampant perversions are growing, and any HONEST student of history will tell you we're in a terrible situation. Caligula can't compare to what we see nowadays.

Insofar as dealing with damaged American women, I honestly believe that as this society heads further into the toilet, most men will be bewildered.

beerme #0183 said...

Don't really believe that Vasagel will be allowed on the market. There will be too many "problems"with it.

Doesn't matter unless they find a way to magically stop medical tourism.

Double E said...

I'm going to take a bold (and possibly foolish) stance and say that you're going to be wrong, VD. The pill changed female behavior in a very drastic way, because they were the gatekeepers of sex, and had bound up hypergamy beside. Add to that the constant pushing from academia for 'women, sleep around because it'll be a-okay' and there will obviously be an enormous change.

The environmental conditions for men are simply so completely different, that I can't see how "the gel" would be a huge game changer... for every man. Huge game changer for the man with options, certainly... but that ain't most men. Men have the thirst and most of them haven't been locking it away already, so that's not going to burst out like hypergamy did for women.

So on a whole, it will be a game changer for the alpha and alpha-like men... and it will effectively decrease the average quality of women available to the AFC. They'll still pine away and scoop up the dregs when they get thirsty enough, but unless there's an additional factor coming to play, "the gel" becoming available will not change male behavior anywhere near as drastically as "the pill" becoming available did for female behavior when it came out.


I agree.

Like you say, women are the gatekeepers of sex. Also, Vasogel doesn't really do anything THAT novel, it just does it better. Any man who is truly worried about getting a girl pregnant has multiple options for preventing it already.

And the ones who aren't worried about it, well their behavior isn't going to change either. They aren't going to get a procedure, no matter how cheap or easy, for something they aren't worried about.

Vincent Castrillo said...

As Double E and several others have said....yep. Minimal impact.

If we must analyze this, then think of this as a good that is almost redundant compared with other existent goods. Also, no matter how effective this is, it does not change the desire (demand) for male sex in a meaningful way. A woman who is loose and worried about pregs can simply take the pill. Besides women would never really know if a guy was on it or not until they were already an established couple. Or a goober was extremely honest. A goober like that is not really likely to get it anyway....

As far as unwanted pregs go, as I said earlier, the prole trash don't care how many kids they have. The blacks on many levels are animals and would hump anything under any circumstances. Perhaps your only benefit to be had would be in convincing members of that race through the culture to simply "gel" themselves so hos can trap them. That would be of value, but I'd have to see it to believe it.

Overall, the state will simply redistribute from a larger and larger pool of unrelated people in response to any "wising up" of males in regards to single moms. The same ditzy, low class, low self esteem women will always find, bang, and breed with same alpha losers from the lower orders.

And we all will continue to pay as we have no balls anymore.

JAY WILL said...
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JAY WILL said...

Bargaining power is based on who has what to offer within whatever conditions. The less you have to offer the less options you have. It accelerates sexually successful males who can guarantee they won't get tied down unless they want to, men who get few results may feel a "surprise" pregnancy is a win? Women care more about this than men generally. Its only social forces that get men to care more.

Shaggers worry about getting a bird up the duff, your random guy maybe unconsciously loves going "free". Perhaps he's only getting two or three free shots in a lifetime? Give me an "omnivideo" camera and I reckon I could show you a million "sneakers" who without necessarily being conscious of it, would be seeing their big chance in the only game that counts. The brain knows the condom is a lie. Theres a reason condom porn is ignored, it denies the only real win you'll ever get. The little johnnies must run free!

Grinder equals loser. Its evil but thats how I see my father. Momma and poppa (gamma reframe nonsense) are old school, complimentary. Home builder, plus dependable earner who can "put stuff together", and likes it. Now retired and riding mountain bike about! A fucking doer!!! A man who would be ashamed to not work, to take a fuckin "duvet day" off, ya know normal the way its meant to be. I vaguely remember him making a bow and arrow up the forest for me. I don't seem to be drawn to it, found the woodwork saw in school unnerving, in fairness it can take fingers off. My mother ball breaks the fck out of him, he does this look on his face, my mother knows he's class, especially in crisis. Ive daydreamed about my father dieing and my mother saying his name in panic, then I think about being a little kid, in a nice bubble that that they created for me out of love and it breaks my heart because Ive tried to shut everything down and don't see a way to change it. All there is is family. The harsh truth of the ideologically motivated winder uppers is failed family relationships, I'm a safe space triggerized individual like all those losers, but I know its me thats the problem and they do too.

One Fat Oz Guy said...

There's also another group of men wanting it: married men who are done having children. My wife has stated that she wants me to get a vasectomy once we've had all the children we want.
I'm hesitant as if she decides to divorce me and can still have children with a new guy then I'm left out in the cold.
I'd rather Vasalgel, particularly because it's supposed to last up to 10 years, by which time my wife shouldn't be able to have any more, with or without me.
If she leaves me and I've had Vasalgel I can either reverse it or wait it out if I decide to start a new family in my 40s.
Either way, don't believe the line that vasectomies are reversible. Very low success rate of reversing.

Jack Amok said...

I fully expect the courts to shift from a paternity-based model to a responsibility-based one (we're already seeing signs of this). If you're living with a woman when she gets pregnant, the court will say you gave her the "reasonable expectation" of support (that phrase is a favorite dodge of judges), so it won't matter that you can prove your non-paternity.

Yep, I suspect this will be the case. Like Cail said, we've already seen guys get tagged with child support even though their girlfriends cheated on them and became pregnant by another guy. Not only did she have a "reasonable expectation" but we've also got to do "what's right for the child."

I think the biggest impact - assuming the shot does indeed last multiple years - will be sterilizing various populations, perhaps unwillingly, perhaps as a condition of something (parole, welfare, continued breathing, etc.). The question of course is, which population?

Eric said...

We can probably expect straight male behavior to more closely approximate gay male behavior

I doubt it. Women are already the limiting factor in sex. That's why gay men are so promiscuous.

I don't think this will change anything for young men. Women don't have any interest in trapping anyone until they've played the field. If this changes anything at all it's going to be that a relative handful of thirty plus year old betas will avoid getting trapped in a sexless marriage.

Durandel Almiras said...

@ Vincent - to be fair, I'm a director of music and liturgy for a Catholic parish. I hear complaints all the time because every parish has professional complainers. I've had Catholics who are university professors tell me to my face that Latin is not the language of the Catholic Church. The amount of stupid I deal with on a regular basis is ridiculous and is why I'm working on starting my own business so I can get out. Easily half of my congregation, if subjected to an EF mass would gnash their teeth because Mass was longer than an hour. They already moan when we have rare ad dons like a baptism because it will make them 15 minutes late to brunch.

I should note for the record, most of the complainers are from the loveliest of generations: the Baby Boomers.

Durandel Almiras said...

Does anyone here think there is a possible chance that if Vasagel had a high user rate, fears for the environment and the desire for chemical purity could possibly lead women to want men to "bear the burden" so that they could go off chemical bc? How much deranged female behavior is due to them always being hopped up on fem hormones like some roid addict?

JAU said...

Shifting the responsibility for BC to men might lead to some improvement in the rates of female obesity. My wife put on 40 lbs within 3 months of going on the pill, went off it and promptly returned to her previous weight. No idea what Vasagel would do to men's weight though.

Double E said...

No idea what Vasagel would do to men's weight though.

Shouldn't have any. Vasogel isn't chemical or hormonal. It is some kind of porous gel that fills the vas deferens and physically destroys sperm that passes through it, like shreds it up.

Double E said...

shouldn't have any effect*

aeolipera said...

OT: The modern female id, in a nutshell.

http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2008/07/25/strip-31/

Natalie said...

@JAU - that's a good point. I don't do most forms birth control either because of side affects or because it literally gets in the way, but it could be good for folks who either think they're done with kids (late 30's and don't want permanent BC) or younger families who want larger child spacing (2-3yrs). If it was easily reversible it would be even better - those of us who have had to birth via cesarean really, really need to space our kids out a certain amount for best outcomes, and I basically have one option for birth control right now :/

(Please, no comments about modern women and obstetrics. I worked my ass off trying to VBAC our second after my son's emergency birth, but she wasn't having any of it.)

Eric said...

OT: The modern female id, in a nutshell.

The author must be in high school.

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