Wednesday, February 4, 2015

Prostitution is an economic phenomenon

A few years ago, I noticed that the street hookers in Spain were no longer limited to ugly Africans, but increasingly tended to be pretty Spanish girls in their late teens. So this news from Ireland does not surprise me.
Over 200 female students at Queen’s University have signed up to the Seeking Arrangement website where rich men pay cash-strapped young women, known as sugar babies, on average £5,000 for their company, or more often, for sex.
The average woman is far more concerned about her lifestyle and social status than any abstract moral concerns. So, once social status is no longer dependent upon maintaining virginity, most young women quickly determine that their vagina is an asset with a declining market value. And because women tend to overvalue credentials, "putting herself through college" is considered sufficient justification for just about anything.

But feel free to continue putting them on pedestals if you like, gentlemen. I'm perfectly aware that from the gamma perspective, even a woman who aggressively whores herself in pursuit of a useless degree from a fourth-rate university is only doing so because bad mens made her do it.

53 comments:

Earl Thomas said...

'The average woman is far more concerned about her lifestyle and social status than any abstract moral concerns.'

Which greek letter would this woman have?

Conscientia Republicae said...

Whiskey would be her letter. W.

Peter Jones said...

So the reporter goes to a website and sees that many young whores are listing their services not as a high class 'escort', but as a "struggling but nice college girl" at the local college. No doubt they need the money for "books and tuition" and not for cocaine.

Thats all the evidence you got?

All whores have heartwarming stories. It gets a better clientele and lots of repeat business.

cailcorishev said...

Which greek letter would this woman have?

π, of course.

Cataline Sergius said...

Prostitution is a reliable metric for how badly your culture is doing. Anytime a culture is circling the drain, women start selling themselves. The notorious prostitutes of the late republic/early empire period of Rome. The ubiquitous Jewish prostitutes of Medieval Europe. More recently the stream of prostitutes pouring out of Russia.

So it is completely unsurprising to me that western society's are seeing a massive rise in it. Particularly in the Anglosphere. In some ways we are culturally doing worse than anyone.

However this is a Game Blog, so the question is: Why?

When the world is about to become a much more dangerous place? Why lower your Marriage Market Value by Street Walking?

After all when the Great Gulp comes a girl is going to need a man to defend her.

It seems counter intuitive but is it?

Marriage in a healthy society is many things but among them is resource gathering for women. Particularly when the Beta Bux scenario is in play but what happens when the Beta can't deliver? Resources still need to be acquired, so...

Intellectually, from a male perspective, that makes a certain amount of sense but it doesn't feel like the right answer for some reason.

On a documentary I once a saw a pimp swear up and down that every woman on Earth, wonders what it's like to be desired enough to able to sell sex for a living. At the time I dismissed this and pimps have now largely been put of work by an iPhone app (not joking there) but I am starting to wonder.

Women are holistically sexual, never forget that. There is a drive in play in there that provides some of the answer but I can't quite get my male head around it.

MATT said...

Most girls on that site are not getting 5000...

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

There shouldn't be anything surprising about this. Relations between men and women have been reduced to the core. It's pure transaction now. Women need resources, men need sex. And romance is dead. But we knew that already,

Try not to think about it too much, gents, lest you go mad. Get on with life. There's still much to be enjoyed.

SarahsDaughter said...

π, of course.

So obvious yet so very funny.

Which greek letter would this woman have?

My understanding is that beyond a physical attraction rating, there is no need to further classify women regarding socio/sexual status. This is the average woman - she is "more concerned about her lifestyle and social status than abstract moral concerns." Feature? Or a bug?
NAWALT, of course, but it is highly likely the woman who is not like that was not born not like that.

Earl Thomas said...

'Feature? Or a bug?'

It's a feature that is a bug thanks to the fall. It takes the grace of God to overcome it.

And lest we pin this bug only on women...how many men are concerned with which greek letter they are and not so much on the moral or spiritual concerns?

Rek. said...

Every now and again I'll ask my **married or in a LTR, sometimes with kids** female colleagues or acquaitances my usual jerkbag question.

Lately I've had a lot of fun with, "how much would I have to pay you to fuck you", they usually settle on a save face number of a couple of thousands, varrying from a few to 50'000Eur.

My comeback invariably, "I wouldn't even give you 10Euros and you'd love it." Those that I am closest to I go in for the kill with, "you'd love to be my slut for free."

Some guys might find the liberty that I am taking with them quite incredible, but honestly once you've looked behind the curtain you'll realize that anything goes.

Rek. said...

@ Catalina

"Marriage in a healthy society is many things but among them is resource gathering for women. Particularly when the Beta Bux scenario is in play but what happens when the Beta can't deliver? Resources still need to be acquired, so..."

Most women are piss-poor at gathering resources for anything other than "her lifestyle and social status". (cf. supra, vox). For them it's all about "who is the most beautiful in the world?", the ego stroke, getting "likes" or in this case dollars. Plus it's easy.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Every woman has her price.

What we're seeing now is a bargain basement sale.

SarahsDaughter said...

And lest we pin this bug only on women...how many men...

The speck/plank thing. It occurs to me that a couple generations of men, pastors, teachers, parents, grandparents etc. have been silenced on discussing the sins of women and/or the natural tendencies of women because of speck/plank shaming.

Wonder who is happy about that?

Conscientia Republicae said...

And Earl Thomas, white knight supreme, just loves to carry that water.

MATT said...

Wow cool story, Rek.

When rent is due and their number is high already, the price becomes much more realistic.

The fact if the matter is, all relationships are transactional and men want only one thing from women.

Yes, having a helper is nice, having kids is nice, from what ive geard, but men are not driven by the urge to reproduce. Its the desire for sex. That it leads to reproduction is secondary.

MATT said...

Btw, many of the girls on sugar daddy sites are not in desperate need of cash. They arent all paying off student debt. Many are from "good" families with money and just want to be whores.

Deep down every girl knows shes worth money.

hank.jim said...

Wouldn't her social status go down instead of up? She is willing to pay the price now for money that she will fritter away for a drug habit or fashion. She will earn a useless degree that will go unused. Few will hire her with the reputation she has. Who will marry her? Prostitution could be desperation, but also a choice. There will be consequences regardless of what a gamma might think or do. If women think marriage is slavery, there is always the life of a prostitute.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

This should become more common as the economy struggles.

I can imagine wealthy alpha bulls keeping a few bought-and-paid-for girls in their harems.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

As I've mentioned here on more than one occasion, girls are adept at hiding their sexual activities.

You'd be surprised by the number of attractive, respectable-looking girls who nonetheless work part-time as escorts or strippers.

They work at Starbucks or as assistants in the offices of local financial firms, and then fly off to Vegas to party for the weekend.

In my experience these girls are rarely if ever 9s and 10s, more like 6s and 7s.

SarahsDaughter said...

Wouldn't her social status go down instead of up?

It depends on the social group. See the Kardashians.

MATT said...

They hide their past. I know of several girls who have become somehwat public figures in a small way, who were on sugar daddy sites, doing unspeakabke things. Rough Euro-porn level sex, im talking.

And they shack up with pitiful betas. Its disheartening, to say the least. Beutiful, sweet, feminine 7+ girls. You would literally never imagine this if them. And all because they had a dream of a career they needed help starting.

Nice normal girls. With feminine facial features. Not manjaw guineas.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Yes. Their tactics work on the betas and gammas because these chumps are still inclined to believe girls are sweet, innocent, angelic creatures. If they only knew...

MATT said...

In their defense, these girls have no tells, really. Demure, soft spoken, the real deal.

But in this setting, in this culture, and without any real men to impregnate them in their teens, what can you honestly expect from them?

Arranged marriage ftw

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Maybe being demure, soft-spoken are their tells. "It's always the quiet ones," as they say. Get a drink or two in them, or wave some cash in front of them, and things change.

They're also most likely not very smart, either, and lack the imagination, sophistication, and motivation to improve themselves to attract a high value man without using just sex.

SarahsDaughter said...

But feel free to continue putting them on pedestals if you like, gentlemen. I'm perfectly aware that from the gamma perspective, even a woman who aggressively whores herself in pursuit of a useless degree from a fourth-rate university is only doing so because bad mens made her do it. - Vox

In their defense, these girls have no tells, really. Demure, soft spoken, the real deal.

But in this setting, in this culture, and without any real men to impregnate them in their teens, what can you honestly expect from them?
- MATT

Bad mens, no real men, ...

A.) Men are responsible for women doing these things.

B.) The lack of real men is responsible for women doing these things.

C.) The individual woman is responsible for doing these things.





Earl Thomas said...

'And Earl Thomas, white knight supreme, just loves to carry that water.'

So men are more concerned about abstract moral matters and not his lifestyle and social status?

I see plenty of 'how to get laid' articles and not so much 'the dangers of fornication' articles.

MATT said...

I'm not laying blame on anyone. I was speaking practically.

Vox was criticised when he posted simething that appeared to be sayibg "MAN UP AND MARRY THISE SLUTS", but this was a misunderstabding. Im dsying accept that theyre mostly garbage, especially in this culture, and the situation is so poor that even the good girls are turnibg into real pigs as they realize the opportunities are not there.

Would you advise a man settle for a fat ugly pig?? We need to be realistic here.

Its not rewarding poor behavior. Its choosing the woman most likely to be the best help you can get. If that means a reformed pornstar, then thats what it means.

As a man, I look atound at fellow men and want to murder most of the pitiful loser non-men. I can only imagine the feelings they inspire in women.

Earl Thomas said...

'In their defense, these girls have no tells, really. Demure, soft spoken, the real deal.'

Well that's how they end up marrying naive men. These men either don't know the tells they are to look for or when they hear it...they rationalize it away.

SarahsDaughter said...

the situation is so poor that even the good girls are turnibg into real pigs as they realize the opportunities are not there.

Good girls? You might have this all backwards. I don't think you actually realize how much you are pedestalizing women.

For the average woman, the opportunities to are now becoming abundant. The opportunities to have sex and get paid for it with no consequences. No one to stone them, no one to condemn them, no one to tell them they're wrong.

Women like sex.

Women LOVE to have men want them.

Toats winning if she gets: a man wanting her + sex + money for her Louboutins!

hank.jim said...

Women lying about their past is not the men's fault. There are more than one way of lying. Funny thing about my first wife is she blamed me for not being more aware of her untruths. That's a killer because I instinctly took her word for the truth and I know that challenging her on her positions already angered her. Accusing her of lying is worse. There is only one truth. You can live in the lie or leave.

"Well that's how they end up marrying naive men."

I really don't believe this. A woman can't easily hide her reputation from the Internet these days. There are many tells that are not coming from her face and mouth. At minimum, look for tattoos. Besides, it might be irrelevant as relationships do not always lead to marriage especially with the low marriage rates.

MATT said...

@SARAHSDAUGHTER

Huh? You mistook me. I meant opportunities to marry a real manly man, rather than a lowlife thug or a whimpy crybaby.

I never pedestalized women.

Earl Thomas said...

'There are many tells that are not coming from her face and mouth.'

Hence the naive part.

Tattoos are probably the #1 tell...but every man should be educated enough on what the overt and covert red flags are and where the 'dealbreaker' line is.

MATT said...

@hank.jim

The women i mentioned gave no indication. Truly none of the usual tells. No tattoos, no huge earrings, nothing. They were true "one and done" whores. Well..maybe "handful and done".

Even if you thought to yourself "Yeah I bet she got a little wild at parties, maybe kussed some gurls", which would be a stretch based on their behavior, you would never think " I bet she was pounded up the ass bareback by a guy she technically met in person 20 minutes beforehand and took several loads all night for 300 bucks."

This is why its safer to just tell yourself theyre all pigs. Because theres a good chance she really was at one point. They have their teens and 20s to be all they can be. And the dumber ones do it into their 30s before waking up.

SarahsDaughter said...

MATT,
My apologies if I'm misunderstanding what you are saying.

It sounds like what you are saying is that because there aren't enough manly men/real men available, women are prostituting themselves. Is that right?

I'm suggesting that the reason women are prostituting themselves is because they can without repercussion. Similar to what Cataline said earlier. An indication of a flailing society. An an indictment on women's true nature.

Perhaps they are related. I don't believe it is enough to say that it is because of a lack of manly men/real men.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"because they can without repurcussion"

Yes.

Earl Thomas said...

'I'm suggesting that the reason women are prostituting themselves is because they can without repercussion.'

Well there are repercussions...but they are too deceived by the idea of money they don't see them.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

*repercussion

will said...

One hairdresser from my hometown could not resist bragging about her to trip to Palm Beach. She posted pictures of private planes, large pools, then towards the end a fuzzy picture of her and 'her male friend' who's age she tried to mask.

En-sigma said...

Speaking of economics, the site lists as a Sugar Daddy Perk that there are 8 sugar babies per sugar daddy. With that ratio, and some good ol' capitalism, they aint making 5(ish) at all. I would think that the rich guys really do not have to pay that much to get a girl to spend time with them. Most girls know who the rich ones are - think about the article outlining the life of "kept women" in Russia and their efforts at the club - they are angling for them. So, why would they need a website? And who wants low-rent whores to hang around with them when they are done with the real reason they are paying them?

Kirk Parker said...

"They work at Starbucks or as assistants in the offices of local financial firms, and then fly off to Vegas to party for the weekend."

I think it was Bob Greene who wrote an article, way back in the '80s, about encountering some of these "weekend warriors".

JCclimber said...

Only a gamma male would forego doing background history on any woman with whom they are contemplating tying the knot.

I don't have pity on any man who marries a former slut and then later complains about the unavoidable problems that will result for the rest of his entire life.

"She lied to me!" is not a valid excuse. Of COURSE she lied to you. They lie to you when it isn't important. They expect you to lie to them. They are most certainly going to lie to you, with 100% sincerity, on something that they know is very important to you and that they also know you are going to harshly judge them for doing.

Until the Angel Gabriel visits you to verify what she's saying, you should assume that she is lying about her "N" count.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"money for her Louboutins"

Too true. They love those shoes. I met and hit it off with an ageing blonde cougar in Newport Beach back in early 2012. A well-known, respected local doctor in her esrly 40s. I could have banged her, naturally, but her incesssant pleading that I buy her a new pair of Louboutins at nearby Nieman Marcus became too much to bear. Plus, her friend was way hotter. Even the older women have learned to deploy the art of resource extraction. Unsuccessfully, in this case, but still it makes you go: WTF?!

Bob Wallace said...

I ran a lot of hookers around when I owned a taxi years ago. All of them had mental problems, and so do those Spanish girls. And if they don't have them now, then they will develop them. The vast majority of the men were POS, too.

MATT said...

A doctor couldnt afford expensive shoes???

haus frau said...

Of course she could afford shoes. The game is to get the man to foot the bill.

SirThermite said...

"A doctor couldnt afford expensive shoes???"

Probably a podiatrist, who knows they're bad for her but wants them anyway...


"The game is to get the man to foot the bill."

More specifically, it's to find a heel who thinks she's worth the price.

Unknown said...

". Even the older women have learned to deploy the art of resource extraction."

Slightly wrong on this; starting at a very young age, when the monthly blood starts to flow, EVERY woman learns the fine art of resource extraction!

The only change in in older women, is their tastes have developed and are so much more expensive than the taste for a bag of Skittles in little girls.

MATT said...

"The only change in in older women, is their tastes have developed and are so much more expensive than the taste for a bag of Skittles in little girls."

How ironically unfortunate that no one wants to spend big bucks on a wrinkly old hag that smells like Grandma Lotion.

Subversive Saint said...

@Sarah's Daughter

Are you writing anywhere else recently? My wife has started the transformation and is asking for resources. I've been focusing on my own transformation and haven't been looking for places that I consider safe for her. Your blog has no entries after the middle of 2014 and it was always a good read when you discussed your journey.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

@ Unknown ~ Too true!

SarahsDaughter said...

@Subversive Saint,
I haven't written anything recent. Plenty of things to write about, no time to put into it right now. We bought a house last May. If I'm on the internet, I'm either procrastinating or I'm taking a break from painting, remodeling, redecorating, hauling wood (a lot of times I'm in the woods when I'm on here), and shoveling or in the summer; gardening and landscaping.

Take a look at Stingray's blog: https://verusconditio.wordpress.com/

And, of course I think this blog is a good one too, along with Dalrock's.

A book you could take a look through is: You Can Be the Wife of a Happy Husband.

Great to hear about your wife! When she's realized the joy she's been missing out on she'll be sorry to have taken as long as she has. I'll keep her in my prayers.

Eluana Rossi said...

In a society where it is considered normal that a young woman has sex when she's 15 or 16, virgity is no more a value and its loss does not reduce the "marriage market value" of a woman or its social status. No one would expect that a 25 or 26 years old woman is virgin (unless she's a catholic fervent...), sexual expertise is instead appreciated much more. Money determines the social status of everyone: money is necessary for a good education, from primary school to university, money is necessary to live in a "good" quartier and to have a lifestyle which makes you part of the upper class of your city (which is necessary to have the best opportunities, from a well paid job to a good (whealthy) marriage). Moreover, now marriage does not solve the "resouce gathering" problem of a woman: while during 50's a middle class man could warrant his family a good life (from a good house to a pleasant lifestule to a good education for his children) , now his salary is not enough and also his wife has to work.

As such, a young woman who works as a part-time "escort" for whealthy clients has nothing to loose: she does not depreciate her assets while she can gain the money she needs to maintain or upgrade her social status. Of course she has the risk to be discovered and be blamed by the same hypocrit society wich buys her services. She has just to resettle in a new city to have a new start.

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