Friday, January 16, 2015

The myth of mudsharking and the melting pot

It turns out there is considerably less racial miscegenation in the United States than is commonly believed:
A recent genetics ancestry survey by 23andme found that White Americans (European Americans) on average are: “98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American.”  Wow, that’s pretty white.  I’ll come back to that in a minute.

The survey also found that Latinos are “18 percent Native American, 65.1 percent European and 6.2 percent African.”  There might be a little self-selection here, resulting from testing more upper-class Hispanics, who tend to be more white. For instance, Rubén Lisker found the average admixture of a lower-income mestizos in Mexico City to be: 59% Amerindian, 34% European,  and 6% black.

Back to European Americans and their utter whiteness. The 98.6% figure, mind you, is an average.  Previous studies found that more than 95% of White Americans have no African or Amerindian ancestry and the 5% who do seem to have very little, so it is probably this 5% of White Americans who might be adding the 1.4% admixture into the average.

Let that sink in: 95% of White Americans have no African or Amerindian ancestry and those who do seem to have very little.
I'm afraid that leaves me out, of course, as I am considerably more Native American than Latinos are African. The idea that white women are attracted to black men has been pushed heavily by the media, but from dating sites to genetic science, the contrary conclusion keeps reappearing nevertheless.

Steve Sailer puts the percentages into perspective:
Think about your family tree back nine generations ago, which would mostly be in the 1700s. You have 512 slots in your family tree nine generations ago (two to the ninth power). The 23andMe numbers suggest that for the average white American, 1 of your 512 ancestors nine generations ago was black and 1 of 512 was Native American.

Here’s another way to think of it. If the average self-identified black is 73.2% black and the average self-identified white is 0.19% black, then the average black in America is 385 times blacker than the average white. That doesn’t seem very murky to me.

There are about 200 million whites, so that means a little over 3% have any black ancestry that can be found by 23andMe.

46 comments:

Earl Thomas said...

'The idea that white women are attracted to black men has been pushed heavily by the media'

For some reason I don't think it's the color of the skin but the character that leads some white women to black men.

Black men now have black women to choose from and the worst of white women.

Hank Brown said...

Something I've noticed is that even when the percentage is less than 20% African, the person self-identifies as black.

Bob Wallace said...

I've known more than one black woman who prefers white men, mostly because they to lighten their kids. When it comes right down to it, no one wants to be black.

boellemis said...

Mostly i think people get attracted to another race in the first place is because it is excotic and rare for them.

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b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 said...

I would state that the stormfront crowd is pretty big on 23andme. Which means there is probably a decent selection bias. However it is unsurprising that the results are that high. Even with record breaking interracial marriage numbers. White are still only out marrying at a 2.3% rate.

Cataline Sergius said...

We're finding out a lot of interesting things these days. Witness Vox's surprise tribal entry.

There was small colony in South Carolina who were dusky of color and quite adamant about the fact that they were not in fact mulattos. That they were a colony of Brazilians who moved north in the early 1800s. They all knew this story and all believed. They had had neighbors who had been spreading the rumor for better than a hundred years that they were in fact mulattos.

So when researchers offered to gene scan them gratis they eagerly accepted.

Mulatto.

But interesting ones. The African side of the gene pool had originally come from men. The colonist women had been white. Turns out this "colony" set itself up back in the 1700s before the racial component became a big deal. Basically servants that had married during the days of indentured servitude.

When the racial component became a big thing, Their ancestors set up their colony, invented the Brazilian story and buried the truth..

Not that they were happy about the fact that their neighbors had been dead right about them for past two hundred years.

Owen said...

I think folks see the highest profile mixed race couples and forget that if the guy didn't ink the multimillion dollar NFL deal, she'd be flipping him the valet key to her husband's Bentley after locking the glove box.

Corvinus said...

Something I've noticed is that even when the percentage is less than 20% African, the person self-identifies as black.
@Hank Brown
Possibly because sub-saharan Africans are more divergent from the human race than any other people except Australian abos.
The survey also found that Latinos are “18 percent Native American, 65.1 percent European and 6.2 percent African.”
Which Latinos? Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, Central Americans, U.S. Hispanics, ???

I've known more than one black woman who prefers white men, mostly because they to lighten their kids. When it comes right down to it, no one wants to be black.
@Bob Wallace
It's one of those cases where a lack of mixing between a certain group of men and women is due to the men, not the women. Although, all else being equal, black men prefer black women over white women too.

White are still only out marrying at a 2.3% rate.
@b1bae
I think that about half of "intermarriage" involving whites is when a white marries a Hispanic. And we can be pretty sure that the more European Hispanics are much more likely than Mayan Indians from Guatemala or black Dominicans to marry white Americans.

AmyJ said...

I remember being accused a few times of racism in high school when I'd turn down a black guy for a date. Never bothered me, but I think some women are so eager to appear inclusive and open-minded, that they'd go out of their way to date black men. Had a roommate like that; after a few black boyfriends, she started to wonder why white guys never asked her out...

August said...

Just try posting this in the 23&me forums. They shut down the Neanderthal/IQ thread because I started making fun of every idiot who showed up on the thread and starting crying about racism. 23&me is going to tank because the founders are so damn obtuse they are still dreaming about genetically targeted drugs, when epigenetics is already much more promising than the old model. They'd be smarter letting the forums go wild- and reading them, because any serious breakthroughs are more likely to come from people with shared dna sharing what has worked (or not) for them.

LP 999/Eliza said...

According to recently discovered family records my thinking dad was born stateside was wrong, someone amended his BC in 1950 reflect my grandparents new life in...NC. Of all states, its now clearer why I was so damn intent on going to NC in 2000 just to flee in 2007. No one told me dad was amended to have been born there then my grandparents moved to WV. Again of all states! In going through all the documents left behind at the old family properties that I walked away from in 2014, we are not Italian but Sicilian Italians and heavily RCC?

They held servants and romas were mentioned. This is strange since I thought roma's are modern terms for gypsy.

Still strange is the uncle who was birthed from a affair my great grandma had with a Russian man in America or at least I think its the great grandma or an aunt. His picture is dark hair, green eyes. I found all his art work from the 1920's to the 1950's, he disappeared in the 50's. Laminated it back in the 1990's, it depicted the pacific theater. so I delved into that and grandad, my dads father not only was there but I found a VA doc from the 1940's and 1956 detailing his numerous medals but terrible nervous mental breakdowns due to war fatigue. thus explaining or shining light on the artists in the family, our anxiety issues, PTSD, drug use, anger mgmt matter but massive amounts of love for Christ, money, hard work and patriarchy.

However! I am sure there are some wild sex parties my ancestors threw, there is no way with this level of scandal, births here and there and "stories" that other stuff was going down in the history of the pictures and war letters I have. It is easy to see life is life and rumors might be true. I'll never know what happened at each helm but I am quite surprised. The anger or what we call as PTSD or failed anger mgmt is well and alive around the fam but so is the light of Christ, rumors of inter racial marriage. I guess I have not discovered it all.

LP 999/Eliza said...

Many reject cable tv, hulu or whatever when ugly is promoted as pretty, the awkward acting of MRC only on Americant's tv. Americants will not pay for anything viacom, mtv, vh1 and every single news channel stateside. Even the actors and actresses ruin their own careers b/c they wont go along with the varied hideous scenes that the child molester does with great joy on GIRLS

LP 999/Eliza said...

Nicki M chose a 20 year old sir mix a lot tune, baby got back. Some men want a firm round rear, some want the skinnies. Men run da show!

ad9063fe-e742-11e3-981c-7fc742745f8b said...

Who cares about race mixing in 2015?

Black men historically have always been seen as hyper-masculine all the way up to Mandingo. If you honestly think slave master's wives didn't have wet dreams about them then, you are misinformed and, living in a state of denial.

Black alpha fux, white beta bucks... plain and simple.

Bigots might not want to be black socially but, sure as hell wish to emulate blackness in as you just discovered "swag" and "game" in the mainstream.

Vox, some of your posts are on point but, ones like these speak to white male inadequacy, insecurity, and black male preoccupation.

Do you honestly expect the media to not spin trends such as tonka trucks and tattoos as being proof of masculinity?

Why act surprised and outraged when this same media spins it to interracial relationships between black men and, white women?


Get over yourselves. No one with real male confidence cares who dates who! (Morons divide on the stupidest of topics).

Alcestis Eshtemoa said...

@Bob Wallace - Be realistic about black women, don't be a sucker and please see their "true selves". It's not a good idea and they offer foreign men nothing. It's basically a lot of costs and nothing in return, since it's all about their "sexual value" and how they need wealth transfers, since their native black communities can't "sustain" their vain, lavish lifestyle. Their attitude is even worse, trying to be something they're not with that hair wig and their feminine neuroses, always whining and worrying about something, feigning "independence" and "strength", when they're nothing of the sort.

Black communities, whether countries, or cities, are full of ugliness, bad nappy hair, obesity, violence, crime, anger, rage, lack of educational achievements, lack of a middle class (just a small upper-class and a large underclass), need for government wealth transfers (e.g. affirmative action. lawsuits) and other assorted bullshit. A foreign man has to be literally insane (perhaps afraid of dark-brown skinned women and lacking the spine to stand up to them), and so full of "women good, man bad" feminist crap to even tolerate assimilating those sewers into one's community.

Black women tried this miscegenation crap in Caribbean Islands such as Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic with Spanish men, spanning mulattos there, centuries ago. Previously, they also tried this in Ethiopia, with Arab men, during the slave trade centuries ago. Arab men were a bit luckier and much saner, since they castrated millions of black men, as well as overworking them to death, which kept black populations low. Some of them even aborted children of black girls present in the harem (great idea).

Don't forget the first big one, a millennium ago, of Dravidian women in India and their relations with Persian (Aryan) men. How did this "whitening" process work out?

Doesn't modern India have a lot of open defecation and lacks good government allocation of resources? Aren't Puerto Ricans generally poor, support welfare and full of health problems? What about Dominican Republic, which borders the failed black state of Haiti? Don't the latter two flee to NYC, with the first one fleeing to the UK?

Perhaps the only mild success story so far has been Brazil, but Brazil had so much discrimination against black/negro men (as well as mulatto and quadroon men born from black women), that it amounts to almost murdering the men (their own biracial sons as well), raping the women and conquering the place. Really tell me, how is massive mixing with these feral beasts a good idea? Not only are black women bad wives, but the children will be eternally traumatized for their father's choice in a mate.

Look at the recent Muslim attack on the satirical French magazine Charlie Hebdo, and see the pictures of the four terrorist Muslim suspects. These Islamists are from North Africa (their countries border black countries in the south), and two of them looked kind of "mixed" (mulatto). How did this crap get into their bloodline? Through their male ancestors having sex with black females a long time ago. Yep. One's descendants becoming impulsive terrorists, listening to rap music and shooting people in the street is a good idea because she's a "woman".

Alcestis Eshtemoa said...

@Bob Wallace - Talk to people from Ethiopia (Horn of East Africa), the Dominican Republic (Caribbean Island), Puerto Rico (Caribbean Island), India (South Asia) and Brazil (South America). The first one might not remember the Arab paternal ancestry, but the latter four are disgusted at what their ancestors did. They're ashamed of it.

Corvinus said...

@ad9063fe
Actually, the black male charm only applies to those from the western half of the Sahel like the Mandinka / Mandingo. Elsewhere in the continent, Africans aren't really any more "masculine" than Europeans. (You can tell by checking immigration statistics from DHS by country, and note those countries that have substantially more men than women, or more women than men, immigrating.) And sure, I imagine slave masters' wives were lusting after them, but typically only when they had become old and fat. Like the typical female sex tourist to The Gambia.

Res Ipsa said...

So at the end of the day, whites are mostly white, and blacks are mostly black. Out of the most recent 512 mating's needed to produce a white person today only 2 of those couplings were with a non white person. How much federal grant money did they get for this? White people have mostly white ancestors, who'd a thunk?

The other way to view this study is as an affirmation of the long held position of white supremacy groups; racial inbreeding doesn't result in a socially more beneficial offspring.

Bob Wallace said...

"Black alpha fux, white beta bucks... plain and simple."

You put that on my site once and I spanked you by pointing out blacks are the omegas of the entire world...on the bottom of every country in the world.

Vox said...

Who cares about race mixing in 2015?

Pretty much everyone or the media wouldn't be pushing it so relentlessly.

Vox, some of your posts are on point but, ones like these speak to white male inadequacy, insecurity, and black male preoccupation.

I have no white male inadequacies or insecurities. I'm Red. Feather, not dot.

Jack Amok said...

If you honestly think slave master's wives didn't have wet dreams about them then, you are misinformed and, living in a state of denial.

Black alpha fux, white beta bucks... plain and simple.


You've been watching too much TV. The average slave didn't look anything like Denzel Washington or Calvin Johnson.

pancakeloach said...

I don't get why some people desperately hold onto this idea that white women are interested in black men, especially in the face of contradictory evidence. What's up with that? Why are they so desperate to believe it's true?

Corvinus said...

@pancakeloach
Possibly because BM-on-WF is a common fetish among SJWs.

@AmyJ
Still shakin' mah haid at your roommate. Dating black, especially repeatedly, is a great way to be tagged as a "nasty skank ho" in the minds of white guys seeing her doing it.

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Robert What? said...

Why are European Hispanics called Hispanics? They are European.

Dexter said...

"Why are European Hispanics called Hispanics? They are European." -- a buddy of mine whose grandparents are from Barcelona (and looks as white as could be) explained that according to the rules, he is as "Hispanic" as a squat mestizo Guatemalan, and thus entitled to all the affirmative action benefits.

"I don't get why some people desperately hold onto this idea that white women are interested in black men, especially in the face of contradictory evidence. What's up with that? Why are they so desperate to believe it's true? " -- for white betas who think this, it is because it relieves them of any responsibility for their lack of success with women. "It's not me, they're just interested in black guys! OK, back to the xbox..."

bob k. mando said...

Robert What? said...
Why are European Hispanics called Hispanics? They are European.



you are clearly a product of modern public education.

the word 'Hispanic' derives from the Latin 'Hispania' which is how Rome referred to the Iberian peninsula. if you want to be technical about it, true Hispanics are genetically majority Euro Caucasian with an admixture of Moorish due to the Muslim conquest of the 700s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispania#The_Hispaniae

Matamoros said...

Black men historically have always been seen as hyper-masculine all the way up to Mandingo. If you honestly think slave master's wives didn't have wet dreams about them then, you are misinformed and, living in a state of denial.

Not at all. They were seen as barely human. In addition, the white masters held the whip hand which made them the alpha male.

Don't forget the first big one, a millennium ago, of Dravidian women in India and their relations with Persian (Aryan) men. How did this "whitening" process work out?

Same in China. The Mongols were originally white. Genghis Khan had red hair and green eyes. Through Chinese virgin tributes to the Mongol masters, the Mongols bred themselves out of existence.

I don't get why some people desperately hold onto this idea that white women are interested in black men, especially in the face of contradictory evidence. What's up with that? Why are they so desperate to believe it's true?

It suits the game plan of destroying whitey. Say it enough and everyone will believe it is true and act on it. "Just like in the movies."

Joe A. said...

There seem to be a lot of young bitches dropping drawers for the jungle apes locally, but I suppose that could be restricted to my area...

Robert What? said...

@Dexter

Ok, if he can put down Hispanic and get some government bennys, more power to him. My point was that I thought Hispanic was reserved for people of Amerindian descent.

Robert What? said...

@bob k. mando

"you are clearly a product of modern public education."

I'm in my late fifties, probably older than you are, and I was in public education when it was still somewhat akin to actual education.

"the word 'Hispanic' derives from the Latin 'Hispania' ..."

You are getting overly technical. "Hispanic" as I believe it has come to mean in recent years, is someone from Mexico/Central/South America and of significant Amerindian descent. But as I mentioned to @Dexter, if his lily white Spanish friend can get government benny's by checking off "Hispanic", more power to him.

There are plenty of "Hispanics" (in the classical sense) who are of pure or majority European descent. They just don't come to the US (except as tourists). The majority of the ones that come to the US are of Amerindian descent.

My question was, if I am of European descent I am called a European-American. If they guy from Argentina or Peru who is of complete German descent, why is he "Hispanic"?

Corvinus said...

You are getting overly technical. "Hispanic" as I believe it has come to mean in recent years, is someone from Mexico/Central/South America and of significant Amerindian descent. But as I mentioned to @Dexter, if his lily white Spanish friend can get government benny's by checking off "Hispanic", more power to him.

Actually, the definition of "Hispanic" is even more ridiculous than that. It means anybody from Spanish Latin America or Spain, or with ancestry from there, regardless of race. From this definition, we get the following:

1) Brazilians and Portuguese are not Hispanic.
2) Filipinos are not Hispanic. (For whatever reason, possibly because they abandoned the Spanish language while under American rule, the Philippines aren't considered part of the Hispanosphere by Fedgov's definition.)
3) People of, say, white Basque ancestry are Hispanic, because their ancestors came from Spain. (I suppose French Basques are SOL under this definition, though.)
4) Mayans, Quechua, Aymara, and so forth are Hispanic, because their homelands have Spanish as an official language, even if they don't speak a lick of Spanish themselves.

Of course, it would be much simpler to add "mestizo" and "mulatto" categories to the possible races on the Census forms, rather than add an extra "ethnicity" thing for Hispanics only (and not for anybody else), but bureaucrats aren't known for being logically consistent.

For some reason, the concept of "mestizo" confuses Fedgov, which leads to about half of Hispanics being dumped into the vague "Some other race" category, and most of the rest being considered "white". And since many federal agencies, including the CDC and FBI, don't recognize the "Some other race" category at all, they dump the people in that category into the "white" one anyway, which is why most of the top 10 Most Wanted have their race listed as "white", despite their looking like Mayans.

So, if you see U.S. statistics describing "white", "black", and "Asian", but no mention of either "Hispanic" or "some other or mixed race", you can be sure that 95% of Hispanics got thrown in with whites. (The overused but crappy CIA Factbook is a great example of this.) It's a case of watching for what isn't there rather than for what is.

Robert What? said...

@Corvinus

Thanks for the comprehensive analysis. It looks like the FedGov and the State Media (MSM) use whichever fits the narrative at that moment. That is why a half-white/half-Mestizo who is a "victim", is labelled Hispanic. While that same person - if accused of being a perpetrator against someone deemed higher up in the Victim Rankings - is referred to as "white" (viz George Zimmerman).

Wyndie said...

I am a white guy from SC with dark enough skin that outside of the south I get asked about my ethnicity. When I grew up every one was either white or black. Even Asians and native Americans were considered like whites. My kids would ask me what we were, since they were often mistaken for Hispanic. So, I finally had my genetics done by 23andMe. My ethnic make up was 96% white, 3.6% sub-Saharan African, and .4% Native American.
I am currently researching my family history. It seems that the non-white ancestry comes from a great-great-grandmother of mixed race. It seems that the real history of the south is not as simple as we are taught these days.

Dexter said...

Wyndie, you can "pass" for black and get all the AA advantages -- sweet!

Wyndie said...

Not true, Dexter. You have to be over 12% black to really pass for black. I've Been denied a job because I was not black enough, and I almost lost a chance at another. The only thing that saved me was That I was skilled in an obscure computer system. The IT director told the black HR director that if he made him hire an unqualified minority, he would fire them.
I can't wait until some feminist trys to disqualify me as a racist white man. I intend to use it like Vox Day.

Dexter said...

Wyndie, by law, you is what you say you is!

http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/eeo1/qanda-implementation.cfm

Q: What should an employer do if it believes that an employee is of a different race or ethnicity than the employee claims to be?

A: The employer must accept the employee’s self-identification by race and by ethnicity. Self-identification is a basic principle underlying these changes to the EEO-1 report. See 70 Fed. Reg. 71296.

liberranter said...

Had a roommate like that; after a few black boyfriends, she started to wonder why white guys never asked her out...

Yeah, go figure. The old saying "once you go black, you'll never go back" has an entirely different meaning for white women than what is commonly assumed. No, sweetie, you sure won't ever "go back;" you CAN'T. White men won't let you.

anotheronetakesthepill said...

@bob.k.mando: regarding the alleged Moor racial traits on Spaniards see the following chart:http://www.cell.com/cms/attachment/595595/4628359/gr2.jpg

genericviews said...

My ethnic make up was 96% white, 3.6% sub-Saharan African, and .4% Native American.

Thus proving the "one drop" rule scientifically.

ad9063fe-e742-11e3-981c-7fc742745f8b said...

where does one even begin to educate the majority of bigot racist idiots on this page including the blogger/

@Matamoros said... 'Not at all. They were seen as barely human. In addition, the white masters held the whip hand which made them the alpha male.'

(You do realize that your white ancestors were cave dwellers in the Caucasus mountains and, that the Greeks studied Egypt right or is all of this history above your bloated white supremacist head? Next you'll be telling me white washed history lies about early civilizations being entirely white)?

'It suits the game plan of destroying whitey.'

(So you're telling me the rich elite who control the media who happen to be white have a master plan to destroy themselves? Wow that makes perfect sense... said no one ever).

@Jack Amok said...

You've been watching too much TV. The average slave didn't look anything like Denzel Washington or Calvin Johnson.

(No the average slave did not look like Denzel Washington or Calvin Johnson but, the average slave had a bigger cock than your ancestors and yourselves. It didn't help that your ancestors allowed their wives to see "them bucks" on auction blocks naked did it? Imagine all the soiled panties of the slave master's wives).

Bob Wallace said...

"You put that on my site once and I spanked you by pointing out blacks are the omegas of the entire world...on the bottom of every country in the world."

(No this is actually my first time cockslapping all you misinformed bitches on this site. Caucasians ruling the world is a fairly recent thing if you knew anything about world history and, ancient civilizations predating the Greeks and Romans. You are mistaken in thinking blacks were the omegas then. Times change and so do rulerships).


@Vox

"I have no white male inadequacies or insecurities. I'm Red. Feather, not dot."

(No kidding you're red. You are the biblical descendant of Essau and, enjoyed raw meat then as well as now in the present but, sold the birthright for a future place in the kingdom of Christ when he returns).

And Isaac prayed to the Lord for his wife, because she was barren. And the Lord granted his prayer, and Rebekah his wife conceived. 22 The children struggled together within her, and she said, “If it is thus, why is this happening to me?”[a] So she went to inquire of the Lord. 23 And the Lord said to her,

“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you[b] shall be divided;
the one shall be stronger than the other,
the older shall serve the younger.”

24 When her days to give birth were completed, behold, there were twins in her womb. 25 The first came out RED, all his body like a hairy cloak, so they called his name Esau. 26 Afterward his brother came out with his hand holding Esau's heel, so his name was called Jacob.[c] Isaac was sixty years old when she bore them.

27 When the boys grew up, Esau was a skillful hunter, a man of the field, while Jacob was a quiet man, dwelling in tents. 28 Isaac loved Esau because he ate of his game, but Rebekah loved Jacob.

29 Once when Jacob was cooking stew, Esau came in from the field, and he was exhausted. 30 And Esau said to Jacob, “Let me eat some of that RED (bloody) stew, for I am exhausted!” (Therefore his name was called Edom.[d]) 31 Jacob said, “Sell me your birthright now.” 32 Esau said, “I am about to die; of what use is a birthright to me?” 33 Jacob said, “Swear to me now.” So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob.

(So yes your ruler-ship is in fact coming to an end as the prophecy confirms beyond what your pride can attempt to hide. Just deal with it and, stop whining as the meek shall inherit the earth).




george strong said...

Good thing to leave up the evil anti-white rhetoric. We must never forget blacks are enemies of our civilization.

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shermyb said...

These comments are some of the most disturbing I've ever read on this site. Way too much work to unpack the level of mental gymnastics displayed here, wow....

fanghornforest said...

This is true when examining ancestry but not quite so much for the present. I think the HBD blogger Jayman has pointed out that currently about 9% of people are interracial marriages. Not all of that is white women with black men though.

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