Monday, December 29, 2014

It's not just gamma males

Who don't understand human socio-sexuality:
In her latest Pottermore update, Rowling writes how she's often forced to crush the dreams of fans who nurse strange feelings for Hogwarts's sexiest Slytherin. "Draco remains a person of dubious morality in the seven published books, and I have often had cause to remark on how unnerved I have been by the number of girls who fell for this particular fictional character," she writes. "All this has left me in the unenviable position of pouring cold common sense on ardent readers' daydreams, as I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering and prejudice and that no, he and Harry were not destined to end up best friends."
The more people try to deny the reality of Game, the more they are forced to blind themselves in order to prevent themselves from seeing the obvious. Draco's appeal is not in spite of what Rowling sees as his shortcomings, his appeal is his what she calls his "dubious morality"; to young female readers, all of Harry's life-endangering, world-saving heroics are a boring turn-off in comparison with Draco's alluring arrogance, cruelty, and Aryan superiority complex.

When it comes to sexual attraction, women don't give a damn about saving the world or keeping the lights on. Unless you're a rock star, an actor, or a CEO, no woman wants to have sex with you because of your livelihood or your positive contributions to society.

105 comments:

insanitybytes22 said...

"When it comes to sexual attraction, women don't give a damn about saving the world or keeping the lights on.."

Why do you insist on assigning such malevolent motivations to women? Does it ever occur to you that perhaps we really were designed to save the world, one man at a time? That perhaps our attraction to the worst of the lot is actually a form of triage?

Jere said...

Jere says:

Look lady, it's not "malevolent" for women to hunger after badboys, it's just part of their programming. You perceive it to be malevolent in the context of whether it's good for society or not because, dollars to doughnuts, you are PART of society. And yes, women selecting for bad boys IS a form of triage, albeit a totally discivic one. If you mind women selecting for tatooed barbarians, then perhaps you shouldn't give women total sexual freedom, hmmm?

de ti said...

Insanity:

Oy.

For the eleventy billionth time:

No, your attraction to the worst of the lot is because they're the ones who appear to be the most masculine. A man who refuses to put up with your shit appears to be masculine even if he really isn't. Most other males actually listen to you and do what you SAY and CLAIM is attractive: be nice, be kind, be themselves. You reject them as unattractive.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Lifting the veil of ignorance, one Red Pill truth at a time.

This: "Draco's alluring arrogance, cruelty, and Aryan superiority complex"

And this: "When it comes to sexual attraction, women don't give a damn about saving the world or keeping the lights on. Unless you're a rock star, an actor, or a CEO, no woman wants to have sex with you because of your livelihood or your positive contributions to society."

Much of this must come as a shock, I'm sure, to dutiful beta males raised on romantic Churchian myths about women, chivalry, and romance.

Watch what women do, not what they say.

insanitybytes22 said...

"No, your attraction to the worst of the lot is because they're the ones who appear to be the most masculine"

Indeed, and therefore the most in need of our services. If one is biologically driven to improve the world, then one would naturally seek out the Dracos rather then the Potters.

It is the men who have been rejected and left behind who try to assign malevolent intent to what women are simply programmed to do.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"then perhaps you shouldn't give women total sexual freedom"

Let's be perfectly honest here, there are plenty of freedoms--not just sexual ones--that 'we' shouldn't have given them.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"If one is biologically driven to improve the world"

Good Lord, you're all just a bunch of world-improving special snowflake angels, right?

Women: specially chosen by God to improve the world.

Tikkun olan, bitchez!

You do know how ridiculous this all sounds, right?

Krul said...

Ah, insanitybytes22, you're a doll. Don't ever change.

If one is biologically driven to improve the world, then one would naturally seek out the Dracos rather then the Potters.

Au Contraire! If you seek the Dracos and shun the Potters, then the next generation will be all Dracos and no Potters. Hence, the world will be far worse off! To truly improve the world, you must seek the Potters and shun the Dracos. Then the next generation will be all altruistic heroes and no sadistic villains.

But then... there would be no tingles. Pity.

de ti said...

Insanity:

"Save the world"? "improve the world"?

You don't want to save badboys. You want to fuck them.

You don't want to improve the world. You want to take it for yourselves, to use for your own selfish purposes.

de ti said...

"Most in need of [your] services"? Service for what? You mean to temper and tame their masculinity? To turn them into something you no longer want?

tz said...

Again, what makes a good (wife or) husband (neocortex, reason) isn't sexy (limbic system and below). It is a motivation, and isn't really malevolent, merely bestial.

Vox didn't mention the converse, but men find 25 or under, shapely, fat only in the right places, long-haired babes. Christian wives often notice their husbands visual target acquisition system is not negated by the matrimonial sacrament.

The more interesting thing is the heart of golden rationalization hamster. They want sociopath Draco, but want to pretend or hope he really is good so they have permission to be attracted.

The whole of ordinary virtue is to get reason engaged and a priori to judge instead of rationalize, e.g. that tattooed biker going to prison - is he a good choice? Feminism is about shutting this down.

Also notice how no woman wants to save men who show too much passivity, risk avoidance, etc. "One man at a time".

Owen said...

C'mon, insanity is clearly trolling.

insanitybytes22 said...

"If you seek the Dracos and shun the Potters, then the next generation will be all Dracos and no Potters..."

How quickly you seem to forget that Dracos genes are only half of the equation.

"You don't want to save badboys. You want to fuck them"

Same thing. It's certainly not my fault that so many men perceive sex as salvation. I've advised against this on multiple occasions, but it just seems to fall on deaf ears.

insanitybytes22 said...

Also notice how no woman wants to save men who show too much passivity, risk avoidance, etc. "One man at a time".

Of course not, TZ! From a biological perspective, it would be rather unwise to offer to carry those genes into the next generation, don't you think?

tz said...

If you bed a sociopath, you aren't going to turn him into something other than a sociopath. In fact, it is rewarding that behavior. The discussion is not taking place 1-2 generations ago so the Sociopath would need either whores, rape, or marriage for sex. And after getting dumped, and maybe a STD or pregnant? You aren't going to lift a devil into heaven, but they will pull you into hell in the attempt. That has been known for thousands of years.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"They want sociopath Draco, but want to pretend or hope he really is good so they have permission to be attracted."

Bingo. By fucking sociopath Draco, they tell themselves they're doing God's work.

Krul said...

insanity - How quickly you seem to forget that Dracos genes are only half of the equation.

Ah, but which improves the world more? A generation with 50% Potter genes, or 50% Draco genes?

Remember, Draco genes are cruel and antisocial. From a biological perspective, it would be rather unwise to offer to carry those genes into the next generation, don't you think?

insanitybytes22 said...

"You aren't going to lift a devil into heaven, but they will pull you into hell in the attempt..."

A place I assure you, many women are more then wiling to visit in our quest to save the worst men the world has to offer.

Just set aside your hostility for a moment and ponder that. Women do not hate men, nor are they ruled by biological urges beyond our control, we actually love men so much, we sometimes lose our own lives trying to save one. Just as we risked our lives giving birth to all of you, while you all spend your days here reveling in the horror that is womanhood.

insanitybytes22 said...

"Remember, Draco genes are cruel and antisocial. From a biological perspective, it would be rather unwise to offer to carry those genes into the next generation, don't you think?"

No. When it comes to the continuation of the human race, those are precisely the kind of genes you want to propagate. How will we ever manage to fight our wars, to defend ourselves, to conquer new frontiers, with a bunch of passive, risk adverse men?

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"Draco genes are cruel and antisocial. From a biological perspective, it would be rather unwise to offer to carry those genes into the next generation, don't you think?"

No, just the opposite.

Entropy Maker said...

Cut to the chase. Women are attracted to sin. Their attraction cues are evil. Now Beta Bob will shout that "good men" can be alpha and use alpha traits for good. Negative. Women are attracted to evil. They despise all that is good as it is weak.

Let women have what they want. Why should the maintenance of society matter? What good is this society? Any society that cannot maintain, or police it self (and the women thereof) deserves the fate that awaits it.

I pray to my god that women get everything they ever hoped for.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Insanity Bytes,

You have aptly named yourself. Furthermore, do you know who Tyrone Biggums is? You remind me of him for some strange reason.

76a86186-641e-11e3-a4c7-000bcdcb5194 said...

I hate to break it to you, but good fighting men are rarely cruel. Some may be loners, but no more than usual.

The simple truth is that modern women have been taught to think with their gonads, not their brains. And have been marinated in a "good girl reforms bad boy" romantic comedy plot line from an early age. Pity that it's entirely fiction. More pity that the reality is "bad boy pulls formerly good girl into the mud".

The tragedy being that "good girl helps decent guy become a great hero" is both more realistic and far less damaging.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Some of you guys are really not going to like today's piece over at the Chateau:

Are Badboys The Answer To White Pathological Humanitarianism?

"Chicks who dig jerks may be the saviors of white NW European culture. While the mechanism is unclear at the moment, it is possible that the pathological altruism of whites — a once-healthy altruism pathologized by a changed environment — is such a sickly suicidal urge that, through some subtle feedback signal, it affects white women’s mate choice algorithm, increasing their desire for rule-breaking badboys with a low tolerance for kumbaya bullshit.

...

When a race and its culture are pushed to the brink, its women will begin to favor men who, in myriad ways, offer the chance of resistance against their annihilation. If women are choosing jerks and rascals, it may be that on a level beyond their conscious appreciation they are helping to birth an army of selfish pricks capable of saving them from themselves."

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/are-badboys-the-answer-to-white-pathological-humanitarianism/

Conscientia Republicae said...

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Dikaios Rik said...

For those who don't remember or haven't encountered her before, Insanity Bytes is none other than GG. Looks like she's back for more.

Entropy Maker said...

@LGF

Yes, let this corrupt fa├žade crumble. Let the beta blue suit, jack boot wearing sycophantic enforcers of the corrosive and disgusting enterprise reap the harvest they have sown.

People in America cry out for equality. The only equality is that of the grave. Let all their prayers be answered.

Mindstorm said...

Yeah, from the self-interest perspective, to piggyback on the success, no matter the cost, is THE winning strategy. If free-riding is not disadvantageous, then why not free-ride on free-riders?

Mindstorm said...

...is not personally disadvantageous...

SarahsDaughter said...

I hate to break it to you, but good fighting men are rarely cruel.

Exactly. We've watched the most natural of Alphas (irrational self confidence, chest thumping etc.) crumble into selfish drug addicted societal menaces when the fight got too real.

The tragedy being that "good girl helps decent guy become a great hero" is both more realistic and far less damaging.

Yep. The woman who can demonstrate self control and bends her attraction triggers to that which the God she serves declares to be honorable (or accepts assistance in this from wise council), will find her loyalty, faith, and perseverance blessed beyond belief as that man becomes the most honorable of men on whom civilization relies and one who is respected by other giants of men.

Defending women's most base and animal desires and slyly calling it a service to the greater good is a sign of someone who is either insane and/or evil.

Dexter said...

I'm going to save the world by doing exactly what I want. Probably it will involve lots of video games and free porn.

Ghost said...

Insanity thinks she can change the world one man at a time. One man at a time. She changes them into something else, then she goes to the next one to change him into something else. Then the next one.

If you were changing them into something better, dummy, you wouldn't be so quick to jump right back into the fire for the next bad boy. You change them into something you are no longer attracted to (and most likely less attractive to other females as well) and then ditch them for your next rescue puppy.

And you don't see how a sane person would view that as malicious? That's like buying the Mona Lisa, shitting on it, then putting it back on the market while you move on to a Picasso. No one wants your shit covered art. You've ruined it for everyone else. You didn't save it for the poop art aficionado. You ruined it. And you'll do the same to the Picasso. One man at a time.

AP L said...

insanitybytes22: "Indeed, and therefore the most in need of our services."

Well no. That guy is waist high in female services (snigger). It's the Beta's that don't understand women that are in need.

Cataline Sergius said...

I'm going to be lazy here and just cut and paste something I already wrote:

Look, I’m not a Harry Potter fan. I was way too old when that trend trended. However like any other sentient lifeform who was alive on Sol Three between 1997 and 2009, I was forced to become aware of it.

Having children of the right age forced me to become more aware of it, than I ever wanted to be.

On the face of it Harry Potter is really nothing more than good old fashioned toff school fiction. When Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was published, it was literally one hundred years out of date.

It followed to a to the British imperial inche every stereotype of the genre.

The heroes were a poor boy, an orphan and a nose in the book nerd ( I believe the period term was swot). The kindly headmaster, the sympathetic teacher, the cruel instructor...

...and of course the school bully.


J.K. Rowling: America’s favorite Scottish Welfare Mom, recently was disturbed enough about her fan’s attraction for Draco to write:

"Draco remains a person of dubious morality in the seven published books, and I have often had cause to remark on how unnerved I have been by the number of girls who fell for this particular fictional character," she writes. "All this has left me in the unenviable position of pouring cold common sense on ardent readers' daydreams, as I told them, rather severely, that Draco was not concealing a heart of gold under all that sneering and prejudice and that no, he and Harry were not destined to end up best friends."

Of course there is no “heart of gold,” to be uncovered. The girls know that, its why they are attracted to him in the first fucking place. They don’t want to turn him around. They don’t want to improve him in anyway. They want him to be just what he is.

An Alpha.

Oh, he’s a cowardly Alpha. No question about that but courage is all that important as an Alpha trait. In fact it’s a rather poor survival trait.

Malfoy as presented is rather high on the Dark Triad. Strongly narcissistic from childhood on. He also had a clear penchant for machiavellianism. He was not however a psychopath but rather his father’s emotional abuse resulted in a high degree of high functioning sociopathological behavior, his only real weak leg on the Dark Triad.

Rowling seems to think her fans want to reform poor little rich boy, Draco.

They don’t.

Malfoy can gather resources, whether or not those resources wish to be gathered by him. He is a natural leader, (see Crab and Goyle) . No weak or submissive body language, (unlike Ron). And while a coward, Draco is willing to take risks and he appears to have no fear of failure. He doesn’t seek approval, even from Snape. Very competitive, he effortlessly dominates House Slytherin. The most ambitious house at Hogwarts and he appears to have had it under his heel from a very young age.

Malfoy projects an almost unnatural confidence. Good looks and money are just icing on the cake.

Clearly and obviously Rowling, Mary Janed herself into the story. Which is the only reason there will never be Harry Potter sequel called; Hermione Granger and the Suspiciously Blonde Baby.

Dug said...

Remember, ladies: when you're shopping for the right pair of dollar-store sunglasses that will most effectively hide the latest of your black eyes, you're /saving the world/ with your relationship choices! Selflessness is right in your DNA.

And when your latest boyfriend is sizing up your teenage daughter (raised by you as a single mother), be glad. Why, she's getting the opportunity to administer a little triage, that's all!

JCclimber said...

Sometimes it does seem like there is a lot of disgust with women around here.

For all of you displaying such disdain, let me remind you that women and men are a complementary team. Men want the slutty easy lay who is hot. But know that they must choose the attractive woman who is chaste to rear the best of children. So men with Godly influence choose the better mothers for their children.

Women want the bad boy who is sociopathic because he displays confidence and charm fertility. But they know that a solid, confident man who will stick around to support a family is better for their offspring to reach adulthood. Godly women choose the man who will be the better fathers.

But each of our sinful natures inclines us toward the counterfeit best mate. Plenty of men give in to their baser natures, thinking that later they can turn aside from the sluts and marry a chaste woman without suffering any consequences. And women do the same thing. And the modern culture supports this temptation from every angle, from childhood through old age.

Sean Carnegie said...

@Conscientia Republicae

Tyrone Biggums? Well done, sir. I laughed.

Anthony Gillis said...

insanitybytes22: Smells like troll, and yet... the hundred thousandth example of how difficult it has become to tell earnest intent from trolling and parody in the ever more loony blue pill world.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Sean,

You, sir are a scholar and a gentleman.

JCclimber said...

I believe the amount of disgust/disdain is in direct proportion to the height of pedestalization that you had before the red pill.

Ken said...

JCclimber:
Good point. My pedestal was pretty high, pre-red pill. And now that I'm in the midst, disgust/disdain is relatively high, but I'm hopeful that there will come a day when, by the grace of God, I can reach a happy medium.

lostsailor32 said...

insanitybytes22: "Indeed, and therefore the most in need of our services."

I'm sure they're most in need of your servicing. Keep telling yourself that your servicing them is saving the world. Then come back once you've aged out of the pool and your servicing is no longer required and let us know how all that world-saving went. It should be interesting...

Entropy Maker said...

@ JC

"Men want the slutty easy lay who is hot."

You must be a woman, your projection is showing.

Do you really mean to come here to a place where people talk about unvarnished truths and spasm out that fecal calcification? Men want a virgin who turns into their slut for life. Me want 16 wives 32 wives, etc, who are a slut for him and him only.

You must be a woman, nothing else makes sense.

Entropy Maker said...

@JC,

Perhaps you are not a woman, but instead a cuckold fetishist who wished his wife was a slut who slept with many other men.

Retrenched said...

I think that's why marriages in the past were either arranged or not allowed without the father's blessing. The wise men understood that the young people (especially young women) would choose their mates poorly if they just "followed their hearts", so to speak.

Stickwick Stapers said...

Unless you're a rock star, an actor, or a CEO, no woman wants to have sex with you because of your livelihood or your positive contributions to society.

Or a Navy SEAL.

Entropy, JCclimber is a man, as you are no doubt aware, and he is generally well-respected at VP, your attempts to disqualify him notwithstanding. His observations here are both insightful and wise. Your comments, on the other hand, are indicative of someone who is very bitter and disillusioned.

Entropy Maker said...

@Stickwick

"His observations here are both insightful and wise"

So what you are telling me is that you want "the slutty easy lay who is hot."?

You want a wife who has slept with lots of other men, may have STD's, and cannot be trusted?

IS that the wise and insightful advice?

Defend what he said before you accuse me of disqualification.

Dago said...

"Women do not hate men, nor are they ruled by biological urges beyond our control
Bwahahhahahahahahahhahah...hehe hehe {wheeze} hah...thanks. I needed that. Hilarious. You should do stand up.

Entropy Maker said...

" Your comments, on the other hand, are indicative of someone who is very bitter and disillusioned."

Now who is trying to disqualify?

Let us both quit with the disqualification. JC asserts that most men want sluts. I assert most men want virgin who turn into personal sluts for them selves only.

Real life and the postings on most man o sphere boards prove me right.

Dug said...

So what you are telling me is that you want "the slutty easy lay who is hot."?

Oh boy.

You want a wife who has slept with lots of other men, may have STD's, and cannot be trusted?

He likely meant easier for the man in question, not for everyone. If JC says otherwise, I'll stand corrected. But no, I'm pretty sure JC wasn't saying that men love girls who get gangbanged on a regular basis.

I disagree with JC's impression of this thread, but c'mon.

SirThermite said...

@Entropy

Stickwick is a woman, as anyone who's been here for any length of time knows. And it sounds like you're being willfully obtuse. JC already addressed how a lot of men will chase sluts for easy sex while hoping to eventually land a chaste girl for a wife when they're ready to settle down. If men are *only* looking for chaste wives then the bar and club scenes would be a lot different, and women would be dressing more chastely too.

Entropy Maker said...

@Sirthermite

Thanks for arguing genuinely. Allow me to address your points in order.

1."Stickwick is a woman, as anyone who's been here for any length of time knows"
He/she/it still made inane comments, he she it needs to defend them

2. "If men are *only* looking for chaste wives then the bar and club scenes would be a lot different, and women would be dressing more chastely too."

Who forces women to go to bars and slut around? Are they being forced? If the answer to these questions is no, then they choose to do it.

Following that, if there were no loose women at bars would men show up? All data says no.

Not being willfully obtuse. Awaiting your response.

luagha said...

"The tragedy being that "good girl helps decent guy become a great hero" is both more realistic and far less damaging. "

Strangely enough, that was the plot of the first Thor movie.

As for Harry Potter, Cataline Sergius gives a great discussion of the strengths of the book. By bringing forwards the British toff school fiction to the modern day with magic, she gives herself a well-tread rut to explore where most common readers will only have the faintest echoes they might have picked up in other works.

I would add that Malfoy successfully repairs that teleportation cabinet which was thought to be a near-impossible task. He's also capable of highly technical tasks when he puts his mind to it. He is broader than his caricature.

On the Potter side, at least Potter is an active hero.

tonsplace said...

Most of the effective combat soldiers I have worked with are indifferent to ideas like cruelty. They are whatever is most effective at the time. A few fight in damn near blind rages but .most are cold and methodical. This becomes more true as his responsibilities increase.

And from what I can tell, cops, firemen and SOCOM guys don't have much problems getting female attention. Many are blue pill so fumble at it but chicks seem to dig those jobs. Back in the day when Black Water was the most evil outfit in the world(not true at any level I witnessed) telling chicks you worked for Black Water got their interests up, including the hippie chicks.

As always, the beta worship is strong here but most things get done by alphas, then betas keep them going.

Jack Amok said...

A man who refuses to put up with your shit appears to be masculine ....

What she's thinkng is, If a guy will let a 5'3", 120lb woman push him around, how fast will he fold if a 6'3" 240lb man shows up demanding something? Or if he's afraid to ask little ol' her for what he wants ("fix me a sandwich woman, then get naked") how is he ever going to ask his scary boss for a raise or a promotion?



Entropy Maker said...

@Ton

Explain beta worship. Is telling the truth beta? Is treating other men (not women) who respect you with respect beta? Is working together towards common goals beta

Trust said...

Women like insanity literally created the manosphere. Bastards get treated with sex, good men with neglect, then she wonders why men come here to learn to emulate bastards and why bastards don't change.

It's comical

Corvinus said...

JCclimber sounds like a Churchian Gamma. They're the ones who tend to use the word "Godly".

What he(?) doesn't get is the idea of moderation. A man needs to have some badboy spice in him, otherwise he won't be able to support his wife and kids (due to his inability to garner respect from other men in business) and keep his wife satisfied. That stupid adage, "happy wife happy life" only makes sense if one remembers that badboy spice is the key to a "happy wife".

And while men want a virgin, if his wife acts like Mrs. Puritan Massachusetts 1654 once she has him tied down in wedlock, he's gonna get unhappy quite quickly. Being a boring dutiful (sorry, "Godly") Churchian husband -- or a puritanical wife, for that matter -- is not the way to go, and never has been.

Entropy Maker said...

@Corvinus

You and I are in agreement on this.

Dat said...

When the serpent told THE LIE in the garden, "you shall be as God", Adam heard a promise of power and control, and men have been striving for that ever since. Eve heard, "You can be a savior/messiah" and women have been trying to be that ever since.

Entropy Maker said...

@DAT

You are empirically incorrect.

1 Timothy 2:14

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

cailcorishev said...

Explain beta worship. Is telling the truth beta?

See Vox's explanation of terms at the link "The Hierarchy" at the top of the site. Keep in mind that in much of the manosphere, people only use two divisions, so for many people "alpha" includes Vox's Alpha and Sigma while "beta" means everyone else.

Jack Amok said...

I believe the amount of disgust/disdain is in direct proportion to the height of pedestalization that you had before the red pill.

Perhaps also in inverse relationship to the man's ability to compete in the red-pill world as well. Red-pill crushes the average Gammas hopes utterly, but the typical Alpha or higher Beta is generally okay with it.

As always, the beta worship is strong here but most things get done by alphas, then betas keep them going.

In a healthy society, most things get done by Betas because there's vastly more of them. There simply aren't enough Alphas to make society work.. What Alphas in productive societies do is create situations where Betas can be rewarded, thus earning the loyalty of the Betas and encouraging them to work hard.

Ah, but you're probably talking about our current society, which isn't quite as functional as the one we used to have. Yeah, at the moment, Beta contribution is tapering off because they're noticing their rewards have been dropping steadily. Funny how that works.

1sexistpig2another said...

Does it ever occur to you that perhaps we really were designed to save the world, one man at a time?

Do you even realize the theological implications you have made here?

If one is biologically driven to improve the world...

Never mind.

Cyril said...

Dat = Cyril

JCclimber said...

There are some pretty funny reading comprehension fails on display here. Or perhaps it is the whole "refusing to see the uncomfortable truth" in play...

I'm glad you despise the whole churchian way, Corvinus, and I hope you're working as hard and as strategically as I and many of my friends are to purge any traces of it from our church. and make sure it stays purged.

Iowahine said...

Yes, Eve was deceived and ate, then offered to her husband - who was with her - and who also ate. So did Adam do wrong?

cailcorishev said...

Men want the slutty easy lay who is hot.

No. A man wants a good girl who will be slutty with him. And that's quite possible. I'd even say it's the normal condition, when a woman is bonded to a dominant-enough man and doesn't have a bunch of sexual hangups from her past. A woman doesn't need to be sexually experienced to be slutty for Her Man and satisfy him; the idea that a virgin is likely to be boring in bed is ridiculous. And if she's bonded to him and happy about it, she won't be out shaking her hips at other guys, because serial MONOgamy. (And a slut can turn cold and boring as fast as anyone when the tingles are gone.)

I'm not denying that there are men at bars every night hoping to get lucky, and that they'll take home a slut if they get a chance. Men really, really, really want sex. But even the guy who's having a one-night-stand with a girl he just met that evening, generally, would prefer to find out that she doesn't normally do that sort of thing, but was just out with friends and bowled over by his charm -- she's actually a good girl and he's not #4 that week. In other words, he might prefer sex with a slut to no sex at all, but he'd prefer sex with a good girl even more.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Iowahine, yes Adam did wrong, but he wasn't deceived. He knew exactly what he was doing. That's the difference between men and women. We both do wrong, but only one sex knows it's wrong while we are doing it.

Entropy Maker said...

@ Iowa

Clearly you are being disingenuous, but here is the answer anyway, yes Adam di do wrong.

Genesis 3:17

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

His sin was listening to his wife.....

Markku said...

So did Adam do wrong?

Yes:

Rom 5:14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

Paul's argument seems to be that Eve's transgression was of a different nature than Adam's. Adam's was a conscious and deliberate choice. Eve's was stupidity. So, Adam was slapped with the responsibility of being the head of the now-dysfunctional family unit, and having to answer for not just his own crimes, but his wife's and children's too.

Entropy Maker said...

@Cail

JC has been dancing around saying "reading comprehension fail" and another excuses to get out of he/she/it (s) previous statement.

Stickwick Stapers said...

Entropy,

You responded to JC by calling him a woman, comparing his comments to sh*t, and then accusing him of being a cuckold. My initial analysis of you was accurate. And you're the last person to demand anything of anyone here.

Markku said...

To editorialise, that was a pretty bad deal for the man even WITHOUT all the modern "complications". These days, it just seems patently insane to willingly step into it.

Entropy Maker said...

@Stick

Your analysis of my response to JC failed to answer any of the question I raised or invalidate my points.

Markku said...

Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, Damn straight. And you may want to consider chopping off your penis.

Well, I may have paraphrased a bit. But only a bit.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Entropy,

You need to take the social Asperger's test and report back to us when you get the results.

cailcorishev said...

EM, I can read, and I'm pretty sure JCclimber and I can manage without your kibitzing.

tonsplace said...

Elevating betas above their station and contributions is beta worshipping.

Alphas drive the world for both good and bad. Betas are the supporting role, both the good and the bad.

Jack Amok filled out my thinking and a healthy people have a mix of betas and alphas, like he mentioned, both respected for what they are, the good and the bad. Every man but Christ is a mixed bag of good and bad.

Iowahine said...

Entropy, Sorry. I rushed and did not state my question clearly - how did he do wrong, rather than did he. You understood; thanks. Thank you, too, Markku. I think Satan's nuance - saying what God really meant by forbidding the fruit - is interesting, and perhaps an insight into what makes Eve/Women tick (why he was able to dupe her). I take it as we women being susceptible to wanting to be something we cannot be - as God - (not being satisfied) and, part of her punishment reveals our desire for that which we cannot attain - mastery over her husband/men (yet her desire is for her husband but he will rule over her). Feminism is feeds into our weakness when not guided by God or a Godly man. Thoughts?

Doom said...

Choose as you wish, Vox. For me? Even as a reformed... evil doer... I know the score. The more they don't believe, the easier they are to fall right in line. The more they believe in the ideal, the easier it is to create the real right around them. I don't care about some authoress, or her notions. I know what she dreams, and thinks, when all alone in the dark with her wants, hungers, and needs. She hates what she can't control, own, or master, and is therefore excessively prone to it.

Alphas and sigmas don't get their way because of anything other than they are not afraid of what terrifies women, neither that which lies between their ears nor thighs.

They should be afraid. A right fear brings a certain respect, and then leads to a right way to manage that. Surrender, but to the right one. The more they fight it, the easier they are as targets of opportunity. For the secular, there is little hope. Not when they think they can win the game, Game, any game, themselves. Yum!

1sexistpig2another said...

Women do not hate men, nor are they ruled by biological urges beyond our control, we actually love men so much, we sometimes lose our own lives trying to save one.

Thus speaketh the hamster.

There may be some genuine Spirit filled women trying to save lost souls in men, but they are not bedding down with them in the attempt to do so. Nor do they marry them.

Just as we risked our lives giving birth to all of you, while you all spend your days here reveling in the horror that is womanhood.

No, if you risked your lives. it was for your children and not for other men. The horror you speak of is what has become of Western women, not womanhood. Western women are not very feminine or womanly as it used to be understood.

Markku said...

You didn't risk your lives, because we men invented Western medicine that made it all safe. You did bitch while we were at it, though, so there's that.

Corvinus said...

There are some pretty funny reading comprehension fails on display here. Or perhaps it is the whole "refusing to see the uncomfortable truth" in play...

I'm glad you despise the whole churchian way, Corvinus, and I hope you're working as hard and as strategically as I and many of my friends are to purge any traces of it from our church. and make sure it stays purged.


@JCclimber
I'm hardly failing in my reading comprehension. I understand exactly what you're trying to say.

You're claiming that the inclination of women for badboys, and of men for sexually open women, is in itself evil. It is not. If you're hoping for ethereal "Godly" men to choose sexually uptight women, and for ethereal "Godly" women to choose boring beta males, you'll be hoping until hell freezes over. That's not what people respond to. And it's not because people are inclined to evil, but rather because people are inclined to masculine men and feminine women.

The evil and sin problem comes in different ways for each sex. On the part of women, it's when they give their sexual favors for free to every man who buys them a drink. There's your slut. But men actually want a woman who will give him her sexual favors to him and only him. Hence the basis of marriage, and the desire of men for virgins. On the part of men, it's when sin drives women to be attracted to deadbeats who beat them up and walk out on them and their kids. That's the male version of a slut.

Again, moderation. "Badboys" and "sluts" with Christian morals are what's needed. Not what your idea of "Godly" men and "Godly" women is.

JCclimber said...

"But they know that a solid, confident man who will stick around to support a family is better for their offspring to reach adulthood. Godly women choose the man who will be the better fathers." So, you're saying that a strong confident man who is faithful and will follow the biblical instruction to care for their wives and raise up the children in the way they should go, are NOT attractive to women who have submitted to God's will?
So Nate, or perhaps Vox, or Stickwick's husband.....none of these strong confident men who have stuck with and supported their wives are attractive to their wives?
I feel for you, brother.

Also, I believe you don't realize that "chaste" is not a synonym for "frigid".
"Men want the slutty easy lay who is hot. But know that they must choose the attractive woman who is chaste to rear the best of children. So men with Godly influence choose the better mothers for their children."

Okay, I'm only speaking from personal experience here, but when I became Christian, the slutty easy lays, even when hot, lost much of their attraction for me. Instead, the women who were hot or at least attractive who were chaste (not slutty and easy) became much more interesting to me, not because I enjoyed having to work a little harder to get laid, but because I knew their "N" would be much, much lower than mine, or even zero, and they would be able to bond with me emotionally, and be a much better mother to my children.

YMMV. But my work break is ending and this is my last chance to drop by Alpha Game until tomorrow sometime. And yes, I will stand by my opinion "the inclination of women for badboys, and of men for sexually open women, is in itself evil", because it is a perversion of one of God's greatest gifts given in the garden of Eden, into a pagan worship of flesh. Most of our natural inclinations are a perversion of the original motivators, it's part and parcel of being born with a sinful nature. Hence the need to die to self daily.

New Hombre said...

"When it comes to sexual attraction, women don't give a damn about saving the world or keeping the lights on. Unless you're a rock star, an actor, or a CEO, no woman wants to have sex with you because of your livelihood or your positive contributions to society."

This is a hard truth for 99.9% of men because we (myself included) do not fall into these categories.

Anthony Gillis said...

@TZ "They want sociopath Draco, but want to pretend or hope he really is good so they have permission to be attracted."

With one swift cut, you shiv the hamster and open it up for autopsy. Fine work, that.

insanitybytes22 said...

"They want sociopath Draco, but want to pretend or hope he really is good so they have permission to be attracted."

Why in the world would women need permission to be attracted? Attraction is attraction and I certainly see no reason why anyone should apologize for it.

Also Vox, I have never tried to defend "all women against all implied or perceived criticism." You lie. Frequently. Especially to yourself.

SirThermite said...

If you IB22 truly thought that "attraction is attraction" and "there's absolutely no need to apologize for it" her first comment wouldn't have been an attempt to defend it with an absurd justification about saving the world one man at a time...and then repeating it twice more.

tz said...

@AG, given IB22's persistence, it appears to have been a vivisection.
Some Rationamsters die hard, sometimes after eating nearly the entire brain, hence the airhead / val [valley girl] mentality - or lack thereof. E.g. not being to understand "act on" when not specifically prefixed to "attraction".

The road to hell is a Socio-path.

Patrikbc said...

Corgi us - JCclimber sounds like a Churchian Gamma. They're the ones who tend to use the word "Godly".

What he(?) doesn't get is the idea of moderation. A man needs to have some badboy spice in him.

And what kind of man says things like " A man needs to have some bad boy spice in him"? ironic how queer that came out. Haha

Patrikbc said...

Lol autocomplete

tz said...

Niven's Kzinti had non-sentient females. The Kzinti were cat-like, but although I always pictured tigers, not cougars.

But the behavior of female Kzinti would likely be identical to the same human gender, even without the influence of the puppeteers.

tz said...

@markku - I think our Lord was aiming a few inches lower given the word he used.
And I thought you were more familiar with UNIX.

Conscientia Republicae said...

IB22 is Stevie Nicks' cracked out sister in real life.

SirThermite said...

@Entropy

"Who forces women to go to bars and slut around? Are they being forced? If the answer to these questions is no, then they choose to do it. Following that, if there were no loose women at bars would men show up? All data says no....I await your response."

Not sure what I'm supposed to be responding to here? It takes two to tango? I never claimed that men have forced women to go to bars/clubs and dress/act like sluts/whores. But clearly there are men responding favorably, including alphas, otherwise women wouldn't be making such efforts. Especially here in the Midwest where they halfway freeze to death going out clubbing in the winter. This would indicate your statement that "Men want a virgin who turns into their slut for life" is an over-simplification, or at least not airtight enough for bludgeoning your fellow commentators like an inflatable mallet.

You are certainly correct that nearly all men want to be the first to win the physical affections of a woman (or women) who haven't given it away to any other Tom, Dick, or Harry, especially when it comes to picking a wife. Most men also prefer prime rib and luxury sedans, but that doesn't stop us from chasing after a cheeseburger or a ride on the public bus on a rainy day, if the better option is currently unavailable, unaffordable, or inexpedient. There's always time to get something better later.

Not saying this to justify men chasing sluts, I'm just acknowledging that it happens, and happens enough to influence some female behaviors. The fact that a poor, starving man will shoplift or looks for a dumpster doesn't make such behaviors enviable.

It should be noted that occasionally these women don't want anything more than an ONS either, a temporary thrill, although obviously that's a much more typical male attitude. The idea of women scoring "conquests," "notches on their belt," or even "getting lucky" like a man is laughable on its face. As pointed out by others, women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of commitment. A women who brags about the number of times she's gotton laid is only slightly less absurd than a man who brags about how many women he's asked to marry him.

betweenhammerandanvil said...

Strangely enough, that was the plot of the first Thor movie.

Nonetheless, chicks seem to dig the dude's malevolent, hyper-Machiavellian adopted brother more, even (especially?) when he's calling the series' resident grrrl-power icon a cunt (albeit via an archaic synonym).

SirThermite said...

Getting back on Vox's actual post, I don't think most women understand the anger that former blue-pill men such as myself have experienced upon coming to the realization that most women don't just prefer men who can look down on them, "put them in their place," treat them unfairly, or even abuse them...but they also naturally pity, despise, and/or are creeped-out by the sensitive, caring, fair, egalitarian"nice guys" we've been told we're supposed to be.

The best reverse analogy I can think of is if women were told for the last 40 years by men (fathers, brothers, teachers, pastors, exes, male friends, etc.) that most of the men worth having are attracted women with shaved heads. That only shallow and mentally unstable men like women with hair,and especially with long hair.

Of course that's a bad analogy because
A) females haven't been brainwashed from a young age to feeling shame over the feminine power that comes from long hair, certainly not to the same level that males have been shamed for the power of their masculinity.
and
B) A man loses-out on a lot more than just the attraction of the opposite sex when he fails to cultivate masculinity. The respect he gets from his boss, his male peers, and any subordinates he might have is likely to be lower....not to mention his respect for himself. His level of materialistic success and standard of living is likely to be lower too.

Bill Solomon said...

@insanity Wow, you do realize that Draco in the series is a sniveling little twat who gets owned by everybody in the entire damn character universe. How precisely does a character such as Draco contribute anything? So, are you trying to say that weak = strong, or are you trying to say that tru lesbian love is the only way to save the universe? Or is it just that you have no idea what your talking about?

Bill Solomon said...

I mean if we were talking Voldemort genes that's another story, but Draco, nah.

Bill Solomon said...

Or maybe if we made Draco a closet vampire that sarcastically hunts teenage mudbloods on the side... part of the problem is that hermione is such a mary sue, that it pretty much screws up any dimension of reality the story might have. Draco is essentially described in the way a teen age girl might write about some guy shes attracted to in her diary, i.e. only negative qualities.

Markku said...

Tz, yeah, I mixed part of it up with Paul's sarcastic exhortation to Judaizers, about how they could do circumcision even better.

JCclimber said...

took me visiting back here on my lunch break this next day to realize that I was responding to a entropy troll.

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