Tuesday, September 30, 2014

"Rape harder"

Black knights are taking the fight to the rape fantasists on campus:
College men accused of date rape are fighting back with ethically dubious techniques including hacking, outing their attackers, and videotaping their sexual encounters, in addition to bringing an increasing number of successful law suits to vindicate themselves, says public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

Last week, at the University of Chicago, individuals allegedly trying to keep “the Hyde Park community safe from people who publicly accuse other people of committing varying levels of gender-based violence without any proof whatsoever…” hacked into a website of the school’s student organization and posted the name and photo of an alleged rape survivor as well as this threat: “Hopefully the class of 2018 is paying attention because otherwise the UChicago Electronic Army is going to have to rape harder.”

....As colleges are pressured to be more aggressive in finding students guilty of date rape, it appears that a few male students are beginning to follow the advice on various web sites to surreptitiously videotape their sexual encounters to be able to prove afterwards, if necessary, that the act was consensual.

For example, four students at Hofstra University were accused of gang raping a fellow student, but were freed when a cell phone video indicated that the sexual encounter was consensual.

Likewise, a San Francisco lawyer, charged with raping three women, had the charges regarding two women dismissed because he had videotaped those encounters, and another man was found not guilty of an alleged gang rape after a Cook County, Illinois, jury was shown a videotape arguably showing some signs of consent as pointed out by an expert witness.
If you're a male college student, then you'd damned well better be sure that you've got everything on video, because these days that's the only way you're going to be able to prove that you weren't raping her, otherwise they will absolutely kick you out of school and quite possibly try to see you charged in criminal court on nothing more than her word.

Most college women lie about rape because they are are encouraged to do so. Almost all the sob stories you will hear from them are nothing but attention-seeking fiction. And there is nothing "ethically dubious" about self-defense.

46 comments:

Glen Filthie said...

What are the legalities of that, though? I know that if you are taping conversations you have to let the person you are talking to know first.

My scholarly position on this is that if you don't know the lady well enough to trust her - don't f*** her...

Rigel Kent said...

The legalities vary from state to state. There are 38 states where you may record something as long as you are a party to it, even without the other person's knowledge or consent. But even where that's not the case, illegally recording someone is a civil offense, not a criminal one.

Crowhill said...

The legal issues re: these self-defense tapes will be interesting, but whether it's deemed legal or not, you know there's going to be a lot of drama about it. When the video proves that the sex was consensual, the video itself will be deemed rape.

Unknown said...

The legalities of recording conversations is widely misunderstood. In many states, State law provides the you acquire consent before recording a phone conversation. Also, recordings that cannot be used for a criminal prosecution by the state, may be accepted as exculpatory evidence. In civil cases, recordings are generally accepted.
If you think about it, you know there cannot be a blanket rule against recording private conversations because we just went through this with the Donald Sterling which ahd big consequences for his owner ship of a multi-million dollar franchise, the Lakers.
Notice also, that the article quoted refers to recording as being "ethically dubious, not "legally dubious".

Vox said...

What are the legalities of that, though?

Irrelevant. The penalties are considerably less than they are for rape.

Owen said...

I think Project Veritas has a list of what is legal in each state, regarding recording. That said, I’d rather break a privacy/wiretapping law than go to jail for rape.

Decades ago, I refused to believe in “street cred.” The idea that being arrested and in jail was a high status marker was so foreign to me that I shrugged it off as B/S until it became too obvious to ignore.

I wonder if white girls with no “story of strife” are picking rape to be their “victim cred” and gain some status in a culture that places special recognition of “victims.”

Owen said...

Also, I think we now see where the 1 in 4/5 girls are raped in college comes from: the fevered imaginations of women who had sex they later regretted.

My sons are effed.

Cataline Sergius said...

What are the legalities of that, though?.

What legalities? California has just reversed the burden of proof for accusations of rape. It probably won't stand up to court review but that will take a while. In the mean time, the campus witch hunts are indeed and truly on.

Your choices as a California college male.

1. Celibacy.

2. Only have sex with Nevada prostitutes and always get a receipt.

3. Publicly and loudly convert to Shia Islam. Then only have sex with girls under a al-Mutʿah marriage contract, specifying a duration of four hours. And a dowry consisting of a box of Tic-Tacs, plus a promise to send a text.

3.b. Scream Islamaphobia at the top of your lungs if there is even a hint of trouble

4. Go to college in another state or better still another country. Spain used to be nice but I don't know anymore.

I expect recordings to be outlawed as admissible evidence in California, the first time one is used to completely exonerate a falsely accused rapist. Bank on it.

The GOP is utterly useless. They are so completely media neutered that they can't even consider taking up a real issue. There is no war on women. There is definitely a war on men. And the Republican party is so castrated, it won't even consider mentioning it.

tonsplace said...

so... its ethically dubious to fight back and fight back hard, but the way colleges and women operate isn't?

Owen said...

I expect recordings to be outlawed as admissible evidence in California, the first time one is used to completely exonerate a falsely accused rapist. Bank on it.

I suspect you're right.

But remember, most of the damage they plan to do is in the college kangaroo courts. Actual courts have evidence rules and due process. I think that's where those tapes will be forbidden.

cailcorishev said...

Remember the guy who went down on his date against a building, while people watched and took pictures and she smiled? Apparently a grand jury decided not to indict him, surely thanks to the pictures that showed she was enjoying it. (On the other hand, she probably wouldn't have charged him with regret rape if she hadn't felt shamed by the pictures going viral.)

So in that case, the visual evidence quite possibly saved the guy. But the legal process still went as far as the grand jury, and the article I found about it said the guy "cooperated with police." I don't know if he was arrested, but I assume that means he was interrogated, possibly fingerprinted or required to undergo tests. He's in the police computers now, even if he doesn't have a record. The university also says it will do its own investigation, so I'm sure there are people in the administration who will do their best to find a way to punish him or harass him out of the school.

Video evidence is certainly better than nothing, but it's better to treat drunk college girls the way you'd treat a dog that's foaming at the mouth: too dangerous to go near. I expect that at some point an advocate of some sort will argue that by videotaping his conquests, a guy has demonstrated that he expected to be accused, and where there's smoke there's fire.

Unknown said...

".... white girls with no “story of strife” are picking rape to be their “victim cred” and gain some status in a culture that places special recognition of “victims..."

It is a Bingo! That and regret/embarrassment----"How could I have f*cked that really geeky guy?? The only way is he took advantage when he saw me drink that fifth Margarita!"

I saw the former start happening about 15 years ago when I was engaged in a LTR with a semi-feminist. Her gal-pals regaled each other with wicked tales of "sexual assault" or "rape" and each took great pride in serving as a 'brave, recovering victim", to the point where my SO was very disappointed she couldn't be a part of that inner circle of "righteous victims" since all her past dalliances were consensual! Disgusting!

Oh, Cail, we're all in police computers now, so that's not a concern, but being branded a sex offender is for life, even if in a civil, scholarly context.

sigbouncer said...

One really has to get to the root of this in the legal system and hope to reform these automatic measures or bills that have passed. Which allow for automatic 8-10 year sentences in many states for a sexual assault conviction. Then one might see more of the innocently accused willing to fight back. But as it stands, given the opportunity of a 30-60 day jail sentence along with a class c felony conviction...versus an automatic 8-10 year prison sentence to be determined by an unknown jury. Many individuals will opt out for the lesser sentence as opposed to risking losing 8-10 years of their lives. Especially if they are reliant on court appointed attorneys to defend them. As we are very likely talking a minimum of $10,000 up front to an attorney to handle one of these cases.

So these automatic sentencing guidelines that were recently passed in the last 10-15 years as measured bills need to be brought up again and overturned. Otherwise my guess is that a high percentage of those accused in questionable cases will simply roll over for the DA and take the 30-60 days in jails and the offender label in lieu of 8-10 years in prison.

de ti said...

In my state, unauthorized recording, or "eavesdropping", is a misdemeanor. Less than a year in jail. As a practical matter, anyone who gets prosecuted for this would do no time. Fine and community service.

Which would you rather have to defend: (1) a charge for unauthorized recording that you can most likely plead down to disorderly conduct with a measly fine and slap on the wrist? Or (2) an aggravated sexual assault charge where the evidence is your word against hers, the odds of conviction are overwhelmingly against you, you are risking hard time, will probably get raped (for real) in prison, and lifetime sex offender registration?

Trust said...

Evil people are really good at framing things. Anyone who opposes the removal of due process and the need for reasonable doubt will be accused of trying to legalize rape.

That doesn't excuse looking the other way, but we have a pretty gullible voting population here, and a government that wants as much power as possible under the guise of liberty. And those two things are a dangerous combination

Trust said...

@ My scholarly position on this is that if you don't know the lady well enough to trust her - don't f*** her...
_____

When this sound advice is dispensed to women, it's called blaming the victim.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

You know that even with video evidence, most campus anti-rape zealots will still call you a rapist and get you kicked off campus.

Your best bet is to bang girls who aren't going to college and spurn any "wyman" on campus.

de ti said...

The tactic in "higher ed" is to switch around the procedures, standards of proof and burdens of proof. Since it's not a criminal proceeding per se, the institution can use lower proof standards and burdens, and only the minimum required "due process". The "accused" can be forced to answer questions, and perhaps even give samples of blood, hair, urine and semen, and fingerprints, lest he be deemed "uncooperative". Lack of cooperation will be deemed an admission of guilt and an offense against the institution in and of itself. By itself, "lack of cooperation" will be deemed worthy of discipline. He has no right to confront the accuser.

There will be relaxed evidence rules. Standard of proof is "preponderance of the evidence", meaning 50% plus one. In this standard, it's all about credibility, and hearing officers and institution administrators steeped in feminism and political correctness and other twisted worldviews rule the day. The accuser will be believed at all costs over the accused, because anything that opposes such worldviews is simply not credible. The burden of proof will be on the accused to prove a negative -- that he did NOT sexually assault the accuser.

de ti said...

Incidentally, this lowering of burdens and standards, and burden-shifting, can be done because the maximum "punishment" or "discipline" is dismissal from the institution -- getting expelled from the school. There's no deprivation of liberty or property. The school can't fine you or imprison you. The worst it can do is kick you out and tell you not to come back.

Owen said...

deti,
As it's been said, "Rape is too serious to be left to the criminal court system."

Up is down.

Ghost said...

I wrote this poem for my single friends:
Of you have a one night stand with someone name unknown
Be sure to get your camera out and store that in your phone
For if one day she turns around and says that it was "RAPE!!"
You can show the judge she said, "yes, yes, FUCK YES!" on tape.

Unknown said...

"Incidentally, this lowering of burdens and standards, and burden-shifting, can be done because the maximum "punishment" or "discipline" is dismissal from the institution -- getting expelled from the school. There's no deprivation of liberty or property. The school can't fine you or imprison you. The worst it can do is kick you out and tell you not to come back"

WRONG! Your reputation is most certainly your "property" and it can be totally destroyed by these usurpers as led on by "special snowflake victims"!.

jimmy-jimbo said...

The old movies of creepy peeping toms are disconcerting, but we are all peeping toms now. Who knew? Feminists cry about privacy. There is absolutely no more assumption of privacy when men are fair game for a rape accusation after consensual sex. The laws against revenge porn are premature. Let's just re-catagorize them as evidence.

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 said...

There's no deprivation of liberty or property. The school can't fine you or imprison you. The worst it can do is kick you out and tell you not to come back.

Provided they grant you a full refund of all tuition paid plus interest, plus a prorated share of expected life time income loss sure, then you would be made whole in property. But I doubt any of these men are getting a 6-figure check from these institutions. At least not yet. They will be soon.

ajw308 said...

I know that if you are taping conversations you have to let the person you are talking to know first.
@Glenn, depends on the state.
Then, there's guys who trust (among other things) women so much that they marry them. Some of those marriages end in frivorce. A woman is not magically made honorable just because a guy trusts her.

ajw308 said...

Notice also, that the article quoted refers to recording as being "ethically dubious, not "legally dubious".
"There is 'wrong' and there is 'illegal'." - Jesse Stone

liberranter said...

What are the legalities of that, though? I know that if you are taping conversations you have to let the person you are talking to know first.

Since our civilization, in its ongoing state of collapse, has degenerated to the point of utter, surreal absurdity, I can easily see exchanges like the following becoming the norm:

HER: "Ooooh, let's have sex!"

HIM: "Great idea! Let me get the camcorder ready."

HER: "What are talking about?"

HIM: "Given the epidemic of false rape charges, I insist on videotaping any and all sexual encounters as a means of indemnifying myself against such false accusations. Do I have your consent to do this?"

HER: "Are you crazy? Of course not!"

HIM: "Then sex is out of the question."

HER: "Don't you trust me?"

HIM: "Are you crazy? Of course not."

HER: "I'm out of here!"

HIM: "Yes, indeed you are. Now go set some other schmuck up for a false rape accusation."

Retrenched said...

From Zenpriest #10 -- When Men's Trust is Gone (emphasis added):

Men today are hyper-aware and hyper-critical. Because the law provides men absolutely no protections whatsoever, men have to protect themselves. Thus, any and every misstep by a woman, every tantrum, every irrational argument, portends the day he will be facing her in court - either in a divorce proceeding or defending himself against charges of rape.

Pay attention here, MNIK - women today are under such an extreme level of scrutiny by men, looking for any sign of the crazy bitch lurking inside and hiding and waiting to come out until she has the guy over a legal barrel, that no human being can pass the test. Men are like the soldiers who sit watching the radar screens trying to catch the nuclear missiles coming over the pole in time to shoot them out of the sky before they leave nothing but a crater where his life used to be.

Women have really fucked themselves, and all other women by this process.

cailcorishev said...

Thanks to these feminist power-plays, many more men will be videotaping and saving their sexual encounters, which means many more of them will find their way online. Well done, ladies!

Bluntobj Winz said...

Remember that civil court has a much wider admissibility of evidence than criminal court. I think that when a penalty is applied to a male student that includes expulsion and slander, with exculpatory video or audio evidence in existence, you will see a counter-suit in civil court for damages, to both the college and the accuser.

Colleges will find that they must have a standard of due process and will be required to admit video and audio evidence after they get hit with a massive lawsuit. This is California, after all, and you can bet some sharks will dig into cases like these for a 50% contingency. The legal departments of schools will be howling bloody murder if the femmies advocate a consistent position that gets the school (heh) raped in court every time.

Robert What? said...

Meanwhile colleges are losing applicants. At the same time they are alienating a huge pool of potential applicants, ie, men. I expect many smaller colleges to go belly up in the next few years.

Bike Bubba said...

It strikes me that a "marriage contract" used to be seen as consent for sex unless there was some obvious indication of force being used to obtain sex. And it also strikes me that if those who make false accusations were prosecuted per Deuteronomy 19:16-20--where the perjurer gets the penalty she thought to inflict--we'd see these dry up, and quickly.

Salt said...

Good2Go, which launched on Wednesday, is designed to get two parties to explicitly agree to sexual activity and log their level of intoxication with the hope of combating sexual assault, particularly on college campuses.

Okaaaay.....

Eric said...

Irrelevant. The penalties are considerably less than they are for rape.

That's the key. Rape charges carry long prison sentences, and not at country club prison, either. Also, as a legal matter a prosecutor can certainly charge you for a video you use to exonerate yourself (assuming it's a criminal offense), but as a political matter he really can't.

Realistically, the only way you're going to get into trouble making secret videos is if they don't stay secret. You probably shouldn't do it if you're the kind of person who would drunkenly post sex videos of women who've wronged you in some way.

Retrenched said...

"Yes means yes! Consent is sexy!" Say the women who read Fifty Shades of Grey in the bathtub.

cailcorishev said...

Illegally recording an encounter is like illegally carrying a gun. If you're going to be travelling in a dangerous place, you carry a gun, whether it's legal or not. If you have to use it, maybe you end up being charged with a gun crime, but at least you're not dead. In this case, maybe you end up being charged with illegal taping, but at least you're not in prison for rape.

permanentguest said...

What are the legalities of that, though? I know that if you are taping conversations you have to let the person you are talking to know first.

Depends on the state. Illinois is a two-party consent state, so a violator may be subject to criminal penalties and civil suit. Nothing serious, compared to a sexual assault charge.

My scholarly position on this is that if you don't know the lady well enough to trust her - don't f*** her...

I agree with this. But not everyone does, so you've gotta cover your back. I mean, even the "trustworthy" among us may be surprising.

Johnny Caustic said...

Also, I think we now see where the 1 in 4/5 girls are raped in college comes from: the fevered imaginations of women who had sex they later regretted.

"Fevered imaginations" is right. I feel like I should remind everyone of this insight that doesn't get repeated often enough in these kinds of blogs:

Most of the women who are most vocal about "rape" and "rape culture", the women who invest substantial amounts of time screaming about it...are secretly sexually aroused by thinking about rape. That's why they devote so much energy to it.

For those of you willing to have your minds blown, read what the blogger at "Wimminz" learned when he dated a woman who works in Women's causes (warning: very vulgar):

http://wimminz.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/i-got-a-girl-she-lives-on-a-hill/

The key take-away: "Her gig was, she spent her career working in wimminz causes because listening to lying psycho skank ho's tell her stories about being beaten and abused and raped by the tooth fairy made this chick's cunt wet, it was erotic live pornography to her."

Johnny Caustic said...

My scholarly position on this is that if you don't know the lady well enough to trust her - don't f*** her...

This position hasn't saved many a man from false rape and child abuse accusations during divorce proceedings.

It's fundamentally hard for a man to judge a woman's character in less than 25 anniversaries. Men who guessed wrong are legion.

Retrenched said...

@Cail

+1

Akulkis said...

WRONG! Your reputation is most certainly your "property" and it can be totally destroyed by these usurpers as led on by "special snowflake victims"!.


Libel suits.
Slander suits.
Defamation of character

To the tune of "expected lifetime earnings if you and your kangaroo court hadn't dragged my name through the mud." I.e. Several Million... payable NOW.

Once college administrators start seeing the HUGE risk of HUGE hits in their operating budgets, all of this will be quietly shut down and made to go far, far, far away. If the wymyn's studies morons persist, the admins will insist that any lawsuit payouts come out of the lesbian-departments funding.

Why? Because if it comes down between lesbian profs and not putting huge amounts of money at risk... the administrators are ALWAYS going to side with $$$$$$$$$$$.

ray said...

It's helpful that universities keep detailed public records concerning which persons hold which positions, and are responsible for what. Cheers.

ray said...

"Meanwhile colleges are losing applicants"


Hasta be. We get the endless and repetitive "Let's Go Back to College!" conditioning during televised sports events, with chirpy 30-somethings already nostalgic for Ole Alma Mama. So they're getting desperate for students, especially prey oops I mean males.

LibertyPortraits said...

Sad thing is, if prostitution were legalized this entire mess and "rape culture" would disappear. Men would be capable of getting laid by the same women except, instead of a date, they just pay for the sex and the legal transaction verifies consent. "It was legal! I have a receipt!"

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