Tuesday, August 26, 2014

He said, she didn't say

It's always fascinating to see how feminists oppose the entire structure of the Western legal system, namely, evidence and eyewitnesses:
Rape conviction statistics will not improve “until women stop getting drunk”, a retiring judge has said, as she is criticised by women's rights campaigners for her "potentially very harmful" remarks.

Judge Mary Jane Mowat, 66, who worked at Oxford Crown Court until earlier this month, said it was difficult to secure convictions when women could not be sure what had happened because they had drunk too much.

She said juries were faced with an impossible task when a case came down to one person's word against another.

The retired judge told an Oxford newspaper: "I will be pilloried for saying so, but the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk. It is inevitable that it is one person's word against another, and the burden of proof is that you have to be sure before you convict."
Perhaps women would be slower to put themselves in positions where they can be raped with impunity if they understood that they will not be taken at their word simply because they cry rape. It's ridiculous. Can you imagine any other purported crime being investigated, much less prosecuted, on similarly vague grounds?

"Hello, police? I'd like to report my car stolen."

"All right, when was it stolen?"

"Um, I don't actually know."

"You don't know when?"

"No, I mean, I don't actually know it was stolen."

 "Oh. All right. Where did you last see it."

"At the mall. In the parking lot."

"I see. And where are you now, Miss?"

"I'm still at the mall. But I can't find it, so I thought maybe it was stolen and I called you."

"Yes, that is possible. Is it also possible you simply forgot where you parked?"

"Um, yeah, maybe. I'll keep looking for it then."

"Yes, that might be a good idea, Miss."

22 comments:

Robert What? said...

And if the guy and girl are both zonked, it's apparently still just the guy's responsibility according to the feminists.

Trust said...

Disturbing how feminists want to codify their feelings in to law. They literally want how they feel about a person or event to determine guilt and sentencing.

Trust said...

For the car theft example, the woman may say "well, I offered him the keys and begged him to take the car for a joy ride, but I was drunk so he should have known better."@

Eowyn said...

"You just don't get it"

That's what I'm told when I point out that women want to be treated like children in the courts, but have zero accountability among adults when making adult decisions.

jimmy-jimbo said...

So if you're drunk, it isn't rape. For once, I believe in the law. Maybe more women should have a sober escort. They cannot be left alone or they'll be forced to make false accusations.

Trust said...

I don't know if being drunk means it's not rape, I think the point is that if the woman isn't sure whether or not it was rape how can the courts convict beyond a reasonable doubt.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Well said. Sounds like an exceedingly sound judge.

pancakeloach said...

Feminists love to conflate the difference between saying that a drunk woman's testimony is insufficient to establish a conviction of rape in a he/she said situation and the mythical attitude "she's drunk so she's asking for it even if she's passed out on the floor." They don't understand that this is primary evidence for the fact that feminists should never be allowed to vote, because they're (deliberately) too stupid to grasp the fundamental principles of civil society, or that alcohol affects men's inhibitions as well as women's.

Demon rum is a tool of the oppressive heteronormative patriarchy in their minds, I guess. Not that it stops the young women in question from partaking in bottled courage before they sally forth into the hookup scene.

Trust said...

@LBF

agreed. One if my sister's friends went on a fb rant saying "instead if teaching women where to go what to wear and how much to drink, shy don't we teach women not to rape?" I shook my head, takes a really naive mind to think rapists can be taught not to rape.

It would be like me walking through the ghetto at 3 am wearing a suit and counting my $$$ and asserting "teach muggers not to mug."

Advising someone of what makes them vulnerable to a crime is not the same as blaiming the victim.

sigbouncer said...

""But juries are in a position where they've got a woman who says: 'I was absolutely off my head, I can't really remember what I was doing, I can't remember what I said, I can't remember if I consented or not but I know I wouldn't have done'."

How does something like this even make it to a jury trial? I mean if you can't remember what was said, whether or not you consented and basically what the hell happened.

Akulkis said...

And if the guy and girl are both zonked, it's apparently still just the guy's responsibility according to the feminists.

We need to get men to start filing rape complaints for any cae in which a woman has sex with him after he's been drinking. If the prosecutors don't pursue indictment, file a formal complaint of selective enforcement.

Akulkis said...

s/cae/case

Corvinus said...

"You just don't get it"

That's what I'm told when I point out that women want to be treated like children in the courts, but have zero accountability among adults when making adult decisions.


One of the few things I agree with Muslims about is making a woman's testimony worth only 1/3 that of a man's.

Tlu said...

Trust said...
"It would be like me walking through the ghetto at 3 am wearing a suit and counting my $$$ and asserting "teach muggers not to mug.""

Isn't that being a bit raciss?

Beefy Levinson said...

Rule of thumb: men see the law as a tool for resolving disputes. Women see the law as a tool to protect themselves from the consequences of their own decisions.

liberranter said...

Sounds like an exceedingly sound judge.

Which is probably why she's retiring. It moght well be a case of her having been told "retire now, or we'll have you removed from the bench on whatever charges we can make stick."

Doom said...

Alcohol? Hell, the whole notion of daterape is a modern fiction and needs to be booted out of courts. As soon as a woman says she went with a guy, one who she was romantically interested in, or felt that he was interested in her, and went to an isolated place with him, that should be it. Let society figure these things out, they aren't legal issues. It would also deal with the issue of "campus rape".

If you need any other help, just let me know.

LL said...

Faced with our poor decisions of the night before, we had no excuse but to take them all back. After all, that’s what all of the flyers and the seminars and the PSAs said. That’s what our professors told us, as did the nurses at Student Health. That’s what the protestors wearing the skimpy outfits and holding the glittery posters said. “It’s not your fault,” they all told us. Yes, you were drunk. And yes, you flirted with him. And yes, you initiated the first makeout…and the second one. Yes, you whispered, “Let’s get out of here.” But you felt guilty this morning. And so you take it all back. No matter that he was drunk, too, and you were a willing participant — you take it back. And in the game of your word against his, you will always win.

http://totalsororitymove.com/stop-crying-rape

Cataline Sergius said...

Some students came up with a nail polish that will change color in the presence of rohypnol. If a girl is suspicious she just dips a finger in the proffered drink.

Good idea, I wish I'd thought of it was my first reaction. But then I am not a Social Justice Warrior so I didn't know that my first reaction should have been horror.

Because this invention supports Rape-Culture!!!!!

Are fuckin kidding me? Was my unnuanced cis-gendered response.

Anything at all that even hints at the barest possibility that a woman should accept some burden in protecting herself, is now supporting Rape-Culture.

Ghost said...

So when her boyfriend gets hammered and has sex with someone else, how come she doesn't feel sympathy for the rape victim?

vashine said...

"Do you often let others drive your car ma'am?"

"Well, I'm mean, like, uh, yeah, uh sometimes, but obviously some guy just stole it this time!!"

"So you've given keys, sets of keys, to various men, maybe even women, over the years? While in various states of intoxication?"

"Well, uuh..."

"And ma'am, usually when you're drunk or drinking, you let a man, or several men at once, drive that ride, correct?"

"But this time I was SUUUUUUPER wasted and he, they, just, uh, just shouldn't have DONE that!!"

"So drunk that you can't remember if you actually willingly gave him the keys, possibly even begged him to take your car, ask him, whispered in his ear that you wanted him to drive it hard in front of several other 'hombres' and on-lookers?? To 'drive it like he stole it'?? "

"Are you saying, like, I'm like a bad mother!?! How dare you! You BASTARD! May car was sooooo violated, like beyond-the-usual violated, this time!! (crying, swooning, running off to hide/flush bottles of lube jelly, vats of sex creams, and 500-count cartons of multi-colored, multi-flavored, suck-n-sniff condoms to be found in bedroom closet, or just out in the open on the bedside table... or next to child's crib)

Doorstop said...

"So when her boyfriend gets hammered and has sex with someone else, how come she doesn't feel sympathy for the rape victim?"

+1

No wonder feminists hate "date rape" so much- it's the enlightened 21st century and yet an activity somehow exists which men can perform but women are incapable of accomplishing. I await the day when we can celebrate the first female date rapist- perhaps they'll put her face on a postage stamp, and she can make a guest appearance on Sesame Street.

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