Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Another victim of Marriage 2.0

Robin Williams struggled with depression and alchoholism. But it is unlikely that he would have taken his own life had Marriage 2.0 not wrought financial devastation on him:
Robin Williams faced ‘serious money troubles’ shortly before his death. He was forced to accept a string of second-rate but lucrative acting roles which insiders say made his battle with depression even tougher. The actor had admitted that he was on the verge of bankruptcy and was relying on the success of an upcoming TV series which was then ignominiously cancelled, affecting him deeply....

Last September, Williams revealed he was having to put his huge California ranch and vineyard up for sale for £22million to cover some of his debts. Although he was famously generous to both charities and his friends, the actor blamed his money woes chiefly on two divorces. He divorced his first wife – Valerie Velardi – in 1988 and ended his second marriage, to Marsha Garces, his oldest child’s former nanny, in 2008 after 19 years together.

The two divorces reportedly cost him at least £12million. In addition, he agreed to pay a mistress an estimated £4million in damages in 1986, after she sued him for infecting her with herpes. ‘Divorce is expensive. It’s ripping your heart out through your wallet,’ Williams told Parade magazine last year.
Now, Williams clearly had a problem keeping his trousers on. But before we judge him too harshly, we should keep in mind that addicts are not known for their sexual continence, and, as Bill Burr points out, we don't know what it is like to be a famous actor targeted by a legion of whores. What we can reasonably observe, however, is that multiple divorces have financially ruined a number of intelligent, wealthy men, including Williams and John Cleese.

The conclusion? If you get divorced, do NOT marry a second time. Especially if you are a comedian.

70 comments:

Cataline Sergius said...

The statistics speak for themselves. First time marriage today has an across the board 45% chance of ending in divorce. If a marriage ends in divorce and you remarry, you have a 60% chance of that one ending in divorce too.

After that for God sake don't bother anymore, because any subsequent marriage has a 90% chance of ending in divorce. Unless of course you are a woman. Let's face it, serial divorcees are on the gravy train.

And let us not forget that women initiate divorce proceedings 80% of the time

Sometime in the next five years Kim Kardashian is going to prove mathematically, statistically and scientifically that Kanye West is in point of fact, the dumbest dumb-fuck on Earth.

Doom said...

Actually, after learning much of this, I finally find him funny.

I save my sympathy, and empathy, for those deserving of it. He is not among them, for any reason. Choices, in his case, bad ones, all around. But funny as hell. Literally, I think. If only to my dark side, or the light side of my dark side. *zing*

APL said...

Cataline Sergius:
First time marriage failure " across the board 45%"
second marriage. " a 60% chance of that one ending in divorce too."
third marriage. "has a 90% chance of ending in divorce."

Interesting, I quite believe it, but do you have a source?

Cataline Sergius said...

@APL

Homogamy and Dyadic Approaches to Understanding Marital Instability, Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research, 2009 (Rebecca Kippen, Bruce Chapman and Peng Yu)

Nate said...

"The statistics speak for themselves. First time marriage today has an across the board 45% chance of ending in divorce. If a marriage ends in divorce and you remarry, you have a 60% chance of that one ending in divorce too."

Actually these numbers have been debunked. Marriage in the church has a much much greater chance of success. To the tune 18% or so compared to over 50% outside it.

buzzardist said...

I completely agree with the logic of not getting divorced, and that is multiplied with each subsequent divorce. No doubt, divorce leads to financial ruin.

But this narrative that Williams killed himself because he was having money problems just doesn't fly with me. Yeah, his divorces were costly, and, yeah, Williams was having money problems. But that's a poor explanation for a lost, desperate act. Depression isn't just about money problems, divorces, or professional troubles. Sometimes people do off themselves impulsively merely for such reasons, but Williams had a long history of substance abuse and depression. He had a lot of demons, some of which are probably what led to his divorces. The idea that this was about a whole lot of things external to himself doesn't fly with me. Williams' demons were on the inside.

de ti said...

Nate:

I would like to believe you, but I think that's too rosy a picture.

Last figures available to my knowledge in the US show a 38% divorce rate among professing Christians. It’s 25% for Roman Catholics.

Rek. said...

Interesting fact, Nate. Is it more of an anglo-evangelical phenom or has it been universally established to all christians. Wouldn't mind reading about this. Don't hesitate to share your thoughts also.

Cataline Sergius said...

@ Nate

If you would please, disclose your source, Nate. I provided mine upon request.

Cataline Sergius said...


Unless of course you are in fact arguing that Kanye made a good decision in marrying a woman with two divorces, a bar-sinister baby and a porn tape, yetstill wore a veil in white when she went down the aisle for the third time?

passionman said...

Of course, this is why God invented prenups. Kanye may be many things, but stupid is not one of them...I think. I hope,for his sake.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

Of course, this is why God invented prenups. Kanye may be many things, but stupid is not one of them...I think. I hope,for his sake

In the case of John Cleese, a prenup didn't matter. The divorce court judge ignored it entirely.

Bike Bubba said...

Did divorce kill Robin Williams, or was it the insecurity and impulsive nature that he indulged his entire life? Let's be serious here; there are real instances of frivorce, and it doesn't appear that it ever happened to Mork.

Condolences to those he left behind, and let's all remember that there is a time when it's very important to love someone enough to be there, and a time to say "grow up, Mork, your immaturity is going to be the death of you." It may or may not be heard through million dollar paychecks, but it might help.

jimmy-jimbo said...

Robin married for the third time. I find his bankruptsy to not be the truth. Settling his first two marriage for £12million seems like a bargain when you consider that his actual networth to be estimated to be $130 million. I am certain that his financial position has most definitely changed and he should have long ago made the financial adjustment. It wasn't like he could not support himself. He did work, although I haven't seen his latest work.

I believe his depression and possible addiction was a much more powerful force to cause him to end his life.

@Nate "Actually these numbers have been debunked. Marriage in the church has a much much greater chance of success. To the tune 18% or so compared to over 50% outside it."

How is it debunked? Assuming most marriages are not in the church, on average, the statistics appear to be accurate.

PhantomZodak said...

don't get married

Cataline Sergius said...

I had someone close to me who died a suicide. He had had episodes where he came close many times in his life before he finally killed himself in his fifties. So I understand a bit what Williams family is going through. Anger mostly at this point. It feels like the ultimate 'fuck you' for the those that get left behind.

Given the nature of his talent I'm not surprised it ended this way. Anybody who is that manic is going to have a depressive lag afterwards.

That said finances can make anyone feel so trapped you just want to chew your own leg off to escape the trap.

I think everyone who was close to him just assumed that Williams was safe now because he had gone through the worst of it.

@Passionman

The rumor is that Kanye signed one that Kim's lawyers designed. He didn't want to make a fuss. He's in love!

whoresoftheinternet said...

@passionman said...

Of course, this is why God invented prenups. Kanye may be many things, but stupid is not one of them...I think. I hope,for his sake.

The guy married a porn star, tubby, airbrushed, already-twice-divorced, plastic-surgeried-up-the-yin-yang reality TV fame whore. Kanye West is clearly very, very stupid.

That doesn't surprise me, given that he's a pop tart and he couldn't realize that running up on stage and stealing a young, sweetly-portrayed girl's award from her on TV and telling her she didn't deserve it was a bad idea.

Then again, it could be he thought Negro privilege extended that far. But the marriage to Kim Kardashawhore is undeniably and unexplainably one of the most laughably stupid things anyone can do.

Oh, and as someone else pointed out, courts can set aside prenups and often do. You can bet when they divorce she'll drag this in front of the media as West denying her child his rightful share, and putting on her fake crocodile tears for the camera---"for the children." She'll make a mint off the divorce footage alone.

As to marriage after a divorce, I'm reminded of the old expression: "Second marriages are the triumph of hope over experience."

I have a buddy who got divorced from his crazy first wife (certifiable: she's been institutionalized and is prescribed medication, but refuses to take it and refuses to admit she has the problem/claims its under control) after only a year of marriage and then proceeded to try for an annulment (Catholic, he's religious). Even with hiring Catholic lawyers, its dragging on. The divorce took only a few months, but the church is intolerably slow. He has good grounds for it, too (refusal to have children/sex denial/adultery).

He's moved on, and has dated other women, even a few on a divorced web site. I ask him---a religious man--if he would ever get married again. He gets this far away look in his eyes: "I like the idea of marriage and family too much to ruin it with reality."

Very sad what this woman did to him. And even sadder that it isn't an aberration.

Stay frosty, boys.

Glen Filthie said...

I would say that in these days - if your woman really loves you she will have no problem at all waiving the marriage ceremony or signing a pre-nup.
I once saw how a filthy document like the pre-nup can actually be an expression of love - all it is, is a contract that says if the marriage fails, you leave it with everything you brought to it, and promise not to gouge your spouse with a dirty divorce where nobody wins.
I look at you youngsters today and thank God I am an old world man.

cailcorishev said...

He has good grounds for it, too (refusal to have children/sex denial/adultery).

The last two aren't grounds for an annulment. The first might be, if he can show she came into the marriage with that intention. An annulment is a declaration that the marriage was never valid in the first place, so it has to be based on some defect that existed at the time of the wedding. If she never intended to have children, that could be grounds; but if she came in with the right intentions and turned into a crazy hose-beast later, he's out of luck.

All that assumes that the tribunal is doing things by the book, of course.

Corvinus said...

The conclusion? If you get divorced, do NOT marry a second time

But oh no, the Catholic Church was stupid for not allowing second marriages.

Sometime in the next five years Kim Kardashian is going to prove mathematically, statistically and scientifically that Kanye West is in point of fact, the dumbest dumb-fuck on Earth.

Kanye West literally failed the Jumbotron Test when he proposed, so yes, it's only a matter of time.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T0xlm3xz2mw/UmaTvHyCUBI/AAAAAAAAlgM/eClyiN3geFY/s1600/kanye+proposes+to+kim+kardashian.jpg

Corvinus said...

Last figures available to my knowledge in the US show a 38% divorce rate among professing Christians. It’s 25% for Roman Catholics.

@de ti
That sounds more or less accurate to me. One must remember that Protestantism allows divorce, whereas Catholicism banned it (which is why the Anglican Church exists). The modernized Protestantized Vatican II Church allows it de facto, but it remains lower among Catholics due to this past.

jimmy-jimbo said...

"But oh no, the Catholic Church was stupid for not allowing second marriages."

Wait, for once we can say the church was correct for not sanctioning second marriages.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Well said, Vox. Can't argue with that. I do meet men who've been married 2, 3, and even 4 times, but that's probably just a reflection of the decadent mating scene in SoCal.

ScuzzaMan said...

I dont understand the guys who make very poor choices about who to marry and then swear off marriage as if the institution is the problem.

Especially you Christians who take this line. You think you know better than God, or what?

I'd like to recommend an alternate strategy: how about you swear off making dumb choices?

That would be evidence of (A) clear thinking, and (B) having learned something ...

paul a'barge said...

pre-nup.

Hamilton said...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11030100/Robin-Williams-friend-reveals-actor-resented-having-to-do-new-Mrs-Doubtfire.html

More evidence of Marriage 2.0 taking it's toll. A friend close to Robin said that Robin was strapped for cash because of his divorces and was basically taking jobs to make enough to pay ex-wives.

Aaron Kulkis said...

Of course, this is why God invented prenups. Kanye may be many things, but stupid is not one of them...I think. I hope,for his sake

In the case of John Cleese, a prenup didn't matter. The divorce court judge ignored it entirely.



And THIS is why the solution is to start murdering family law court judges -- and in the most news-getting way possible. Decapitation then setting their house on fire. IED in the driveway. Things that the news people cannot ignore.

Bike Bubba said...

Let's be serious here; "poverty" and "need" for "Mork" here means that he had the "brutal" choice of selling a mansion or ranch, or taking a few acting roles not to his liking. I'm sorry, but again, his divorces did not kill him, but rather his idea that he could have it all without self-control and planning.

cailcorishev said...

His ridiculous divorce penalties surely played a role in his depression, but he was obviously lost in a lot of ways. Ask yourself: if you were in his financial position, with his fame, would you conclude that suicide was the only way out, or would you quickly think of a handful of better ways to deal with it? Here's one, you could go Galt: tell your wives' lawyers, "Here's the house, here are my bank accounts, my cars, everything except the shirt off my back." Start walking down the street and wait for someone to recognize you and offer you a ride, and spend the rest of your life traveling around accepting the kindness of strangers. I mean, he's freakin' Robin Williams! I didn't even like most of his movies, but damn straight I'd give him a place to stay for a while and three meals a day, just out of curiosity. That's the kind of alternative you might think of if you didn't see death as somehow appealing.

Once people get stuck in that pit of depression, it's hard for them to see any way out except forward -- keep running and try to stay ahead of the demon -- when what he probably needed to do was get out and leave that life behind completely. He probably never realized he didn't "have to" do Mrs. Doubtfire 2 at all.

Corvinus said...

I dont understand the guys who make very poor choices about who to marry and then swear off marriage as if the institution is the problem.

Especially you Christians who take this line. You think you know better than God, or what?

I'd like to recommend an alternate strategy: how about you swear off making dumb choices?

That would be evidence of (A) clear thinking, and (B) having learned something ...


Yeah, I think one big reason for the high divorce rate is that people -- both men and women -- get married thinking in the back of their mind that they can simply divorce if things don't "work out".

I suspect women are especially guilty of this. After all, they do most of the divorcing. If marriage really was enforced 'till death do us part, then women wouldn't do stupid things like ride the cock carousel and then settle down with a nice stable beta, then divorce his ass when she feels the time is right. Instead, she'd be forced to at least try to lock down one of the ALPHAs she runs into, and at the same time be more choosy about the ALPHAs she does date.

jimmy-jimbo said...

The most he can lose is half of his wealth and those marriages ended a long time ago. Half of his wealth worth millions of dollars is still a lot of money that he still has. Besides, his children are grown up. There should be no more alimony or child support payments. This doesn't mean he can't feel that he lost money. He definitely lost a bundle, but that's like looking at a cup half empty than half full. He is still Robin Williams and he can command millions of dollars for each movie and television appearance.

He is a sad and conflicted person. He was unable to cope with his personal problems and issues. Since he didn't leave a note, we really don't know what happened.

whoresoftheinternet said...

@cailcorishev:

He has good grounds for it, too (refusal to have children/sex denial/adultery).

The last two aren't grounds for an annulment. The first might be, if he can show she came into the marriage with that intention. An annulment is a declaration that the marriage was never valid in the first place, so it has to be based on some defect that existed at the time of the wedding. If she never intended to have children, that could be grounds; but if she came in with the right intentions and turned into a crazy hose-beast later, he's out of luck.


---He spoke with a pretty knowledgeable priest about this, but obviously I'm relaying this as a layman second-hand. Anyway, the priest said that denial to the rights of the body by a spouse were grounds for annulment. I believe VOx has stated some sort of biblical proposition that adultery=end of marriage (although I could be wrong). She claimed she wanted children all during the pre-cana stuff, but then told him shortly after she didn't want any, so it's a gray area.

Also, given that his wife had these diagnosed mental problems before they were married, and had been on the meds and seeing therapists and been institutionalized all pre-wedding but then stopped and went into denial once the engagement began but pre-wedding, he's also making a claim that her clinical batshit crazy made it impossible for her to rationally and fully and knowingly agree to the marriage.

Aaron Kulkis said...

s/murdering/assassinating

cailcorishev said...

She claimed she wanted children all during the pre-cana stuff, but then told him shortly after she didn't want any, so it's a gray area.

That's probably why it's taking so long. It's not enough to show that she refused during the marriage, but that can be an indication that she didn't have the right intentions beforehand. So they have to balance that against her pre-cana claims that she did, and sort out the truth as best they can. Sometimes that means interviewing people she knew before the marriage, much like a court case, and I'd think her untreated mental illness should help.

My point was just to let Catholic guys know -- as we haven't been taught for a few decades -- that you can't necessarily get an annulment because your sweet little Catholic bride turns into a crazy bitch after the wedding. If she seems obedient to Church teaching before the wedding -- and if she doesn't, why are you marrying her? -- then it may be difficult to find proof of nullity later on. Some tribunals have been handing annulments out like candy for the last few decades, but that's not going to continue forever, and some guys who weren't taught the rules are going to get stuck.

One Fat Oz Guy said...

I also read that he was sleeping in "his bedroom" when he died. Doesn't sound like marriage number 3 was going that well.
Jimmy-jimbo - alimony can go on for decades after the children have left. Women can also be given far more than half. Which country are you from?
You'd be hard pressed to find any of his ex-wives doing it tough and being forced to sell million dollar properties to stay afloat, basically because it fell on him in every case.
No one in the MSM will put any blame on his exes, because it's all about mental illness doncha know.
Kind of like saying bushfires are an act of god whilst ignoring people throwing lit cigarettes out their windows on the hottest days in summer.

jimmy-jimbo said...

"Which country are you from?"

California. Women getting half is the norm. They do uphold prenups in California. I have never heard of alimony going on forever in California. I heard this is likely true in Massachusetts, which already reformed its laws.

passionman said...

@swiftfoxmark2 said...
In the case of John Cleese, a prenup didn't matter. The divorce court judge ignored it entirely.

Just googled this...Cleese got married AGAIN! Good God.

Robert What? said...

@buzzardist - I was never a Robin Williams fan. I could never take the ever-present "simper". But my guess is that with the depression, drinking, financial problems, he felt a total failure. He probably looked at what the rest of his life would likely be like and decided "I'm outta here".

de ti said...

Aaron Kulkis, August 13, 2014 at 12:25 pm

No, no, no. That is not the way to go at all.

whoresoftheinternet said...

@cailcorishev

Thanks for the heads up, I'll let him know. Incidentally, do you know if there is a rule that, if a diocese declares your marriage null, but after the death of both parties the annulment is reversed? How would that affect the souls, especially if one of the parties had married another and otherwise obeyed the rules? Is the sin of adultery passed on if it is unwitting, in that circumstance? Not trolling, genuinely curious.

@passionman said...
Just googled this...Cleese got married AGAIN! Good God.

---Cleese, despite his sarcastic, pomo, prickly assholish demeanor, actually has a profound sweetspot for blondes, particularly American blondes, particularly California blondes.

I think its a product of his generation. I've read how blond young American girls were the gold standard in Britain for men born in the post-war period--a Marylin Monroe-type or girl-next-door, didn't matter. Sylvia Plath caught Ted Hughes simply by being the only American blonde on campus, wherein he ripped her earrings out of her ears and declared that she belonged to him.

As to Cleese, he's married a bunch of blondes, mostly american. I think he's a great reflection of the idiom "scratch the surface of every cynic and you'll find a broken-hearted idealist underneath."


cailcorishev said...

Incidentally, do you know if there is a rule that, if a diocese declares your marriage null, but after the death of both parties the annulment is reversed?

No, I'm not that much of an expert; I just know the basics. I think I've heard of annulments being reversed by the tribunal in Rome because something fishy was discovered about them, but I don't know if one has ever been done so much later that it would be after death.

As far as the issue of sin: Catholics don't believe you can be held responsible for a sin if you didn't know it was one. So if you got an annulment in good faith and remarried, then died, and then your annulment was reversed for some reason, you're not suddenly going to get sent downstairs.

Now, if you knew the annulment was shady all along because you bribed the tribunal after being told you were out of luck, that'd be a different matter.

Aaron Kulkis said...

Judges will not stop raping men in divorce court until they fear for their lives if they do so.

Retrenched said...

I'm sorry that he's dead, but he really should have known better.

insanitybytes22 said...

There's a slight possibility that pouring alcohol, cocaine, and women, into the abyss of your wounded soul will leave you feeling emptier than ever. Giving his mistress herpes cost him nearly as much as each one of his marriages.

Naturally the only logical conclusion we can reach here is that marriage killed him.

LAZ said...

Some people are so used to having a significant other around that they can't stand the thought of being alone.

Bob said...

While I think his finances could have likely handle it, I think the focus is on the "It's like pulling your heart out through your wallet" kinda thing what did it.

Fortunately I've never been married or in that situation, whenever my past relationships went sour, I simply cut contact to get them out of my mind, and that was depressive enough, can't imagine what it's like having the person be constantly refreshed in your mind with each payment, court battle or whatever that's constantly being sapped out. Knowing that person you once loved now just wants to carve a chunk out of you, financially and emotionally. That has got to get a man down.

Also to all you "He should have known better" arseholes, yes, you're likely right, but, why are we STILL blaming blokes for the evil actions of adult women. Nothing is ever going to change when it's ALWAYS "his" fault.

One Fat Oz Guy said...

Jimmy-jumbo - I found this by googling:
California law (Family Code Section 4336(a)) says that where a marriage is "of long duration," the court "retains jurisdiction" indefinitely after the divorce is completed, unless the spouses agree otherwise. Retaining jurisdiction means that the court has the ability to continue making decisions about matters between the spouses, and can reevaluate its original orders and modify them if the facts justify a change. Any marriage that is longer than ten years is automatically considered to be "of long duration," and sometimes, shorter marriages can be considered lengthy as well.

Notice how it says marriages of longer than 10 years are held in the court's jurisdiction indefinitely. Therefore, his two exes have the power to claim they can't support themselves at any time.
Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't make it possible.
The news reports say he was paying for two ex wives, which means his first wife was still being paid over 20 years after they divorced.

insanitybytes22 said...

"Nothing is ever going to change when it's ALWAYS "his" fault."

Not fault, responsibility. The alternative is to perceive yourself as a chronic victim with no power. Waiting for the world to change, women to change, the court system to change, as if you were just a bit of flotsam caught in the tide sounds rather helpless and depressing.

whoresoftheinternet said...

@insanitybytes22

Man, you're a little turd troll, aren't you? lol Still trying to keep the blame on dudes.

Funny, I'll bet when your feminazi lords and mistresses bitch, you yell "you go girl" and join right along in their newly-born movement to push more gyno-centric laws...which always get put on the books.

Perhaps men collectively bitching that "something must be done" and pointing the finger away from themselves on an issue...is the beginning of a movement that will change things.

....

Nah, it's all men's fault, and any one who says otherwise is denying responsibility for their actions! Evil men! Boo!

Lefty troll rape!

P.S. you should meet PA. He's much more below the surface.

Thomas Howard said...

Robin Williams' situation is reminiscent of Dave Foley's; there is a very interesting Joe Rogan podcast detailing the matter that should be a required watch for every guy contemplating marriage. Foley was barely holding it together and his situation may have been worse: his frivorce was adjudicated in Canada. My take on that--don't marry north of the border unless you have the means and the resolve to expatriate when your circumstances jump into the handbasket.

insanitybytes22 said...

"Perhaps men collectively bitching that "something must be done" and pointing the finger away from themselves on an issue...is the beginning of a movement that will change things"

Perhaps, but more likely the public relations skills of you and your brothers will simply serve to inspire a whole new generation of feminists.

jimmy-jimbo said...

"Notice how it says marriages of longer than 10 years are held in the court's jurisdiction indefinitely. Therefore, his two exes have the power to claim they can't support themselves at any time."

Yes, but your second opinion is wrong. The two exes can claim they can't support themselves, but this doesn't mean the court grants them indefinite spousal support. The rule is spouses get support for up to half the number of years of marriage, but a long term marriage of over 10 years means the court can grant more money or extension if the need arises such as disability. For Robin to continue to pay spousal support for first wife is unusual. Maybe he got a bad lawyer. The second wife's spousal support may have a few more years to go. Robin is probably a manic depressive. He was unable to cope and he managed to marry for the third time.

Funny how multiple marriages doesn't dissuade many other celebrities. Charlie Sheen will upgrade from an actress, to a drug addict, and to porn star.

Retrenched said...

"Funny how multiple marriages doesn't dissuade many other celebrities."

Well, often male celebrities can afford to lose big chunks of their fortunes and still live pretty comfortably.

One Fat Oz Guy said...

Jimmy-jumbo - please provide a link that shows that Robin Williams was NOT still paying alimony to both his wives.
All the searches and reports I've found come up empty, but since you're so eager to defend the 'there's no way he was still paying alimony' line, please provide some evidence.
All the reports I found include that he was downsizing, he had to sell some of his collections and was taking movie roles to pay the alimony for his two ex wives.
Maybe you know something no one else knows. If so, please share your knowledge.

Rek. said...

Rached Ghannouchi, head of Tunisia's powerful Islamist Ennahda party, called on young men on Wednesday to marry divorcees and women over 30.

http://news.yahoo.com/tunisia-islamist-chief-urges-men-wed-women-over-235300476.html

heh

Brad Andrews said...

What happens to children from an annulled marriage? Just curious.

I am still convinced Robin Williams' lifestyle choices and political views let him down this unfortunate path. Making bad choices has a way of leading to more bad choices, no matter how much worldly success you have.

Some dude said...

@Aaron Kulkis

And THIS is why the solution is to start murdering family law court judges

Probably better just to avoid getting married unless you have some serious social or legal leverage to make things even.

Family court judges did not just get there by magic. There is a broad societal and cultural mindset that places them there with those viewpoints. Dalrock talks at length about the misguided feminist mindset among the clergy. So currently, in the eyes of the masses, what happens to fathers is perfectly normal and right.

If you got up and started shooting judges, society would not view you as a hero, but as a threat. And those people espousing similar views to yours would also be considered a threat.

Information is the key. Men need to understand the psychological principles of male-female sexual dynamics (game). They also need to understand the damage of nanny-state policies, they need to be taught the proper principles of character and integrity. Finally, they need to be made to understood exactly what the law says and how it applies to them, particularly in liabilities.

Translation: there is a big fucking truck barreling down the road towards you, move out the way.

Some dude said...

I really wish there was some resource for American men in each state which could explain to them, in plain english and with links to the source, exactly what the law can do to them in their relationships with women.

jimmy-jimbo said...

One Fat "please provide a link that shows that Robin Williams was NOT still paying alimony to both his wives."

I did not make that claim. I said Robin probably did and he must have a bad lawyer. I said the court is unlikely to order long term alimony. See here. http://www.liaisesolutions.com/3-spousal-support-myths-exposed-the-truth-about-alimony-from-a-san-francisco-divorce-mediator/

I read that Robin took on 4 movie roles, one television series, and was about to sell his $35 million estate. Then he was still complaining about paying spousal support. We have NO MORE information.

cailcorishev said...

What happens to children from an annulled marriage? Just curious.

They're immediately put to death.

I said the court is unlikely to order long term alimony.

Men are also unlikely to have current and potential income of tens of millions of dollars at the time of divorce. It's not hard to imagine a divorce judge looking at a man and saying, "Hmm, so you've been one of the most popular actors in Hollywood for a couple decades and you own a $30M house? Yeah, let's load you up." If there's any situation where they'd order long-term support, that seems like a likely one.

liberranter said...

Perhaps, but more likely the public relations skills of you and your brothers will simply serve to inspire a whole new generation of feminists.

Go home, GG.

2870b918-77c0-11e3-b9bd-000bcdcb8a73 said...

I dont understand the guys who make very poor choices about who to marry and then swear off marriage as if the institution is the problem.

I'd like to recommend an alternate strategy: how about you swear off making dumb choices?

Some men swear off marriage because they realize that the problem isn't the institution or the women they married, it's them. I figured out some time ago that if I live with a woman--any woman--for more than three or four years, the relationship dies. Without going into detail, this is because of qualities which I have that aren't going to change, and qualities which nearly all women have (not hypergamy). So my only smart choice is to avoid marriage (and cohabitation) altogether, and I doubt I'm unique.

jimmy-jimbo said...

"If there's any situation where they'd order long-term support, that seems like a likely one."

The vast majority of divorces are settled by agreement, not trial, not by a judge. Both come together and decide on how to settle their joint property and the alimony. If I was rich, I would have separated the property and pay-off the alimony as an one-time settlement (thus no spousal support). Property is seldom divided evenly. Rich people keep good records and know which property are considered separate and which are consider marital.

Again, we don't know Robin's situation. If he agreed to alimony, it has to be the worst decision he made. He should not have remarried so quickly after his first marriage failed. He could have accumulated assets and later decide to marry again under better financial conditions. No matter what, he was still rich. He was earning $165,000 for each episode of his failed television series. Goodness. I'll be lucky to earn that much in one year. So he still claimed poverty? Hard to believe. Yet that is what he did.

SirHamster said...

If I was rich, I would have separated the property and pay-off the alimony as an one-time settlement (thus no spousal support). Property is seldom divided evenly. Rich people keep good records and know which property are considered separate and which are consider marital.

Sounds like a huge incentive for her lawyer to convince her otherwise. "More".

Brad Andrews said...

Cail, it was a serious question. I have no idea RCC doctrine on the area of children of an annulled marriage, especially given how widely they are granted today.

cailcorishev said...

Brad, I still don't understand the question. What do you mean, "What happens to them?" What do you expect could happen to them?

Rabbi B said...

"Not fault, responsibility. The alternative is to perceive yourself as a chronic victim with no power. Waiting for the world to change, women to change, the court system to change, as if you were just a bit of flotsam caught in the tide sounds rather helpless and depressing." (@insanitybytes22)

It is the standard maneuver today, fueled by the basest malice, for these women to project their own evil on to the objects of their wrath, while representing their fight to the rest of the world as a justified means of self-defense and cause celebre.

It is not going to be through open robbery and the like that that society will go to ruin, but rather by underhanded dealing and cunningly operating within and hiding behind the letter of the law, while the astutely dishonest fastidiously perpetrate every wrong that human justice cannot reach and for which every divorce court serves as a bastion and stronghold of the aforementioned cause celebre.

This particular brand of immorality, while intended to gradually ruin our fellow man, inexorably becomes its own rod, mercilessly punishing its staunchest adherents. Such is the kind of corruption we are faced with today.

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jimmy-jimbo said...

There's always more facts.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/15/robin-williams-money-problems-divorce-suicide-depression/

"Robin Williams did not have money trouble and money had no connection to his depression ... although he DID complain about being taken to the cleaners "the way most divorced husbands do" ... so says a person who frequently discussed finances with the actor.

The source -- who was in regular contact with Robin -- tells us he was not cash strapped and lived "the way he wanted to," adding, "He always flew first class, took great vacations and lived in the house he loved."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/15/robin-williams-money-problems-divorce-suicide-depression/#ixzz3AWsaBg4U

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