Tuesday, July 1, 2014

It's just too easy

You know, I intellectually grasp the Gamma concept of embracing the insult, of owning the contempt, and attempting to make a positive out of a negative. It's a defense mechanism, and maybe it is even a necessary one for young men who somehow have to survive years of degradation and social humiliation.

But I don't understand it. I mean, seriously John Scalzi?
Saw the inside of a weight room for the first time since high school today. I took things very VERY slow.

Let it be known that my daughter can lift more than I do. Because she's on her school's weightlifting team, and also because she's awesome.

Watching "Tootsie" with Krissy. Seriously one of the best comedies ever.
Ye cats. You don't have to know anything at all about a man who will voluntarily make public statements like that to recognize that he was nowhere near the top or even the middle of the social hierarchy as a youth. If you're having any trouble grasping the difference between Delta and Gamma, this is it in a nutshell: the observable difference between the behavior of someone like John Scalzi and normal adult male behavior.

See that? Don't do that. Not if you have any interest in attractive female companionship. Much less sex of the variety that involves an attractive, willing, female partner who is not being monetarily compensated.

UPDATE:
ME: Some dudes online are making fun of me because you lift more than I can. DAUGHTER: That's because they're pathetic losers, dad. #point
Yes, no doubt THAT is PRECISELY why people are laughing at him. Just like the popular kids in high school didn't invite him to their parties because they were jealous. One has to say this for the man: when he finds himself in a hole, he is bloody well determined to dig his way out. Because China must be down there somewhere!

46 comments:

GF Dad said...

Does self deprecation equal gamma behavior? To a point, it can be funny, but poor John isn't funny.
As a social strategy, does this ever work? From personal experience, I don't think it ever did. It may have temporarily stopped the bullies back in 9th grade, but the self loathing from having to resort to that sort of behavior was off the chart. What John must feel about himself in the depths of his heart must be very sad. Very, very sad.

Remo said...

My G-D the man is basically a talking vagina. No... cancel that a vagina is at least useful for something.

Dexter said...

Heh, when I started lifting in my 20s, it was immediately evident that the weakest men could lift more than the strongest women. But Scalzi wasn't in my gym at the time!

Booch Paradise said...

I'm basically certain that Scalzi can lift more than his daughter. But he won't. He won't come anywhere near brushing up against lifting to failure, because he doesn't have the mental discipline to push himself that hard.

Amy G said...

He likes Tootsie. What a shock.

cailcorishev said...

Self-deprecation is fine, as long as you have enough social capital that you can afford to give a little away and still have plenty. Or to put it another way: as long as it's not actually true. It's the difference between lowering yourself a bit to make people who are looking up at you feel more comfortable with you, versus putting yourself down to beat others to the punch.

This isn't self-deprecation. This is something else....something creepy. As a side point, take a moment to imagine how his daughter is being raised to A) have an ego too large to fit in this universe, and B) look down on "nice" men from the start. If she doesn't either go lesbian or run off with a biker gang, he'll be lucky.

NMA said...

A quick web search finds this http://dailyadvocate.com/news/sports/3331304/Powerlifters-compete-at-Tri-Village suggesting that Scalzi's daughter has a 200lb powerlifting total. For those who don't know powerlifting, that 200lb is the sum of what she can bench press, squat and deadlift for one rep.
That may be fairly good for her, but why is Scalzi bringing up the fact that he's so weak? Is he that desperate to get into the safe space at conventions?

d7f250b8-f236-11e3-8c69-eb77e48f84a1 said...

GF Dad,

Does self deprecation equal gamma behavior? To a point, it can be funny, but poor John isn't funny.
As a social strategy, does this ever work?


Not always, and yes, it can be effective, depending.

cailcorishev is close when saying:
It's the difference between lowering yourself a bit to make people who are looking up at you feel more comfortable with you, versus putting yourself down to beat others to the punch.

Women will flock to a little self-depreciating humor because it's light-hearted and suggests a man measures himself by the same criteria for winning as he measures every other man.This man has standards. A woman doesn't have to try to tear this man down because he already knows his place. And the one who is comfortable with the game isn't afraid to play it to win.

Contrast this against Scalzi: pretending the game doesn't apply to him, because he's already lost. It's a mask of faux confidence. Some low-class women will go for this because it means they can beat up on him readily and feel empowered. In reality, Scalzi has no standards. His self-depreciation is to abolish all criteria for winning in an effort not to lose. A race to the bottom basically.

d7f250b8-f236-11e3-8c69-eb77e48f84a1 said...

the comment above is by me, theflyerinblack

i guess i'll need to start signing my posts.

Conscientia Republicae said...

Your mom is a safe space.

Heh heh heh...

Brad Andrews said...

Cail,

Seeing his wife and thinking of his daughter makes me think of the Soviet weightlifters in the 1980s. May not be fair to her, but I doubt she got the skinny genes.

everybodyhatesscott said...

My cousin was the female record holder for bench press at her school. Her record was 135lbs.

Any normal sized man who has never lifted before could get to that in 12 weeks on the Stronglifts program.

Oak said...

Any normal sized man who has never lifted before could get to that in 12 weeks on the Stronglifts program.

Any normal sized man would be able to lift that much almost by default, no?
I'm not really knowledgeable about such things but from personal experience, even as someone who wasn't very strong I could do 135 after several sessions. I think by 12 weeks in or not long after I was doing 110% of my bodyweight.

Vox said...

Any normal sized man would be able to lift that much almost by default, no?

It depends on your size. When I was 18, the first thing the university track program did was measure everything. I weighed 135 and couldn't bench my bodyweight. By the time I graduated, I weighed 165 and was benching 275.

Scalzi is a soft, unathletic little guy, only around 5'6" by the look of it, so it wouldn't be surprising that he couldn't do 135 right out of the gate.

vashine said...

There is so much wrong with Scalzi's post as to be nigh unbelievable. Easily a book's worth of psycho-sexual-socio exposition.

Poor daughter.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

Given his mannish wife, it doesn't surprise me that his daughter is stronger than him.

2870b918-77c0-11e3-b9bd-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Don't do that. Not if you have any interest in attractive female companionship.

In fairness to Scalzi, it doesn't appear that he has any interest in attractive female companionship.

Kyle said...

I look like a skinny hipster and I have absolutely no doubt that I could out-lift Scalzi. I wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't even do five proper-form pushups.

ajw308 said...

If she doesn't either go lesbian or run off with a biker gang, he'll be lucky.
That's assuming her only developmental obstacle is the lack of a father. There's also the SFWA pedophiliac sexual predators that could traumatize her.

vartank said...

how can any "man" not be able to lift more than 200lbs stretched across THREE lifts? Jesus.

RambleAround said...

'Scalzi' is just another word for fag.

http://www.sff.net/people/jchines/Pics/Scalzi%20Night.jpg

NMA said...

Of course Scalzi is now tweeting about how his daughter stood up for him after we all picked on him.

Feather Blade said...

Of course Scalzi is now tweeting about how his daughter stood up for him after we all picked on him.

Stood up for him how? She can't exactly say "my dad could beat up your dad!" now, can she?

Bike Bubba said...

OK, his daughter is in the 145 lb weight class, he's got to be similar or more; how on earth does he get out of bed in the morning if he can't out-lift his daughter? For that matter, how does she get out of bed in the morning or carry her books to school?

Vox said...

If your high school daughter can bench press more than you can, it doesn't mean you've failed as a man. It means you married an orc.

Stickwick Stapers said...

200 lbs total, and Scalzi couldn't beat that? I wonder if he's exaggerating for comic effect or you-go-girl self-deprecation. I'm rather strong for a woman -- my last total was 800 lbs at a bodyweight of 152 lbs -- and there are no males in my family over the age of 16 who couldn't beat that on a bad day.

Desiderius said...

cail,

"This isn't self-deprecation. This is something else....something creepy. As a side point, take a moment to imagine how his daughter is being raised to A) have an ego too large to fit in this universe, and B) look down on "nice" men from the start. If she doesn't either go lesbian or run off with a biker gang, he'll be lucky."

He's living vicariously through his daughter.

Millions of guys (not men) are - it's a major force driving the madness. You are exactly correct about the consequences.

Jill said...

Funny. I keep finding funny reads that help me procrastinate. This is almost certainly a "you go girl" thing. There is just no way this is possible unless he's an invalid. Don't laugh, but my 7-yr-old son is practically stronger than I am. I have only height to my advantage. But then I don't do hundreds of handstands in a day. Maybe Scalzi should start doing handstands. Or he could join the circus as the weak man.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

To the Gamma, being a strong man is also being an oppressive man. So of course he is not going to be able to out-lift his daughter because he finds it honorable to be physically weaker than women.

ScuzzaMan said...

Wait, ... what?

Scalzi reads Alpha Game?

What will his ilk say about that?

Doorstop said...

"It means you married an orc."

orc + gamma = Urak-scalzi

SQT said...

I agree with the suspicion that this is a "you go girl" thing-- but what a horrible parenting strategy. I would never want my husband to even think about letting my daughter think she's stronger than him. And what kind of man has to have his daughter defend him from anyone? So many levels of wrong here.

vashine said...

"It means you married an orc."

Ha. While 75% of the way through A Throne Of Bones (and enjoying it thoroughly), I am still anxiously awaiting the arrival of the detailed explanation of the orc courtship process (all 45 seconds of it) or the chapter when the silver-spoon-fed, House Falconius gamma is pussy-whipped (literally?!) into copulating with and marrying a female orc.

Oh how toothsomely the plot would thicken!!

Brad Andrews said...

I did see some pictures of his wife on Google that weren't as bad as the one linked here or VD earlier. She didn't look as bad in those.

http://fresnobeehive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/johnscalzi1.jpg

At least I assume that is his wife. I like thinner much more, but not as bad in this picture.

Was that his wife?

Brad Andrews said...

I should add that his look is pathetic in that photo though.

Retrenched said...

As Novaseeker once put it, the real engine of feminism is not women at all - it's men with daughters.

Gunnar von Cowtown said...

We know Scalzi isn't in his eighties, and I don't recall him mentioning any severe back problems? I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume his daughter was an extreme statistical outlier like Holley Mangold, but NMA's Google-fu resulting in a combined powerlifting total of 200 lbs put an end to that. A high school girl with at 200 lbs total is just peachy, but a grown-ass man? Just for context, if you are able to bench, squat and deadlift the bar with no weight on it, you're already totaling 135 lbs.

"I wonder if he's exaggerating for comic effect or you-go-girl self-deprecation?"
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. Regardless, I hope he sticks with it, grows strong and comes to realize that walking through the world as a fully-functioning biological male is actually pretty awesome. I'll add him to my prayer list.

LibertyPortraits said...

I get the feeling Scalzi knows what he's doing here. Vox has always said Scalzi was good at self-promotion, and I think Scalzi is a true believer in "no bad publicity." His traffic and popularity reached their apogee a few years ago and now he is trying to milk drama and attention via TheRedPill man-o-sphere and VD. He can also garner endless Rabbit support because every time he defends himself because of another one of his antics the Rabbits come together to support him and trumpet his method of self-defense. I bet you he got excited when VD posted this or shined the light on his tweet because these people don't seem to have any shame, they're willing to take whatever they can get because YOLO and stuff.

Doom said...

I just chuckle that this knucklehead would put, or allow, his daughter to be on the weight lifting team. Ten to one, she is taking roids or some equivalent. I had a niece who was in wrestling, on the boys team. She looked like a boy until she quit using. Ruined her body. She'll be a gimp for the rest of her life. At least she has returned to looking like a woman. Might be sterile though. Yeah women's equality! Idiot.

Bike Bubba said...

At a total lift of 200 lbs, Doom, I'm guessing she's not on steroids. That said, if indeed girls are taking "juice" to make the boys' wrestling teams, what a waste of femininity. Oy.

Markku said...

He likes Tootsie. What a shock.

I bet he likes Mrs. Doubtfire and The Crying Game too.

The CronoLink said...

The sad thing about Mrs Doubtfire is that they want to make the film about a loving father doing whatever for his kids... even though the plot makes it clear it's all his damn fault. They even mentioned that they also wanted to keep the divorce because kids should be aware that divorce can't be easily solved... even though the plot makes it clear it's all the damn idiot father's fault! It's funny and all but now I can see he doesn't deserve any sympathy at all. Gamma is still gamma.

Bike Bubba said...

All of Robin WIlliams' parts are like Mrs. Doubtfire. Ugh. I love some of his quips, but I can really only take his schtick in small doses. Maybe it's because he never seems to be paying attention to the other person--borderline narcissism. I have a thought that "Tootsie" is about the same way.

Or, pretty much what Cronolink says. Williams' work is to acting what Scalzi's workouts are to powerlifting. Ugh.

Michael Maier said...

"...even though the plot makes it clear it's all his damn fault."

???? What? She blindsides her husband. Even seeing it for the first time, I thought Sally Fields was being an unreasonable bitch. IIRC, "I'm UNHAAAAAAAPY!" is the total of her complaint and she never tried to work on her marriage.

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