This ad should suffice to illustrate why educational equality at the university level combined with career-prioritization is an unmitigated and dysgenic disaster for Western civilization. The cello may be her baby right now, the problem is that 20 years from now, her hair will be graying, the cello will be sitting in a storage closet, out of tune and unplayed, and in its place on the slide will be the woman's four cats that she "regards as her children".
And she won't thank those who encouraged her to "pursue her dreams" rather than telling her to get married and have children.
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Not likely to be the type of woman any self-respecting man wants to marry anyway.
We are so screwed.
Liberranter is right. Whether male or female, if you are prioritizing your career, you aren't the relationship prospect that you make yourself out to be. At best, Skyla has consigned herself to being rosin on the bow, and not much more.
There's a movement trying to get "childless" changed to "childfree" and to be seen as a positive lifestyle choice. They routinely mock those with children, revel in the fact that they get more sleep, and actively try to recruit others into being childfree. They proudly thrust this lifestyle choice in your face and attempt to force you to accept it as a healthy, positive thing.
Sad thing is, the women who buy into this movement would likely make terrible mothers anyway. It's a catch-22: children born to spoiled rotten brats who prefer sleep to motherhood or the destruction of western civilization?
It might not work out that way!
She could have dogs instead of cats.
There's a movement trying to get "childless" changed to "childfree" and to be seen as a positive lifestyle choice.
Time to bring back "barren". Or take the scientific approach and refer to them as "evolutionary dead ends".
And neither will her cello rise up, grab a shotgun or handgun, and put down the savages that have entered her community. Her cello won't have any little grandkid or great grandkid cellos to help her as she gets old or keep her nation from turning into some commie-musloid wasteland. Her cello won't stop government thugs or musloids from deciding to get a piece of easy ass from the childless whore with the cello down the street.
But, you know, she'll have had her career, and her cello skills, right?
The saddest thing is how blatant the secondary message is. Birth control = unlimited sex without consequences. Hey girls, be whores!! Give in to your fleshly desires, again and again and again, until you see not only yourself but men as mere masturbatory objects which you rub up against and get off on. Priorities!! Cello!! In the end, everything will work out!
Whores.
I think the word "barren" is considered unkind and judgmental towards the infertile - sort of like how widows and cruelly abandoned wives are the legitimizing force for welfare. However, as someone who has been there, when you can't have kids you don't feel "child free." You feel broken. Barren. You aren't saving any feelings by not using that word.
(And we now have a nine month old son with every prospect of having more children. For us it was simply a matter of getting some seemingly unrelated issues resolved, but I tell everyone to start early. I was a 22yo virgin who never used birth control, and it took seven years for us to have our son.)
"Not likely to be the type of woman any self-respecting man wants to marry anyway. "
"Whores."
"evolutionary dead ends".
"spoiled rotten brats "
"terrible mothers"
If I had believed for one moment that this is what men thought of me, I would have fallen in love with my cello too, and decided not to have to children.
Sad thing is, the women who buy into this movement would likely make terrible mothers anyway.
No, it's sadder than that: many of them could have made fine mothers. Women are very malleable in terms of direction in life; they tend to follow the lead of either the herd or the man to whom they've bonded. A girl who's been taught her entire life to put off bonding to a man -- have fun experiences with them, but don't get too attached -- and put career and hobbies ahead of marriage and children, may have made a great wife and mother if she hadn't been pushed away from marriage and told over and over that it would be a waste and a mistake to do it young.
Whether she's still have the ability to bond and be a good wife and mother when the baby rabies hit her in her 30s....that's another question.
Is there any finer example of Female Solipsism run riot than GG? Is there? I submit to you that there is not.
Cail - I suspect you're right. What the real message here seems to be is "You can put off being a grown-up forever!". I mean, having children isn't the only hallmark of having grown up, but it stands to reason that you raise much better children if you've grown up before having them.
And this ad is clearly saying "Don't grow up."
And she won't thank those who encouraged her to "pursue her dreams" rather than telling her to get married and have children.
Wrong. She will thank these guys. She will think that blame is on men. Men didn't want to marry this strong independent woman when the biological clock was ticking. This is why feminism is so successful. It is the only ideology that succeeds when it fails.
"Is there any finer example of Female Solipsism run riot than GG?"
Anytime I point out that men may be playing a role in the decline of Western civilization, I'm solipsistic. Figures.
Here's the deal, you can sit about feeling like a helpless victim of women who have lost their minds or you can acknowledge that men have the power to greatly change the story's ending.
Feminism has been so successful because it has played men, manipulated them with completely predictable results. Every time a woman considers letting go of feminism there is always a bunch of men feeding it, fueling the fire, blaming women, calling them whores. No woman in her right mind would relinquish power given those conditions
GG - you presume to believe that I as a man have any control over whether or not any particular woman spreads her legs for any man that happens by.
What power do we have to change anything except Game? And even then, we're still stuck with two generations of ruined women as a consequence of Feminism.
This is why I argue women should be barred from universities.
Disclosure: I'm long Friskies.
Hate to break it to ya GG, but yes, unmarried women who give into their carnal desires over, and over, and over again, with zero intention of actually having a child with their partner or partners, or having already been married to them, all lin the name of a 'relationship' or 'having fun' or 'being a woman', are whores. Yes, it's that simple. Makes you feel uncomfortable inside to hear that, but yes, it's fact.
You clearly have an emotional issues with that. Your problem.
And no, not everyone here disagrees that men in the West are not playing a role in its decline. We choose to focus more often on the role women play, as plenty of other media and internet outlets are not only completely mum on women's role but have plenty to say already about how 'bad' men are. We wish not to be just another voice blaming men for everything, as the vast majority of churches and media outlets do.
Your faulty logic, emotionally-driven thought processes, and inability to grasp the deeper issues at hand, over and over and over and over again, is a great example of the many things we point out to other men and women here in the manosphere. You do us all a great favor.
You're just not getting it. It's like you've hit your ceiling in a college level math class or engineering class and no matter how hard you try, you struggle to keep up. Time to change majors, you won't cut it. Time to stop trying to blame everyone else that it's their fault that you don't get it.
And you falling in love with your cello is exactly what we would want. You could have been playing the cello, mastering a skill that would enhance the lives of others, while waiting to find the one man whom you could get married to and therefore avoid all these scary words like "whore, horrible mother, evolutionary dead end". That is EXACTLY what we wish to see, that women and girls like you who just can't really get it, or cannot control their emotions enough to think through some of the deeper issues of life, will be so damned socially scared of being called a whore and being shamed for being a loud-mouthed harpie idiote, that they will stay inside and doing something good and productive until a man comes around who's willing to bang her. We want a society that teaches women and girls that running around trying to shame everyone else who dares to have standards, who dares to call a spade a spade, or a whore a whore, and hurt their little feeeeelings, is to be avoided at all costs.
How dare they speak, uh, truth! I would just give up on love if someone had dared to present standards and hold me to them!! Embrace the cello! Embrace the inner beauty of the cello! The inner beauty that has not standards!!
Why not appreciate the inner beauty (strenght) of a man who can call a whore what she is, openly and justly, with no apologies, in the hope that she will then actually better her own life, rise to a higher standard of living, and improve her own community in the process? That would mean you'd have to face your own past, and that just wouldn't be comfortable, now would it?
PS I will not respond to your response. It's really just not worth it. My life is far, far more valuable. You've shown yourself to be without reason and prone to spitting out emotional drivel without truly, deeply thinking. Makes me wonder how your father or brothers or uncles did you wrong so many times by not looking you straight in the eye as a teenager or young woman as you ran your mouth emotionally and mindlessly, and telling you "shut. the fuck. up. you're embarrassing yourself. and others."
Clearly your husband never has.
Ya. You really have your plans prioritized. Good lord...
Anytime I point out that men may be playing a role in the decline of Western civilization, I'm solipsistic. Figures.
No, you pathetic old bag, it's because all you ever fucking talk about is your own worthless self and how you feel about everything. This is what you said:
If I had believed for one moment that this is what men thought of me, I would have fallen in love with my cello too, and decided not to have to children.
That is a perfect example of solipsism. Four references to yourself in the only sentence you wrote about something that does not concern you in the slightest. Your sole concern is you and what you feel. Which is why no man should ever listen to anything you say.
The only reason I permit you to comment here is because otherwise men would not believe the true extent of female solipsism.
Makes me wonder how your father or brothers or uncles did you wrong so many times by not looking you straight in the eye as a teenager or young woman as you ran your mouth emotionally and mindlessly, and telling you "shut. the fuck. up. you're embarrassing yourself. and others."
Her husband, assuming he exists, is no doubt thanking God and anything else he can find that she's running her self-absorbed mouth off here instead of in his direction. One has to pity the poor bastard.
But it is a good lesson for the fathers and husbands and even brothers here. Teach the women in your life the importance of learning when to SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Forgive me for putting pearls before swine GG, but what the hell do you think you even are? Do you think of yourself as some unique sex-less dwarf that just munches condoms? I mean maybe you think you're a woman, but I mean what kind of fucked up woman doesn't want to have children eventually?
You mean in thirty years she won't be curled up in a rocking chair reading bedtime sonatas to her grandcello?
Anyway, interesting picture. Do the ol' switcheroo and imagine the implied message if that was a guy waiting to catch a briefcase coming down the slide.
But this is probably overall good news. The desire for children is still strong enough the misanthropes feel the need to address it.
GG never has a coherent or consistent position on anything. She contradicts herself from one thread to the next, sometimes within the same thread, and sometimes even within the same comment.
The only constant being her insistence that she's so much smarter than everyone and that we're all stupid and evil monsters for disagreeing with her.
"No, you pathetic old bag, it's because all you ever fucking talk about is your own worthless self and how you feel about everything."
Lovely way to talk to a Christian wife, mother, and grandmother Vox Day, one who has spent the last twenty years speaking out against feminism and advocating for men's rights. You are the one who is pathetic VD, because you can't even see beyond the tip of your ego.
You are fanning the fires of not only atheism but also feminism. You may not care, since you have left the country and are fairly well off, but some of us don't plan on laying down and submitting to the decline of Western civilization quietly. So you Vox Day should STFU, pull your head out of your self absorbed behind, and catch a bloody clue.
Skyla has consigned herself to being rosin on the bow, and not much more.
Pretty sure "Skyla" is the name of the drug being advertised, not the woman in the ad.
she won't thank those who encouraged her to "pursue her dreams" rather than telling her to get married and have children.
Suppose people did encourage her to get married and have kids, and she did so. Will her husband thank those people 7 years later when she frivorces him for cash and prizes? There's the Catch-22.
There's a movement trying to get "childless" changed to "childfree" and to be seen as a positive lifestyle choice.
That's been going on for decades. I don't think people want to do away with the word "childless" so much as introduce an alternative term which shows that an actual choice was made. Linguistic accuracy would call for "barren" to describe those who can't have children, "childfree" for those who could but choose not to, and "childless" as the umbrella word covering both cases.
She is not yet as sad as the white gals who work at the Illinois Secretary of State office handing out driver's licenses. Bitter, left behinder D-party voters mocked by the youthful replacements of color, that is cello chickies future.
The Skyla birth control IUD is blindingly simple to research; perhaps the commentariat might consider doing so before-the-fact in future.
That said, has no one else noticed the irony involved in objecting to music as an occupation suitable for motherhood and family life generally? Agreed, the ad focuses on the false-choice of music instead of baby(s) - which attitude is deserving of scorn, but is it really true that Game rejects female occupation outright? Must a "good woman" only ever apply her every waking moment to husband and child(ren) with nothing spared for herself?
There's a minor flaw in the design, if true.
Music is one of the activities that ought to be encouraged in any family structure, and the mother is the one best positioned within the family to encourage and expose children to the subject as part of the normal course of daily events. The fact a wife might (depending on more general family circumstances) also develop an occupation (and any work performed over a long enough timeline qualifies as a "career") as well from her musical talents can't be in itself objectionable to the tenants of Game*, can it?
I usually find these discussions interesting, but this one devolved into silly quite early.
* Yes, I have read enough to know that "it depends" is the fundamental answer.
GG: "Whores."
"evolutionary dead ends".
"spoiled rotten brats "
"terrible mothers"
Useless Eaters
There's a movement trying to get "childless" changed to "childfree" and to be seen as a positive lifestyle choice. They routinely mock those with children, revel in the fact that they get more sleep, and actively try to recruit others into being childfree. They proudly thrust this lifestyle choice in your face and attempt to force you to accept it as a healthy, positive thing.
They'll be changing their tune once they're old, broken down, and unable to do ANYTHING for themselves. That's when they'll regret not producing the children who would take care of them in their old age. (Oh, and should any of them think that dehWeffareStay will do the job for them, they can forget it. With the coming socioeconomic implosion, their beloved WeffareStay will be a thing of the past).
Let's hope that "Skyla's" cello (or the cats she'll be fostering as an old spinster) has some domestic and "caregiving" skills for her to fall back on. Methinks she's screwed.
@: They'll be changing their tune once they're old, broken down, and unable to do ANYTHING for themselves. That's when they'll regret not producing the children who would take care of them in their old age.
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And they will use their newfound wisdom to advise younger women to do exactly what they now regret.
Care in your old age is not a reason to have children. The money you would have spent to raise them will be quite enough to pay for a professional to do that job, especially if you buy long-term care insurance starting in your 40's or 50's.
Sure, until the insurance company goes bankrupt trying to comply with government regulations and takes all your hard-earned scratch to oblivion with it.
So, GG... please femalesplain to me.
In your mind men pointing out that whores whore justifies whoring?
If I had believed for one moment that this is what men thought of me, I would have fallen in love with my cello too, and decided not to have to children.
Well we know a woman has "married" her dog, another "married" a bridge, and just recently a woman "married" an alligator. You could have been the 1st to "marry" a cello being in love with it and all.
Is there any finer example of Female Solipsism run riot than GG
Have you ever heard of:
Doomed Harlot?
Livingtree(some numbers here)?
T?
They could all give GG a run for her money.
No woman in her right mind would relinquish power given those conditions
No woman in her right mind would willingly retain such power to begin with. She would reject such a proposition outright. If she actually is considering letting go of feminism she may be pointed in the right direction, but she has yet to reach the destination.
In other words, a woman who has embraced feminism is not in her right mind and won't be until she is no longer a feminist.
Care in your old age is not a reason to have children. The money you would have spent to raise them will be quite enough to pay for a professional to do that job, especially if you buy long-term care insurance starting in your 40's or 50's.
When you're 85 and your roof leaks, you need a 25 year old to go up there and fix it. If you didn't supply society with one via having grandkids, you'll need to rely on the kindness of someone else's grandkid to fix your roof.
Yes, yes, money I hear you say. That'll make up for it. Interesting philosophical position... Oh well, it's July, we've got months before A Christmas Carol is playing on TV again.
Kinda sorta related...
http://hereticalsex.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-did-feminists-attack-family.html
Jack, if my roof leaks when I'm 85 I'll call a roofer to fix it. If my roof had leaked when I was 25 I'd have done the same.
GG,
We have no idea of your background. Oh, we didn't know that "GG" has spent the last twenty years fighting feminism? How did we not know that? What do you think the reason is for this blog existing? The mere existence of this blog is an affront to feminism and the powers that be.
Have you ever put down the mirror long enough to think about what we, the readers, do outside of this blog? Since we all use pseudonyms, you have no idea who runs this blog. You have no idea who we are and what we might have done. One of us orchestrated and spoke at the armed rally in October at The Alamo which featured 800 men with rifles. What have you done?
The cello just about pegs out the meter in terms of expensive degrees for an unemployable profession. Being a mother who spends most of her time at home is about the only way to pursue instruments like the cello without being a bankrupt debt slave.
Look at the subliminal message. Her legs are spread and what she wants is on the way. Look at the shape of the slide, long curving and phallic. Be free and enjoy the great sex. They're selling the carousel.
Jack, if my roof leaks when I'm 85 I'll call a roofer to fix it. If my roof had leaked when I was 25 I'd have done the same.
I assumed you wouldn't get it. This is one of those things that fit's Vox's tag line for this blog.
Jack, maybe I didn't get what you were saying, but I don't think you got my point either. When you said "Yes, yes, money I hear you say. That'll make up for it. Interesting philosophical position", I assume that "it" is love for and from one's family. When I said "Care in your old age is not a reason to have children", I was talking only about getting help with the physical needs brought on by old age, which is something that can be taken care of with money.
Of course, if family closeness is important to you and fills an emotional need, that's an excellent reason to have children. But if that's not the case when you're younger, I don't think it will suddenly become so at 85. (I'll be a test case for that; I'm childless by choice and only 20 years short of 85.)
2870b918-77c0-11e3-b9bd-000bcdcb8a73 said...
Um, dearie, have you paid any attention to the modern history of the dollar (or any other fiat currency's history)?
I didn't think so. If you had, you would have noticed one --AND ONLY ONE-- trend: devsluation through continuous inflation over time (ever wonder how the U.S. dollar has lost 96% of its purchasing power over the last 100 years, the bulk of it within the last 30 years alone? And no, it is NOT because "things just cost more").
In other words, dearie, whatever money you try to save over the course of seven or eight decades will be worthh so little by the time you're forced to rely on it in your dotage that you'll essentially be penniless. Unless you have EXTREMELY generous and understanding younger friends or relatives who are willing to burden themselves with you at a point in your life where you're most demanding of their time and resources, OR you want to turn what very little money (of ever-depreciating value) that you do have over to a caregiver for your room, board, and medicine (money certainly not to last long), you will be well and truly screwed.
I wonder do some women or perhaps all women, actually want to be alone with cats or a cello? Do they really think that's going to make them happy in their 40's, 50's, and 60's? This is the epitome of a clueless woman who wants a man to appreciate her 59 year old body:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-korth/sex-over-50_b_5563576.html
Uh yes, you're with a man who is not your husband. He prefers younger women. He's not clueless you are. Had you stayed with the husband of your youth, he would have had his wife goggles on and still found you attractive remembering your 20 something self. But alas, this 50 year old man now sees you for your 59 year old body. I'm not sure if you're widowed, never got married, or divorced but clearly you are a clueless lady. - Read the comments, can't believe how solipsistic most women are!
Look at the subliminal message.
Subliminal means below the sensory threshold. The pose and the slide are hardly difficult to see.
Perhaps you mean the camoflaged message (that which is in plain sight, but not immediately noticeable).
By the way, there is no such thing as a subliminal visual image -- back in WW2, during a silhoutte recognition class, in which slides were projected on a screen for a brief instant (the projector had a shutter on the lens), a fighter-pilot trainee complained that 1/30th of a second was too short of a time to identify a silhoutte. The instructor said, something to the effect of, "oh, I see" reached for a new slide, and dialed down the shutter speed to 1/500 of a second.
Not a single pilot in the class failed to idenity the nude female silhoutte.
ijw308..
"Subliminal" is a word that was introduced with a paper which was fraudulent, and when peers raran the experiment and failed to produce even similar results, the original author admitted that the paper was a fraud and a hoax. The paper was published in 1957, and retracted in 1959.
Please, do not perpetuate stupid nonsense which has been both PROVEN AND ADMITTED TO BE nonsense for 55 years.
I assume that "it" is love for and from one's family.
No, that wasn't it at all, not even close. Though, sure, that's not a bad thing.
"Care in your old age is not a reason to have children",
Care for you? Eh, not important in the grand scheme of things. Care for society? Hmmm... Care for the civilization your ancestors were generous enough to bequeath to you? And the civilization your ancestors maybe thought you might pass on in more or less reasonable condition to someone after you?
Après vous, le deluge, I guess.
Or were you counting on someone else's grandchildren to fix your roof? Er, I mean, carry on civilization?
"Subliminal" is a word that was introduced with a paper which was fraudulent, and when peers raran the experiment and failed to produce even similar results, the original author admitted that the paper was a fraud and a hoax. The paper was published in 1957, and retracted in 1959.
Please, do not perpetuate stupid nonsense which has been both PROVEN AND ADMITTED TO BE nonsense for 55 years."
@Vox
They're posting photoshops of this image now: http://mpcdot.com/forums/topic/7596-return-of-kings-trolls-feminists/page__st__100#entry178774
The whole comment stream on the Huff-po page is filled with female self-delusion. AND ANGER...
It should be clear from "in your old age" that I'm talking about one's own personal care. The work of preserving civilization goes on whether you're 45, 65, 85 or dead. If you're having children in the hope that they'll care for civilization after you're gone, nothing wrong with that.
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If you're having children in the hope that they'll care for civilization after you're gone, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, so, you keep missing the point. Did you leave anybody behind to carry on after you're gone, or are you counting on someone else to have done that? Or, more likely, you just don't give a damn. You're happy to squander everything you inherited. Let someone else worry about the future.
If you're not a Baby Boomer in actual age, you are one in spirit.
Lets get real here.
The ads are basically saying "A kid with a beta male is a loser proposition. Hold out till you get an ALPHA male!"
Hierarchy: Alpha>Cello>Beta Male. I'd bet any number of young women would be HAPPY to have, say Justin Timberlake's kid. With or without Timberlake as husband.
So lets get real here. The women are not abandoning motherhood in the ads for a cello or camera. They are abandoning motherhood with BETA MALES or lower (Alphas are at best 10% of the population). The message is keep your womb dry for that Alpha male.
To bluntly ugly and honest about it.
Vashine wrote: **Hate to break it to ya GG**
Hate to break it to you, Vashine, but systematically sexually abusing women when they are children, or telling them that according to the bible, they are to 'submit' to a man who wants to fuck them when they are in labor, or kill their children, is hardly likely to convince women to want to have sex as adults, or to get married, or to have children. Perhaps it is MEN who need to consider that if they want civilization to continue, and for women to get married and have children, they need to get over themselves and their desire to do whatever they want, instantaneously, on demand, like spoiled children.
Ann Morgan said...
Vashine wrote: **Hate to break it to ya GG**
Hate to break it to you, Vashine, but systematically sexually abusing women when they are children, or telling them that according to the bible, they are to 'submit' to a man who wants to fuck them when they are in labor, or kill their children, is hardly likely to convince women to want to have sex as adults, or to get married, or to have children. Perhaps it is MEN who need to consider that if they want civilization to continue, and for women to get married and have children, they need to get over themselves and their desire to do whatever they want, instantaneously, on demand, like spoiled children.
Nice strawman, twit.
**Nice strawman, twit.**
Nice handwaving away of reality, and what has been posted on these boards. Moron.
My wife is a skilled musician and took up the cello 4 years ago. Her instructor was a 28 year old with a MS or MFA in music trying to get into the local symphony. Lovely girl; talented, sweet, pretty. The wife worked with her for 2 years but switched teachers for some scheduling reason I don't recall after that.
My sons and I loved to listen to her in her craft room practicing as we played video games. When she became pregnant (shortly after changing teachers) she packed away her cello.
About 2 months ago, when the little guy was older, the wife called and made called her first instructor to restart lessons. She went and was gone a bit longer than I recall. When she returned she told me that as they were setting up the instructor had mentioned she missed teaching my wife and asked how lessons had been. My wife explained that she hadn't taken lessons in 2 years while she was pregnant and the baby was little.
My wife said the teacher became very still and said 'oh. A baby. How old are you?'
'42'
'Then I still have time! I'm only 32. If you can have your first so late in life...'
'He is my fifth. I have 5 sons. The oldest is in college'
The poor girl started crying. My wife comforted her for over an hour as she sobbed and spoke about how she didn't know 'having everything' didn't include a husband and children.
These poor women are being deceived.
My poor mom has the book, I mean THE BOOK; my life with cats or how cats saved my life or for the love of a cat.
Oh well, poor mom.
Some titles like that, I could look but its wayy too depressing.
**Nice strawman, twit.**
Nice handwaving away of reality, and what has been posted on these boards. Moron.
I do so apologize, I totally used the wrong vowel there.
I am vague on what you mean by "systematically sexually abusing children". But I remember previous discussions just fine. And you're a twat because your "concerns" are as valid as it would be to not have kids because you're worrying about Our God Almighty ordering you to murder your firstborn. It's a concern over something that will not happen. (And.... didn't anyway but that's something idiots always manage to overlook.)
You manage to be even more obnoxious than baby murderers harping on rape and incest.
My third grade Teacher recently died, unmarried at 109 years old.
She was referred to as an "Old Maid school teacher" We called her the book throwing terror, when she caught you napping, playing, talking or failing she threw a book at you.
Worked well till she hit a prominent political figures little daughter in the face and broke her cute little nose by poor aim one day after which she retired.
Her later years were filled with visits from her teacher's pets.
We teachers targets stayed well clear of her throwing arm!
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