Wednesday, May 28, 2014

A false indictment

Blaming the Androsphere for PUAHater Elliot Rodger's actions is akin to blaming the NAACP for the lynching of black men:
In Elliot Rodger's YouTube "manifesto", recorded before he killed six in Isla Vista, California, he said his actions were provoked by women who spurned his romantic advances in favour of men he considered less appealing.

This led to the creation of the #YesAllWomen Twitter hashtag, with women sharing stories of sexual harassment and assault as a push back against those who dismissed Rodger's views as the rantings of a mentally ill individual.

Another debate over gender and sex has arisen from Rodger's use of language often associated with the "pick-up artist" (PUA) community, and news reports indicate that he took interest in the techniques and views espoused by a subculture that seeks to offer advice on how men can be more successful at attracting members of the opposite sex.

This advice, critics say, objectifies women and may have fuelled Rodger's anger. Bustle's Sarah Hedgecock offers her take on the PUA world:

Dedicated to having sex with women determined to score at least 7 out of 10 on the PUA scale of attractiveness, these men trade tips for scoring "targets" (yes, that's code for "women") and becoming the dominant dudes they believe all women truly want to sleep with. These are the guys who try to pick women up by insulting - or "negging" - them. The beliefs that women control the sexual market, that one is owed sex for doing favours for women, that girls only sleep with jerks and that there is one true key to getting all the (straight, hetero, unattached) sex a man could want form the basic creed of the PUA community. Women, in PUA culture, are not humans deserving of respect; they are a necessary evil to conquer in the name of sex.
It would be very difficult to get the basic concepts of Game more wrong than Ms Hedgecock has managed to do. Let's consider her statements:
  1. Dedicated to having sex with 7+ women? Wrong. Game is all about setting reasonable targets; a gamma is never going to score an HB7+. It's about improvement no matter where a man begins.
  2. Trading tips? Fair enough. Check.
  3. Becoming dominant dudes that women want sexually? It's an exaggeration, but close enough. Check.
  4. Guys who try to pick up women by insulting them. Wrong. Some players neg. Others don't. Negging is just one tool in a very large toolbox.
  5. Believe that women control the sexual market. Check. They do.
  6. One is owed sex for doing favors for women? Wrong. That's literal delta anti-Game.
  7. Girls only sleep with jerks? Wrong. They PREFER jerks, but they'll reliably exchange sex for support once the Wall begins to loom.
  8. There is one true key? Wrong. Hence the size of the toolbox.
  9. Women are not humans deserving of respect. Wrong. Because women are human, they do not intrinsically deserve respect on the basis of possessing a vagina.
  10. Women are a necessary evil to conquer. Absolutely wrong. Who said anything about necessary? Now, they are societally necessary when taken in the collective, but the core of the player's abundance mentality is the understanding that no individual woman is necessary or irreplaceable.
Elliot Rodgers had two chances. God and Game. Either could have saved him. He rejected both. And so to blame either is absurd on its face.

49 comments:

Tim Schaeffer said...

“Women, in PUA culture, are not humans deserving of respect...”

I bet she loves Beyouncy:

“You must not know 'bout me,
You must not know 'bout me;
I could have another you in a minute
And in fact he'll be here in a minute.
Don't you ever for a minute get to thinking you're irreplacable...”

Respect!

What a pack of self-ignorant children.

Antonio From Spain said...

On a related note: http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=117161 “Why are all mass murderers Democrats?”

According to this link:

~ Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Reg­istered Democrat and Muslim.
~ Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter
~ Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
~ James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu­py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
~ Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
~ Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
~ James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
~ Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
~ Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
~ Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
~ Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.
~Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy…
~ Leon Czolgosz, Leftist/anarchist – killed W. McKinley, 25th president – a Republican.
~ Charles Guiteau, psychopath, felt he was “owed” something, killed Garfield, 20th president – a Republican.”

The Social Pathologist said...

You miss the point.

They're deliberately trying to form an pavlovian association in the minds of the public. Trying to debate them logically is as futile as is arguing with them. Don't waste your time trying to point out the inaccuracies and lies. Rather, counter associate. Feminist=Fat=Unlovable=unarriageable=barren.

As soon as the manosphere starts defending itself it starts looking weak. Remember, they're not about fair play.

With regard to Elliot Rogers the reply should be simple. "He was a loser, we're about self improvement. Now fuck off."

Antonio From Spain said...

Trying to debate them logically is as futile as is arguing with them.

Or as mark Twain said: “Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

Vox said...

You miss the point.

I don't miss the point at all. I am not responding rhetorically to the woman. I am writing a dialectic critique to demonstrate the lunacy of the woman's rhetoric to the readers of this blog.

Not everyone lives in the limited world of the rhetorical like you.

The Social Pathologist said...

I'm not in a pissing contest with you.

Arguing with a madman/feminist achieves nothing except them placing you in a defensive frame to other onlookers.
And a defensive frame gives others the impression that the other is justified. They're not interested in the facts, they're interested in wiping you out. This is psyche ops.

Roosh's response to the BBC was perfect, he went on the attack.

Learn.





vashine said...

Amen Vox.

Social Pathologist, stop being a douche. Learn. (How does that feel?)

Vox said...

Roosh's response to the BBC was perfect, he went on the attack. Learn.

Roosh was TALKING TO THE BBC, moron. I am not. If you don't want to get pissed on, I strongly suggest you stop telling others what to do.

Now sit down and shut up.

Cataline Sergius said...

As of this posting, Roosh's article is number 2 on the Google if you search for Elliot Rodger PUA. That's the unexpected good news.

The completely predictable bad news is, everything else reads like the Daily Mails headline:Women Hating Pick Up Artist Groups Laud Virgin Killer Vile Murderous Comments Online.

No getting around it, I'm rather impressed with amount of disinformation that could be packed into only 13 words.

The NRA wasn't named as accomplice, which frankly surprises me. That was probably (regretfully of course) edited out for space.

Not that the NRA is being allowed to getaway with having caused this rampage of course. Never let a tragedy go to waste, when it can used for any kind of political gain. The murderous virgin's sperm donor, followed Hollywood script and blamed the NRA right on que. Rather than accept any blame for not providing a positive male role model for his son.

Not to be grizzly here but ugly fact one: half the people Rodger murdered were stabbed to death. A knife is not a gun.

Ugly fact two: If this kid had been raised in gun culture, the body count would have been a lot higher. He was firing a pistol from a moving vehicle. The only thing he knew about marksmanship was what he learned from video games.

Doom said...

Come on, this is a woman raised in a world where she believes she is both a victim and equal. Don't expect logic from the mouth of that horse. She won't, possibly can't, drink water, even when lead to it. She's probably in a relationship, even if it's with a woman, that employs the exact tactics she discounts, but she wouldn't know because... all "that stuff" is handled by the packagers and delivery people. *grins*

Glen Filthie said...

Oh fer fuck sakes. The kid was a nutter! He went from having a tough sex life to pulling a pistol and blowing away six hapless souls! Vox - this guy has NOTHING to teach young men today. He has NOTHING to offer the feminists and other turd brains trying to make miles with this blood dance. The only value this boy has is as a puzzle for psychologists and scientists to debate over. Any resemblance he had to your average young man is purely coincidental.
Shit happens. Honour the victims, bury the bodies, and for chrissakes let us move on.

Cataline Sergius said...

Mind you Peter Rodger has been quite the piece of work on this whole thing.

You will note he rushed out a statement to press hours before his son's name had been released by the police. At the time you might have thought that was a little unusual. After all when these tragedies occur, you usually don't find out that detail until the authorities release it. Families, understandably are in no hurry to take the blame for one of their own.

I was briefly working with a public affairs officer and his slogan was: Maximum Disclosure Minimum Time and You Control the Narrative.

Scott said...

God and Game. Either could have saved him. He rejected both.

They'll probably blame Christians next

Cataline Sergius said...

@Scott

Nope they are blaming Judd Apatow and Seth Rogen. We've lumped in Hollywood celebrities It's True!!!

Now I personally think Seth Lord Choom Wagon Rogen is pretty wide of the mark.

Judd Apatow on the other hand seems to have some fundamental understanding of Game. Look at the Lloyd Haythe character from Undeclared. On the other hand he is also the executive producer of Girls so I could be really wrong about that one.

Hanns Strudle extra gooey said...

Snot nosed little brats need to be told "no" from an early age; whether it's at the local department store in the toy aisle or at home at supper time, complaining about having to eat broccoli instead of pizza. It would defiantly soften the inevitable gut-punch of hearing the purdy lil' gal say "no" to the advances you took in the hallway inbetween math and history classes.

trunthepaige said...

I hate to say it, but what Amanda Marcotte claims to have seen in the PUA community really is a strong undercurrent in it. A lot of the guys trying to work on their game really are bitter pissed off guys and it shows. Disrespect for woman in general is common. The bitterness seen in the manosphere, is not half as bad as the misandry I have seen in feminist discussions. Misogyny really is seen here but it's not the point of the place and it is not the majority opinion. The manosphere had nothing to do with Elliot Rodger. Outside of his noticeable hate for alphas and his targeting and murdering of Delta's, I see no connection. I really doubt his hate of other men came from PUA websites.

Vox said...

I hate to say it, but what Amanda Marcotte claims to have seen in the PUA community really is a strong undercurrent in it. A lot of the guys trying to work on their game really are bitter pissed off guys and it shows.

Of course. But what she's completely missing is that they're not bitter because of Game or anything they learned in the PUA community. They're bitter because of the way they have been treated by women, and the way they have been lied to by society.

She's acting as if the chemo caused the cancer.

trunthepaige said...

"She's acting as if the chemo caused the cancer"

Vox that is spot on

PhantomZodak said...

the good thing is that as men search for more info & learn about the manosphere because of that loser. blogs like this one, explain the difference to those men & some of them will take the red pill.

Retrenched said...

“Every girl deserves a knight in shining armor to sweep her off her feet and take her breath away...”
...
“Nice guys feel SOOOOO entitled to sex! OMG SOOOO disgusting and CREEPY...”

Ah, women...

tweell said...

So... this disturbed man killed four men and two women, but it's all about the women. Obviously dead men don't count in today's USA, the media narrative cannot be changed for mere facts. Sigh.

Dominic Saltarelli said...

Sure, manosphere gets a lot of hate, but when are they going to start seriously attacking reggae? Surely there are worse things than a guy who mostly kills other guys.

For example:
"You ugly like a rhinos
Twerk it like Miley Cyrus!"

Or this classic:
"Boooom boooom booooom boooom!"

And of course:
"??????....
....???????"

CarpeOro said...

I made a comment on the Chateau that dismissing him as a closet homosexual was ceding the frame to the progressives. That a real mentor and God missing from a generally horrible life left little hope for him.

Amir said...

So... this disturbed man killed four men and two women, but it's all about the women.

Word.

de ti said...

We can all see the plan of attack the Cathedral will use.

1. The Manosphere is a collection of Bitter Insecure Losers Who Can’t Get Laid. They are a ragtag amalgam of

A Archie Bunker-style racists and sexists;

B redneck dumbasses who drink shitty beer and rebel yell with the gun racks in the back of the pickup trucks;

C overweight, white, middle class, micropenised schlubs

D video game playing, basement dwelling neckbeards;

E. Divorced men seething with rage and seeking revenge

F all other men who couldn’t “make a relationship work”

2. Manosphere = Pick-up artists. The countryside will be overrun with pickup artists seeking sex with everything that moves. Therefore, the manosphere promotes rape and rape culture.

3. Men come to the Manosphere solely and only to learn how to get their dicks wet.

4. Men who frequent the manosphere hate women.

5. Men who frequent the manosphere believe they are entitled to sex.

6. The Manosphere advocates violence, predation and dangerous activity, and are a clear and present danger to good and lawful order. There is imminent lawless activity, open advocation of lawbreaking and disobedience to lawfully constituted authorities; men openly flouting antisexism laws, men openly agitating against established sex harassment policy and procedure; antigovernment sentiment, and all other manner of illegal and threatened illegal activity. The Manosphere is a criminal enterprise.

ray said...

"Elliot Rodgers had two chances. God and Game. Either could have saved him."


God and Almighty Game are equivalent. Both have the power of salvation over human beings. Because, you know, the fabulous Mr. SuperIntelligence and his Gameboy clique thought up a few new names for 50's pickup nonsense, then spent the past six or seven years blitzing the net, including announcing that they invented the manosphere. (After arriving a couple decades tardy.) LOL! So now your miraculous, salvatory System is equivalent to God? That didn't take long! Fast-food faith.


Good luck with your Game God, with your Libertarianism, with your civilization-saving. It's nothing to do with Christ, nor with the Creator of this universe. You are godlings unto yourselves, just as your PUA-in-Chief desired from the beginning. We'll see how that works out.

JohnR219 said...

The story has already fallen off of Drudge...

Forgotten in a week....

JohnR219 said...

The story has already fallen off of Drudge...

Forgotten in a week....

Dominic Saltarelli said...

ray said...
"'Elliot Rodgers had two chances. God and Game. Either could have saved him.'


God and Almighty Game are equivalent. Both have the power of salvation over human beings. Because, you know, the fabulous Mr. SuperIntelligence and his Gameboy clique thought up a few new names for 50's pickup nonsense, then spent the past six or seven years blitzing the net, including announcing..."



"...that this tragedy could have been avoided if only not just he boy in question, but society as a whole simply took a more realistic viewpoint regarding human nature..."

Snickers.

Because you're not you when you're hungry.

FALPhil said...

Glen Filthie said, "He went from having a tough sex life to pulling a pistol and blowing away six hapless souls!"

Actually, he knifed the first three. That's a particularly personal way to kill someone. Nobody has analyzed that aspect from what I have read, but somehow it seems relevant. I just cannot put my finger on what to infer from it.

Markku said...

God and Almighty Game are equivalent. Both have the power of salvation over human beings

A little reading comprehension, please. Saved him from killing himself and others. Not saved him from Hell.

GG said...

Bullshit Markku, there's no reading comprehension problem here. It's flat out idolatry.

Twisted around this warped perception of game is what amounts to goddess worship, teaching men to find their sense of self worth in women and not their Creator. Listen to yourselves, Markku, and wake the heck up.

Doorstop said...

If valuing a woman's perception is idolatry, GG, then please go away for good and stop "tempting" us to agree with you. SMH. And if God is the only person we need instructing us, then you AND ray should both go, lest we call you blasphemers for taking up God's role by your own definition. Next you'll both be saying that women base their status too much on things like weddings, children and university degrees, and therefore wedding planners, fertility doctors, college professors, and career counselors are promoting idolatry. Because Bible.

No one here is afraid of anything either of you have to say. Speaking for myself, I'm just astounded at how retarded and conceited it sounds. I'd almost wonder if you were both spouses, except ray strikes me as a bitter MGOW, while you strike me as an attention whore with a chaotic streak directly proportional to the amount of pot brownies you consume.

Conscientia Republicae said...

GG and Ray both went full retard at the exact same time. Isn't that some kind of space-time rift?

cailcorishev said...

"Went"?

Conscientia Republicae said...

Current scientific metrological instruments have their limits, Cail.

mickeypavic said...

I have always wondered why liberals pursued such a vehement anti clericalism during the 19th century effectively dismantling thousands of monastic orders (a subject untouched by the 'sphere).

Given the observation that 'some are born eunuchs', I wonder whether the likes of Elliot in a bygone era would have pursued a happy existence in a monastic order rather than being forced into the malaise of the sexual market for which he was never prepared.

Liberals are doubly cruel, they forcefully removed the safety net for these types and then criticize them when they don't land on their feet.

LP 999/Eliza said...

As usual, an excellent, astute post that promotes reality in a our times. Still for me, being a tad emo, its very sad of a loss of life. perhaps was preventable, with the rejection of reality, Game, God, a deeper understanding iof the mostly flippancy of women, why couldn't he take women less seriously? perhaps he could have found a girl someplace may not or may have chilled him out, I don't know, it appears that we never know what is swarming in the minds of omegas.

LP 999/Eliza said...

why couldn't he be content with his wealth?

anyways, MK's reminder of fear of a blank planet was timely. PT has remained in back of my mind for a few years now, considering its a old yet prophetic/observant look at the reality of growing up, hitting one's 20's in this day and age. a part of me blames society's lies to men, men are not allowed to men in our era.

Jack Amok said...

She's acting as if the chemo caused the cancer

Well, this did happen in California. While my Dad was in the hospital down there for surgery a few years ago, my brother and I went to get some fresh air after visiting with him. We stood talking just outside the main door. To the left was the door to the Oncology wing of the hospital. A huge sign on the door said "WARNING!!! This facility contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer!"

Whiskey said...

All men should be born with the cooking abilityf Bobby Flay which came to him as a gift from God and he never had to work for it. Cooking schools, Food Network, Youtube videos, cookbooks, will do nithing for a man. He's either Wolfgang Puck or he's not. No improvement is ever possible and it cheats women of knowing who was genetically gifted with culinary mastery and who was not.

That amounts to the attitude. Women hate hate hate self improvementin men. They want a few genetic winners and the rest losers eternal.

Me? I've vastly improved my cooking skills, my healthy eating, my food budget. I can cook things I never thought possible, from home made biscuits, apple turnovers, pies, to pork chile verde, arroz con pollo, a whole thanksgiving dinner complete with chestnut stuffing and home made pies, to fish stew and home made fried chicken. Finish the latter in the oven btw.

Am I Bobby Flay or Gordon Ramsey? No. But I eat tastier, healthier, and cheaper than before.

Game is like cooking. Only a few will be master chefs but all can improve their lives.

The real objection is women want only the genetic winners. They don't want self improvement bc its cheating by their lights.

Doorstop said...

"The real objection is women want only the genetic winners. They don't want self improvement bc its cheating by their lights."

That's an interesting observation, Whiskey. Not sure how accurate it is, but if true, it would be especially hypocritical if such a viewpoint was held by those women who use paint, padding, and dye to fake the indicators of genetic fitness, and starve themselves to keep a shapely figure just long enough to earn a wedding ring.

Desiderius said...

"Roosh was TALKING TO THE BBC, moron. I am not. If you don't want to get pissed on, I strongly suggest you stop telling others what to do.

Now sit down and shut up."

Ah, hazing the new guy. Good times.

The Social Pathologist has a website that's worth a good read.

Retrenched said...

@ Whiskey

Well, yeah. Women generally don't 'get' self-improvement because it's alien to their natures.

Hitting the weights, practicing the guitar, scribbling and scribbling until you can draw it just right... those are guy things.

Believing that you deserve everything you want 'just because' and that people who don't give it to you are stealing from you... that's a girl thing.

That's why entitlement, whining and bitchiness in men are so disgusting to women. They are feminine traits. And women want men who act like men, not men who think and act like women. And why wouldn't they?

Michael Maier said...

Sorry, OT:
@ Whiskey: care to share you recipe / thoughts on fried chicken?
mmaier2112@sbcglobal.net.

Thanks. :)

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