Saturday, January 18, 2014
Female sexism
Imagine if this ad was recreated, but the man was repeatedly disappointed because all the women he kept meeting had small breasts. Then, at the end, he sees a woman from behind who has a slim build and a small butt, and he sighs, but then she turns around to reveal a spectacular pair of DDs!
That would be considered sexist despite the fact that women have considerably more control over their breast size than men do over their height. But this VW ad is not, because Female Imperative.
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Of course, Vox. It's the same thing with fat acceptance. It only extends to women. (Of course, men can get fat acceptance with enough money...)
It's also largely the same with all the penis enlargement ads and such -- men are worried about this for a reason, it didn't just spring up out of nowhere. But there aren't many ads for "make your vagina tighter TODAY!"
Because calling a woman loose is SEXISS. Even though they have more control over that than men do over penis size, as well.
Women are judged mostly on things they can control (weight, breast size, vagina awesomeness scale).
Men's qualities aren't as easy to fix (height, dick size, success level -- this one takes YEARS in the current slanted economy).
Excessive height is generally considered a negative trait for women.
Ask a group of women which they would rather be: thin and over 6 ft tall, or fat and short; and almost all of them would chose fat and short.
This ad makes as much fun of tall women as it does short men. And if you think short men get made fun of, talk to an extremely tall woman sometime and you'll find they get the same treatment.
Well your idea Vox would just be ridiculous because feminine beauty complete with large breasts would strike awful fear into every single male who would even consider driving a Volkswagen and they would in turn associate the brand with their sexual neurosis...Yeah, terrible marketing.
It's almost like women's obsession with very tall men isn't good for their female offspring.
I've thought something similar listening to music on the radio. Many songs performed by women sound arrogant when you imagine a man singing them.
This ad makes as much fun of tall women as it does short men.
It does nothing of the sort. The entire ad is from her perspective. We are meant to sympathize with her when the little VW pulls up and she sadly assumes it is being driven by another short man. That's the whole point of the ad, drawing attention to the fact that the little VW's interior is bigger than it looks from the outside.
As a general rule, men don't mind taller women anywhere nearly as much as women dislike shorter men.
Tall women are neglected, no matter how they look.
I've known men who had a thing for tall women. I can't say I've ever known a woman who was into shorter men. When you see a 6'4" spinster, I'd say that's usually because she just never found someone interesting enough out of the small subset of men taller than her. There would have been short men who were turned on by her height, but she wanted a 6'8" guy and they're all dating NBA cheerleaders.
@Conscientia Republicae said...
Tall women are neglected, no matter how they look.
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Yes and no. Yes, in the same way short men can be neglected. No, in the fact that I've known a lot of gorgeous women who set their sites too high (no pun intended) and wouldn't accept a guy that wasn't well over 6 ft.
However, this is something most men will feel absolutely zero sympathy for. Most men are used to being considered ineligible by a majority of women, and those who don't know what that feels like are alpha males who aren't inclined to care about the feelings of women ineligible for their stable.
"That's a tall bitch!"
"Look out, it's Bigfoot!"
"(COUGH)Behemoth!"
"Because calling a woman loose is SEXISS. Even though they have more control over that than men do over penis size, as well. "
That's a damn good point there. Maybe we should start "Non-Kegel Shaming"?
I've been thinking lately that its just as "shallow" to value someone for their sense of humor as it is for a nice body. And yet every woman in the world says something along the lines of 'I like a guy who can make me laugh'. What she's saying is likes guys who can make her brain feel good. That's fine, looking at and putting my hands on a nice rack makes my brain feel good too.
Tall women are neglected, no matter how they look.
Horseshit. Otherwise moderately attractive Russian tennis players wouldn't get anywhere without skill (Anna Kournikova, who never won a major IIRC) I've never known a man to see a tall woman with long, thin legs and not look. A tall woman with short legs and a long body might be more apt to be overlooked; most men aren't into horses.
Anna Kournikova is 5' 8". Tall for a woman, but still shorter than the median height of American men (5' 10").
I'm talking about women over 6 foot tall.
Vox said: "As a general rule, men don't mind taller women anywhere nearly as much as women dislike shorter men"
I agree with that. I know one woman who is as tall as I am--6' 4". She is attractive (thin, decent looking face), but she had a horrendous time (1) being ridiculed (by women primarily) growing up and (2) finding a husband. Other women were the ones that created problems for her dating, not the guys. When she started dating a man, other women would shame him. "You're dating godzilla-girl; what's wrong with you?" She finally found a husband (he's 6' 10" ) by joining a tall club.
My point is women have no more sympathy for tall women (over 6 ft) than they do for short men. In fact, they treat them both in a similar manner: as people that have something wrong with them. IMHO, The butt of the joke in this ad (as far as women are concerned) isn't the short men, it's the freakishly tall woman.
I agree that most of the problems tall women encounter trying to find a man are from other women eager to seize any advantage. Personally, I find height in women to be a moderate turn-on (not as much as the usual attributes but definitely a plus). At 6'0", I've approached women who were taller than me and although these approaches have never been successful, the women were usually pleasant and receptive.
If height is such a bloody problem for the silly bint, she should take off her heels.
Too bad we can't get that care HERE! That looks like an interesting car, but like most interesting cars, it'll probably stay over in Europe...
Remember the ultimate lesson of the movie Shrek:
Men, you can be ugly, fat, uncouth, dirty, rude, and violent.
Just don't be short.
I'm not talking about tall women not getting looked at, I'm talking about dates, relationships. Why do you think Asian women are so popular with American men? They're tiny. American men mostly prefer women that are shorter by a few inches.
Again we see that choosiness is a virtue for women, but a vice for men. Women should set their sights on the perfect man and never, ever, ever settle, while men should be grateful for any woman who shows interest in him at all, and must look beyond her outward appearance and appreciate her for her inner beauty. Meanwhile, no woman is expected to see the 'inner beauty' of short, shy, unemployed or overweight men, of course.
It's yet another double standard that women unhesitatingly and unapologetically take advantage of, even as they support feminist efforts to do away with the double standards that favor men – such as stud/slut and alpha/bitch, among others.
The fact remains, though – whichever side of these debates you're on – these double standards are simply a fact of life, and they cannot be legislated or 'socially conditioned' away, no matter how hard you try.
Of course it's this way. Women have the upper hand in the supply/demand equation, unless you know how to game the system.
Or to be blunt, pussy doesn't grow on trees for most men.
"If height is such a bloody problem for the silly bint, she should take off her heels."
Exactly. As a 5'7" bloke, I can't count the amount of times I've heard SHORT women (I'm talking between 5'0" and 5'4" here) outright DEMAND their men to be over 6'0" tall. Especially so they can "wear their heels". Yeah because shoes are far more important than the compatibility of the bloke. When both tall and short women demand men to be above a certain height, regardless of their own, it's hard to find sympathy.
I'm not talking about tall women not getting looked at, I'm talking about dates, relationships. Why do you think Asian women are so popular with American men? They're tiny. American men mostly prefer women that are shorter by a few inches.
Maybe that's because tall (and standard height) women are usually such utter cunts about it. It's more pleasant for blokes to find a naturally small, petite Asian girl, and save themselves some headache.
My sister is 5' tall, and married to a guy who is 6'3". Tall men love tiny women.
Why?
@ Conscientia Republicae
Exactly. Double standards are naturally, biologically rooted, and are never going away no matter what we do.
We can laugh at them, shrug our shoulders at them or become angry with them, but the one thing we can never do is get rid of them.
I'm talking about women over 6 foot tall.
Doesn't it seem like freakishly tall people are often strange-looking in other ways? I'm thinking of a woman I know who is over 6', and she's the stereotypical string-bean: no curves anywhere, a sharp face to go with the bony body, and perfectly straight hair to match. Everything about her just emphasizes her height so it's the only thing you notice, and she seems taller than she really is. There might be plenty of guys who wouldn't mind her height, if she had some other feminine attributes to make up for it.
My sister is 5' tall, and married to a guy who is 6'3". Tall men love tiny women.
Why?
Very broadly speaking, men like femininity and women like masculinity. Women are generally shorter than men, so height (or lack thereof) correlates with masculinity (or femininity). Get the two together and boom.
Conscientia Republicae: "My sister is 5' tall, and married to a guy who is 6'3". Tall men love tiny women."
6'1" myself. Yeah! I like smallish women, but I don't turn my nose up at taller women either. Fact is, stature is pretty much irrelevant. If she's hot, height is a secondary consideration. Probably wouldn't date a anyone under four feet tho! unless she is really really hot, then I might.
Thought I left this comment earlier...
I'm talking about women over 6 foot tall.
So... a rarity.
(1) being ridiculed (by women primarily) growing up
Yes, which isn't relevant to how *men* view tall women...
Other women were the ones that created problems for her dating, not the guys.
Yes... women tend to be much meaner to each other than men. My wife tends to get the stink eye from short fat trolls and mannish flat chested women -- they'll look her up and down then not talk to her. It took me forever to convince her that it was their insecurity, not an issue with her. Because women don't like women.
When she started dating a man, other women would shame him.
Sounds to me like she was dating betas. I've never taken the advice/shaming from a woman about another woman, especially not one who wasn't providing me with sex.
IMHO, The butt of the joke in this ad (as far as women are concerned) isn't the short men, it's the freakishly tall woman.
Mainstream commercials do not make fun of any woman, any time, any more. It's very, very rare that they'll do anything that might come across as SEXISS or MEAN.
Men are the butt of the jokes.
Don't know why that post got duplicated ...
With one exception, I've never dated any woman under 5'8". I think it's quite funny that men here are suggesting that tiny is synonymous with feminine, and Gelsey Kirkland is manly, but to each his own.
It remains explicitly true that women assert, in the normal course, an entitlement to various physical dimensions in our male cohort, which is Vox's point and the point of the ad; it remains explicitly true that a guy who says something as mild as "I don't do double chins well" (as I used to do) in an online profile will get hate mail. How many 5'5" women who specify a six-footer as their minimum requirement get hate mail? And how many blind dates with an "athletic and toned" female (this is code for "I might well have a gut the dimensions of Lena Dunham's but you are required to be attracted to my rolls") are routinely met with the crestfallen, "I'm being cheated by the male sex" look of VW Girl here?
I'm sure there are few if any men in the online whirl here, as VW Girl clearly is meeting a succession of unvetted (for height) males, but here is a translation table:
"Athletic and toned": if you don't see a picture of her in her bike togs, assume she's plus-sized.
"5'6" tall": 5'4; "5'0" petite": 4'10".
"Blonde": a CVS blonde, unless you've checked out her eyebrows. The rug is not going to match the curtains.
"amazing" or "my amazing journey": I'm the star of my own show, and I've done nothing of note with my life.
"must love dogs ...": Do you take orders from women? Also, my apartment smells like animal excretions.
The general theme yet again, here, is a woman lamenting: "Where is my Prince Charming?" I'm curious when anyone last heard a man complain, "Hi, nice to meet you. I was expecting Barbie Doll dimensions. Let's split the check and end the madness."
Men obsess about women physically except for their height. Women aren't terribly concerned about a man physically except for his height.
Yes, game can overcome this, but if you live in places where the men are tall and the women fat and ugly such as Toronto or Copenhagen, your game must be world class.
Tall women are neglected, no matter how they look.
I suspect it's not the height that's the problem.
The rug is not going to match the curtains.
Assuming there's a rug to begin with.
Men obsess about women physically except for their height. Women aren't terribly concerned about a man physically except for his height.
I wouldn't say they only obsess over height, but it's definitely more of a deal breaker for them than most other physical qualities. Most women, if being honest, will admit that they like fit men, too. Otherwise getting into shape wouldn't be a part of game.
More likely tall women are starting with a very small number of potential mates to begin with, as they (like almost all women) only want to date men who are considerably taller than themselves.
A woman who's 6'2" isnt going to want a man unless he's at least 6'9" or so -- which doesn't leave her with many options.
I'm a very tall man and have yet to run into a tall woman who isn't freaked out by a man who is not only bigger than her, but who can manhandle her with one arm. But they still don't want short men.
Their problem. I'm not paid to be their fucking therapist, or to care.
"Conscientia Republicae said...
My sister is 5' tall, and married to a guy who is 6'3". Tall men love tiny women.
Why?"
Who says they do? My niece is 6'4", and even when she wears heels, I tower over her.
My wife is 5'7". The 6'3" Amazon I dated before her was the one with the neurosis about height, not me. Don't project female looniness about superficialities on men.
Don't project female looniness about superficialities on men.
This is what 95% of all objections to Game and/or male psycho-sexual preferences are.
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