Friday, June 7, 2013

Alpha Mail: Women Ruin Everything: Cosplay edition

The scales are gradually falling from JD's eyes:
I've been really enjoying AG and VP, although in different ways. While reading VP I find myself nodding and saying "Yes, that's what I always thought!" While reading AG I find myself feeling a growing sense of horror at the thorough and complete incorrectness of everything I'd been taught. I believe the truth of your assertions are self evident once one is aware of them and contrasts them with PC assertions and evaluates which better explains reality. I think you're doing a valuable service for people who haven't heard any other view point.

Anyway, I ran across an article that, using my newly scaleless eyes to evaluate from a new perspective, I found interesting. The woman attends sci-fi cons and dresses up in attractive sci fi costumes, then is upset when (a) other women criticize her appearance (b) men compliment her on her appearance. It's the women's snide criticism that really gets to her, so naturally, most of the article is devoted to bashing the male privilege culture at conventions.
Well, naturally.  Because it must be the men's fault that they don't do a better job of protecting her from hearing judgmental and offensive comments about the shortness of her skirt from the obese shoggoths of the sort that can be seen in the background who resent being reminded of what actual human women look like.

SF/F is escapist literature that possesses particular appeal to those with a lot from which to escape.  There is nothing wrong with that, but combined with feminist dogma, the white-knighting gamma males that inordinately attend these conventions, and the aforementioned shoggoths, it's a recipe for the sort of hilarious Red on Red attacks that result in these sorts of articles and left-liberal authors being castigated for Insufficient Kowtowing to one or another sacred cows.

I've attended one convention in my life, and I have never seen a bigger or sadder collection of fatties and freaks anywhere.  The bizarre thing was that for all of their supposed devotion to inclusion, they were also snarkier, more sensitive, and more judgmental about each other than the gay men working out in the gym at the Northwest Target Center.  There was one post-op transsexual there who looked like a lumberjack hippie and all the shoggoths were glaring pure poison at "her" because "she" was using the women's bathrooms.  I'm not all surprised to hear that the entire scene has devolved into a morass of competitive offense-taking.

UPDATE: So far, the registration requirement has prevented 221 Anonymous spam comments from getting through.

36 comments:

Ingemar said...

My name is Ingemar, and I'm a cosplayer.

***HI INGEMAR!***

No seriously, I am one. The "community" makes me sick. This year there was a big movement (more like a fad that can't die soon enough) called

COSPLAY IS NOT CONSENT. It's an actual thing. Google it if you care.

Basically, it's female entitlement taken up another level. There were already hints of this in prior years.

I do not see how anyone who dresses up provocatively in a public venue has the audacity to demand to be treated as some unassailable being. But then again, these are Females we're talking about. This has the same "logic" as the Slutwalks that happened a few years back.

Ingemar said...

Image for proof. Potentially NSFW.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.imgur.com/C7SLZBY.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p%3D52911474&h=800&w=534&sz=152&tbnid=XYqD7LnuQzIluM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&zoom=1&usg=__gH5Y4SKdwsE13BdtuWT7WVTNfYI=&docid=eq4_k-2Vc2TazM&sa=X&ei=U-myUdP9HIHhiALGxIHACg&ved=0CDsQ9QEwAw&dur=1963

SERIOUSLY??!?

Rico said...
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Rico said...

Reminds me of Dave Chappelle's bit about wearing the uniform of a whore...

xsplat said...

"competitive offense-taking"

hehe

GF Dad said...

I've been wondering what your thoughts on cosplay are. It always struck me as odd. The women don't spend all that time on making costumes to impress the convention gammas. They're doing it to impress each other. I don't grok it - all I can do is observe the hamster and note its behavior.
The sad thing for the gammas attending the convention and to a lesser extent, the beta orbiters who cosplay with them too, the women have no interest in them - they're more concerned with what the other women think. That's not to say an SCA member dressed in a loin cloth might not get their attention, but the 19 year old dressed as a steampunk version Neo probably doesn't stand a chance.

Amy G said...

Last year, Simon Pegg got in trouble on Twitter for posting a group picture of Comic Con girls in Leia bikinis and voicing his appreciation. There was nothing lecherous about it (and so what if there was), but he got slammed by femtards for objectifying congirls until he broke down and apologized. You men just can't win.

GF Dad said...

Looking further into her blog, it's apparent she's a member of the warren. In this post, she laments white privilege in cosplay:

http://www.thisview.org/?p=111#more-111

The hamster is strong with this one.

Ricky said...

Holy fracking shizznuggets batman, a heavier dose of "all these people are objectifying me and I'm not okay with that even though I'm dressing to be objectified, but I have this whole bunch of people whom Im okay with objectifying standing guard over me and making me feel like a princess so there" I have never seen.

tz said...

Women also have their hen-pecking order. Their status is conveyed by their dress and appearance. In christendom, it is most obvious at black churches. There was a reality TV show a couple years back called "beauty and the geek". It is hard to describe the size of the wardrobes of the 'beauties'.

Note the alpha woman's most significant fashion accessory is an alpha man. The gamma gals whine like gamma men.

Being libertarian, I am for the freedom to be a feminist, but not to have gamma blue-knights with guns rob and kill me if I don't want to play.

Also, for all the complaints about white privelege, during apartheid in SA, there were some white activists who took melanin pills so became black as far as skin color. This is well known and inexpensive technology, but notice about how the warren will accept transexuals sometime, but won't even think of becoming black.

Nate said...

"Bathroom is made of women and safe. transgender is made of testicals and man and TERRIBLE SHRIEKING DOOOOOOOM."

Con shoggoth thought process

Nate said...

The proper response to the "Cosplay is not Consent" thing is pretty simple.

Laugh in their faces.

"You came here to be oggled. You dressed deliberately to get people to oggle you. Now you're bitching about being oggled at. Its entrapment you moron. You are begging for attention and you're getting it. Deal with it."

GF Dad said...

Nate, the cosplay / consent is related to this notion they have in their heads that they are not there to be oggled by the beta and gamma con attendees. If the right alpha is there, then by all means, he is encouraged to oggle. Even with geek girls, female solipsism is still the order of the day.

Iowahine said...

"I'm a woman; you should respect me for me, not objectify me for my body. To train you to ignore my body, I'm going to shove it in your face and insist you don't respond to it."

The man who doesn't respond to her body (the Alpha who ignores or is only mildly amused by her), is the one she wants to want her body.

Game in action.

beerme said...

I am completely unfamiliar with cons and the types of people that are into cosplay. I always assumed that women dressing up in this manner were the ultimate in attention whoredom, since getting gamma attention at these events seems like playing on the lowest difficulty setting.

And now you tell me that these attention whores don't want to be ogled?

Hilarious. Sounds like someone could have fun black knighting the rabbits.

Ingemar said...

> I always assumed that women dressing up in this manner were the ultimate in attention whoredom,

They are, and don't let the COSPLAY IS NOT CONSENT types tell you otherwise. Even worse is that there are cosplayers who rank far left on the attractiveness curve (think: FUPA) who expect/demand the same respect as cosplayers who actually look as good or better as their character because... they draw breath or something. I don't know.

darklightdispatch said...

Now that "geek culture" appears to have fallen to female intrusion and, hence, destruction in spectacularly dramatic fashion over the last few years, where can today's socially awkward young men go to momentarily escape the fem-matrix?

The nerds of the next generation are going to have to come up with something ultra unappealing to women in order to have a few years of freedom before it gets girl-destroyed. Or...they could grow a pair and just laugh and say get the fuck out, but we all know how likely that is to happen.

cailcorishev said...

Well, in my day you couldn't pay a girl to play D&D. Is that still safe?

Vox said...

Sports... oh, wait, that involves actually being able to play them. It's fascinating to see how women have absolutely no influence whatsoever over local European football.

My team played in a tournament today. First game: 8:30 AM. First beers: 9:30 AM.

Jack Amok said...

> I always assumed that women dressing up in this manner were the ultimate in attention whoredom,

They are, and don't let the COSPLAY IS NOT CONSENT types tell you otherwise.


Exactly.

Step one, differentiate yourself from other women by dressing in skimpy outfits to get attention.

Step two, notice that other women dressed in skimpy outfits are also getting attention.

Step three, differentiate yourself from women dressed in skimpy outfits by dressing in even skimpier outfits.

Step four, notice other women dressed in ultra-skimpy outfits are still getting attention that by rights belongs to you, dammit!

Step five, differentiate yourself from other women dressed in skimpy outfits and draw attention to yourself by complaining about being oogled while wearing a skimpy outfit.

Step six, notice other women dressed in three strings and a handkerchief while complaining about being oogled are still stealing attention from you!

Step seven, differentiate yourself by being completely, buck naked...


Eventually they'll be nude on stage blowing a donkey while complaining about sexist comments...

GF Dad said...

Ingemar - thank you. I had no idea what FUPA was, but our friends at google were happy to help.

That's nasty and makes me want to go 100% paleo immediately. I can and will quit Dr. Pepper to avoid the male equivalent of that.

Now to gouge my eyes out and hope the memory goes with them.

Brad Andrews said...

Exactly what was the male attention she got? I saw references to it in the comments, but I couldn't find it in the text.

It seems to me that "it must be those evil sexist guys (or fatist, raciss, whatever) is a core belief, regardless of what happens.

Jack Amok said...

Exactly what was the male attention she got? I saw references to it in the comments, but I couldn't find it in the text.

The text was a bit rambling. Like so many women, even functional ones, any relevant piece of information must have a long and mostly irrelevant prologue.

But I think the unwanted attention was from male convention-goers who assumed she was some sort of booth babe instead of a real(TM) syfy nerdette. She made some odd reference to feeling like men carrying on apparently normal conversations with here were secretly testing her bona fides by... are you sitting down? this is shocking... by asking her questions about science fiction!

Horrors.

LP 999/Eliza said...

221 anon comments? my someone has something to say yet won't list a name

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lj3 said...

@cailcorishev "Well, in my day you couldn't pay a girl to play D&D. Is that still safe?"

hahaha, fuck no. With the popularity of World of Warcraft, even traditional RPGs are no longer too geeky to play. They also dumbed it the hell down, so figuring out the rules is no longer a barrier to entry. Maybe it's where I live, but it's almost impossible to find a gaming group of any kind without at least 1 woman in it, with the exception of poker.

@darklightdispatch: geek get hit extra hard and extra young with liberal and feminist propaganda. I grew up watching star trek with my folks and reading YA star wars novels. That's a lot of bullshit to have to unlearn.

If I was the suspicious type, I would say that young geeks and nerds are getting fed exactly what they need to think they're changing the world without upsetting the status quo.

darklightdispatch said...

@Jack Amok "She made some odd reference to feeling like men carrying on apparently normal conversations with here were secretly testing her bona fides by... are you sitting down? this is shocking... by asking her questions about science fiction!"

Yeah, I've heard this line of thinking a few times before. It's just another example of how women are totally incapable of understanding or non-destructively participating in male social groups. Men do this to each other constantly, of course. Competition over who knows the most about the subject matter at hand is a constant and fundamental part of nerd gatherings. The guys with the most expertise and experience enjoy higher status while newbs are at the bottom of the totem pole.

Brad Andrews said...

Thanks Jack. I might have noticed her figure, but here face didn't seem very friendly in the photo she featured. I agree that getting quizzed on a SciFi show you are wearing an outfit from is a quite reasonable expectation. What does she expect people at these shows are interested in? (Rhetorical question of course.)

Eric Mueller said...

I've never done COSplay. I barely know what it was until a year or so ago.

The last convention I went to was in 1996 in San Diego. Lots of freaks there. I left my dad in line and stepped away to smoke (I've long since quit). While I was smoking, some older crazy woman in a costume (don't remember what it was) walked up and started talking to me. I can't recount the subject here in these comments because it was a VERY adult topic. I was looking for an escape.

The actress who played Janeway was the speaker. When she got up, some weird Omega approached the stage and said he wanted to give her a present: the schematics for a warp reactor. My dad said the guy was so out of touch, he probably believed he really was talking to Captain Janeway. I hadn't been to a convention since.

Akulkis said...

http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Cosplay

Tobias Templo said...

Testing... 1...2....3...

Tobias Templo said...

Hey Vox. Should we expect this change on VP soon in case the spammers go spamming there?

Tobias Templo said...

Women attending cosplays know quite well that they are going to dress in a sexually provocative way.

COSPLAY IS NOT CONSENT

Consent for what? Looking at you? Bwahahahahahaha!!!

mmaier2112 said...

"The actress who played Janeway was the speaker. When she got up, some weird Omega approached the stage and said he wanted to give her a present: the schematics for a warp reactor. My dad said the guy was so out of touch, he probably believed he really was talking to Captain Janeway. I hadn't been to a convention since."

Classic. My brother attended one of the huge Star Wars conventions for Episode 2 or 3. He said one guy asked Billy Dee Williams what cards he had in his hand when he lost the Millennium Falcon to Han Solo... to which he replied "You do know this is a MOVIE, right?"

The idiocies those actors must endure...

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