Barbara Salinas-Norman was a Chicana activist, a bilingual teacher, an author, a publisher and an artist. She was “intelligent,” “inspiring,” a “trailblazer.” But her life had begun to unravel, and this once well-connected woman apparently died alone in her Santa Fe home, where her body lay undiscovered for several months behind an unlocked door. Her decomposed remains were found Monday at the Zia Vista Condominiums on Zia Road. Police originally speculated that Salinas had been dead since October, but family and friends said Friday they thought the 70-year-old might have died long before that — a year or more ago.Shed no tears for Ms Salinas-Norman. Her dream was to divorce her husband and she lived the dream, not once, but twice! Sic semper feminnis....
Salinas’ body was discovered by her brother-in-law, Louis Ponce, who said Friday that he had become concerned about her because he hadn’t heard from her for a long time.... On Monday, the couple drove to Santa Fe to check on Salinas at Zia Vista and found her body lying in a filthy living room. She was lying near a favorite poster, a takeoff on Rosie the Riveter. This version shows Rosie as a skeleton, with a red cloth on her head and her arm raised in a fist under the caption, “Sí, Se Muere!” Yes, we die....
Though she was troubled, Trujillo said, “she was very intelligent,” and they became friends. Sometimes they went to the movies. Salinas was especially fond of the movie Eat Pray Love and its star, Javier Bardem. “She was so passionate about the movie. That was her dream story,” Trujillo said.
Tuesday, May 14, 2013
A feminist success story
Sure, she died alone, an evolutionary dead end, unlamented and unnoticed under her Che Guevara posters, but the important thing is that she had a Masters degree, she blazed a trail for thousands of childless American spinsters who will die similarly alone, and most importantly, she even managed to avoid being devoured by cats.
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This is what they want for us all: a sterile life ended alone, with no one to care.
No thanks.
but family and friends said Friday they thought the 70-year-old might have died long before that — a year or more ago.
Friends? And no contact for more than a year?
I recently talked with a young woman whose mother died in similar conditions. An assumed drug overdose and no one found her body until it had decomposed. Not an evolutionary dead end, she did manage to have children before going off the reservation.
Actions have consequences.
OT but interesting admission
Yes the world should conform to this snowflakes wishes
"Friends and family" who take you for Schrödinger's cat lady for more than a year are neither friends nor family.
Santa Muerte as Rosie the Riveter? How appropriate.
Have you ever met an actual normal person, of any ethnicity, who used the word "Chicana"? I haven't.
I think chicano was a term used in the sixties to differentiate the newly immigrant Mexicans from the Mexicans that had been here forever.
Wow. You can't make this stuff up.
"When asked why she doesn't leave the condo--I'm a fighter"
HAH! What bullshit! Clearly she didn't want to fight hard enough to not live in squalor. Or find a real job to support herself. Her pipe dream of teaching in Spain was amusing too. Clearly her vaunted 'bilingual teacher' creeds wouldn't mean much there.
Her claim to fame is that she wrote a new version of the 3 little bigs by switching the type of bricks the last pig used.
The fourth little pig apparently built her house out of squalor.
Wait, so what's wrong with being an evolutionary dead-end? I have a 155 IQ, six-figure income, and allegedly have "movie-star" good looks. But when I was in my 20s and 30s, my genes were not desireable. Now that I'm in my 40s, I'd rather do what I want while society burns than father some child that society will just twist into hating me (if it was a girl) or actively try to emasculate and destroy (if it was a boy). So being an evolutionary dead-end seems like Plan A to me these days.
So being an evolutionary dead-end seems like Plan A to me these days.
...and all because of the children! You're a genius.
the worst thing is that the next generation of girls are mostly believing the rhetoric of types like this.
what bitches they are! not satisfied to live unhappy and die alone for themselves but to brain wash all of the women around them into the same hell.
is this the ultimate in female solipsism?
Hopefully, her demise will be an object lesson to other would-be feministas who fantasize the EPL kind of life.
But I'm not counting on it.
So having a child graduating high school when I'm in my mid-60s isn't a selfish plan? My mother is on a constant push for grandchildren, even now, because "who will take care of you when you're old?".
But somehow I'm the selfish one for not wanting kids just to view them as future indentured servants.
The hyphenated name. That's all we need to know about her.
This woman was obviously mentally ill. She was a hoarder, filthy, and quasi-homeless. Interesting how people in the article keep pointing out that she was "intelligent," as if that was a virtue. I guess in their eyes that makes her tragic instead of merely pathetic.
the worst thing is that the next generation of girls are mostly believing the rhetoric of types like this.
Not really. There is evidence the trend is at least stagnating, if not declining. Anecdotally, I've seen evidence of this: every woman I was friends with in college except for one has given up on a career to stay home and have multiple children. All of them said they'd keep working after having kids, and were therefore somewhat poisoned by feminism, but that all changed after the first baby came along.
Feminism is quite literally organised genocide.
Having to deal with a hoarder myself (my mother), I can attest to the complete denial that she lived in. "I'm a fighter" is complete BS. My father died so my mother has a small amount to excuse, but once I was out of the house and not there as some counter-balance to the sloth and slovenliness it went rapidly downhill. While women can enrich a man's life (can, not necessarily do), men, far more often than most women are willing to admit, provide a needed balance and restriction on some of their worst tendencies. This thread's focus is simply one more example.
There's no mention of cats - truly a sad case.
This reads like a parody. It's setting off my BS detector. It's almost too perfect.
But then, I suspected the same thing about McRapey's behavior, and he seems all to real.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
That is all.
Brian, just because you looked like Peter Lorre when you were an awkward programmer in your 20s doesn't mean a naked gal was going to fall on top of you for genes and a ring. You need to do a little work.
While women can enrich a man's life (can, not necessarily do), men, far more often than most women are willing to admit, provide a needed balance and restriction on some of their worst tendencies.
Amen.
"Aren't you afraid of dying alone?" and "Who will take care of you when you're old?" are just a sample of the many silly and illogical things the parents of my partner have bombarded me with over the years.
Finally, justice arrived this year. Over the past three months, the matriarch of the family has had increased medication problems and dementia. She has four children, 10 adult grandchildren, 3 great-grandchildren. Guess where her family had to put her because none of them are able, willing or available to help her?
Yup. Nursing Home. (I feel sorry for her alone. Reality is a bitch.)
Because money for the nursing home was a problem and the great-grandmother never worked - just raised sproggen, as was the custom of the time - people finally had to admit that socking away money for retirement was the best thing we could do, although it just about killed her to say it.
I haven't said a word to anyone about all the shit they gave me in the past about his particular aspect of being forever childfree. I don't have to.
It's like no one ever said anything about "dying alone"....
Yes, Pip, probably best you remain sproggen free.
I'm sure the government will ignore your juicy retirement account in the coming Days of Bail-in, Pip.
But somehow I'm the selfish one for not wanting kids just to view them as future indentured servants
So you don't have them because you don't see them as future servants? Fascinating.
Encouraging people to have children so they won't die alone is missing the point. My mother was with her husband and children when she died, ushered into the next realm with love and prayers; it was undoubtedly a lot nicer for her than dying alone, but that's not at all why she had children. I reckon few mothers look at their newborns and think, thank God! now I'll have someone to keep me company when I kick off in a few decades. The reason she had children was to partner with God in one of the most extraordinary things a person can do in this world -- to bring forth new life -- and then to live for the development and well-being of that new person, to pass on hard-won wisdom and values, and ultimately set the stage for what will hopefully be a meaningful life.
By the way, Brian, I don't blame you for being apprehensive about bringing a son into this world -- nothing fills me with dread more than the thought of having a son of mine contend with the hostility that's directed toward anything masculine. But no girl ever grew up hating her father unless he was a brute or a weakling.
Thank goodness she was childless. Those are genes I think can all agree are best weeded out of the collective garden.
Wow. How liberated and empowered she was!
Brian dear, you said allegedly. You have time to turn the ship around..or not. Instead of refusing to give life and do the most amazing and effective thing a human can do, I just choose to raise warriors with the armour of God.
Pip, very sad to hear your bitterness. I would be too if I never was upgraded from partner to Wife.
Yes your one possible example just blows away the centuries of counter examples.
"I'm sure the government will ignore your juicy retirement account in the coming Days of Bail-in, Pip."
I doubt it.
"Pip, very sad to hear your bitterness."
One thing about our continued happiness together and my contined happiness at being childfree is that they sure give job security to their doomsayers.
"I would be too if I never was upgraded from partner to Wife."
It was my idea. We're as close as any married couple but don't want to be married in the eyes of the state. Community Property laws and all that. Thank you for your mistaken concern, however.
"Yes your one possible example just blows away the centuries of counter examples."
My maternal grandfather died on the table during heart surgery.
My maternal grandmother was admitted to the hospital for heart palpitations. She died overnight from a myocardial infarction.
My partner's father was rushed to the hospital from a nursing home and died from pneumonia before any relative could get to him.
My step-grandmother had a stroke and went into a coma in Charleston, WV. My step-dad pulled the plug and was there at the end, but her brain had died a few days earlier.
My paternal grandmother had a heart attack at night in a hospital in Roanoke. Ditto one aunt. Another aunt was found dead in her home. Her husband died overseas years before.
They all died alone, despite having many children.
Die alone? You probably will anyway.
Shulamith Firestone of the 'Dialectic of Sex' fame suffered the same fate just a year or two ago. In her case they tried to pass it off as merely the results of her creeping insanity, rather than a damning statement of the barrenness of her political views.
Which isn't really any better when you think about it.
It was my idea.
I would have bet $1000 on that response. Runner-up: "It's just a piece of paper."
I knew only one woman for whom that was actually true. Her "partner" proposed three times, she turned him down each time. Dumped him after a few years and married some other dude.
So, Pip, if you doubt that the government will leave your retirement account alone, why are you parading it around like it was the better alternative than having the potential for familial support?
In her case they tried to pass it off as merely the results of her creeping insanity, rather than a damning statement of the barrenness of her political views.
The two often go hand-in-hand. Read stuff by the most vitriolic feminists, the ones who really make a life's work out of their beliefs, and you can't help but think these women are mentally pretty screwed up.
Read stuff by the most vitriolic feminists, the ones who really make a life's work out of their beliefs, and you can't help but think these women are mentally pretty screwed up.
In other words, you'd have to be crazy to be a feminist!
You've got a strange sense of justice, Pip. Just because your family failed your matriarch doesn't mean the families of matriarchs will fail.
How is it justice to admit that you will die alone childless and forgotten, not terribly unlike the matriarch who died without her children?
It sounds like something, but justice isn't the word.
Pip...sure it was your idea and none of your examples mean anything from a statistical, scientific nor historic perspective. ...if they are even true.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to die alone. The Lord I serve says the deaths of His Saints are precious in His sight.
From the article:
"Salinas never could figure out how to work her cellphone, so Trujillo let her use the library phone.
"Though she was troubled, Trujillo said, 'she was very intelligent.'"
This does not compute. How can mutually exclusive claims flow directly together. She was very intelligent, but couldn't figure out how to work a cellphone?
How can mutually exclusive claims flow directly together. She was very intelligent, but couldn't figure out how to work a cellphone?
Midvale School for the Gifted?
Phone made by Microsoft.
Brian, though, I can commiserate with. And we'll be seeing more of that.
This is why I respect HUS. Game is good, but the big problem is getting young women to grow up and learn how to tell Good Men from Bad Boys. I've mentioned previously that Miss 1963 would regard her granddaughter, Miss 2013, as having terrible judgement and no appreciation for the consquences of her actions.
In no small part because the modern feminists have tried so hard to convince young women that bad decisions should have NO consequences.
The Real World proves that untrue...with terrible force.
I have been at the bedside of over 100 people who were facing death. For the most part they were surrounded by their families, and frankly, the only thing keeping them here was their love for their sons/daughters/grandkids.
Of course, I am speaking of the Christian community...(now, before anyone shares their anecdote bout' Bessy the Christian, whose family abandoned her - don't bother).
I have also sat at the bedside of childless spinsters - usually at the request of a sister or a brother. Different vibe I can promise you.
Nobody going to comment on this hilarious gem?
he often slept in her car and washed up in the bathroom at a local library. The gas and electricity had been turned off in her condo because she wasn’t paying her bills. She ate at soup kitchens. Her home was in foreclosure.
Yet Salinas, known as Bobbi, had a lot going for her.
O_o so, 1 step away from being homeless, estranged from friends and family, but she had a lot going for her?
I'd hate to see what a feminist in trouble lives like.
HEY NOW! Take it where you can get it.
Cats might not actually wait until you are dead aand they don't really have the means of killing such a large animal cleanly anyway. Hungry is as hungry does. Yum! Don't even start with dogs, they are no better, always. So, don't completely discount this "success".
I respect, a bit more, those women who had children but no husband. It's not perfect, but in the modernist crap heap it is at least a shot at more than death. Women who make it to the top of the heap and die without? It's divorce from life, only where the judicial process is based on truth and is perfectly honest. She doesn't even get what she arrived with.
Dead twinkies, that's all I'm saying.
If that is intelligence...then I want to be stupid.
@ Pip
I would not be so confident as you are that not marrying will protect you. California already recognizes one form of quasi-community property to fit the purposes of the current system, don't think that it or other states wouldn't try and shoehorn others in as well. Given the drop off in marriages in the last few years, I fully expect that there will be a big push to expand the rights of co-habitants.
"I would have bet $1000 on that response. Runner-up: 'It's just a piece of paper.'"
But I'm a special snowflake!
"So, Pip, if you doubt that the government will leave your retirement account alone, why are you parading it around like it was the better alternative than having the potential for familial support?"
"Parading it around" seems like hyperbole. What would you have me do? Not save? Have kids I don't want?
"You've got a strange sense of justice, Pip."
Not to me. Am I to have kids I don't want so I can have them stand around my deathbed? Smacks of selfishness, that.
JDC - that's interesting. My sister's an EMT. My mother a nurse with a couple year's experience in nursing wards between stints in ICU and GP. What I describe is not rare. I guess we've seen different things.
donalgraeme - Maybe so. You know more than me about that, it sounds. I'm a doctor (DVM) not a lawyer. My Joe is a lawyer. For years, I made more than him. With him moving into practice and out of a permanent clerkship, he'll make more than me now.
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I want, I want, I want.
And that's what it's all about.
Three up:
"nursing wards" should read "nursing HOME wards"
Nice.
I wonder what the Alpha success story looks like. In MGTOW and much of the manosphere, the emphasis is on marriage avoidance, pick-up artistry, and self-improvement through weightlifting and reading great books. But what's the end game? To die alone and intelligent like Salinas?
On a slightly unrelated note, one weakness in the Christian manosphere is there is little to no voice about what community look like. I don't see conversations about accountability, intimacy, vulnerability or other hallmarks of what makes Christian brotherhood distinct. We should be able to articulate, in a better way, what true camaraderie looks like, not just between women as our wives but men as our brothers.
PipNot to me. Am I to have kids I don't want so I can have them stand around my deathbed? Smacks of selfishness, that.
Your strange sense of "justice" is the fact that you felt vindicated when your family failed your matriarch by sending her away.
That isn't justice. That's schadenfreude, that's solipsism but that's not justice.
Justice would have been for your family to honor the matriarch, however that might have been. Shipping her off to die alone so that you could feel justified in your own choice to die alone isn't anything that resembles justice.
After all, how did her condemnation to an apparently unwanted childless death in the dark free you from the condemnation of your own desired childless death?
Justice w/r/t hypocrisy is hypocrisy exposed. Hypocrisy exposed is hypocrisy punished because the false-high-mindedness of the hypocritical parties is shown to all who care to see for what it is - a construct borne of false pretense and self-adulation.
My vindication comes from seeing those who attempt to turn their self-righteousness against the life I choose to live, that of a childfree professional woman.
Schadenfreude is taking pleasure in another’s misfortune. Here, my pleasure instead comes from seeing hypocrisy directed at me exposed in all its self-evident grandeur. ‘Solipsism,’ along with ‘publicist,’ seems to be one of the most abused words in English. I’d have to hear what definition you are attempting to use it with to comment further.
Finally, and obviously, dying while childfree is a neutral event, free from any stain of condemnation.
"My vindication comes from seeing those who attempt to turn their self-righteousness against the life I choose to live, that of a childfree professional woman, EXPOSED."
Isn't it amazing how mistakes hide until the 'publish' is hit?
Maybe not.
Finally, and obviously, dying while childfree is a neutral event, free from any stain of condemnation.
Ah, so your neutral choice was under no condemnation when you experienced the justice of your family matriarch getting her comeuppance by dying alone and institutionalized.
So what wrong against you, exactly, was righted by her humiliating death? The fact that her survivors who couldn't be bothered to tend to her say nothing in regards to your neutral status?
I stand by the use of the term "strange." I use solipsism in the usual way: you view the matriarch's lonely demise primarily in light of how it provided "justice" to you personally.
"Ah, so your neutral choice was under no condemnation when you experienced the justice of your family matriarch getting her comeuppance by dying alone and institutionalized."
No. My neutral choice was under condemnation, wrongfully, from my partner's parents and some in his family when justice was served by their hypocrisy being exposed through her being shuffled off to a nursing home.
The hypocrisy behind their wrongful condemnation was exposed by them doing (or, in the case of my partner's institutionized mother, having done to her) exactly what they said would happen to us because we choose to be childfree. That hypocrisy exposed was the wrong righted.
"I use solipsism in the usual way:"
No.
"...you view the matriarch's lonely demise primarily in light of how it provided "justice" to you personally."
No, I do not view it primarily in that way. (She's not dead, BTW.)
"I stand by the use of the term "strange.""
It's good to stand for something.
Not "mother" I meant "grandmother"
So sad.
Hypocrisy is when the bad behavior of others causes your stated and honest expectations to be subverted. I did not know that's what hypocrisy meant. I thought it meant condemning something while doing it oneself.
So if the government comes along and seizes Pip's retirement account, or the dollar crashes and everything in her account becomes worthless, and she's therefore left with nothing and no one to tend her and dies in poverty like the woman in the OP...that's hypocrisy!
Now, of course, let's not talk about Pip's partner's refusal to help out a widow...
So, wait a minute, how were the hypocrites served justice? Because they decided to stop nagging you because they were hypocrites about their own grandmother?
You do realize that's not a punishment, right? Justice typically involves a wrong being righted, not a conspiracy of silence.
Go just a little faster. I'm very close to shouting "Whee!"
Now, of course, let's not talk about Pip's partner's refusal to help out a widow...
You noticed that too?
"Now, of course, let's not talk about Pip's partner's refusal to help out a widow..."
The checks he writes every month (separate property!) to contribute to her care say otherwise.
Actually, the facility she's in in Houston is quite nice. Expensive, but nice. And good, I think, for somebody with that affliction.
"Go just a little faster. I'm very close to shouting "Whee!""
Ooh ooh! Are we getting close to trotting out the hamster wheel pictures? I knew hamsters would make appearances sooner or later! It's the man-o-sphere equivalent of Nazis.
Guess where her family had to put her because none of them are able, willing or available to help her?
The checks he writes every month (separate property!) to contribute to her care say otherwise.
Pip, if you're wearing a Swastika arm band while saluting "heil Hitler," it's perfectly acceptable for someone to call you a Nazi.
"I'm going my own way! I'm doing a new thing! I'm special! I'm going to make a difference!" Said the moron that has never read history.
The only thing to do is realize MPAI and adjust your financial planning accordingly. Meanwhile, you raise your own progeny to understand that MPAI and reveal Truth to them. It only takes a short time for them to see the benefits today.
Our society is so bad that a month of living in Truth rewards anyone with great benefit compared to the typical moron. So much so that living in Truth becomes addictive because the benefits are so awesome.
...and most importantly, she even managed to avoid being devoured by cats.
Please...her life would have had more meaning had her dead body fed some poor cats.
Okay, Pip, so your partner's family are actually supporting the matriarch, so her kids are providing support to her that she would not have if they did not exist, and your "justice" over choosing childlessness and now everyone silently supporting that choice instead of condemning it is a fiction of your own mind.
This is what I suspected from the start with your ill-advised use of the word "justice."
What you say happened is merely what you felt happened, because you were looking for some way to accuse your partner and his siblings with hypocrisy, so you didn't have to feel so bad about some mean things some of them said about your childlessness.
To clarify:
Your truth - Your partner and his family abandoned the matriarch, even though some of those people previously worried that you might die alone without children. Thus they were exposed as hypocrites: having children doesn't provide you with end-of-life social or financial support.
The truth - your partner provides social and financial support to the matriarch, support he would not be providing had he never been born. Your own case demonstrates that children do tend to provide support to parents to which the childless have no access by definition.
Thanks for clearing that up.
"your partner's family are actually supporting the matriarch, so her kids are providing support to her that she would not have if they did not exist,"
If anybody cares about the particulars at this point: Her care is primarily provided by Medicare, surplus medical insurance, a bit of her own savings, and contributions from three of her relatives, including my guy. He's a lawyer and privy to the mechanics of her estate. Two of the contributors are childfree, including my guy. All the other people? They provide excuses about being tapped...primarily because of...wait for it...their kids.
Why can my guy do this *and* save for his own retirement? Because he has a high paying job and...wait for it...no kids.
"and your "justice" over choosing childlessness and now everyone silently supporting that choice instead of condemning it is a fiction of your own mind."
No, it pretty much stands unvarnished and unbowed in the round.
"Your own case demonstrates that children do tend to provide support to parents to which the childless have no access by definition."
No one ever suggested children never help parents financially. My case, by itself, suggests that they tend not to, if you look at the numbers. Had my guy - and certainly some of his...shall we say...less productive siblings and cousins and such not be born, she would have had more savings.
The truth: this lady had a large brood (as traditional Catholics do) and the majority don't help with her care. This same non-helping majority, and various other relatives, saw fit, however to previously get on our case for not having kids. Why? Because kids take care of parents! Always! Then, when put-up or shut-up time comes, who steps up? Not the people who were going on and on before, but by and large (a) taxpayer-funded government programs and (b) three relatives, two with no kids. Silence reigns as hypocrisy is exposed.
"Thanks for clearing that up."
You are welcome, sir.
So, because he is the childless child of a non-childless person, he can support a grandparent.
Seems to me like the solution is for every third generation to skip having children?
Barbie wasn't lying when she taught you math was hard.
You consistently mistake silence for justice. Where do you think those infertile (or non-fertile) relatives come from? No one said that childlessness wasn't a luxury that couldn't be borne by a fertile society. Just because the more productive yet less supportive of your ilk have stopped nagging you for kids since you have filled in the cracks of state subsidy, doesn't mean they've been brought to justice.
It isn't justice when the mugger stops punching you in the face, Pip.
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