Wednesday, April 24, 2013

War only requires one side

Dr. Helen observes that most men are still not fighting back despite the war being waged against them throughout the West:
Jacobson makes a good point: “On campuses, there is a very real war on men, but few seem to care.”

This is an important point that needs to be explored. Men on campus are afraid to speak up and with good reason. Even Warren Farrell, author of The Myth of Male Power was stifled by radical feminists at the University of Toronto when trying to talk about men’s rights.

When I was speaking to men about college for my book, I found that many did not want their names used and were afraid that there would be repercussions if their identity was known. I use the word afraid because that is what it is. Men don’t want to think of themselves as fearful, many deny that anything is happening and don’t feel the need to fight back. Instead, they stick their head in the sand and call this “bravery” or “not wanting to seem like a victim.” But they are victims of kangaroo courts and angry feminists regardless of their denial.

The discrimination will continue because there is no push back.
Every time you keep your head down in order to avoid trouble, you are collaborating with the enemy. Every time you keep your mouth shut because you think, just maybe, silence will improve your chances of getting laid, you are collaborating. Every time you meekly submit to your wife instead of providing her with the leadership she craves, you are collaborating.  Those who refuse to fight back are not brave, they are not being manly for suffering in silence, they are short-sighted cowards who have betrayed both their sex and their society.

This is the connection between Game and the refounding of Western Civilization. Demographics is destiny. Some form of the traditional order will eventually reassert itself; the unsustainable society is destined to collapse. But those of us, male and female alike, who wish to live in a civilized society have got to stop collaborating with those who are seeking, consciously or unconsciously, to destroy it.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Every time you meekly submit to your wife instead of providing her with the leadership she craves, you are collaborating...

... and your woman may go elsewhere to find the leadership/dominance she craves, like the 13 female prison guards who "essentially handed over control of a Baltimore jail to gang leaders," including "[f]our corrections officers [who] became pregnant by one inmate. Two of them got tattoos of the inmate’s first name, Tavon — one on her neck, the other on a wrist."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/thirteen-correctional-officers-indicted-in-maryland/2013/04/23/6d2cbc14-ac23-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

I swear you can't make this shit up.

earl said...

"Every time you keep your head down in order to avoid trouble, you are collaborating with the enemy. Every time you keep your mouth shut because you think, just maybe, silence will improve your chances of getting laid, you are collaborating. Every time you meekly submit to your wife instead of providing her with the leadership she craves, you are collaborating."

The only way evil wins is when good men do nothing.

retrophoebia said...

And yet the stakes for 'fighting back' are quite high for an individual, especially prospectively--for someone with a career ahead of him, in a world with a digital trail of virtually anything you do (even commenting anonymously on blogs. I'm under no illusions there), and retrospectively, for anyone with something to lose--like a job, private life, reputation, etc.

This is particularly true when operating in a social-legal system that's sympathetic to the aggressors.

So what to do? I like the Black Knight strategy, but complementary to that has to be an articulate and spirited defense. Merely feeling some sort of undefined oppression without the ability to articulate the case intelligently and coherently doesn't do any good when you're besieged by cultural messaging, but a coherent worldview that you believe in and can stand behind is an effective shield that also lets you sleep well at night.

CrisisEraDynamo said...

(Already e-mailed this stuff to you, Vox.)

But along comes these people, asserting that sexual difference is an illusion:

http://www.psych.rochester.edu/people/reis_harry/assets/pdf/CarothersReis_2012.pdf

It is summarized at Hooking Up Smart. A refutation can be found here, and I made a Reddit to discuss the science article here.

I post this to show that our assertions will be challenged, and that we shouldn't get complacent about our arguments. We could well be deceiving ourselves with an echo chamber that doesn't post Game's failures, so we have to make sure that what we're peddling is indeed the truth.

DrTorch said...

You need a band of brothers to do this successfully. The lone dissident will get crushed.

. said...

"The only way evil wins is when good men do nothing."

Nah. Evil can still win if you fight it. But at least there was a fight.

John said...

I noticed you and Helen talking about how when young men "do nothing" they are collaborating with the enemy.

But let's take my university for example. There are professors (male and female) that openly advocate feminism. There are many beta orbiters around even the feminist women. No girl will ever openly associate with your cause (and as per the feminine imperative, the problem is ignored by society if it doesn't affect women).

You are right we have to try, but it is an uphill battle of sorts. Cause we have to go against society, male and female.

I appreciate your blog vox but it is easy to advocate an idea online, where there is less fear of repercussion even if your real name is out there. Didn't you leave North America to go to Italy? Why didn't you fight against feminism back here, instead of abandoning ship? The burden is always left to the young men to go against the entirety of society and then we have people like Helen and you mocking us saying we aren't doing enough, we are cowards.

What do you have in mind for us to do? I figure two things: 1) Create a group for the interest of men, except this already exists in the form of MRA which is mocked not only by general society but also a decent chunk of the manosphere. 2) In my individual life, I can uphold my values and ideas, and perhaps influence some close friends with those ideas and values that are contrary to feminism, and modern immoral society.

1) Will probably fail. 2) Will work but only on small scales.

Anonymous said...

Game is nice to get you laid, but you must openly dominate in order to save the West. It won't be done by secretly influencing chicks to get wet, you must officially dominate. Look what this guy did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nte1UtRww_k

The repercussion? He became even more popular. Domination must be open and official.

earl said...

"What do you have in mind for us to do?"

I'd start with prayer. God will help those fighting against Satanic ideas.

A lot of what is happening is because people stopped praying.

VD said...

I appreciate your blog vox but it is easy to advocate an idea online, where there is less fear of repercussion even if your real name is out there.

Please. Do you really think there are fewer repercussions when literally hundreds of thousands of people, including employers, employees, publishers, and so forth read my forthright views than if you speak out in your little college class of 30?

Your position is not only cowardly, it is futile. Keeping your head down will buy you nothing. So you get laid and get a job, then maybe get married. Then she divorces you, because you're a cowardly Delta who can't stand up to her either, and takes the house, your savings, and you're paying her for the next 15 years.

That's what you're concerned about saving?

John said...

I'm not concerned about saving that, not sure where you get it from. If you read my last post, I said I don't keep my head down, but the power of me sticking to Christian and some manosphere values is limited to affecting those immediately around me. I let plenty girls know I don't take feminism seriously, I dont yield to their wrong ideas or to their demands, but that is not going to topple the systematic feminism that is ingrained in culture and in law in western society.

dannyfrom504 said...

if/when i talk red pill with a woman that gets argumentative it's usually a woman +30.

women 18-late 20's usually agree.

notice the women in the video from the U of T protest. that says it all

John said...

And ill be frank I don't know the answer, hence why I am asking you. You and Helen call us cowards for not correcting the problem, but no solution aside from stand up for yourself, which I already have been doing.

Anonymous said...

John,

This is why older men generally aren't interested in engaging with college age people. All you seem to want is to do all the talking and have your views and actions confirmed.

Accusing Vox of cowardice in a passive aggressive way may make you feel better for the moment, but does nothing to solve your problem.

In the past it was the young who threw off the timid and fearful ways of their elders and spoke truth to power, and damn the consequences. Take a look at the videos from the free speech movement in Berkeley in the sixties on youtube. These people had way more to lose than you, and went for it anyway.

Your main worry seems to be not allying yourself with a group that will be mocked. Image trumps issues. You don't want to be part of something small, something sincere, something that might be laughed at.

What you don't seem to understand is that every movement starts out that way. Noam Chomsky said that in the early days of Vietnam war protests, he could only get maybe three other people in a room to meet with him, and they all disagreed with his position, but look at how that movement spread across society.

Vox and Dr. Helen are right. I have engaged in activism in my own community for about twenty years, and each year it seems that younger people are less and less involved. They seem to want to hang onto their image, to their irony most of all, and the sincerity of some sort of political activism is too big a threat to their self image.

Anonymous said...

You know, the gays got pretty far with their "silence = death" campaign.

Why can't MRAs come up with a nice, pithy website explaining all of what's going on and call it, say, silenceissurrender.com and then we can all print up stickers to put on/above urinals that say "silence = surrender" with the URL below it.

It might improve awareness

Ted D said...

"They seem to want to hang onto their image"

Is this really a surprise in the age of Facebook and reality TV where image is everything? How many young people look for all the world to be living an "amazing" life according to their Facebook page, but in reality are alone and miserable?

The contrast between our supposed rugged individualism and our need for outside validation is fascinating but sad. You can't BE self-reliant if you base your self worth on how others perceive you, which is essentially what social media is for: getting validation from others that your life is great and worth while.

"the sincerity of some sort of political activism is too big a threat to their self image."

Sure, because much of their self image is tied to how others see them. Hence joining some "fringe" political movement could completely destroy their sense of self worth if others look down on them for it.

John said...

You are right in everything anonymous 8:04AM.

I don't mean to waste time engaging older men. I realize something I'm doing is not enough hence my posts to try to figure out what.

But your post and voxs post point me toward that direction.

Artos said...

If you give your wife "the leadership she craves", and she isn't really craving it today, you could well wind up in a jail cell. She's got a whole army on remote control (initiation code: 911).

Maybe you can work an irrational desire to oppose you just for fun into your calculations about what women desire.

En-sigma said...

Seems to me that women do not understand men.

HUGE shocker.

We know where the power lies, we know where the leadership comes from. The problems that women are experiencing is a phenomenon that we all experienced as children, it just did not catch on to most as they matured - though we treat our own children in the same manner.

When you are told by authority that you should not do that, but you insist that you should be allowed to do that, then are warned by that same authority that it is in your best interest not to do that, but you further insist, eventually you will be allowed to stick the penny in the light socket, touch the candle flame or shoot the BB gun at the metal objects.

It is the same principle being applied by men today. If women want to ruin marriage, let em. We just won't get married. You want the responsibility for running things (even though we both know you can't) then go ahead. When the country hits the skids (see THIRTY YEARS AGO) then it is on you (strong, independent, women), and not us (feeble, useless, men). After all, what kind of leader would entrust these leadership decisions to the likes of men?

We will even let you turn around and blame us for letting you do it. We really don't care - we know the truth and it is your fault for demanding the right to fail. That you failed is not our fault, you demanded the right to do so!

You want to lower the bar, go ahead. We'll even let you complain that the bar has been lowered (and then complain about the existence differences).

Women must understand, we did not want failure, we wanted what is best for you. If that means you gotta fall flat on your face for the rest of your life, then that is your fault.

The world will keep going because it does. People gotta eat, so they will keep working to do so. People gotta do stuff, so they will keep buying themselves stuff so that they can -- and the world will keep spinning.

The manosphere will keep getting called "immature" or "misogynist" or "worthless" by women who say that short hair brings them higher quality men, but they let their hair grow out anyway. ( guarantee you that if baldness brought out bedroom gymnasts who kept an immaculate household, and could cook - not a man would have hair)

Most women know the effects of trying to belittle men. We shake our heads just as if we were watching you put the penny in the light socket and then relegate you to "too stupid to procreate with" status and move on. We know that your horrid decision making process would destroy our potential families and would rather work harder on the Lisa-Tron 3000 than waste any effort with you.

Keep the shaming up. Keep cutting off your hand because it offends you. Keep sticking the penny in the light socket.

SarahsDaughter said...

This is the connection between Game and the refounding of Western Civilization. -Vox

Didn't you leave North America to go to Italy? Why didn't you fight against feminism back here, instead of abandoning ship? - John

John, you do realize that, in fact, Italy is part of Western Civilization, right? And that feminism exists there as well?

___ said...

@anon, Don't presume to speak for everybody above college age. There's a reason you're seeing fewer and fewer young people take part in your so called "activism." It doesn't work and it never has. You're not going to get converts to game by spitting in their face and telling them everything they know is wrong. They will ignore you.

@VD, @John: It seems like you're both talking past each other. VD is calling those who refuse to stand up for themselves cowards. It sounds like John does not fall into that category. He's looking for guidance, suggestions on what more he can do to have a greater impact on his generation.

To that end, I would say start small and grow. If you can introduce a few intelligent men around you to game, you now have a larger sphere of influence. Use it. Form a local group dedicated to public service and lead by example. It used to be that men would join groups like the Rotary club or the Lions club to do this, but it seems those groups are largely dead these days (or don't hold the influence they used to). I remember when churches used to have events organized by men that consisted of more than fund raising, haunted houses and pot luck dinners. There's also local politics and committees.

Anonymous said...

Ted D

Agree. Mostly. Not impossible for them to get anything done, but not likely.


___

"@anon, Don't presume to speak for everybody above college age. There's a reason you're seeing fewer and fewer young people take part in your so called "activism." It doesn't work and it never has. You're not going to get converts to game by spitting in their face and telling them everything they know is wrong. They will ignore you."

You are missing my point. John is acting like some sort of consumer here. He is saying: "Hey, you guys, come up with a solution for me, but make sure there is no sacrifice involved or inconvenience, and it can't be uncool."

All of us older guys will be dead soon, and you will still left with the same problems. All you are doing right now is letting us know that our ideas suck. Fine. Come up with your own.

I don't care if younger guys get involved in what you call my "so called activism." You are smart enough to come up with your own methods.

It is not intelligence or creativity that is missing, it is the political will to get something done.

Again, I go back to the students in the sixties. They made it up as they went along. They didn't whine online that bloggers weren't providing them solutions. They just went out and did it.

I almost feel like our roles are reversed. Young guys today are like the new old people. Set in their ways, crotchety, rigid. If they aren't told what they want to hear they fly off the handle and start the exaggerating and hyperbole.


In the near future you will have this world all to yourself, and the disappointing old people will be all gone. Do you think that will be better, when everyone has a blog and no one wants to take out the garbage?

I agree with Vox and Dr. Helen. Whether or not you take the reigns of your own life is up to you. All I am saying is that it has been done before and you can do it too.

I am signing off by linking to this famous speech on free speech by Mario Savio. This could be you, but it won't be easy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhFvZRT7Ds0


Anonymous said...

For those that are dishartened or fearful just remember truth will out. Yes right now the feminist have the upper hand but the their message is failing to reach more and more young men and women. Why? Simply because it is a lie. However change requires cleaver actions like those of any black knight who is cunning, bold and unyielding looking for the chink in their armour.

Thank you Vox and Dr. Helen.

Anonymous said...

"Every time you keep your head down in order to avoid trouble, you are collaborating with the enemy."

So says the guy who fled to Italy...

Mike M. said...

We must fight, but be prepared to counter the dirty punch. The enemies of Civilization recognize no rules.

Now, let me ask a more cheerful question...if an Omega puts up a good fight, how much does this increase his SMV?

Sigyn said...

Welcome to living in an occupied country. The enemy own everything, all the power structures, all the resources, and all the weapons. They are willing and eager to turn your own against you, and they have, in fact, convinced half of your population that you are not to be trusted.

What do you do?

You do what every other occupied nation has done: Covert warfare. Constant rebellion and subversion.

You can't take up arms against the occupying force (the Left) and win, not now. There are too many "pacified citizens" around you who are too afraid. You have to build support, build consensus. Someday, you will drive the enemy out, but that day is not yet. Build today, and prepare for tomorrow.

You are the Underground. Fight the good fight.

Sigyn said...

Oof, "consensus" should have been "sympathy". I don't know where my brain is today. Sorry, guys.

Heh said...

John, you do realize that, in fact, Italy is part of Western Civilization, right?

Well, north of Rome, anyway.

Leap of a Beta said...

While I agree that keeping your head down helps the enemy, one can't discount doing so in favor of a stronger reprisal at a later date. I know that I have been keeping my own head down the last six months with exceptions made only for specific cases with friends I know won't dismiss me out of hand. I do so because I'm in the process of writing my own play on these matters while also increasing my own value as a man - physical fitness, social awareness, fashion, confidence, leadership traits, and educating myself on classical literature. At the time I believe I've achieve this I'll begin blogging under my full real name while also seeking to have the play produced within the Chicago theatre scene, while doing what I can to submit it to companies nationwide.

There is something to be said for falling back and preparing for overwhelming strikes or guerrilla warfare. Even when dealing with ideologies, theories, and beliefs.

Leap of a Beta said...

One should just make sure to stay aware of levels of determination and bravery to avoid the growth of cowardice and excuses. I avoid any real 'mask' of submission, but rather dance around any set place where I'd become entrenched in defending a specific idea or theory. I personally do so through humor. Its easier to make fun of politically incorrect topics related to red pill ideas if you're able to hide that within making fun of society as a whole.

It helps that the two are almost indistinguishable from one another, but the average, dull, blind, and uneducated Western Citizen will never be able to tell the difference. Even if they do, a simple agree and amplify or self deprecating humor usually solve the problem without any haters feeling enough hate to start making personal attacks.

Daniel said...

Pick fights. Pick them. Find a prominent woman's group, or better yet, a prominent woman, and go to war. It's fun, your status goes up, civilization is defended, and they all end up wanting to sleep with you in the end.

Do it when you are in a position of perceived power, too - don't play fair. I isolated a "utilitarian" feminist student of mine and ran her into the ground in class. When she turned to student services and one of her dirt sniffing ladies' clubs, I ran them down too. I accused them of being unempowered sexists who threw like girls, and smiled the whole time throughout. You should have seen the faces of the die-hards when one of my responses was "oink."

Even the mediator or whatever she was, a velcro headed card-carrier in her own right, laughed at that.

It was a blast, guys. All the dread you dread is in your head. Did a similar thing during a couple of small-town bond issues driven by "the children" (i.e. feminist "investment in the future"). Cut them down when you have the chance: at work, at school, in the community. It's great sport, everyone has a great time, and even the feminoisie velcro-heads end up in one of their two favorite moods: swooning or seething.

If the worst scenario is that you end up losing your job, in handcuffs and forced to register as sex offender, that's not too bad. The upside is that you are going to have girls lined up around the county jail.

Cadders said...

Or.....

Maybe men are 'fighting back'. With their most powerful weapon.

Indifference.

As feminism has woven it's way into society and infected women's (and some men's) behaviours and attitudes, it is becoming clearer to more and more men how little value so many women offer.

These men simply have better things to do.

Doesn't mean they never have interactions, relationships, or sex with women. Just that it's not very important that they do so. It could be the Alpha living his life without regard to what women want, to the Delta / Gamma (finally) giving up on women with the understanding that he is not really giving up on much.

We, as men, would like to see overt action but this is not the dynamic I see. As I mentioned over at Aunt Giggles place (before I realised it is FI Central);

Women have been infected by Feminism for the past 50 years, a facile lie overtly shouted from every rooftop – to create an army of millions. It should come as no surprise that men’s reaction should be equal and opposite – a covert truth that spreads more slowly but embeds more deeply – and results in millions of armies of one.

And the thing is that this process doesn't have to be a conscious positioning amongst men. Blogs such as this, the manosphere, Game, MGTOW and MRAs all concentrate, articulate and accelerate the process. But ultimately men instinctively disregard women in whom they perceive low or no value. And the escalating levels of entitlement and obesity amongst women is reducing the value of women (to men) further every day. Not all men are thinking this way of course. But this only needs to happen at the margins, and particularly amongst the high value men that women desire, for all women to feel the effects. That we have so many articles appearing in MSM decrying the lack of good men, the popularity of HUS etc speaks to me that we have already arrived at this tipping point.

This isn't going to end with some pendulum swinging back towards the centre where the sexes have a more equitable relationship. This is going to end at a place where these indifferent men are taking us. I have no idea where that is but it is unlikely to accord much weight to what women want.

Robert in Arabia said...

ABB

Anonymous said...

They know as soon as they say a word the pussy at home will dry up.

Gordian Knot said...

Let's tell it like it is.

Beta's and sundry orbiters and enablers are really

Collaborators (think Vichy regime)

The One said...

Feminism has little power if you don't marry and basically has zero power if you don't have sex. Once 3D porn matures, it's over for them.

Sigyn said...

This is going to end at a place where these indifferent men are taking us. I have no idea where that is but it is unlikely to accord much weight to what women want.

Grass huts, I'm guessing. Grass huts and lots of decapitations--and, unfortunately, it won't be women getting decapitated.

randian said...

Feminism has little power if you don't marry and basically has zero power if you don't have sex

I believe you are mistaken.

1) Government will still steal your income to redistribute to women. The ultimate in female independence.

2) "Don't marry" may soon not be good enough. Already the case in a couple of Canadian provinces and the UK that cohabitation entitles a woman to the man's assets. Australia is considering or has already passed a similar law. At least one US state is seriously considering it, and you know more states (and countries) will follow.

3) Not having sex will not save you from a false rape allegation or a child support order. Plenty of guys paying for children that aren't theirs or have been jailed, and feminists show little evidence that they care how many innocent men get trampled by their policies.

Bellanca said...

On collaboration v. discipleship, and honoring a repugnant ideology by honoring its hegemony through a strategy of "change from within"; Bonhoeffer's example:

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2013/04/24/5249/?show-at-comment=139988#comment-139988

tz said...

E.g.:

http://www.wkbn.com/2013/04/24/lawsuit-11-year-old-girl-falsely-charged-with-rape/

To avoid feminism and things like child support or rape accusations, it isn't just avoiding sex, it is avoiding any relationship. (If some can go from gamma to alpha, I wonder if the large number of lambdas derives from feminism - given the choice...).

Many betas or lower can exist happily - just as once welfare was considered shameful, but now there are multiple generations who have not known anything other than government checks, instead of finding a real woman for a real family, you can be the provider. At the core they know they've sold their souls, but the whole point is to reject the notion of having a soul.

Now there is strategy and tactics, which I've not considered. Sometimes it is better to zap the gammas as in McRapey. The women might be harder as they are not quite predictable. It might be easier to raise men into sense than to change women.

the league of baldheaded men said...

Begin in the home. If you don't wear the pants with your own woman, the rest is nugatory. Choose your woman carefully, guided by character.

Encourage young men.

Above all keep a sense of humor. "Amused mastery" I believe they call it.

"...if/when i talk red pill with a woman that gets argumentative it's usually a woman +30....."

Don't "talk red pill": Live it. Women couldn't care less about your verbalized rationalizations. My wife will argue feminism all day long, but in the end she does as she's told. When I, smiling with amused mastery, point out this contradiction, she just shrugs and says "I never got along with guys who agreed with me on all that stuff."

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