Friday, April 5, 2013

Alpha Mail: Stalking the Sigma

Anais wonders where to find these rare and difficult, yet highly attractive beasts:
I don't see a way to email you here, so I will venture to ask my question about Sigmas... I'm obsessed with them. I'm an attractive young woman (not attractive enough to marry a Very Alpha alpha, but I think it's reasonable to shoot for a lower alpha/higher beta if we're talking about the "normal" hierarchy) who swoons primarily for Sigmas. I love reading this blog because it helped me put a name to the kind of men I have always fallen madly in love with. I'm an introvert myself. I get plenty of attention on dating sites, out in the world, etc . . . but Sigmas don't seem to congregate on Match.com or often show up at a random party. I have never been into hook-ups or casual relationships, and my only long-term relationships have been Sigmas met in totally unlikely ways.

Maybe this is a hopeless question, as the only place I have ever encountered significant concentrations of Sigmas was at the quirky college I attended- but where is a good place to meet them? I live in a big East Coast city (not NYC). When I encounter them in the wild, they usually really like me.
The fact that Sigmas are relatively rare does not mean they are impossible to find. They are not unicorns. On the other hand, they are less easily spotted than Alphas, who thrive upon being the center of attention, and they aren't necessarily going to come to your attention in a pack of loud, rambunctious men out having a good time.

But there are a few tricks that may prove useful in identifying them in the wild.
  1. Look for the guy who is out in the group, is an obvious part of it, but keeps breaking away from it, especially to pursue women. Sigmas are solitary hunters. They don't need the emotional support from their friends to pursue women, and tend to think that their friends only get in the way.  If you see a group of guys, and one of them seems to periodically vanish and return, he could be their Sigma.
  2. Pay particular attention to the guy who locks eyes with you, disappears for a while, then later appears unexpectedly at your side or behind you. Sigmas like to take people off-guard.  The guy who smiles and approaches you directly probably isn't a Sigma.  He is more likely the guy who initially makes you feel slightly alarmed and WTF was THAT?
  3. If a man seems to be intentionally trying to turn you off or irritate you, he may be a Sigma.  Sigmas relentlessly test and qualify women in order to categorize them.  Of course, he could simply be a jerk. Or a social incompetent. 
  4. Does he cut you away from the crowd? Sigmas aren't herd animals and will always prefer a quiet conversation of two to group banter.  If you're looking for a Sigma and you sense the man with whom you're talking is separating you from everyone else, you may be in luck.  Or he may just be a serial killer.
  5. Do others look to him for leadership? And does he provide it or does he shy away from it?  If the latter, you may have struck sigmatic gold.
  6. Does he make you feel that if you don't take your pants off, he might just go ahead and do it himself without bothering to ask you?  And do you find it worrisome that somehow, that doesn't seem to upset you the way you know it is supposed to? You may have found the type of introvert you seek.
  7. Does he engage you in conversation/flirt with you/have sex with you without even asking your name? Probably Sigma.
If you're seeking a man who isn't a part of the social hierarchy, then keep an eye out for those who ignore its rules, demonstrate contempt for it, and appear to be playing an entirely different game.  If you're at a party, look at see who is off by themselves in a dark corner. You should be able to identify them readily enough.

Those who are glaring at people, nursing drinks, and mumbling to themselves are the Gammas. The one who is simply watching with a slightly arrogant smile on his face is the Sigma.

91 comments:

mmaier2112 said...

" Or he may just be a serial killer. "

Nice.

Anonymous said...

I just read the Tricks list and realised I identify with it. Is that a good thing ? I feel like a unicorn ;)

Alan Lubbard said...

I was immediately reminded of this scene with Michael Keaton from Batman (1989).

http://embed2.anyclip.com/movies/batman/the-antique-room/

Anonymous said...

OK, so what's the difference -- if any --between a Sigma and a Lone Wolf?

VD said...

Sigma is a subset of the set of Lone Wolves. The Sigma is the socio-sexually successful variety.

Josh said...

So the sigma is the serial killer that women want to sleep with and men want to follow.

James Mark II said...

damn. that is a 100% reflection of myself. I guess im a Sigma. Wow.

Anonymous said...

Ski resorts are good for meeting men in general. For sigmas try Argentine Tango, Salsa, West Coast swing dance events. These events offer a large herd of women to pull from in an ideal environment for a guy with little patience for yapping.

Daniel said...

I'm Sigmacus!


And by, "by themselves in a dark corner", you mean "in the crawlspace again," right?

I've got this hierarchy down pat now. Now if only I could convince my omega neighbor from throwing all those loud co-ed parties...

Ian Ironwood said...

Whenever my comments go over length, I try to turn it into a blog post. That's what I did today, when I riffed on this.

http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013/04/girl-game-stalking-wild-sigma.html

You see, Sigmas aren't unicorns. They're centaurs.

TLM said...

Please replace the AG tagline with this more appropriate one Vox.

Alpha Game

Where all the commentators believe they are Sigmas!

Josh said...

For sigmas try Argentine Tango, Salsa, West Coast swing dance events.

You must mean lambda.

notasigma said...

Please replace the AG tagline with this more appropriate one Vox.

And add the following to the Labels: Snowflake bait

TLM said...

Nice try notasigma, but the sociosexual hierarchy that VD created is IMO a prime example of snow-flaking. Alpha & Beta are more than sufficient to cover everything. Nevertheless, I enjoy the comments when all the self-identified Sigmas come out of the wood-work every time there's a post about sigmas.

Anonymous said...

I think my sister's boyfriend is a sigma. Since he went to prison last year, she found out he had been cheating. She drove 600 miles to break up with him in prison, and came back engaged.

Good luck stalking the rebels. Hope it works out for you.

-Trust

zeonxavier said...

"... all the self-identified Sigmas come out of the wood-work every time there's a post about sigmas."

Quite. I suppose many of us who dwell closer to the Gamma side of the spectrum have more than a few Sigma traits, but lack either the confidence or the people skills.

Martel said...

Would a sigma really give a shit if anybody else identified him as a sigma or not?

Just wondering.

Boogeyman said...

She wants to find sigmas? Just walk into a burger joint and ask if anyone can start the juke box like the Fonz.

Bob Wallace said...

"Alpha & Beta are more than sufficient to cover everything."

They're not even close. You might want to try the MBTI or the Enneagram to see how simplistic Alpha/Beta really are.

the bandit said...

What a silly question. Anais should have asked how to keep one.

Joe said...

"Would a sigma really give a shit if anybody else identified him as a sigma or not?"

Probably, they tend to have large egos.

"Alpha & Beta are more than sufficient to cover everything. Nevertheless, I enjoy the comments when all the self-identified Sigmas come out of the wood-work every time there's a post about sigmas."

Usually, you are looking at a Gamma who is being idealistic. However, this is a site dedicated to the acquisition of women on intellectual (read: nerd) terms. We like clear definitions.

Anonymous said...

I am sigma.

Ian Ironwood said...

Alpha & Beta are more than sufficient to cover everything.

If you have no more aspirations beyond a notch, you are correct.

If you see the Red Pill and Game as an exercise in positive masculinity and not a mere seduction skill, however, a more sophisticated approach is in order.

"When all you have is a baseball bat, everything looks like a kneecap"; If all you have to work with is "Alpha" and "Beta", then you are needlessly limiting yourself to the discussion only in those terms. That's fine, if you think with your dick and want to soak in the sweet primordial ooze of the Puerarchy indefinitely, but if you want to actually step up, be a leader worth following, and mature into a man other men respect, then I encourage you to expand your mindset.

And no, I don't care if someone labels me as a Sigma. It's natural that there are more Sigmas here than elsewhere, because it is usually men who apply a more analytic approach to a subject (like Game) who end up finding practical solutions to difficult problems (like the SMP), and who discuss their findings with their fellows. The Sigmas are the intelligensia of the Manosphere. If you want to laugh and make fun, go ahead . . . all you're doing is a DLV.

TLM said...

Bob,
Alpha Beta is sufficient;

Super Alpha & Alpha define Alpha

Kinda Alpha, Beta, Really Beta, & Fag define Beta.

Not real complicated.

chu said...

It is true that there are a lot of Sigmas in the ski resorts. I live in a Colorado ski resort and have met a lot of Sigmas up here. Maybe it's the type of activities that bring them up here: skiing/snowboarding in the Winter and camping, biking, fishing in the Summer. Living in the mountains is more of a solitary life anyways. And the smaller the mountain town, the easier you can spot a Sigma. There are a lot more Alpha douches in Vail compared to Breckenridge.

Z-d said...

@Anonymous
...West Coast swing dance events

Why West Coast Swing? Why not other types of swing or just swing in general?

VD said...

Nice try notasigma, but the sociosexual hierarchy that VD created is IMO a prime example of snow-flaking. Alpha & Beta are more than sufficient to cover everything.

Not at all. As I have repeatedly explained, the binary Alpha/Beta distinction is sufficient for a purely sexual hierarchy. It is woefully insufficient for the socio-sexual hierarchy.

A Sigma is simply the non-socially dominant form of ALPHA.

Alpha: Sexually and socially dominant.

Sigma: Sexually dominant and social outsider.

To attempt to lump BETA:Beta and BETA:Omega in the same socio-sexual category is obviously a complete non-starter.

TLM said...

Ian,
Finding the need to claim you're "Sigma" 'master of the manosphere intelligensia' on the internet is about as DLV as one can get. The amusement to me is the same I get from all those sample studies concerning Christians when the Christians sampled are self-identified. Me thinks Alphas & sigmas, if there is such a thing as a sigma,don't go around claiming their rank as they don't have to, but knock yourself out professor.

VD said...

"Would a sigma really give a shit if anybody else identified him as a sigma or not?"

Of course not. Because he's already outside the social hierarchy. Only those inside the hierarchy are concerned with their rank identification.

We are what we are. What the label happens to be is irrelevant; labels are only useful in this regard insofar as they help us understand the true nature of our relations to others.

VD said...

Where all the commentators believe they are Sigmas!

It's normal and it's not much different than med students convincing themselves that they have whatever disease they are studying at the moment.

Remember, when Roissy first started writing about game, even total geeks like ESR were convinced they were natural alphas.

TLM said...

...Remember, when Roissy first started writing about game, even total geeks like ESR were convinced they were natural alphas....

A form of male solipsism I suppose.

Josh said...

Why does everyone want to think they're a sigma?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a beta and being content with it. Betas have it pretty good.

Ian Ironwood said...

Not real complicated.

You get out of it what you put into it. No, I don't "need" to be ID'd as a Sigma, because I could give a shit. I'm "explaining" something complicated and sophisticated to (apparently) someone who doesn't have the capacity for complicated and sophisticated.

I'm busy doing things, writing things, and getting things accomplished. I've written four books in the last six months, am in the middle of a monumental legal battle, I'm raising three kids and running a Red Pill marriage. I teach, I lead a scout troop, I advise folks on how to get laid, I find interesting and creative ways to make money without working for it, and I get laid twice as much as you do. At least.

I suppose if you consider all that a DLV, then that kind of puts you in perspective, doesn't it? "Not real complicated."

Ian Ironwood said...

"Why does everyone want to think they're a sigma?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a beta and being content with it. Betas have it pretty good."

Absolutely. But Sigmas aren't Betas, they can just present Beta at need. If I was a Beta, I'd be proud to be a Beta, but I'm not. I'm a Sigma presenting Wolf Alpha, so that's what I'm working with. But some of my best friends are Betas: salt of the earth. I couldn't live and work without them.

Hagbard Celine said...

I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid.

SarahsDaughter said...

What the label happens to be is irrelevant; labels are only useful in this regard insofar as they help us understand the true nature of our relations to others.

It is very helpful as a wife to understand the true nature of her husband. Though a husband may be emulating Sigma or Alpha behavior, it is really important to know what his true natural socio/sexual rank is because that will be his fall back behavior in various times of his life.

Alphas and Sigmas have no concern of falling back into Beta/Delta behavior thus risking attraction loss from their wives. However, the emulating of the behaviors has to be cognitively maintained for the Beta/Delta.

When highly stressful life situations come up, a wife of a Beta/Delta emulating Alpha should be well aware that his behavior will change. She would do well to expect it and with empathy not travel down the road of attraction loss (which leads to "I'm not haaaapppy.")

Josh said...

Absolutely. But Sigmas aren't Betas, they can just present Beta at need. If I was a Beta, I'd be proud to be a Beta, but I'm not.

Wasn't referring to you

Josh said...

However, the emulating of the behaviors has to be cognitively maintained for the Beta/Delta.

I would agree for delta, but less so for beta.

SarahsDaughter said...

I agree. The natural Betas I've known are quite different than natural Deltas, it's helpful to have this distinction in categories.

Most men are Deltas. Most of the men reading here, most of the men we walk by every day. The normal, average, every day guy is a Delta.

Factory said...

Oh Geez...is 'Sigma' one of those aspirational titles? I was just excited to see I have a 'type'...but if people are going to get all snarky about it, maybe I should just shut up about today's epiphany....

Natalie said...

Now I'm thinking of all the times my husband and I would end up at some church college event huddled up on a loveseat talking economics. Well, he was talking. I just tried to listen and ask intelligent questions. Guess I found one. Or at least a pretty good imitation of one :)

Factory said...

Natalie: Serious question... Does it ever bug you, or make you feel like you're being talked at, rather than to? I have a hard time shutting up sometimes, especially when explaining complex shit I find interesting...and I've noticed I have developed blind spots when it comes to recognizing glazed over eyes...

Daniel said...

I'm awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid.

Damn that's cold. On a post about Alpha(Sigma), everyone gets a nod, but Omega doesn't even warrant an aspersion.

Poor dude.

TLM said...

Ian
...I'm busy doing things, writing things, and getting things accomplished. I've written four books in the last six months, am in the middle of a monumental legal battle, I'm raising three kids and running a Red Pill marriage. I teach, I lead a scout troop, I advise folks on how to get laid, I find interesting and creative ways to make money without working for it,....

you forgot to include whines like an over-compensating little bitch.

Yeah, you're such a macho sigma, I give you shit and you respond like a woman with your gay resume. Your inner gamma is showing. now go home and get your fuc#ing shine box.

Josh said...

Damn that's cold. On a post about Alpha(Sigma), everyone gets a nod, but Omega doesn't even warrant an aspersion.

Poor dude.


Hege

"the omega is not at the party. No one would have ever thought to invite him."

Anonymous said...

Beta, to me, seems like a pretty natural state of being. They don't need to be so aggressive all the time like the Alpha, which takes a lot of effort and presents a lot of risk. But if an ass kicking is warranted, then the Beta can deliver it. And the Sigmas... well, either you're a Sigma or you're not. I don't think it's something you can actually aim to become. Sigmas are pretty rare, and far too many Gammas and Deltas delude themselves into believing this is them. Deltas are annoying fucks and Gammas are basically losers. They can be redeemed, God knows I was, but it still sucks to be them.

tz said...

Σveryone can see a bit of each of the types in themselves, but is there a dominant type, much like the humors, sanguine, choleric, phlegmatic, and melancholic. Those distinctions lie along two axes.

But I am definitely a Sigma, though given my Catholic approach it doesn't seem to matter (I've in other posts indirectly said I'm looking for the alpha (wolf as Ian put it) bitch to take care of the den and cubs, or put differently a healthy holy mother to do the homeschooling).

I'm at bars most nights featuring a trivia game that as a single player "team" (v.s. teams of 4 or 5!) I can usually snag a gift certificate. 40% of my food and beer is paid for with just that, maybe more. Two of my regular opponents at different sites are "The Irish Divas" and the "Not so Dumb Blonds". They win if the subjects are pop-culture, but usually it is more diverse.

Oh, and I saw the "or he may be a serial killer". The two sets are not disjoint. You will end up either happily married or dead. Sometimes you must take action to remove those who fail the tests.

But that is the point. Alphas are high status but also predictable. Sigmas are surprising because they are creating the rules they are playing by. This can be very uncomfortable. In some ways it is more than alpha - an alpha might get you to do something outside or decide for you, but it will be "inside the box".

Randy Houser (for those into Country) "Running Out of Moonlight" is more sigma than alpha.

I can see why a woman will prefer sigma to alpha, but it is not universal. An alpha dominates, but is predictable. A sigma surprises - if you can expect anything reliably they are more alpha than sigma. They are good at finding patterns, then breaking with them.

There was some old book on make archetypes, Warrior, Magician, Lover, King. King and Warrior are alpha. Sigmas are the magicians altering reality or more likely casting a spell that causes a knot that redefines things destroying the opponent. Merlin compared with Arthur.

tz said...

Remember the culture and society changed. Back in 1870 and 1950, Christendom WAS the alpha-beta within that context and normal so Sigmas who break rules and are counter-cultural were the hippies.

Now that we have paganism as the dominant paradigm, so the alpha-beta-gamma trichotomy is in the context of paganism, so Christians tend to and need to be sigma within the culture.

If the rules are proper and correct, then there is no reason to rebel against them, so Christian sigmas aren't distinct. When the rules are batshit crazy, then the proper thing to do is become sigma or omega.

Myrddin said...

TLM,

You owe me a new irony meter.

T14 said...

This creature, should it exist, is sufficiently rare that I've never witnessed one in a social setting (from school to corporate world to sports world). But hey, if you are sitting comfy in high double-digits without ever having had a close group of male friends, maybe you're the guy.

But if you're not...I'm fully convinced you can't change it. Nobody changes much after about...13. And those who try just look pathetic.

Ian Ironwood said...

TLM:

Sorry, I missed that. I was having sex again. Now I'm whining. About having sex. Again.

What were you doing?

Wait, why would I care?

Anonymous said...

T14:

That's bullshit. Sure changing shit isn't easy after childhood, but it sure as hell can be done with knowledge you didn't have before and some serious effort. That's a big part of what Vox is doing here, educating men about how the world and women really work. Some will listen, and do something about it. Some won't.

Brian the Brain said...

The Elusive Sigma...

Having been a Sigma my entire life and wondering what was wrong with me (as did my parents and school administration), I can only tell the Alphas, Betas, Gammas, and remaining losers that we do not give a flyin' care about anything. I have also found that Sigmas attract Sigmas (male or female) and, at least on the West Coast, we tend to hang out with our own kind. Our groups are leaderless since many of us equate being a lead with being an Alpha and consider Alphas to be overbearing (and quite humorous) over achievers who MUST be in control of everything, all of the time. Betas are the Alphas little 'go-for' boys (bitches?) who do the Alpha's bidding - repulsive to us Sigmas: tell the asshole to do it himself! Deltas and below: poor losers who deserve our pity, not our scorn. The alpha game is just that to us: a game for our amusement. This "game" is to be played or ignored based upon our mood at any given time.

To us, the purpose of any male-to-female relationship is the sex that the relationship brings - no sex = no relationship. Likewise, most of society's rules, cultural norms, dating rules...take your f-ing pick exist for the breaking. Maybe this is why Alpha women find us attractive and Beta, Delta, Gamma women find us irrestible: we simply do not care what society wants from us or thinks about us so we do as we please.

To be clear, the Alpha Game is amusing to us since we consider Alphas to be deriving thier "power" from women. If you think about it, attractiveness to women is what makes an Alpha who and what he is. After all, what is the true test of Alph-ness? Are you or are you not attractive to hot women? If you are, Betas, Deltas, Gammas and whomever the hell else (not the Sigmas) give to you the rank of Alpha. Quite humorous to us, actually.

I think this is largely why the Alphas hate us: your status was not given by us, therefore, we do not accept or respect it.

I do like the whole Sigma vs. Serial Killer thing - very funny:)

Brian The Brainless said...

The first rule about being a Sigma...don't ever talk about being a Sigma.

This is more your speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCDDBjdJLjY

Brian The Brain-full said...

Brainless,

Don't be so hard on yourself: calling yourself brainless 'n all. I am sure you have some good qualities.

I saw Fight Club to - good performance by Brad Pitt. I do not see how it applies here, but you're the expert.

The first rule about being Sigma: don't give a shit about what others think. Much less what they tell you to do.

I give you credit for trying, Brainless. I really do:)

help me said...

Vox could you please tell me I'm a Sigma?

help me said...

Vox, am I sigma?

Diamond Head said...

Vox, AM I Evil?

realmatt said...


"the omega is not at the party. No one would have ever thought to invite him."


And if he did show up and no one told him to leave, he'd be muttering to himself about his stapler and burning the whole place down.

The Lambda of course has his own special parTAY to attend.

T14 said...

Having caught up on Mad Men, the following exchange wonderfully illustrates the divide:

Michael: I feel sorry for you.

Don Draper: I don’t think about you at all.

Paraphrased for these purposes

Low tier guy: I'm a sigma/alpha/etc.

High tier guy: I've never given it a moments thought.

Anonymous said...

"I have also found that Sigmas attract Sigmas (male or female) and, at least on the West Coast, we tend to hang out with our own kind. Our groups are leaderless since many of us equate being a lead with being an Alpha and consider Alphas to be overbearing (and quite humorous) over achievers who MUST be in control of everything, all of the time."

I believe VD has written than omegas gather in "defensive clusters"...

"Betas are the Alphas little 'go-for' boys (bitches?) who do the Alpha's bidding - repulsive to us Sigmas: tell the asshole to do it himself!"

Betas are not repulsive to sigmas, they are amusing.

"To be clear, the Alpha Game is amusing to us since we consider Alphas to be deriving thier "power" from women."

This blog wouldn't be amusing to sigma, it would be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Oh and this...

"Maybe this is why Alpha women find us attractive and Beta, Delta, Gamma women find us irrestible: we simply do not care what society wants from us or thinks about us so we do as we please."

There are no alpha, gamma, delta women. Here we rate women with sliding scale from 1-10, based on beauty.

VD said...

Vox, am I sigma?

You are a very very special snowflake and Mommy loves you very much indeed.

"I have also found that Sigmas attract Sigmas (male or female) and, at least on the West Coast, we tend to hang out with our own kind. Our groups are leaderless since many of us equate being a lead with being an Alpha and consider Alphas to be overbearing (and quite humorous) over achievers who MUST be in control of everything, all of the time."

"I believe VD has written than omegas gather in "defensive clusters"..."

Sigmas don't gather in leaderless groups. At most, two of them might hunt together for a short while. It's not possible for them to do so, because there aren't enough sufficiently attractive girls to go around.

This guy is most likely describing gammas, although omegas are a possibility. Reminds me of the sort of independents who wore Gamma Delta Iota sweatshirts.

T14 said...

Let's not talk frats Vox.

I define me said...

Sigma's are the attractive and sexually successful INTP/INTJ's. These are already two of the rarest personality types, and make up about 1% of the population each. I would guess that within this population only 1 in 200-500 are sexually successful enough to be considered Sigma. So only around 1 in 5000 males qualify as Sigma. Add this to the fact that a sigma doesn't actively seek social gatherings and habitually would rather be alone you can see why it is extremely rare to come across one. Read the traits of those two personality types and apply it to a sexually dominant male and you have a textbook Sigma.

I define me said...

A Sigma is the snow leopard of the human world. They live an independent life, do not travel in packs, are very rarely seen, and make social contact only to mate multiple times before return back to a solitary life of roaming and hunting.

stg58/Animal Mother said...

ERMAGERRHHHHDDDDDD!!!

THAT IS SO TOTALLY ME I AM SIGMA!

Anonymous said...

Re the INTP/INTJ + sexual success = Sigma. This is the correct equation.
They are rarely seen because Game is only a subgame for them. Thus they appear like a flying fish and then vanish into the deeps. (See "Tiger" by William Blake.)

Anonymous said...

I am not sigma
he he he

Diamond Head said...

Diamond Head said...

Vox, AM I Evil?


Yes I am.

Anonymous said...

Maybe I qualify as a Sigma.

Personality type INTJ, late 20's have been with ~40 women. Not really the life of the party, but have been known to get the girl if I do show up. Much better in a 1-on-1 situation. Spend my free time as a musician. Spent two years traveling on my own.

I wasn't always like this, probably a gamma when I was younger. Found game, did my best to become alpha but then realised that my strengths were in doing my own thing. Things went much better after that. Before I found this blog I had already realised that there was another way to be successful, classic alpha was one way while the loner / silent type was another way.

Introversion isn't a bug it's a feature. Without it I wouldn't be able to do what I do. But there is no shyness. If I want to meet someone I do, I perform on stage regularly, can talk to anyone, but am not the kind of guy to role with a crew.

stg58/Animal Mother said...

If you feel the need to post here and ask Vox to qualify you as a Sigma, you aren't one.

It's getting pathetic.

jetaz said...

Question of definitions; since it is a socio-sexual hierarchy, rather than merely a sexual hierarchy, does being an Alpha or Sigma require that one have a high notch count? Or is the ability to have a high notch count sufficient? For example, is the devout Christian who finds fornication immoral bared, by definition, from being an Alpha or Sigma? Or do we assume that one doesn't have a high notch count because one is incapable of gaining it?

realmatt said...

jetaz

What the hell do you think??

If you feel the need to post here and ask Vox to qualify you as a Sigma, you aren't one.

It's getting pathetic.


I agree especially the posts by self proclaimed Sigmas coming here to declare themselves Sigma and to remind us that they don't care either way and they have 2 friends and their wives and that's all because they don't give a damn but everyone is clamoring to get to them but they don't care if you believe they're sigma or not.

And what was up with Diamond Head showing up? Pretty cool, huh? haven't heard from THEM in a while, right?

Yeah, right on, man. Right on.

John the Savage said...

I stumbled on this from Cappy Capitalism. Interesting seeing people write about shit I've known 20+ years. About frickin' time. I recognise the others from Huxley's Brave New World. Where does Sigma come from?

@jetaz -- Now 40, Catholic, a grizzly old hermit, celibate three years. And I get hit on more than ever. Last night it was one I've never spoken to before, but I know the last 4 guys she fucked and which one she called the cops on. Made me laugh. I'll be giving her a ride to court, which means she's unlikely to make it. Default is dismisal. "Platonism is idolatry". Understand those three words, and you'll know where we are and what must be done. Reprobus @ forums.catholic.com if the subject interests you.

@Anonymous -- INTP. Wealthy. Smart. Can "bump-fire" a bolt-action (SMLE #1 Mk. III*, a .303 not the 7.62 firing blanks in the video). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFYZHLuxXZ8

Assuming I fit the bill, your 7 points are off a bit.

1. I have many friends, but always carry the knowledge that the people around me are freaking lunatics. Standard issue western "useless idiots". Communists who don't know what communism is. Blue pill types. I am not a solitary hunter, in fact I am not a hunter at all. I know full well that it is women who choose, not men. Women are troublesome and expensive and will come after me regardless. So I don't advertise.

2. I don't lock eyes. I just notice some chick staring at me. A woman who is "into the group" will seek a pack-minded man. If she's looking at me, something is up. Approaching directly puts her in charge before I've had a chance to qualify. Often I am simply being a good host. Refilling a glass or pulling someone shy into a conversation, then vanishing. Parties and idle chit-chat bore me. I will play host just for something to do. When some woman starts following me around, asking questions, or shows up naked and brings beer -- it is I who am surprised.

3. Qualify, qualify, qualify. I don't use "game" to attract women, but to deflect them. "Something is up" means she's butt ugly, or looking to make someone else jealous, or... or.... there's plenty of reasons. Most of them I don't have time for. 90% are looking for someone else. I am the unknown wingman. For myself? Smart. Clean. Elegant. Not slutty. Not diseased. And she will chase me. I go for unicorns. And I get 'em. Or used to.

4. I despise group-think. I speak freely in private, one-on-one, with people who are qualified as safe to speak to, or who desperately need to hear some red pill truth. Cutting out and calming the crazies, both male and female. In public I tell a few jokes, behave unpredictably, refusing to be identified, pigeon-holed or nailed down. I am in equal measures subversive, and babysitter -- if I feel like it.

5. People who actively seek leadership roles have no clue how time-consuming and thankless and sometimes dangerous the task really is.

6. Her eyes say yes, but if you ask she'll say no. The first night sets the tone for all that follows, so if I say I picked up a chick, I mean I physically lifted her off the ground and carried her home. No BS no acting no hellish forced conversation. No question that what I say, goes. Easy as pie. I will put her down only when she has quit squirming and calling for help. "You have ten seconds. If you want to flee or call the cops, now's your chance. Otherwise you'll have to wait till I fall asleep." If you don't know what I mean, go buy a female house cat. The psychology is identical, right down the part where they claw you if you're being nice.

7. Don't need names. I don't make phone calls or send texts. If she consistently shows up places I might be, that's half-way "qualified".

"Let man fear woman when she loves, for then she will bear any sacrifice, and account all other things valueless." --Nietzsche

Anonymous said...

I'm a gamma who wishes he was a sigma.

Anonymous said...

You looking for INTPs and INTJs. I never really realized it was that rare, but I know a field that's littered with them. A company I use to work for made all their field engineers take a customer service class, and we took this test as part of that class. Nearly all of us scored INTPs or INTJs. It's probably the job that attracts us. Work out of your house or car. I lived in Kentucky and the office was in California. You're on your own, and the boss usually leaves you alone as long as you take care of business and don't give him any reason to look at you.

Thales said...

Yeah, INTJs are around 2-3% of the population; about the same for INTPs, but I'd say the latter is less obviously (or likely to be) "sigma" male -- if one is *too* open and reactive, that's "beta".

The rub for females is that an INTJ knows what he wants, and if you're not it, it's pump-and-dump time at best.

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The One said...

@Jetaz

I feel you are contradicting yourself. You are rejecting those who call themselves self proclaimed sigmas, but at the same time asking whatever or not a Sigma should have a high notch count. The best person to answer this question besides Vox would be a sigma, but you reject those who call themselves so.

Brain The Brain-Full??? said...

"Brainless, The first rule about being Sigma: don't give a shit about what others think. Much less what they tell you to do."

Dude, you just proved to everyone you do give a shit what others think. If you are claim to be a sigma, you would have never responded in the first place.

John the Savage said...

Sorry, Anais. Can't help you. You're out of your tiny little mind.

You're looking for an INTJ /INTP. Probably an engineer, economist, or IT guy. Lives in his car or some Bucky Fuller contraption and doesn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of it. It'll be an odd-ball car, too. Something you'd find on bringatrailer.com. A Sweptline Dodge or a million mile Mercedes.

He is likely nowhere near a city, certainly not NYC. Being smarter than most he'll be in some place the citiots can't get to easily, and where there is plenty of food and fuel to be had locally. He is likely too busy preparing for the collapse of western socialism to care much even if he did notice you, which he most likely won't. Unless you know how to dress venison, can food, run a still, wire 12v electronics, and hand-load for a 12 guage.

You'll be better off looking for something else. Some nice, socially acceptable conformist with a job, maybe. Smart enough to have a job, no debt, money in the bank. Stupid enough to marry or shack up. There's a tall enough order, and finding it won't leave you heartbroken and/or destitute. A "sigma" will.

There. Problem solved.


smoothreentry said...

On a date I recently had a woman mention that I define my boundaries by purposely antagonizing others.

A different date said she didn't know if I was unaware of my effect on others, of if I just didn't give a shit...

I'm thinking these are Sigma traits. Great post.

Beau Craythorn said...

PS: The quote, "I don't expect you to agree. I don't even expect you to understand." is awesome.

Anonymous said...

I am an Epsilon, always show up under the limit

Jonathan Lembauch said...

Calling all sigmas, check out mguy's blog "Rise of the Sigma Male" at http://scienceofmack.blogspot.com/. Subscribe and join the Brotherhood of the Sigma. We need regular commenters to get a discussion going. At least forward the message on to sigmas you know.

You to Mr. Vox!

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Nischnat Biswas said...

A Sigma is not a lesser alpha or higher beta. Sigma is high alpha with many lone wolf characteristics. So, a Sigma is Sigma, parallel with Alpha.

Ciaronemous said...

i would class most men interested in pua red pill game theory etc as Sigma
these guys arent alpha and not content to be beta train themselves in various ways to game the system
maybe i'm missing something
anybody know what a sigma personality looks like on the myers briggs personality test?

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