Friday, April 26, 2013

Oh sweet Oprah

We're not just talking a lack of Game here on McRapey's part, we're talking national class anti-Game:



Clearly the pick-up artists are going about it all wrong. If you want to score with a woman, it only makes sense that your best move must be to sit around, look inoffensive, and hope that some high-T manjaw with furry arms will ask you to dance. Also, rocking a sweet sweater like that can only boost your odds. Notice how quick he is to show off his ring and to mention his wife's name. (Subtext: she's a real live woman, honest! I didn't build her in my basement or anything!) This is not exactly behavior indicative of a man accustomed to female attraction.

It's telling that a man so openly opposed to the simple concept of a socio-sexual hierarchy would have previously been opposed to the idea of The Rules. I don't know what the actual Rules are, but the distaste for them makes it apparent that what we see here is the Gamma's female-wired, narcissistic mind at work. One might understandably be in denial about the concept of the hierarchy due to distaste for one's low place in it. But to object to The Rules as well tends to indicate an intrinsically effeminate view of oneself as a Unique and Special Snowflake.

It is trivially true that every couple has to come up with their own rules that suit both parties. That's simply a practical reality. But such a step can only come well AFTER the fact and is irrelevant with regards to attracting or successfully navigating the first relationship steps with the opposite sex. And to deny that both sets of rules, relationship and pre-relationship, will necessarily be based on some sort of common male-female relations template, the formulation of which is the result of observing human behavioral patterns, is indicative of the conventional Gamma male reality warping.

97 comments:

VryeDenker said...

I feel a little diminished for having watched this.

Jack Amok said...

Now that's what a woman is after. Yeah!

kh123 said...

This makes the rabbit squee all the more understandable*.

(*In the sense of understanding why patches of your lawn are dying by catching the neighbors' dog in the act.)

kh123 said...

(...You can suspect, but it's not the same as actually observing and confirming. Science.)

Anonymous said...

I could only watch 29 seconds before having to bail to keep my sanity.

Boris said...

Thanks Vox. I shall now take my eyes out with a pencil.

Anonymous said...

Meh, this a weaker post because your disdain for Scalzi is clouding your judgement.

First, you don't know what The Rules are. Look them up; they're sheer idiocy. It's also pretty clear from body language/facial feature that the person Scalzi's arguing against *in this instance* is a ball-busting bitch and in the clip Scalzi elegantly evades contact with her cuntiness.

The vest is what it is and I'm not going to try to defend it because that's before my gen. The wedding ring thing is weird, but it's not necessarily antigame. The initial mention of the wife in that tone is solid gamma. Scalzi might be a gamma in grand scheme of things, but he was probably at MAX testosterone in this video, because he doesn't come across half as poorly as you make him sound. By ye fruits ye shall know them, and on this count the youtube commenter on top really says it all:

"A decade and a half after this clip, John Scalzi is still happily married and Rules author Ellen Fein divorced the man she cited as an example of how well The Rules work. Just saying."

The "wait-for-someone-to-ask-you-to-dance" suggestions Scalzi are anti-game today, but it may have been a different time then, and his advice isn't directed at men anyway. Even though he's not *too* bad in body language, he pretty clearly repulses the woman next to him with the grab, but then he eases her up with a joke and doesn't let up as a gamma might.

Video ranking: beta.

Anonymous said...

Breaking it down a little tighter:
you're probably looking hard the first thirty seconds, but its just not meant to be taken that seriously and the minimal self-deprec isn't going to hurt. The "I didn't notice her" line is A+ game and nice wrapped in beta.

The business card is neutral.

The last 1:30 is actually pretty good because the hamsters start to run and while an Alpha might play the situation to his advantage with a well-placed barb, Scalzi lets them spin - which is the best even a lesser alpha could do. Overall, way better than I'd guess.

Rantor said...

What a whack, wallowing in his own little world. Only Oprah could defend him.

VD said...

The business card is neutral.

No. The business card is only neutral if you do it when you haven't even talked to the girl or if she's been your waitress. Not when she approached you and you've spent the entire evening with her. That's weak; as he even declares, it is openly rejecting taking the lead in that situation. Pure gamma.

Scalzi lets them spin - which is the best even a lesser alpha could do.

He's not letting them spin, he simply can't manage to get a word in edgewise. That's why he's sitting there with his hand upraised, waiting for the teacher to call on him.

VD said...

"A decade and a half after this clip, John Scalzi is still happily married and Rules author Ellen Fein divorced the man she cited as an example of how well The Rules work. Just saying."

I looked them up. "The book suggests rules that a woman should follow in order to attract and marry the man of her dreams."

In other words, they clearly worked for her to attract and marry the guy. Which is all they are supposed to do. Building a successful marriage is tangentially related with attracting a mate, the two are non synonymous. You're committing a category error here.

Anonymous said...

"No. The business card is only neutral if you do it when you haven't even talked to the girl or if she's been your waitress. Not when she approached you and you've spent the entire evening with her. That's weak; as he even declares, it is openly rejecting taking the lead in that situation. Pure gamma."

tbh, I said neutral b/c its too contextual to call. would I drop my bcard after a bump n grind? nah, but it didn't sound like that kind of dance.

Plus, according to my pops leaving your number in some form with a couple dozen girls is something that *used to work*. I'm in trading so it's not sooper effective, but some of my boys in ibanking just drop that card everywhere like you said and let the girl run a little bit. from times when I sociopathically faked it three years ago I got a 1/5 response rate which is frankly amazing given the effort. not sure about sci-fi relationship columnists or w/e, but I could (and I think you could) see it going either way, even given what you know about Scalzi (although I'm not trying too hard to visualize this guy doing the pickup).

Anonymous said...

"In other words, they clearly worked for her to attract and marry the guy. Which is all they are supposed to do. Building a successful marriage is tangentially related with attracting a mate, the two are non synonymous. You're committing a category error here."

true, but that's what Scalzi says *in a convoluted way* in the clip. if you're a fit girl who aged out of marriage bc of career or w/e the rules are going to attract the kind of man you can't sustain an attraction to.

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Anonymous said...

Max testosterone? Doesn't come off poorly? A+ game? Lesser alpha?

You must be out of your mind or you are seeing too much of yourself in Scalzi to admit he's gamma.

Anonymous said...

"You must be out of your mind or you are seeing too much of yourself in Scalzi to admit he's gamma."

nah, check the context of the comments.

Scalzi could easily be a gamma in real life today. I don't know. But the guy in this video was solid beta on the Vox-scale and could've, just maybe, been lesser alpha.

Anonymous said...

If you are seeing alpha anywhere in this video, you really are out of your mind or delusional.

VD said...

But the guy in this video was solid beta on the Vox-scale and could've, just maybe, been lesser alpha.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I might give you delta were it not for the feminine mannerisms and the woman next to him getting creeped out. But not beta and definitely not lesser alpha.

Do you see a single woman there showing any sign of being charmed by him? Do you not see the plethora of supplication signals on his part?

Lamarck Leland said...

If a guy is the only man in the room can he be the contextual alpha regardless of his true nature?
Judging from the woman's reaction at 1:57 it doesn't look that way.
In the video Scalzi just comes across as a too-intelligent-for-his-own-good nice guy, the description of gamma.
Good that he's still married.

Makaro said...

Wow that guy is a dork.

realmatt said...

Faggy position showing off the ring

He even kind of sounds like you , Vox. You don't have to publicly distance yourself from your Earth-2 counterpart. If hes detroyed while in our universr youll be destroyed as well.

LP 999/Eliza said...

"Oh, oh, so sexy, equality."

Um, this is fine for that genre but not among his own peers. or there are beta men who share these wonderful beliefs about dancing request, equality and O worship?

Bless his heart, its a cute video. I bet his wife is a saint.

LP 999/Eliza said...

Feminine mannerisms in men are creepy in a sad way; "he is low T."

Shimshon said...

I grew up in Los Angeles and my mother worked in the fashion business, in the 1970s. He looks and sounds like a fag, and I know of what I speak.

The glasses are hilarious. Besides huge, anti-glare coatings weren't exactly new even then. Wow.

Hamilton said...

That guy reminds me of too many pastors.

NateM said...

The problem with The Rules idea of playing hard to get and rarely answering calls is any guy with self respect takes that as a lack of interest and moves. The guys who get More interested by being strung along are BETA of the highest order.

Ioweenie said...

He's a putz.

Weak said...

He wasn't max-T, he was high adrenaline. And who wouldn't be in their first appearance on national TV?

Mr Scalzi did a very good job in his mannerisms and his comments. He articulated the classic gamma position in a classically gamma way. Since Mr Scalzi has fully embraced gamma, he did a great job expressing gamma there.

He's not alpha. We already knew that. He knows that. He's gamma. He was max-gamma in the video. Entertaining, but sadly we learned nothing new.

Ddog said...

Goodness!!! I have followed some of this scalzi discussion but I had not head or seen video, only the "oh so hip t-shirt" photo. I will wager a king's ransom that someone has cuckolded him or will.

Vox, this twerp is pathetic, let's ignore this silly person. I couldn't even watch the whole thing without out getting bored by his predictably " oh so post modern" man meme.

Anonymous said...

When he touched the woman next to him, she was creeped out and he had no clue. The disdain the women in the audience had for him was so thick you could cut it with a knife, yet he plowed on. It was like he was autistic with some sociopathy thrown in for fun.

yep

Orion said...

Lesser Alpha assessor needs to watch the entire video again and focu on the faces in the audience. First thing that struck me was that even those that smiled at first (who wants to be on national tv with a grimace?), soon go at best blank faced. Many actually do grimace and some even lean away despite not being within two yards of him.

Joshua_D said...

Good grief. He's so gay.

Stride Rite said...

That brunette on stage: "If I have to ask a man to dance, I don't want to marry him." Word is bond.

My girlfriend recently commented on something I did on our first date. We were walking down the street, toward a whiskey bar. I had already grabbed her hand. But she was on the street side. I told her she was a woman and needed to be on the inside. Then promptly switched sides.

This move (which was by design, heh) apparently got the 'gina juices flowing.

A Scalzi would've Title IX'ed his way down the sidewalk, girl on street side. On the way to a soy latte.

Josh said...

Plus, according to my pops leaving your number in some form with a couple dozen girls is something that *used to work*

That isn't what Scalzi did at all.

I'm in trading so it's not sooper effective

Of course you are.

Anonymous said...

Its just so obvious this man is clueless with women. The faces on the women gave it all away, this nice guy act, preaching equality turned them all off. They know their meant to believe thats the right way, due to brainwashing media, but they can hardly contain how repelled they are by his gene sapping fitness indicators.

The guy oozes sexual failure from every pore. If being married proves he's a winner all I need to do is marry my sisters fat friend who is besotted by me and I'm a big evolutionary winner?

Watched a PBS documentary on evo-psych recently, the guy on there was supplication personified. His wife was objectively fat and unattractive and the guy was banging on about how gorgeous she was lol!!

I got nowt against the idea of of being with a fat woman, for reasons of child rearing and character etc, but pretending she is gorgeous just gives the game away.

Razoraid said...

That's somebody's fake daughter!!!

Soga said...

The man was titled an "AOL Relationship Columnist"?

Why is nobody else laughing at that? I thought that was one of the highlights of the video, next to the way he held up his hand to show off his ring. It made me chortle.

MarkP said...

Wow. That video is so wrong on so many levels, even up to the 44 second mark, at which point I had to pause it and nav to The Chateau. My God.

GF Dad said...
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Anonymous said...

Hasn't the guy already owned the fact that he's a gamma? What's the issue?

VD said...

What's the issue?

There is no issue, it's just really funny to see the younger McRapey in action.

Anonymous said...

It's not that funny, you're obsessed with the guy

Josh said...

Was he a rapist back them, or did he become a rapist when he grew the beard?

VD said...

It's not that funny, you're obsessed with the guy

Why do you hate incestuously raped gay little black girls, Anonymous, why?

I'm just doing my bit for charity here. Don't be a hater.

Anonymous said...

Barf. I got thru 40 sec. It's a waste of time to try to take anything away from this clip (other than some anthropological laffs). It's Oprah from what, a dozen years ago? Maybe more. Horribly biased host and audience and he looks ridiculous due to his dated sweater and glasses (current at the time I suppose).

ajw308 said...

Is that really Scalzi and not some poser from a gay bar? He thruck me as tho thenthitive.

How many men turn to Oprah for guidance?

This reminds me of an ancient post by the OC where he talked about all the groupies any author, no matter how minor, draws attention from in the right venue.

I'm suspecting I'd use different adjectives to describe his wife than he does.

Daniel said...

Why do you hate incestuously raped gay little black girls

Oprah's not that little, Vox.

The Deuce said...

That was hilarious. I like how at the beginning, when he goes "equality blah blah blah," you see a bit of nodding approvingly. But as he starts describing the actual process of "letting the woman take the lead" in action, with its passivity and handing out of business cards, you see the faces of all the women turn to horror and contempt.

rycamor said...

At 1:23... the annoyance on that woman's face had me laughing out loud. Her eyes are saying "why do you even exist?".

Joshua_D said...

"rycamor said...
At 1:23... the annoyance on that woman's face had me laughing out loud. Her eyes are saying "why do you even exist?"."

I watched the vid again, without sound, so I could focus on the women's faces. In addition to 1:23, the black woman at 1:17 gives him the "what the hell white boy!" look.

Harsh said...

I will always refer to him as AOL Relationship Columnist John Scalzi...

GF Dad said...

And I will never wear a sweater again, Mr. Huxtable.

Anonymous said...

I cannot get the way he showed off his ring out of my mind. Am now attempting a lobotomy...pray it works!

Josh said...

There is something about the gamma that repulses women in a way that a lambda does not.

daddynichol said...

Anytime a man displays a ring by putting his arm up and palm out, I think, "Nancy boy."

rycamor said...

Note how Oprah ends the segment: "Also, the men get to speak... (flicker of an eye roll) some more."

Amanjaw Marc*ntte said...

EPIC mid-sentence backturn at 1:15.

Desert Cat said...

Terrifying that I used to dress like that, glasses and all.

Funny though, I recently put on one of my last remaining sweaters over a shirt because it had gotten unexpectedly cold before we went out, and my wife got all gushy on me. Apparently she liked me that way...
*shudder*

RobertT said...

Whoops. His chance to become the next Bill Kristol just evaporated. Most of the faces they scanned were registering distaste. You know they were thinking, "Whew, don't step in that icky stuff." His gamma charge is so strong, he didn't notice.

RobertT said...

Whoops. His chance to become the next Bill Kristol just evaporated. Most of the faces they scanned were registering distaste. You know they were thinking, "Whew, don't step in that icky stuff." His gamma charge is so strong, he didn't notice.

Sensei said...

Anyone else immediately reminded of Rick Moranis?

ajw308 said...

The John Scalzi method of getting hit on:
She walked up to me and she asked me to dance
I asked her her name and in a dark brown voice she said Lola
L-o-l-a Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

Well I'm not the worlds most physical guy
But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine
Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand
Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man
Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
...

Sigyn said...

No. Rick Moranis is funny.

Daniel said...

Rick Moranis could do a killer McRapey, however.

Amanjaw Marc*ntte said...

Honey I Shrunk Your Libido.

Ioweenie said...

Desert Cat: Terrifying that I used to dress like that, glasses and all.

Funny though, I recently put on one of my last remaining sweaters over a shirt because it had gotten unexpectedly cold before we went out, and my wife got all gushy on me. Apparently she liked me that way...
*shudder*

You're hip, Desert Cat. The 80/90s are in. My 22-year old son and his bandmates like to shop vintage. Can hardly contain my bemusement when they sport the Dr. Huxtable sweaters, which I found appalling then.

JCclimber said...

He wasn't as bad as I expected.
I mean, the dude's obviously gay or gamma, but at least he isn't drag-queen gay.

The dude is gamma though, because women can actually warm up to a gay man because he will tease and neg them with confidence because he is outcome independent.

This dude serves one purpose in life. He lowers the bar on women's expectations of manliness.

Harsh said...

Hmmm, on his site Scalzi denies that he was ever AOL's relationship columnist and that Oprah made it up. He should just man up and own it.

Daniel said...

JCclimber
but at least he isn't drag-queen gay.

Uh, you stand corrected.

Ioweenie said...

He looks more manly dressed as a woman than dressed as a man.

He's probably nit-picking about a title generated after the fact, misunderstood, miscommunicated by the producer. Pretty common bad TV practice. No matter. He oozes apology, whines please convince me I'm really okay. Mommy says so but she has to.

A Man For All Seasons said...

Wow, I'll have to say I have liked several of Scalzi's books, and although he clearly has been espousing white knight rhetoric, I thought he didn't quite deserve to be a white knight poster child.
However, after seeing that clip, I'm appalled. He is completely lacking in masculinity. The amazing thing is that I probably wouldn't have noticed it before I took the red pill, and very likely would have agreed with him.

What What said...

Notice the number of times he uses "I" and "me" in that putrid discourse. That's female solipsism in an (arguably) male body.

Stride Rite said...

He looks like Kip from Napoleon Dynamite

Desert Cat said...

Ioweenie said...
You're hip, Desert Cat. The 80/90s are in. My 22-year old son and his bandmates like to shop vintage. Can hardly contain my bemusement when they sport the Dr. Huxtable sweaters, which I found appalling then.

Lord help me. Now I know I'm over the hill!

Recently I busted out with that hip-hop vintage shopping tune around my young nieces. Shocked them that I would be so "cutting edge" (LOL, thanks Vox!) Apparently I went up several "hip points" as a result.

My intern at work tells me that "creepy moustaches" are back in, and I only a year ago finally lost mine. Sheesh...

I don't know Vox. Maybe we're out of touch. If McRapey's look is coming back in, maybe we're in for a redux of the 80's "sensitive male" too.

Stride Rite said...

Vox, or anyone else with insight,

Is the "I have gay friends" thing with straight women a growing trend in shit tests? Several girls I dated last year seemed to bring it up early on, with a sorta "you don't have a problem with that, do you?" look on their faces.

I typically responded with, "Nah. Love me some fags. No hate! H8!"

They looked aghast at first, but I realized they were only doing this out of their PC upbringing. Then they'd laugh hysterically, often covering their smiles.

I think a "fag" drop is a good DHV, and shit test toward a woman.

Whilst out with my girlfriend the other night, we wanted to take a photo. I pointed to two obviously Prop 8 men and said, "Let's get those faggots to take it for us."

Laughter ensued. (She also tried to shit test me early on in the relationship with the "my gays" stuff.)

Brad Andrews said...

> anti-glare coatings weren't exactly new even then.

Having sensitive eyes with a large correction made such quite worthwhile. Being able to see is part of surviving in life, not necessarily a fashion statement. I never could stand sweaters much.

M. Gaze said...

And as it turned out, Oprah became one of the many, many people whose existence one can use to instantly disprove Scalzi's asinine "Lowest Difficulty Setting" schtick.

stg58/Animal Mother said...

My testicles thanked me for watching none of it. They still hang low and heavy. I spent that time putting together my new set of web gear from Original SOE. I have never seen web gear like this. Certainly nothing like the H harness I got in boot camp. Gorgeous.

Anonymous said...

Whoops...I had no idea he was also a "respected" relationship expert....The situation is even worse than I thought.

What a wuss...and I'm not claiming to be the guy who that can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

What many less "manly" persons seem not to realize is that it is the strong that allows so many others to be weak while looking down their noses at the "less civilized"..

Aaron Inv.

Anonymous said...

ydgi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7g7B0bASy80#!

there's no way anyone could watch this vid and not conclude that the guy is a flamer, yet he basically sells books on how to get sex and in the Roissy sense is a sooper alpha

while most of your commenters seem to be southern fried or midwestern, on the accela corridor it's probably more helpful to look/be a little faggy if you really want to clean up.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2705485/

that said, I watched the video again and I'm going to tamp down the upper end of my estimation of this guy's rank bc the raising of the hand thing turned out to be real

Anonymous said...

Wow. What a creepy little fuck.

cheap jerseys said...

He looks like Kip from Napoleon Dynamite

redlegben said...

The best man in my wedding was gay, and he was way less faggy than Scalzi in that. My best man would have beat the shit out of Scalzi for giving gay men a bad rep over that interview.

DerpyJoe said...

There's something adorable about a purported alpha web stalking a hapless omega male, because, you know, that's what alphas do, spend time daily worrying about what pitiful specimens like John Scalzi do.

Absolutely amazing that anyone would accept the word of an insecure little prick like Vox Day in regards to what is alpha, Vox is clearly about 0.0001 steps up the gamma ladder from Scalzi.

VD said...

There's something adorable about a purported alpha web stalking a hapless omega male, because, you know, that's what alphas do, spend time daily worrying about what pitiful specimens like John Scalzi do.

I see we're not exactly clear on that whole Alpha/Sigma differentiation, are we now.... DerpyJoe, if I was insecure, I would stop posting about Scalzi for fear of what people like you think about it. And yet, you see, I don't. I simply do what amuses me. I suggest you compare what I do to what Scalzi, an actual gamma, does.

I note that your use of "adorable" here gives away that you are a Whatever reader.

OGRE said...

NERD!!!!

I want to smash him so much

Ioweenie said...

Desert Cat,

No doubt, you make it look good - the Huxtable sweater, the "creepy" 'stache. Your wife liked it then, likes it now.

tz said...

I don't think Scalzi has offspring (pray Darwin was right!). Cuckoldry is always an option. Somehow a scene from one of the Alien movies comes to mind. Screw an alpha and a delta, but in very different manners.

The Scolds' Bridle said...

Looking at the still frame on the video, it looks like his eyeglass lenses are half-full with weepy gamma tears.

OGRE said...

I've watched this 3 times now. Its that freaking funny. Kinda like Curb Your Enthusiasm...if Larry David was poor, ugly and had a vagina.

the league of baldheaded men said...

The black chick at 1:16 pretty much sums it up with her look of open contempt.

I enjoy the scalzi-baiting here, but I can see how it would be counterproductive in some ways. There have always been a minority of submissive John Stoltenberg types that preferred the female role in relationships, but now this guy is being held up as a representative of everything wrong with modern manhood. I can see the average guy who needs to work on himself and improve his SSH standing viewing this and thinking "maybe I'm not so bad after all---this dork makes me look like 'the Rock' ".

tz said...

I also note he started growing a beard. That seems to be more common. He would have looked better in the wig for the sci-fi cover thingy with the blond wig without (not much, but infinitesimals need all the help they can get).

The main problem with Game is that it is very effective at getting the girls, but has no way of making the girls worth getting. The spinsters can have their cats, and the dirty old men can act on their Viagra prescription. Yet femininity is all but dead.

In most of the stories where the hero "gets the girl", there would be no reason to return or exchange her as being defective.

Amanjaw Marc*ntte said...

"some high-T manjaw with furry arms"

YUP.

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