Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Post-equalitarian parasitic culture

Rollo features an intriguing post by Mark Minter on the ongoing system failure presently pervading Western civilization:
You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. They see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.  And they are earnest and driven in structuring society and the law in such a manner that you are no longer needed.

They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it. Their job and their female friends are more important to them than you are. They are celebrating and defining single motherhood as the form of child rearing preferrable to a two parent household.

And you should expect the bad behavior of women in relationships and in social situations to only get worse. There is a massive demographic shift that has been occuring since the end of the birth control. Compare the dearth of child bearing age women against the number of men from 19-55 that chase those women, men that throw deals and enticements at the feet of those women, with the rise in social media mechanisms available today that permit women to be approached and have those deals thrown at their feet, and you have a recipe for more trouble ahead for men. 
One needs to allow for a certain amount of rhetorical drama here, of course, but what Minter is saying is entirely observable from a societal perspective.  The relevant point isn't about whether each individual woman despises men, which is simply not true, it is whether the society that the majority of women support and with which they are attempting to replace traditional Western civilization does so in a structural manner.  The irony is that for all it despises men, such a society is no less dependent upon men as the civilizational structure it is replacing because it is a society of parasites that tends to remind one of Douglas Adams's B-Ark Economy.

It will be interesting to see how long a society full of women's study majors, lawyers, and social workers will be able to survive on the wealth produced by men who are players, thugs, and videogame junkies.

20 comments:

jonw said...

We men are going to have to help ourselves. The government needs men out of the way to allow them to play husband and father.
The girl power era has repeatedly sent us the message that we are a less than.
Learn game.Stand up for yourself. If you are a basement dwelling mama's boy; look at yourself in the mirror and say,f*ck them, I'm better than this.
Hell,yeah!
Vox got me fired up.

newkindalife said...

I guess I should not be surprised at the sheer volume of men who will manifestly deny the truth contained in the rhetoric. Not on this site, clearly, but out and about. I should not be surprised considering my willing sublimation of so much of my own manhood until recently. You don't know what you don't know until realizing you don't know it.

Hope isn't just a word. It involves action. My wish is more men realizing the aspects of Game. My hope lies in the fact that I found it and see that any suitable change that will occur in society begins right at home.

FeminizedWesternMale said...

"It will be interesting to see how long a society..."

I don't think "interesting" is the correct word -- seeing as that most of the "speaking parts" in this little drama of the "History Of The Civilized World" is all made up of mostly European Males, I imagine clusterf*ck is a more appropriate word.

JCclimber said...

The pendulum will swing. The question is exactly how far and how quickly it will swing back in the opposite direction.

One interesting thing in watching the Walking Dead series is how the beta story writers manage to have the grrrrlll power archetype still written into the armageddon scenario. How they seem to ignore that the beta mindset that enables the continuation of that false paradigm will be quickly and ruthlessly eliminated.

How the only way women will survive in that kind of situation will be those with a strong alpha male protector. On the other hand, this is Hollywood and they're in the business of peddling entertainment, not truth.

And one reason the series is so popular is that they are quite aware of the fact that people are not watching for gore and violence, but rather because of the fantasy of watching the characters as they are shaped by their circumstances. To me, it is because people crave some way of escaping from their current life in the rat race. So much, that they fantasize about living in daily fear of death as more tolerable than their current lifestyle.

They are craving some bedrock meaning in their lives.

anolen said...

"It will be interesting to see how long a society full of women's study majors, lawyers, and social workers will be able to survive on the wealth produced by men who are players, thugs, and videogame junkies. "

It won't survive for long, imho. The gridlock last night is a symptom of implosion.

I can't wait to see what happens over the next couple of years... though FeminizedWesternMale is probably right that it'll be ugly.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

The thing is, men are more hard-wired to be competitive and to overcome struggles and problems in our way. We look at problems as opportunities to prove our manliness more often than women do. So no matter was these feminists do, there will be a backlash and we will overcome it. No matter what they write in the second set of books.

And yes, I am aware of that the men of this age don't seem like the men of the past. To be honest though, I think the men of the past were just like us in our attitudes about women. It's just that women figured out how to exploit it. Lazy societies breed degenerate societies after all.

Stickwick said...

It's a mistake to look at what's been going on and project it infinitely into the future. As economist Herbert Stein said, if something cannot go on forever, it will stop. Some form of societal collapse is on the way, and it will reveal the fantasy of female independence and empowerment for what it is. How fast and far will things swing back? As we saw with the female-driven Temperance Movement and the subsequent swing the other way, women are quite fickle and with relative haste will stampede in the opposite direction with just as much force.

Jimmy said...

The rhetoric of the quoted article is extreme. Women certainly altered their needs away from the standard family structure, but this was true for a long time. Growing up, I didn't know many families that were intact. My parents generation had a lot of breakups that resulted in divorced single head of households. In my generation, I see more intact families as they learn from their experiences.

Each generation has its problems.

The future is less certain. Women are empowered to make their decisions on their lives. Men should accept such conditions and try to make the best of things instead of merely try to turn the clock back. The clock can't be turned back.

"It will be interesting to see how long a society full of women's study majors, lawyers, and social workers will be able to survive on the wealth produced by men who are players, thugs, and videogame junkies."

Assuming higher birthrates of women, higher earning potential, and longer careers without children, women will survive on the incomes via redistribution from other single women, men, and retirees. Singles are taxed at higher rates. This was my experience when I was single. My income taxes were horrible.

ck said...

"How the only way women will survive in that kind of situation will be those with a strong alpha male protector. On the other hand, this is Hollywood and they're in the business of peddling entertainment, not truth."

Exactly, for as Christ said, "Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Let those within the city escape from it, and let those in the countryside not enter the city, for these days are the time of punishment when all the scriptures are fulfilled. Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days, for a terrible calamity will come upon the earth and a wrathful judgment upon this people." Luke 21:21-23

Daniel said...

Sweet. Videogames.

Bob Wallace said...

As Charles Murray pointed out in "Human Accomplishment," men created civilization. To be specific, for the last 500 years (and probably before that) European men. If those of non-European ancestry become dominant in the U.S., the country will go backward even faster than it is already.

By the way, the words "freedom" and "liberty" came out of Europe ("liberty" is Greek/Roman and "freedom", northern European) and the concepts do not exist in any other culture - Arab, Asian, Asian Indian, African.

Fake conservatives such as George Gilder confused themselves by claiming women civilized men. It's the other way around. Since men created civilization, it is they who civilize woman. Men have forgotten how to do that, out of a misguided sense of fairness, and now society is reaping what the befuddled have sown.

Obsidian said...

Hi VD,
Very timely discussion, as I too was pondering the very same issues; my take on things is a bit different, though. Here it is:

The End Of White Men
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/108728

Some choice excerpts...

"Please do not let anyone tell you different - what we all saw yesterday, the utter thrashing of Mitt Romney and the GOP by the Obama-led Dems, had zilch to do with "immigration", or "racism", or "homophobia", or even the "economy" - and EVERYTHING to do with Sexual Politics. Particularly, that obtaining between White Men, and White Women. Simply put, Mr. Charlie and Ms. Ann ain't gettin' along - and not only is this glaring fact being played out on the political landscape, the rest of the country (read: everybody who ain't White) is going along for the ride."

"Of course, this goes right to the heart of "a Woman's right to choose" - because Female Mate Choice is the driver of all mammalian reproduction - and rape, "legitimate" or otherwise, takes away a Woman's choice of a mate. White Women having access to lives beyond the purview of White Men, means the very real possibility that they won't choose said White Men for mates - and that is a very, very scary notion to contemplate. Hence Akin's and others' remarks. It all makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it."

"The handwriting is on the wall - we are truly now, in A Woman's Nation - and White Women in particular, have seen to it that they will not tolerate any White Man who is in any way unpleasant. So long as White Women have political allies in the form of reliable Democratic voting blocs, like Blacks and Hispanics, White Women's not needing White Men will be all but complete."

"Because White Guys have since the nation's inception had access to everything worth having in American life, it will be extremely difficult, if not next to impossible to see anyone having much sympathy for their decline; indeed, in the minds of many, many White Women, they'll be like "good riddance!"."

"As for the nascent Men's Rights Movement? It's DOA, in large part because of its own inability to get its act together, to say nothing of internal squabbling and refusal to make allies (alienating Black Men, Women etc.). In the end, it makes itself look like a bunch of disaffected losers, a relic of a bigoted, benighted era that people will be happy to see go. They will have proven themselves not only organizationally impotent, but politically tonedeaf."

I consider myself to be something of a part of the Manosphere for some years at this point, and from what I'm reading, no one's even got a clue as to what is truly going on here. And since it seems clear to me that it isn't likely that one of the Alt-Right's own has the will to do a bit of plain truth-telling to the troops, I suppose the job falls to me - the proverbial Black sheep of the family. No shots fired - I'm just sayin'.

O.

Desiderius said...

Don't flatter yourself, O. It's pretty unmistakable.

Romney grew some balls for one debate and young whites (God I hate that word, and even more the corrupt culture that forces me to use it. I'm an American, GODDAMMIT, not a member of a mere race) stood up and took notice, male and female, then a female moderator shows up, and its back to the old pathetic supplication.

Unclear whether the election was lost by Ryan's incessant apple-polishing in the face of Biden's AMOGging or Romney's suprise at Crowley's breaking of the debate rules to aid Obama.

Now the married, "successful" conservatives know what the rest of us have been experiencing for some time. One thing about this election - it will be a hell of a lot harder going forward for tradcons to keep pedestalizing women.

Desiderius said...

Best case, this is Dewey defeats Truman and our half-assed community organizer has a second-term s pathetic as the failed haberdasher, ushering in 8 years of President Petraeus.

With the radfema already falling over themselves with Eisenhower nostalgia, this seems a likelier scenario than a contuation of the present bonfire of female vanity. It was telling that my Dem friends thought I meant Obama was Dewey when I made the call last week.

The good ones know what time if is, they just need a way out that lets them save some face. They'll also need conservatives to stop tempting them with such invitingly easy targets to gratify their (human) lust for dominance.

. said...

Obsidian = the poor man's Whiskey

Jack Amok said...

Start a furnace repair company. Charge single women and government employees ten gazillion dollars to fix the thing that keeps their houses warm. Charge a family with kids five bucks and a sandwich for the same thing.

Cail Corishev said...

If you charge the government and welfare recipients more for things, guess where they'll get the money to pay for it? Yep, right out of your pocket. They already pay higher prices than anyone else -- we've all heard stories about the military spending $1000 on a screwdriver, and check out what schools pay for things like computers sometime. It's Other People's Money, so they don't care; there's always more where that came from, right? They're far better at this game than we are, and they have all day to work up new strategies while we're busy trying to make a buck to keep up. And as George Carlin pointed out back when being a leftist meant being anti-establishment: they have all the flamethrowers.

Obsidian's focusing on the gender gap, presumably because that's what all the media outlets are saying is important (because they want the GOP to cave on abortion), but he's missing the much bigger marriage gap. See Sailer. Mrs. Ann voted Romney more than Mr. Charlie, if Mr. Charlie was single. It's not men-R, women-D nearly so much as it's married-R and single/divorced-D. There is a gender gap too, of course, with women, married or single, leaning left a few percentage points more than their husbands. That's to be expected: women are more emotional, less willing to make hard choices, less into personal responsibility. But if white married women had been the only voters, Romney would have won handily. The problem is with the growing number of single people of both sexes, because they don't have the same stake in the future, so they can focus more on "what's Big Daddy Government gonna give me now?"

It'd be great if we could end women voting, but that's not in the cards. Also, the Dems have gotten too good at getting out the apathetic single voters, so you can't count on them to stay home like they used to. Encouraging marriage and family formation, however, through tax breaks and making divorce harder and fairer, may be possible to chip away at.

PB&J said...

One interesting thing in watching the Walking Dead series is how the beta story writers manage to have the grrrrlll power archetype still written into the armageddon scenario. How they seem to ignore that the beta mindset that enables the continuation of that false paradigm will be quickly and ruthlessly eliminated.

How the only way women will survive in that kind of situation will be those with a strong alpha male protector. On the other hand, this is Hollywood and they're in the business of peddling entertainment, not truth.

And one reason the series is so popular is that they are quite aware of the fact that people are not watching for gore and violence, but rather because of the fantasy of watching the characters as they are shaped by their circumstances. To me, it is because people crave some way of escaping from their current life in the rat race. So much, that they fantasize about living in daily fear of death as more tolerable than their current lifestyle.

They are craving some bedrock meaning in their lives.


Great post with only one caveat. I was just watching this series, and one thing I noticed is just the opposite - the women are bitchy, emotional, and total liabilities - they cause constant problems are none of them have any ability to protect the group or keep them safe. One of the female charactesr all but comes out and says that the women should focus on cooking and cleaning while the men keep them safe - a ton of beta male geek sites are bitching about how this show is incredibly misogynistic as a result. So I don't see where the girl power angle is coming from...could you give me an example? The show has many ways that I could criticise it, but one point that it got refreshingly right is how much of a liability women are in survival situations.

Other than that, your post hit on a really, really important point. The current lives we live, in our increasingly secular country, are so meaningless that many would prefer a life as terrifying and difficult as that of the characters of that show. The pattern of 'work at a meaningless, long-hours corporate job in an ultra-PC hellhole, followed by eating processed junk, followed by american idol and buying the latest iCrap so you can listen to soul-less pop crap, then going to bed and repeating the cycle' is completely empty, meaningless, unfulfilling, and unhealthy.

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