After seeing her friends getting engaged, Taylor began to get ideas herself. Those ideas just happened to be very specific.She's being awful and you would have to be insane to marry her. She'll make a terrible wife and an even worse mother. Don't just walk, run!
'She talked about the ring, the locations, the photographers, what she would be wearing and it's driving me crazy. The problem is that she's more focused on the wedding than the marriage itself.'
Despite this, Logan eventually decided to ask Taylor to be his wife.
'I wanted it to be something memorable,' he says, 'but at the same time it's MY proposal too. We were planning on going to Europe and we did, we had a great time but I didn't propose because if I did, it would probably be on the top of the Eiffel Tower - and no thanks.'
Instead, Logan decided they should leave their LA lives for a trip to a small town in the South. Unlike his girlfriend, Logan is not a fan of public proposals and chose somewhere much more remote: 'Where we had nature, the sound of waves crashing and just getting away from the city life was a good thing.
'I didn't hire any photographers because it wasn't worth it. The proposal itself was just about marrying her. 'Being with her. And I DID buy her the ring she wanted. She was very annoyed. She looked at me and said, "This is a horrible joke, Logan" then she started crying because I "ruined it" for her. Then she pretended the proposal didn't happen and now she's still talking about rings like I DIDN'T PROPOSE.'
Finishing off his Reddit post, Logan admitted 'I love her, but I don't know if I'm being a jerk by not meeting her expectations - or if she's being awful.
Thursday, August 11, 2016
Run, don't walk
This guy doesn't seem to realize that he dodged a bullet and he needs to get away fast:
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What has his penis done for him to earn such trust? It must have made many wise decisions in the past.
If you incentivize something, you get more of it.
I love her, but I don't know if I'm being a jerk by not meeting her expectations - or if she's being awful.
This unjustified aelf-doubt falls in line with the larger theme of Millennials never having had a country of their own and having never seen "normal," which includes never having experienced relations with a woman who loves anything but the social media image of herself.
This society ruins women. Anyone who has small children today can relate to the feeling of seeing one's son's female age-mates (if you don't have any daughters) -- and seeing those wonderful innocent girls, think "please don't let them turn into cunts."
PA
Who the fuck has a photographer at their engagement?
Assume he relents. Does it her way. They get married.
What are the odds this is a happy marriage?
You got slim or none. And none ....
JP, there is an entire industry set up around creating the perfect proposal. You can rent old buildings, have special lighting designed, have a photog ready to capture the moment, cakes, parties, even special outfits to purchase or rent for the occasion.
And that is just the engagement part.
It strikes me as not genuine at all. No surprise, no feeling, no romance, no importance. Just another display of affection, as opposed to the real thing, designed to be a lifetime talking point which will never quite fill the empty hole in ones heart and soul.
I was lying on top of my wife (fully clothed) in her bedroom when I proposed to her.
@JP
You would be surprised. The whole proposal outdo has reached down to asking a girl to the prom.
I think the proposal is quite indicative of the overall health of the relationship. OTT proposals scream insecurity imo and attention seeking, materialistic on the female end.
This seems to be a norm now. How else do you get that nifty photo on Facebook without a professional photographer? The engagement photo also makes its way onto the wedding invite and also into the couple's video montage at the wedding party.
Expectations have been created and this guy's girlfriend is acting well within them. And yes, she's going to judge things relative to how they went down with her friends, so on net her boyfriend is expected to do the equivalent. Less flashy proposal, bigger ring, etc.
If the goal is to get married, I'm not sure how much you can fight this. Changing the culture isn't going to happen overnight.
How do you fight it? Easy. Just don't do it. If she doesn't like it she walks and you dodge a bullet.
She doesn't want to be a wife, she wants to be a princess with all the live happily forever memories, before she divorces him and takes everything he has.
I'm not sure how much you can fight this.
Very easily. It's all a shit-test at some level because the more he acquiesces in her princess fantasy, the cuntier she'll get. Telling her "we're eloping or see ya" is the way to bet, on the assumption that deep down the woman wants her man to tell her what to do.
PA
I read somewhere recently:
"She told me to treat her like a princess, so I married her off to a total stranger to strengthen our alliance with Denmark."
It's been demonstrated that the cost of the wedding is inversely correlated to the quality and length of the marriage. Any married man understands precisely why this is true.
Holy cow. The comments on the Reddit thread are in her favor. This country really is doomed.
Do you want to be in the position of the guy who made a spreadsheet to document every time his wife turned him down for sex? Proposing to this woman is how you get there.
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Trust, I'd have to agree (though I'm the wife)! I spent $25 on my dress, and we tipped the judge at the courthouse a 20. Looking around at our friends who all had the big, expensive weddings, we're easily the happiest, and the happiness comes easily. We're celebrating our 10th year of marriage, and we just had our 5th lovely baby.
She made her expectations clear. His problem was right there, at the setting of expectations. If he was not on-board with it, he needed to set his own boundaries.
Any woman who wants anything whatsoever to do with ANY aspect of today's Amoricon "wedding culture" is unfit to be any man's wife.
On the other hand, this pathetic schlub demonstrates "DOORMAT" in every aspect of his behavior. That he ever paid any attention to this narcissistic bitch other than to demonstrate feelings of utter revulsion at her very existence indicates that they're the ideal couple, yin and yang, positive and negative, plug and socket, mistress and slave. As long as they promise not to breed (I'm sure someone as self-centered as she is would never allow something so repulsive and encumbering to happen), they should be united in unholy matrimony, till death not to part.
This is his chance, her mask has slipped and she's only going to get worse. She will get less attractive and meaner the older she gets. How can this man not see the danger he's in?
Jesus Christ.. what level of self-absorbed has to exist in a woman's mind to behave in this fashion? She should never get married with that level of bullshit in her head, never.
These are usually Red Flags that you don't ignore. He should take her rejection and accept them especially since she decided the original proposal didn't happen. What couple never discusses marriage? I thought we are well beyond the man proposes marriage in the post-feminist modern age. Both are responsible for the wedding, marriage, and kids. Just move on.
If it weren't for our Boomer parents trying to outdo their siblings' lavish weddings for their children, my husband and I would have eloped. It was a too long engagement (had to wait for the venue my mom wanted), and it caused problems for us. My advice would be elope; wish we had. It would have saved so much trouble (and money). Anyone who outright demands a huge to-do, run. Run far away.
I never got an official proposal. I received a cute little promise ring and that was the ring I got married in. Married 18 years. If this guy was my son I'd tell him to run.
Be careful before you nix the wedding. We've done away with so many formal rites of passage as a people, that I would hope that civilization minded couples would strive to invest this remaining ceremony with as much dignity and communal spirit as possible.
By which I mean the bride should wear a pretty dress and hopefully be attended by true supporters of the couple also wearing pretty dresses, and that the men should wear something tidy and appropriate to the formality of the occasion. You can do this with sundresses and khakis in the backyard or with formal gowns at the fancy church your great, great grandfather build way back in the day. It's not the price tag.
Three aunts and a handful of church ladies used to could pull off a wedding and reception without breaking a sweat and without turning it into a bridezilla display of carnivalish narcissism. Marry into a family happy to host a pockluck reception in the church reception hall, and you'll have found people who live on the mountain of the Lord.
In my single days, I'd dump a girl in a heartbeat if she came off with poppycock like this. Ugh.
I recall a girl who was damn-near 27 years old I dated for a cup of coffee; she was an only child that was 100% financially dependent on her Daddy Warbucks. She didn't work and was a perpetual college student constantly changing majors, and lived in a high end apartment. She was a solid 8 on the looks, but a -2 on the personality and mindset.
I looked at it like going to Disney World on someone else's dime; I rode rides and ate good food until I was mentally drained, and took off.
I got a friends request from her on Farcebook recently. She's been divorced twice since I knew her ( 10 years ago), and has an idiot on deck for marriage #3. She did the whole photograph the engagement thing and plastered it all over Farcebook. I wondered if the douche nozzle knows of her track record...time will tell. He looks like a beta, so he's probably happy with the situation.
Those of us GenX or older have a different perspective on the sheer thirst thats there among Millennials and younger men. For one, we forgot what it feels like to have your judgement steamrolled by desire. Two, female obesity and cuntiness was a fringe phenomenon when we were young. Our choices ranged from cute plain Janes with a nice personality to intoxicating sexpots. Men today compete over the 10% of young women who aren't misshapen blubberbags, and of that 10%, ones who aren't tatted, or cum dumpsters, or cunts.
Yes, I've used "cunt" in every one of my comments here today.
Male reproductive strategy today should incorporate networking with good families, getting em young, and solid Game.
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@JP
You would be surprised. The whole proposal outdo has reached down to asking a girl to the prom.
I think the proposal is quite indicative of the overall health of the relationship. OTT proposals scream insecurity imo and attention seeking, materialistic on the female end.
Freaking rings. I'm still paying for one I bought years ago. The worst mistake of my life.
The guy in the OP (Logan) needs to, at the very least, nut up and give Taylor a good tongue-lashing about her awful behavior, and if she still acts like a bitch, to dump her ass.
@Natalie
Sure, a wedding is okay, but if it costs $100,000, there's something wrong. You don't have to break the bank in order to have a nice wedding, and those who do are idiots trying to show off how much money they have, or worse, to give the appearance that they have a lot of money.
Speaking of rings, wtf purpose does a "promise" ring possess?
My niece is 17 and just splattered pictures of one she got from her 15 year old boyfriend all over social media.
She said it's an engagement to an engagement. What?
$100,000? Shoot, I think it's ridiculous to spend 20. And don't get me started on the $1000 put down to just propose and I'm not referring to the ring.
I know one couple that had TWO ceremonies. No, they're not religious. At least the experience left a lasting impression on our teenage sons without us saying a word.
There's a family in my church with a daughter just a bit younger than my son - good looking, smart family who are showing definite red pill possibilities. You better believe I'm going to be keep my eyes on them for the next 15 years.
Oh, and I _think_ our wedding cost around 5k. It's not easy, but it's very doable. If having a big party with friends and family is important to those involved then trading favors is the way to go. (And I mean party in the old fashioned sense of getting together and having a good time with people you like and not mere displays of self and wealth.)
Speaking of rings, wtf purpose does a "promise" ring possess?
My niece is 17 and just splattered pictures of one she got from her 15 year old boyfriend all over social media.
She said it's an engagement to an engagement. What?
It also means that her YOUNGER boyfriend (which, right there, suggests trouble) is a dumb callow Delta/Gamma who wears his heart on his sleeve. Why reveal your intention to marry a given woman before you're actually engaged to her? What good does that do?
She ain't marrying him. And if she does, it suggests she herself has a very frivolous attitude toward marriage, and it won't last long.
Such a high maintenance, thoughtless, shallow, self absorbed woman. RUN AWAY FROM HER!! No good, no satisfaction of life, no shared enjoyment, will develop with such a woman. And really, is she that great a lay?
My wedding cost $200. That was 28 years ago and to this day we have not raised our voices to each other in anger. A few weeks ago a friend of mine proposed to his girlfriend: I think he dropped about $2000 on the proposal (yacht rental, pro photographer, wine 'n roses...). The wedding will cost at least 10 times that. (This is Round 2 for him, too: his first wife cheated on him, divorced him, and took him for everything he had.) The thing is: it's not HER who's demanding all this - HE'S the hopeless romantic... she would be content to elope if it weren't for her family.
^^^gay
RUN!!! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! RUN!!!
Speaking of rings, wtf purpose does a "promise" ring possess
In my case it was given to me because my boyfriend (now husband) wanted to put a ring on my finger because I was living out of town but couldn't afford the ring he wanted to eventually give to me. I didn't care about getting a bigger ring so we skipped the "official" engagement ring.
It really does seem as though these dumb broads (and their pussy-whipped "men") care far more about the wedding than their marriage.
At first when I saw "Taylor" I thought the article was about HiddleSwift. Seriously.
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My wife got four rings for her engagement . A brand new pair of Nokian studded snow tires for her Camry Hybrid. It was a practical test. If she had bitched/complained the wedding would have been cancelled.
Our wedding cost less than $ 300 bucks. That was five years ago.
My husband complained that I wasn't interested in planning the wedding. I wasn't other than making sure we had a mechanical bull at the reception. I wanted the marriage and babies. The wedding is fleeting. The marriage is the rest of your life.
Danger Will Robinson, danger, get out of there dude. Danger all over this.
Speaking of rings, wtf purpose does a "promise" ring possess?
It means they can have sex without feeling like sluts.
The entire outlook is inverted. This girl doesn't want to be married; she just wants to get married. If he goes through with it there's almost no chance they'll still be married in five years.
It's not a new attitude, sadly, but it seems to have reached epic proportions. $26k for the average wedding? No way.
Thinking of herself as a princess is hard-core female-spectrum behavior. Any discerning man walks away the moment a girl starts to give off this vibe.
The way toxic women overcome this stench is (my guess) by being down for sex that mirrors a pornographic film. I believe many men are simply too stupid to see such behavior for what it really is, an act that has her serving as a pitcher plant and he's the fly.
A girl who has an over-inflated assessment of her value (sexual, appearance or intellect) is pathogenic.
Concur with haus frau.
Quality in a girl begins with what she wants out of life; if it's NOT a good husband/partner/father-to-the-children-she-really-wants, she's just more tasteless or too-sweet cereal in the box, not the prize inside.
>Assume he relents. Does it her way. They get married.
>What are the odds this is a happy marriage?
>You got slim or none. And none ....
It will be happy for her...she get's her attention and when she trades up she can use the extravagant proposal she guilted out this poor fellow as leverage.
I will avoid the "Logan's Run" references, as I want to keep my lunch money.
The entire outlook is inverted. This girl doesn't want to be married; she just wants to get married.
@Bob Loblaw
Yup, just like with the "gay marriage" idiocy.
Mountain Man said...
My wife got four rings for her engagement . A brand new pair of Nokian studded snow tires for her Camry Hybrid. It was a practical test. If she had bitched/complained the wedding would have been cancelled.
Our wedding cost less than $ 300 bucks. That was five years ago."
Same sort of story here. We had a 500 buck wedding on a mountain in Pigeon Forge. 10 people attended. We took our money and built a new house instead of having a big wedding.
My wife wouldn't expect any of that nonsense; regardless, I'm glad the proposal/wedding happened just before the social media explosion, so the temptation was never there.
My wife's best friend (who got married a few years later) did do the whole planned out proposal thing, and we couldn't get over how contrived and retarded it was.
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