Tuesday, May 3, 2016

Gamma dishonesty

It may be, in part, a simple lack of testosterone:
The Germans decided to study this aspect of testosterone in more depth. Testosterone is linked to pride and status seeking, they reasoned. Proud people lie less often. So subjects should become more honest if you give them testosterone – for example by rubbing the contents of a sachet of Testogel into their skin, which would supply them with 50 mg testosterone.

The more testosterone there is circulating in a man's body, the more honest he's likely to be. Even when he knows that no one is likely to find out that he is lying, he's more likely to tell the truth than a man with less testosterone in his body. The researchers administered the testosterone to just under 50 male subjects. Twenty hours later they got the subjects to throw a dice and record their scores on a computer. The higher their score, the more money they earned.

A score of 6 earned nothing. The researchers didn't check whether the men were cheating.

A similar-sized control group were given a placebo, and had to go through the dice routine too.

The men that had been given testosterone had an average level of 7.78 nanograms per millilitre during the experiment. The level in the placebo-group men was 6.79 nanograms per millilitre. The men in the testosterone group won 3.33 euros per throw, the men in the placebo group won 4.18 euros per throw.
I wonder how little testosterone a particularly dishonest Gamma like Scalzi has. I'd be surprised if he's over 2 nanograms per millilitre. But this points to ways Gammas can raise their sociosexual rank, which is engaging in activities and diets that raise testosterone and avoiding those that lower it.


Oliver Märk said...

Another great argument for strengthening testosterone in men, among the very many others.
Who would want a society of increasingly dishonest individuals?!

From: http://freedompowerandwealth.com

Daniel said...

This explains what's going on when I play "honor system" games online.

VD said...

Yes, I noticed that I always did MUCH better playing live ASL or live VASL than when I played PBEM VASL. My opponents averaged a full point lower on their dice rolls.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Germans, who are known for their honesty, forthrightness, and martial virtues, are the masculine race of Europe.

John Williams said...

The way Scalzi lies, he's probably running near 0 manograms.

Mr.MantraMan said...

That explains Obama as well, an Estro-American

ws1835 said...

This would also explain why changing your lifestyle and simply participating in more manly activities can have demonstrable effects on your behavior and social acceptability. "Fake it 'til you make it" is replaced by "act it and it will be".

Aeoli Pera said...

Germans, who are known for their honesty, forthrightness, and martial virtues, are the masculine race of Europe.


Aeoli Pera said...

Erp derp, forgot to H/T Dr. James Thompson.

Christopher said...

I wonder if it works the other way too. If being honest raises your testosterone? Or if being dishonest lowers it?

Terrific said...

This also explains women's glancing familiarity with the truth.

But why testosterone? Because it makes one FEEL strong and powerful, even if you're not really.

And I think it also has to do with lying being the primary weapon of the weak. C.S. Lewis observed that adults will say, "I can abide any sin in a child but lying, forgetting that lying is a child's only weapon of defense against a hostile world."

Then the question arises, just how virtuous are you when the only reason you tell the truth is because you feel no one can hurt you?

I wonder how quickly testosterone levels drop? If you were on the witness stand and suddenly realized the Truth was gonna get you ten years? Or at least graphic public shaming, how fast would your T-Levels drop?

Or would you just like because you were confident you would get away with it?

Biochemistry and the mind. Which comes first, Chemistry causing the thought? Or the thought causing the chemistry?

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Anonymous said...

Doesn't surprise me. Low-T makes one feel cowardly and weak, which makes one more likely to lie.

"Germans, who are known for their honesty, forthrightness, and martial virtues, are the masculine race of Europe."

I never understood how the whole Make Donald Drumpf Again thing was supposed to work. If it wasn't obvious before that John Oliver was a Gamma, it certainly was after that.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

"Make Donald Drumpf Again" simply wasn't funny.

And yes, Oliver is a total anorak. American viewers think he's witty and hilarious because they find his accent charming.


Unknown said...

Assuming that this study turns out to be correct, I think one should be careful to avoid reductionism: while low testosterone levels may TEND to lead to more lying, it's not GUARANTEED. Someone with low T might be more tempted to be dishonest, but if he has a high moral character, he can resist the temptation. "Low T made me do it" is no better an excuse than "the Devil made me do it," and there's never any excuse for lying. Likewise, while a high-T man might have more of a tendency to be honest, that doesn't mean he's incapable of lying either. But the main point I want to make is that there is no excuse for dishonesty, whether or not one has the tendency to it.

P.S. I've been having trouble with my Google account showing up as "Anonymous" on Blogspot. So in case this comment shows up as "Anonymous", it was written by Robin Munn (robin.munn@gmail.com).

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Dominic Saltarelli said...

So this is why women lie. Makes sense.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

OT: Awesome talk with VD and Stefan Molyneux


LP2021 Bank of LP Work in Progress said...

Women lie out of fear and estrogen or they think they can get away with lying but fail to.

Gamma's refuse change, refuse manliness while thinking they emit masculinity when they do not, JohnnyBoy is a married man with children but like many statesiders men do not emit high T because its...are not. I dont know not fond of high T behaviors. The problem is too much estrogen in men and hyperestrogenic states with boomer and mil len women, Gen X women know estrogen mimics, these 2 groups do not.

Gamma and this migrant invasion of refs or refugees spilling into EU lands, while gammas might be (not really) matter lack T, invaders can be aggressive and demanding but white women dont want them and white women dont want gamma males.

Semi OT: Katie Hopkins briefs these matters.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Married with kids does not an Alpha make.

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