The “true confessions” of pickup artists that emerge from time to time in the media present stories of seduction from the mundane to the almost unbelievable. Pickup artists come in all shapes and sizes, as do their routines. You might think that you could never fall prey to such individuals' sleazy persuasion tactics because they seem so blatantly false. As a result, you feel confident that you’ll know to resist the next one you might encounter.This isn't surprising. I do find it interesting, however, as when I was forced to take a personality profile test for work, I tested high in narcissism and machiavellianism, but very low in psychopathy. Which, as it turns out, is the psychological profile to which women are most strongly drawn.
A pickup artist is generally interested in having sex in one-night stands or hookups. Researchers who study these short-term pairings tend to focus on their consequences for longer-term mental health (Bersamin, et al., 2014). Those who conduct this research assume that both partners are interested in keeping the relationship as short and as sweet as possible. For example, in the Bersamin, et al. study of casual sex, the research team (of which I was a part) simply asked participants to report on the frequency of their involvement in casual sex. We then correlated these scores with indices of mental health, revealing that casual sex was indeed linked with lower mental health....
In the all-important personality domain, pickup artists showed specific traits, including antisocial tendencies. As predicted, they were also more likely to be narcissistic. Again, though, male and female pickup artists differed in some aspects of their personality profiles: Women who acted openly promiscuous, for example, were higher in psychopathy. Men high in Machiavellianism were more likely to adopt the tactic of not integrating partners into their lives.
Of course, you don't see the feminist sites citing this piece to warn about the dangers of pick-up artists noting that it also demontrates that women who engage in casual sex have "lower mental health" and are "higher in psychopath". In other words, the sluts are crazy. But who didn't already know that?
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I had to take the MMPI a year or so ago. Among other conclusions was that I may be narcissistic and show OCD tendencies. There was also no "indication or under-reporting of psychopathy."
Also, in a shock to few who know me, "he appears to intellectualize, rationalize, and be opinionated (T = 85 =
>99.9% ile)". Egads.
I think this also busts the bubble of "game works on drunk chicks." It's personality driven, not alcohol fueled. My dates don't start out drunk. I think the women I date drink when we go out because I give them that sense of security. As in, I've already decided to bang him, so I can cut loose and just have fun with him.
'Men high in Machiavellianism were more likely to adopt the tactic of not integrating partners into their lives.'
That seems about right. When you have a duplicitous personality...you probably wouldn't want your partner to find out the truth.
This isn't surprising. I do find it interesting, however, as when I was forced to take a personality profile test for work, I tested high in narcissism and machiavellianism, but very low in psychopathy. Which, as it turns out, is the psychological profile to which women are most strongly drawn.
I would expect sluts (female psychopaths) to prefer male psychopaths, though.
Narcissism (self-confidence) would seem to be best in a moderate amount. Too low, and you have a Gamma or Omega. Too high, and you get a classic narcissist properly so-called.
Having a high level of Machiavellianism (social smarts) is probably less harmful than having high Narc, unless of course it's coupled with high Psychopathy. But if your Mach level is too low, you're a Gamma or Omega -- possibly even an Aspie, if you're unable to raise it. (Elliot Rodger is a great example of a low Gamma / bitter Omega with high Narc and low Mach.)
Now that I think about it, my Narc and Mach levels are much higher than they were a couple of years ago, especially the Mach.
On the one hand, Game is derided as being little better than a placebo in some conservative circles. On the other, they strenuously exhort women to stay away from pickup artists and their Jedi mind tricks.
Machiavellianism, is it? I can buy that. Self admitted, if I'm not sure I actually fit the bill. Don't know if that counts. Narcissism I don't know, but possible. Dames? Yeah, I can see that too. When the two collide, even so, usually she loses. Two to one, baby! I do know, when I was into one-nighters, that phase of things, which came and went just like the dolls... I really was, for those times, in worse shape. I suppose if I had been lower on the rungs I would have chosen hookers? Or if I had a small dick, as I would have needed a pro for satisfaction.
Yeah, I can buy that study, give or take. I doubt the science behind it, given what 'science' has become. But even modern 'science' can get some things right even if they do it incorrectly. But no more than math finally allows for the honey bee to fly. And, of course, I have much greater doubts about psychology. There is simple reality in human psychology, but psychologists and researchers do everything they can to miss the points, or just get them wrong. It's like they are trying to obscure. No, wait, that is what they are doing. They are political tools. Still, psychopathy, as a general understanding, is real. Just don't trust a psychologist to find it. Now, whether that is the right term, for loose women, yeah... I do think so. Same with men.
"I tested high in narcissism and machiavellianism, but very low in psychopathy."
I think women are drawn to the first part, not the second part. Technically, you're not a player, but you could act the part.
It's just odd to compare male PUAs with women of any type.
I'm not even sure I would classify that as a skill for women. It's just a choice.
'I think women are drawn to the first part, not the second part.'
I'd second this...being deceptive about who you are to women isn't a good strategy unless it is very short term. Having faith and confidence is always good.
Something doesn't fit:
"(for women) Seeming unstable, worried, anxious, and insecure."
Worried and anxious? AND high psychopathy? Unstable (labile moods, IOW) and playing mind-games, sure. But the rest?
It's just odd to compare male PUAs with women of any type.
I'm not even sure I would classify that as a skill for women. It's just a choice.
Yeah, like the joke about the master key and the sh!tty lock.
Equalism strikes again...
"Women who acted openly promiscuous, for example, were higher in psychopathy. Men high in Machiavellianism were more likely to adopt the tactic of not integrating partners into their lives."
the important thing here is not the psych profiles of the meat market .... it's the legal and social regime.
WHAT kind of personality is being favored in the current mating market? the serious and trustworthy, desirous of pair-bonding? or the narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic?
exactly what kind of personalities are we breeding for?
exactly what kind of upbringings will those personalities receive?
this is what happens when you don't stone adulterers, the psychopathic women reproduce.
this is what happens when you make it illegal to challenge duels, the narcissistic / Machiavellian men reproduce.
All this negativism about Machiavellism is... ignorant. You don't understand. That isn't used on women, they don't rate. That would be a gamma, delta, maybe even a beta thing. Women didn't matter, they could be included in plans, informed, or just not involved. They weren't the target of the behavior. Why? As easy as women are, it's not like you have to plot to get some tail. They hand it out like candy. The system is used against other men, and the world. And, by the way, it isn't sneaky. It's tactical, practical, and functional. It just removes art and emotion and sees the world through an honest lens. I guess you had to be there. And, yes, women love men who have a ruthless take on life, and act on that, more so than narcissists. Or liberals would be slightly preferred as lovers, not far below conservatives on the whole.
You guys who naysay have no idea what you are talking about. Dames shouldn't even be debating. Ten to one no matter what they say, they do exactly as I suggest. More so if I thought they were worth the trouble.
" Earl Thomas said...
'Men high in Machiavellianism were more likely to adopt the tactic of not integrating partners into their lives.'
That seems about right. When you have a duplicitous personality...you probably wouldn't want your partner to find out the truth.
December 9, 2014 at 1:14 PM"
As for not integrating someone into your life, that's just what happens when you don't want to spend that time with that person. It has little or nothing to do with hiding anything from them.
For a man without sentimentality, he has assessed a woman's utility and the time he spends with her is the extent of that utility. If she proves herself of greater worth then she gets greater time. It is that simple.
Women know if you're seeing other women, in fact they assume it of those men they find most attractive. Just don't throw it in their face and they're fine with it, because they have to be or they wouldn't get to be with you. The only men that try to hide something like that are those with a scarcity mentality, those that tend to develop oneitis.
"Men high in Machiavellianism were more likely to adopt the tactic of not integrating partners into their lives."
Well said. I LOL'd. I suppose this is a more delicate way of saying: "Get the fuck out, don't let the door hit you on the ass."
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'You guys who naysay have no idea what you are talking about.'
I naysay because I know what I'm talking about.
'The system is used against other men, and the world. And, by the way, it isn't sneaky. It's tactical, practical, and functional.'
Until you get found out.
I see the practical and functional use for deception and being cunning...I'm also saying it always has a bad ending.
"This isn't surprising. I do find it interesting, however, as when I was forced to take a personality profile test for work, I tested high in narcissism and machiavellianism, but very low in psychopathy. Which, as it turns out, is the psychological profile to which women are most strongly drawn."
I don't doubt this (it's my profile, too), but I was wondering if anyone knows of any sources to back it up, either clinical or anecdotal.
Just conjecture, but it would make sense that the first two traits would be universally attractive, whereas psychopathy would be attractive particularly to unhealthy women. The Machiavellian narcissist who actually cares about other people seems like it would have especially strong appeal for a woman who wants a "good man" who's not a pussy, whereas the chick with major issues would actually prefer somebody like Charles Manson.
~Martel
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