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Science declares Game has it all wrong, as social scientists have discovered that women prefer humble men to arrogant bad boys:
Cocky, bad guys may usually get the girl in the movies but the same isn't true in real life, according to new research.It showed that being humble is the key to marking yourself out as a good romantic partner while arrogance and egotism are turn-offs, it found....

The research, published in the Journal of Positive Psychology, involved three studies carried out by Dr Van Tongeren and colleagues. In the first study, 41 students created dating profiles and answered personality questions in the belief that others would see their results and they would look at other students' profiles.Both male and female participants gave significantly higher ratings to the humble person and were more likely to want them to see their own profile, give them their phone number and meet them.

The second study, involving 133 students, was similar but varied the language used to describe a potential date in the profile, rather than using numbers to rate humility. For example, the humble profile stated 'other people say I'm smart, but I don't like the attention', while the other read 'I'm a really good student and pretty smart...I guess it just comes naturally.'

Again, both men and women preferred the humble profile as a potential date to the profile that suggested arrogance.
I suspect the study would have been considerably more reliable if they had followed it up and researched precisely with whom these women who claim to be turned off by arrogance and egotism are actually having sex and what sort of men they are. As it stands, all the studies do is underline a fundamental mantra of Game: never pay any attention to what a woman tells you about female sexual preferences, including her own.


Yohami said...

"girls say I am the best lover ever... that's probably an exaggeration"

Humble bragging is a form of cocky comedy and is not "humble" at all: they are not even reading the data right.

Mindstorm said...

These 'studies' are a joke. Sample sizes of 41 and 133, for both sexes altogether? An unavoidable social desirability bias? How representative is the chosen sample of the population it's supposed to represent? These are first three objections that spring to mind.

Doom said...

Ha. Hahahahahahahaha! But, seriously. Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Says so much more about science than women or men. Hahahaha. Let me take those tests, deal with those women. Old, ugly, mostly dead, and I still need a fly-swatter more often than not. The virgin is a bit risky, to me. But the rest of them can go gather flies. Even she knows what I am. And that my surrender will be her feminist doom. I will eat her, and have no choice. Prices, costs, and men own women. Sometimes rightly, gently. Mostly. Meh. Mine.

Tank said...

Self reporting. One of many reasons these social/psych type studies are so often BS.

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Dark Herald said...


They've been doing this for awhile now.

Beta male behavior is what a girl really wants!! This study proves it! It's just chock full of the sciencey science of science! You do love science sexually don't you?!?!

This is from Nat Geo's Going Ape. Skip ahead to 39:50, where in an expert (female of course) will prove that deferential behavior is what a girl really wants in a man.

They cheat on the whole thing. Both guys are trained behaviorists. The Un-deferential male (read the bad male) sends out every Gamma male vibe in the book. Avoids eye contact, stammers constantly and his entire frame projects meek uncertainty. Naturally, the girl is completely uninterested.

Then check out how the deferential male does business.

The expert claims that the girl's clear interest is only because of the second man's clearly deferential behavior towards her.

I, for one have a different take on his behavior and her reaction.

What do you think?

Crowhill said...

To what extent do you think they design these studies to get the results they want?

Doom said...


Not interested in watching lame acting and reverse psyops. What I am interested in is that you ask what I think. I think you already know, by how you react to a man who looks you in the eye and spits it out. You know how you feel when a man takes charge, even of you. Hate? Maybe. But you hate either way, and hate is better than mush, and makes you feel alive, feminine, womanly, as you surrender it with whatever else you offer. What I think is what you feel is true. Why bother with intermediaries, discussion, or such. Do, or do not. There is no try. That is what I think.

SarahsDaughter said...

"Oh a survey? I know exactly how I'm supposed to respond!" - women

Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

Well actually in the case of self murdered Brittany Maynard, you can listen to what she said: "To be perfectly candid, in the last three months, I've gained over 25 pounds. And over nothing I've put in my mouth except prescription medications," said Brittany in her video. "I don't like being photographed; I don't like being filmed; I don't like spending a lot of time looking in the mirror"

Somehow the anti fat shaming crowd missed that.

Women are also too stupid to see how insulting Caroline Mcguire's title to her article is: "Women have finally twigged that a humble man is best for a relationship"

"So long bad guys!" ? Caroline, darling, you're delusional.

A Traveller said...

In my own personal survey group of one woman, I can emphatically state that humility is a turn-off. She may complain about my arrogance but she responds to it unfailingly.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

There is a difference between what women want and what they say they want. Or to put it another way, a difference between what women want and what they need.

Alphas give women what they need. Betas give them what they want.

Crowhill said...

@swiftfoxmark2, I think you're over-stating the case. Women need alphas and betas. They just need them for different things.

PhantomZodak said...

yes, just ignore the actual evidence we have all witnessed with our own eyes & our own lives. "bad boys finish last," isn't that the expression? lol

hank.jim said...

I wonder if this is tactical. Everyone thinks the humble guy is more attractive. Then the arrogant one is suddenly not available to anyone but you.

I found it funny that the gossips always talk badly about someone who is the black sheep. That awful person seems to always have something going that makes them even madder.

Retrenched said...

As the blogger Scarecrow once put it (paraphrasing), one of the following MUST be true:

1. Many women are attracted to and fall in love with sociopathic men who treat them badly.

2. All domestic and emotional abuse in relationships is the fault of women.

Anonymous said...

Oh really?

Agreeableness and humility in men has been associated with a negative predictor of sex partners.

John Williams said...

Some girls are just special enough to see the gentle humble loving caring side of the bad boy. That's why they're attracted to them, that and the 'chemistry'.

CarpeOro said...

Any study with a pool the size of a class in college should be given no more than a B. I mean after all, she just passed these out in her class a week before the assignment was due right? Wait, this isn't from an undergrad? We really need to revisit spending on "higher" education.

swiftfoxmark2 said...

Is there a point when we all agree that the social sciences aren't really science?

Trust said...

As anybody if they'd rather be skinny or fat, and they'll say skinny.... doesn't mean they'd rather work out than eat crap.

Ask any man if he prefers a kind gourmet chef or a gold-digging bitch, and he'll say the kind chef.... doesn't mean he won't chase the bitch when he sees she's hotter.

Amazing how the obvious explanation applies to women as well, but people are remarkably blind to it.

If this study were true, Twilight would have flopped.

Revelation Means Hope said...

The people putting out crap like this are advocates of Satanic lies.

A few years ago, while the after taste of red pill truth was still bitter in my mouth, I would have hated them.

Now, I just feel scorn for their duplicity and utter lack of courage to face the truth about themselves and their own motivations. While I know it is very difficult for women to be truly self-reflective, it still doesn't lessen my disgust with the sinful nature of them. I suppose it is a remnant of the position they used to hold on my pedestal. - A pedestal reserved for God alone now.

MichaelJMaier said...

"As it stands, all the studies do is underline a fundamental mantra of Game: never pay any attention to what a woman tells you about female sexual preferences, including her own."

I would suggest changing that to "MOST ESPECIALLY her own". I notice women will sometimes give one another good advice about bad men.

I do not think I've ever heard good advice from a woman about other women, though.

Anonymous said...

never pay any attention to what a woman tells you about female sexual preferences, including her own.

As with any generalization, there are exceptions. I had a girlfriend once who said that her #1 requirement in a man was intelligence--and proved it by picking me over her previous boyfriend who was taller (6'4" to my 5'7"), better looking and fitter. He might have been a little less self-confident and assertive, but the difference couldn't have been that great; I'm pretty nerdy.

Akulkis said...

More proof that the psych community couldn't do a proper experiment and error analysis if their lives depended upon it.

Akulkis said...

Is there a point when we all agree that the social sciences aren't really science?

I've been saying it for years. See my comment immediately above this one.

Prof. Spudd said...

For example, the humble profile stated 'other people say I'm smart, but I don't like the attention', while the other read 'I'm a really good student and pretty smart...I guess it just comes naturally.'

The humble statement could be written by a Sigma -- I mean, what's more Sigma than not wanting attention from the riffraff? -- and the bragging one by a Gamma -- why would women be impressed with a man declaring himself a "really good student" who is "pretty smart"? An Alpha bragging would, I imagine, be sexier at it than the Gamma. Bonus if the humble profile's picture shows a man coldly staring off into space, and the braggart has one of himself grinning like a doofus.

Also, the definition of humility is being honest with yourself and not only your weaknesses, but your talents as well. Gammas aren't known for being humble, although plenty of them are into playing at false humility.

insanitybytes22 said...

Anonymous said...

maybe "cocky bad boys" do reel in the girls in real life, just like the movies, but they don't tend to keep them. They don't cherish them, don't love and edify them and help them to grow into everything they were created to be...

No, they use them and suck them dry, thinking that is what the female species was created for, to be a lesser vessel that serves the purpose of showing just how superior they are.

What could be sadder....

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