I've been learning.Game is not a figment of Roissy's imagination. It's more than a collection of pick-up tricks and sexual braggadacio. Considerably more. A dubious reaction to it is entirely normal. Deltas can't believe they've been lied to so comprehensively by practically everyone in their lives. Gammas can't believe that their romantic view of the world is so completely delusional. Women can't believe any of it, mostly because no one finds a concept harder to understand than a woman whose material benefit relies upon her not understanding it.
Small example: I recently ran into a girl I'd been very interested in a couple years back and never really gotten over, but our conversation went very differently than it would have even 6 months ago. She'd effectively friend-zoned me a long time ago (or more accurately, I'd clumsily friend-zoned myself), but at one point after I said something that surprised her, I saw unguarded respect in her eyes. That's a feeling I'll not soon forget, and in an instant it confirmed more of what's been said here to me than 100 logical arguments could.
The result was that I'm no longer friend-zoned, and I'm also no longer interested.. funny how when you change from responder to initiator you start seeing people differently. Now of course an Alpha will find all that amusing and a silly thing to call a victory, but that's fine. It's progress. Some guys have to start bench-pressing with just the bar, but they don't have to linger there for long.
No one benches 225 the first time they lift. No one walks into an office and walks out with a date with the hottest marketing assistant on their first day of their first college internship either. These things take time and practice.
I'm not asking anyone to take anything I say without a grain of salt. I'm not expecting you to accept it without questioning or testing. I'm just encouraging you to open your eyes, keep an open mind, and see if what you observe reflects what I am telling you. You can't win the Game without playing it. And you can't play it if you refuse to step foot on the field.
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This reminds me of something similar which occurred early on for me. I was just starting to read about game. I said something surprisingly unguarded and potentially offensive. I was shocked at myself. I instinctively felt ashamed and would have apologized had she not responded in a positive and sexual way. A light went on. I had been lied to. Pedestalizing had never gotten me anything near this kind of response. Game was real.
One great thing about Game is that it's so easy to test. You don't even have to leave the house. Just go to some sort of meetup web site and pick out 20 women, divide them randomly into 2 groups, then send one group a betariffic message full of compliments and supplication, send the other group something game-based that's cocky and brief, and see what happens. It doesn't take long to find out if it works.
As a Christian, I disapprove of Roissy's lifestyle. But Game is real. And it works. I saw results just from changing my body language when I'm at the bar or at a party.
This is very true.
The other day I took my wife in for an ultrasound appointment. There were three gals behind the desk in the office when we went up to pay.
The gal taking our money was being all maternal about my wife and nattering away at me. Something like "Well, now, since you have your wife out and the baby is doing fine, you really should take her out for dinner..."
I responded. "What? Heck no. I'm taking her home so she can cook ME dinner!"
All three females behind the desk spun to look at me with shocked expressions... and started laughing. I pretended to duck behind the counter on the way out as if expecting a thrown high heel.
They loved it. Just a stupid joke, but about 100000% better response than, "Yeah, uh, I guess that would be nice to go out to dinner, right honey?"
Gag.
Vidad: you're a wuss for ducking. :P
Game is much like going to the gym.
You are building up your social muscles.
And what the poster said is true...changing things from always reacting to initiating makes you look at social interactions much differently. The biggest change is that you are setting the tone and can take it wherever you want.
Ahhhh, always fun when you feel that rush, Oak. You know what that feeling is? Strength. Empowerment. Vigor.
After a while, it becomes quite the addiction. Good on you. Go find some more girls and let everyone know how you are doing.
BTW, game is indeed incredibly easy to test. Just go out and do it yourself. Worked for me. Might work for you.
"you're a wuss for ducking."
Heh. I spent too many years suppressing my melonhead powers.
The hilarious thing is the looks I get from my wife. She likes the fact that I interest other women. When we left the ultrasound office she was cracking up.
There's no way I'd cheat on her (we have in excess of a half-dozen children together) but she's very aware that I could if I felt like it.
Vidad:
"In excess of half a dozen children"?
So you're not quite sure of the exact number? Odd!
Like my guns. Not sure how many.
Heisenberg's uncertainty parenting.
" Now of course an Alpha will find all that amusing and a silly thing to call a victory, but that's fine. It's progress"
Why assume that an alpha won't respect that?
You have to start somewhere. That's a great first start.
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The hilarious thing is the looks I get from my wife. She likes the fact that I interest other women. When we left the ultrasound office she was cracking up."
They all do. They talk about how jealous they are... and maybe they are jealous... but they have a deep need to see other women wanting what they have.
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The hilarious thing is the looks I get from my wife. She likes the fact that I interest other women. When we left the ultrasound office she was cracking up."
They all do. They talk about how jealous they are... and maybe they are jealous... but they have a deep need to see other women wanting what they have.
Why assume that an alpha won't respect that?
You have to start somewhere. That's a great first start. -Nate
Thanks. Depends on the Alpha, obviously. Some seem to find the struggle of less successful men to climb the ladder vaguely amusing in a pathetic way. But I'm just happy to be making progress.
I appreciate the post and the positive comments. What makes the victory a little sweeter personally is that I wrote Vox a while back about this same girl, regarding whether it was possible to revive a fizzled out attempt at a relationship. His advice at the time was, of course, to forget it and move on. Knowing that was correct, I still found myself not quite able to do so until the situation described above.
As a believer I'm not interested in PUA type strategies, but I've been absorbing a lot of the concepts here and it's begun to show. The example above was the first major sign that things have indeed changed beyond just my own red pill clarity.
Heisenberg's uncertainty parenting.
You may be onto something there. I find it annoying rounding up the kids when it's time to leave and they're whining about wanting to stay, or not wanting to go, or blah blah blah blah wah wah... "Be quiet and get in the car" works, but it's still unpleasant.
If I didn't know exactly how many I was suppose to leave with, then it would be up to them to pay attention, realize when we were leaving, and get their own butts into the car, 'cause Dad ain't gonna notice if they're not there. I can just get in the car, glance over my shoulder, say "Well, that seems like about the right number!" and head on down the road with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
I like it.
Oh, and Oak, being happy making progress is a great way to go through life. That might even be the key to this whole Alpha business. I think the real difference between an Alpha and any other sort of man is that an Alpha has a goal and the courage and self-confidence to pursue it. Everything else just sort of follows along once you have that mindset.
What's the old saying? Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're probably right.
Please elaborate further on the following... "but at one point after I said something that surprised her, I saw unguarded respect in her eyes"
I am always curious to know what causes someone to be caught off guard or surprised. Especially when you have reason to believe you are in the "friend zone". That can be a most difficult area to get yourself out of.
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