Thursday, November 17, 2011

It's not your imagination

There is a reasonable chance that she is legitimately crazy by medical standards:
More than one in four American women took at least one drug for conditions like anxiety and depression last year, according to an analysis of prescription data. The report, by pharmacy benefits manager Medco Health Solutions Inc, found the use of drugs for psychiatric and behavioral disorders in all adults rose 22per cent from 2001.
I recommend staying away, very far away, from any woman who is in therapy, or who is on any sort of prescription for psychiatric or behavioral disorders. It's difficult enough out there in the current legal regime and there is no sense adding a degree of difficulty to your situation. No one is going to award you any extra points for attempting to manage crazy.


JCclimber said...

Yet 10% of the US adult population are taking prescription anti-depressants.

10%!!!!! Considering how many don't have health insurance, and therefore are less likely to be taking prescription meds, that means working adults, the middle and upper class, are the ones taking these.

And I just bet it is more than 50% women, too.

JCclimber said...

Anecdotally, I know many women who are on various meds for anxiety, depression, bipolar.

In every case, they are either single or married to a stereotypical Beta boy husband.

Every. Single. Case.

Including my first wife, when I was exhibiting many gamma/beta behaviors. Poor thing. I can see now that she was attracted to me when I was more alpha, and creeping beta behaviors as the marriage progressed drove her crazy.

Anonymous said...

Haha, too late!

swiftfoxmark2 said...

You don't promise crazy a baby...

indyguy77@work said...

Doctors push anti-depressants like candy.

They tried to push them on me for my chronic exhaustion brought on by too much XBox til 1am on worknights.

I just don't want to go to sleep because I'm DOING something.

Obviously, (admittedly stupidly on my part) hanging online mostly with friends that have work schedules that allow them to sleep in is indicative of depression.

I'm amazed that anyone trusts modern medicine enough to allow Big Pharma to alter their damn brain chemistry.

indyguy77@work said...

My point is that I would guess women are easily led by authority figures telling them that they need AD drugs.

Exercise in the sun -without sunscreen - with fresh air and supplemental vitamin D would do far more for these womens' health than any drug.

Stingray said...


Don't forget some more vigorous exercise as well. Endorphins can do wonders for this kind of thing. Diet as well.

Anonymous said...

Anecdotally, I know many women who are on various meds for anxiety, depression, bipolar.

In every case, they are either single or married to a stereotypical Beta boy husband.

Every. Single. Case.

Interesting... my mother (high-strung upper-middle-class woman) did not start showing many signs of anxiety until my father's career changed course, and pretty much took all the wind out of his sails.

He, a very achievement-oriented midwestern man, did not have many ways to demonstrate ALPHA without a mission in life, and the road has been pretty rocky for them ever since (including one unconsummated emotional affair on his part, and many explosions of shrieking rage on her part).

Looking back, I see all the classic signs. At the height of his career, he was quite the manly figure, and even rode in motocross races in his spare time, and my mother was the eternally-young fit wife well into her 40s. I imagine menopause occurred right around the time my father's circumstances changed, and that combo almost tore them apart. Being Old School, they stuck it out and managed to live in a certain amount of harmony, although it was never quite the same.

DaveD said...

JC Climber,

It may be anecdotal, but it may be something for a Game minded scientist to study. I say that mostly because after reading the piece, the beta/depressed connection in the women I know who take "happy pills" jumped to mind.

I would bet that a fair number of cat herders also take happy pills.


Joe A. said...

One in four seems a little lower than expected, actually.

Ironically, just 30 minutes before reading this, a schoolmate felt the need to talk about her possession if similar disorder(s) and blabber on about it for a while. I see this often; those same females tend to convey these issues not only implicitly but explicitly to those around them.

CarpeOro said...

My younger sister has had various issues in her life and used medication that was prescribed for her. She also attended therapy. She at one point suggested I get a prescription also when I was feeling depressed at the course of my life. I had zero interest in drugs or therapy. My answer was to put on some Blues music and strive to improve my life and get beyond the habits that continued to keep me in a rut. Takes more effort but results have been better.

mmaier2112 said...


Don't forget some more vigorous exercise as well. Endorphins can do wonders for this kind of thing. Diet as well."

Wow. I somehow didn't realize you meant sex here.

I agree with that sentiment, but some of us are trying to avoid fornication.

Dang it.

Stingray said...


Ummmm, actually I meant lifting weights and/or HIIT for cardio. No fornication needed for the endorphin push.

Or . . . are you kidding?

indyguy77@work said...

Ha! Well I'd already said exercise so I figured you'd meant something else.

Crossed wires and too much sex on the mind, I suppose.

I'm even checking out my boss at work. Dang petite, she is.

Stingray said...


Ah bugger. For some reason while I was typing my comment to you my brain switched "exercise in the sun" to "walking in the sun". Damn brain. No wonder you thought sex.

jer_the_bear said...

"I recommend staying away, very far away, from any woman who is in therapy, or who is on any sort of prescription for psychiatric or behavioral disorders."

Your customarily flawless advice, which came 18 years too late for me. Almost out of child-support prison, .

Stilicho said...

Crazy can be lots of fun as long as you don't have to stick around very long.

DaveD said...

"Don't stick your dangle in crazy."- Uncle Buck


Viking said...

I have said it for years now. "Don't Date Crazy!" In the end she is not fun, she is just crazy. Sane women are weird enough to begin with, you really don't need to go anywhere near crazy.

Accipitrine said...

In college in the 90's, I noticed that the depressed pill-popping girls invariably ate low-fat foods (and not much of them), in accordance with the "fat makes you fat" craze. Malnutrition seemed a likely culprit, especially for the one who bragged about eating nothing but plain pasta for nearly three weeks.

Anonymous said...

I think the real news here is that three out of four women are not taking their meds.

Daddynichol said...

Don't forget the liquid sedatives like beer, booze, wine, etc. That should take in about 80% of the population as medicated either by docs or self administered.

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:43 wins. Flawless victory.

Hacked acct. No longer your supporter $1.50 said...

Being wedded to the western medical model means taking drugs to treat symptoms instead of addressing the real problem.

Spare me the NAWALT and NAMALT. As a ex-pharma rep who actually studied the pharmacokinetics of many drugs, I know this particular class of meds are especially dangerous and should send red flags up for anyone. Crazy (foolish) women should be deal breakers for men - you never know what they will turn into as times goes on if you enter into a LTR with them.

There are numerous natural remedies for calmness, mood disturbances and other afflictions. In simplistic terms, Valerian/chamomile teas, cut back on caffeine, improving ones nutrition, exercise, and being in a right relationship w/ God can clear up a majority of problems, imo.

Agreed: hilarious comment anon, 4:43.

SarahsDaughter said...

I am sickened by the rate at which doctors are prescribing these things: Ativan, Centrax, Restoril, etc. But what's even worse is the women that will now not think twice about medicating the blues/intensity away. They do their due diligence about organic foods, what light bulbs to use, how to make their home Feng Shui but when their Doc gives them a script for a cure all for Normal life issues, they don't do one iota of research.
I watched my SIL stone-faced and unemotional at her husband's Military retirement ceremony (she was heavily medicated), meanwhile, I'm crying like a...normal woman.
I'll admit, when my husband was deployed and the ugliest part of our marriage was taking place, it would have been nice to take a pill to feel good again. But as you suggested, he did as well, that I get right with God. When he was "done" dealing with my irrational shit, he said, "fine, get on drugs." I researched it, asked those I knew about their drugs (it was then that I learned how many women I know are on them). I refused. So, in the process of getting right with God, I prayed for calm, and, I'd be a liar if I didn't include that when the crazy was overwhelming, I smoked some pot. Your suggestions are fantastic as well but I do have to say, pot definitely took the edge off temporarily and in my opinion is a much better option than than being on a daily tranquilizers that carry long term side affects with them.

JRL said...

Before going on SSRIs, try a daily regime of 2-6 grams of Tryptophan taken with a B complex and some carbs. Instead of stopping the re-uptake of serotonin in the brain, give your body the building blocks to make more of it.

SarahsDaughter said...

In other words, a healthy Thanksgiving dinner (turkey, potatoes and vegetables) know, the kind of dinner that humans used to eat at least once a day. Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

"by medical standards"

but it's not a medical issue, just because they're pills and handed out by people called doctors doesn't make it medical, it's social, personal, psychological, and the psych pharma industry is very big business....

Anonymous said...

JCclimber: Sadly, most of the types of crazy you're going to find in the women happen to have been formed in their early to late teenage years- and she was nuckin' futz from the get-go and you just didn't spot it because she was a good actress.

1 in every 10 people in the US have a corrosive mental illness in the form of B-Cluster Type II Personality Disorders, per the NIH estimates. If you saw what I saw and believed this statistic we're discussing, it's probably closer to 1 in 5 or 4. Not. Good.

Anonymous said...

@Anon-7:42: Oh, no... There's a lot more to it than you're claiming there is. Just look at my post. 1 in 10, of which 60% of that is BPD. Borderline Personality Disorder. Something that afflicts women more than men. There's a lot more to this than just society or the psych pharma business being big as it is.

Anonymous said...

"Borderline Personality Disorder."

Exactly what I'm talking about.. what is "Borderline Personality Disorder"? Who says it is an 'illness'? -the psychiatrist/pharma industry, drumming up business. Until you can prove to me that "Borderline Personality Disorder" is a real physical illness on the same level as Alzheimers or diabetes, then I'm going to assume it's just people's personal/social problems dressed up as "medical" problems for money making purposes and to give losers/deviants a convenient excuse as to why they 'can't help it' and why they need state funded 'treatment', etc

JRL said...

In other words, a healthy Thanksgiving dinner (turkey, potatoes and vegetables) know, the kind of dinner that humans used to eat at least once a day. Makes sense.

November 21, 2011 10:51 PM

Unfortunately, it's not that simple...turkey has tryptophan AND a bunch of other amino acids that basically inhibit tryptophan absorption.

That's why you need trypto supplements and not mix with protein...

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