Monday, July 29, 2013

Metaphorical height

As this article from a tall Englishwoman shows, "will you date a shorter man" may be the ideal rebuke to a broad variety of female complaints concerning male preferences.  It also usefully exposes the myth of sexual equality, as men clearly have no similar disinclination for dating shorter women:
At just under 5ft 10in, I consider myself a tall woman. The average male in England is 5ft 10in, while the typical female is a mere 5ft 5ins, so you could say I’m well over average height for my gender. What’s worse, according to statistics, half the men in the country are my height or shorter. When it comes to dating, that makes the chances of finding a potential boyfriend slimmer than most – if, like me, you care about finding a man who's taller than you.... most of my female friends admit that it's still important for them to date or marry a man who is taller than them. And not only a bit taller either, a good two inches taller is required. 
The desire for a man to be taller is the most basic form of hypergamy.  And it is an important lesson for men to keep in mind; she wants you to be taller because she wants you to be more dominant than her.  But simply being taller will not suffice if you refuse to provide any other aspects of dominance in the relationship.

Think of "being taller" as a metaphor and apply it to other aspects of the relationship. If she is attracted to literal height, she will respond favorably to metaphorical height as well.


Anonymous said...

Taller guy's hamsterlation for wants to date drummerguy, gangbanger, looser, bum & the thousand cock stare ...

A euphemism for only dates high quality men ... gives head for gina tingles ...

Gwen said...

I never cared about height (5'10" also), but I quickly learned even tall men aren't interested in tall women. Men like short, petite women just as much as women like tall, strong men.

CostelloM said...

AND this rule *STILL* holds true even if she insists on wearing 8 inch spike heals.... so "short" men need not apply!

Anonymous said...

Vox is quite correct. Kind of embarrassing, I married a exceptionally tall man. I must have known I was going to need a whole lot of dominance.

Shorter men should take heart, however, it's not the height that women are seeking, it's the dominance. Height is kind of a quick and instinctual way of trying to find dominance, but it's not very accurate. Tall men are not necessarily more dominant, they just provide a quick physical illusion.

SarahsDaughter said...

I like that - metaphorical height

Literal height has diminishing returns if he doesn't have girth to go with it. Same with dominance.

Taller - not a skinny giant
Dominant - not a tyrant

Anonymous said...

I want to thank Vox and everybody who has put up with me for the past few days. I've learned some amazing things from you all and I am so grateful.

I want to thank Vox for coming up with the concept of Game. It's absolutely brilliant. I always felt that something was there, but I had no framework to operate with. I am in complete awe of the fact that there is a path out of the Matrix, deliberately built right into the system.

And to all the men who have been hurt by The Way Things Are, I am so, so sorry. I'm so sorry that I didn't recognize your pain sooner and try to do something about it.

VD said...

I want to thank Vox for coming up with the concept of Game.

I'm afraid I did no such thing. Thank Neil Strauss and Roissy.

SarahsDaughter said...

Our humble host is difficult to compliment. He has taken game concepts/philosophy and presented them in a more palatable manner than the others. Many of us have been here from the inception coming from WND -> Vox's column -> Vox Popoli and would have never heard of Roissy if it weren't for him. And, had I stumbled on Roissy first...I'm not quite sure I would have kept reading.

Anonymous said...

I hear you, Vox, but you are the one who has presented it in a manner I could absorb. You are also the one who has patiently presented so many intelligent and rational arguments.

I've started reading Roissy and some of your other links, but SarahsDaughter is correct, had I stumbled upon them first I would have simply become a shrieking harpy and stopped listening.

CostelloM said...

If you'll take the compliment Vox you have added to the current understanding that it is possible to be a Christian and still practice game. Roissy, Roosh, and Athol have not done this. You do have a niche and while others have run with the concept it did (I believe) originate on the internet with you.

Anonymous said...

One more thing, what makes Game as Vox has presented it, so darn brilliant, is that it speaks to women on an emotional/instinctual level. This is very important, because the concepts in Game for women don't feel logical. For example, women are told daily that the only way to female empowerment is independence from men, but that's a lie. Empowerment for women often actually comes from submission. Try telling women that the key to female empowerment often involves giving men MORE control, and logic will simply tell our brains that that is completely irrational.

The reason I am so empowered that I can fearlessly waltz in on such a intelligent man's blog and insist on getting some clarification, is because of submission to my husband, not independence. Submission for women is not weakness, it's power, the way we were intended to wield it. Feminists can't give that to women.

Unknown said...

her article interesting phrasing on the title of that article though, on calling it a 'taboo,' inferring a social rule, escaping defining the need as something biological

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

My wife had trouble finding men (5'10") before I came along. She dated shorter men but was never satisfied. I am only an inch taller than she is, but she told me she feels safe with me because I feel solid when she hugs me. Her security with me probably also stems from me being military, building guns, martial arts, all that stuff.

Anonymous said...

I'm 5'7 - wife is 6'0. All I can say to short guys is this...if you want tall kids - contemplate Psalm 119.

"I will lift up my eyes to the hills— From whence comes my help? My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth."

When you are lifting your eyes to the hills and contemplating the Lord's goodness, recognize the gorgeous blonde who is 5 inches taller than you...don't assume she is out of your league...even when she states she doesn't date short guys. Us short guys know better.

Anonymous said...

If one saw a woman who was 6'2" tall seriously dating a man who was 5'8" tall, what would that say about either of them. Is the man clearly dominant, the woman settling, or perhaps something else?

VD said...

It would say that the man is clearly dominant.

Anonymous said...

It would say that the man is clearly dominant.

1. She had flaming red hair down to her butt.
2. She was a certified masseuse.
3. She was the bartender at my favorite pub.
4. She never, ever said no.

Still wondering how that ended.

MacLaren said...

"I quickly learned even tall men aren't interested in tall women"

That's not necessarily true. I love tall gals.

MacLaren said...

Just say NO to dwarfhumping!

Stickwick Stapers said...

Is the man clearly dominant, the woman settling, or perhaps something else?

Made me think of 5'6" Lars Ulrich and his preference for much taller women. If you watch him in Some Kind of Monster, it's pretty clear he's alpha.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

I once (briefly) dated a 6'4" Russian volleyball player just to say that I did.

She was exceptionally beautiful, and although we made a striking couple (I'm 6'2") the mechanics involved proved too stressful.

Anonymous said...

At our wedding the photographer asked me if I would like a step stool for the pictures. It provides great comedy years later with the kids.

Stg58/Animal Mother said...

My dad told me to marry a woman who is taller than you are when she wears heels. It cements your Socio-Sexual status upon entering the room to be seen with a woman slightly taller than you are.

Anonymous said...


I keep thinking of the short guys like Horatio Nelson and Napoleon Bonaparte. Real-Deal Alpha males.

BTW, a tall woman needs to use it...which means a skirt/dress and heels.

Penrose said...

Harambe said...

Snack-sized girls are great for a bit of fun, but if you're thinking of having kids, tall women will (usually) contribute better genes.

Denton said...

Travelled with a non-American woman from work who is 6' 1" once, more in heels and doesn't "like shorter men." I'm just under 6. We were out in a downtown area someplace and I keep telling her what to do: stuff like "that's looks cool. Let's try that." Halfway into the evening she goes "It's so nice to be out with a man with hair on his chest" and starts getting really touchy. Like the joke says, its not about bear hunting...

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Adam Lawson said...

Long time reader, first time poster (if memory serves!).

Hm. I am taller than my wife. I've been taller than all of my girlfriends before her, and I am taller than this English woman (though not by much).

Once, when I was a teenager, I told a friend I couldn't date someone older, richer, or taller than I. This isn't just a woman's want -- I think it is built into us that the man should be taller, with few exceptions. I can only think of one successful couple I know that does not follow this basic concept.

It is interesting that it is seen as acceptable for a woman to desire a taller man (which the man cannot help) but it is distasteful for a man to want a thin wife (which the woman can help!).

(My friend, being a smart-ass, asked, "What if she's smarter?" To which I replied, "At least then she'd be a libertarian." Small-L.)

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