I was at the gym yesterday talking with a friendly acquaintance, a younger man who is tall, personable, handsome, and in the process of getting his Master's. He's a big, strong guy, thirty, and looks exactly like the sort of guy you'd see in a fire department's annual beefcake catalog. He's precisely the sort of Alpha for whom most women would swoon on sight.
He was telling me about an upcoming trip to the beach with his girlfriend he had planned when I raised my eyebrows, wondering if he was thinking about proposing to her. But he apparently anticipated what had crossed my mind, because he laughed and shook his head. While he said he had great respect for the institution of marriage, and wanted to have children someday, his considered opinion was that a man would have to be a fool to get married these days because it fundamentally changes the woman's attitude and behavior towards the man.
"Once they have the ring, they think they own you," he said. And whether this is generally true or not, it was interesting to see that this thinking on the part of young men has now penetrated Europe as well as the USA. He wasn't afraid of getting divorced, although he was aware that the laws and family courts tend to be stacked against men, he simply didn't see any reason to voluntarily alter the power balance of the relationship to his detriment. "Why would I want to do that?" he asked. "There is no reason I should."
And from his irreligious perspective, he's absolutely correct. Unless you are a religious man, there is no longer any rational reason to marry a woman. You can have sex with her and even have children with her without making any sort of legally enforceable commitment. And unless you are a religious woman who is willing to forswear her legal right to divorce and a potential court-imposed division of family assets, there is absolutely no reason for a man to ever marry you.
If no-fault divorce and the cash-and-prizes system of alimony and child support is not ended soon, I suspect the marriage rate across the West is going to crash even further than we have already witnessed. And although the Female Imperative will demand the imposition of forced marriage laws such as have already been introduced in parts of Canada in order to maintain the Marriage 2.0 system, men will avoid them by simply refusing to live with the mothers of their children.
This is not a good thing. Marriage 2.0 must be dismantled immediately before its additional ramifications shatter the pillars of Western civilization.
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About "Forced Marriage Laws" in Canada; can you supply linkage to that info? I find that interesting. Thanks.
Using the old Peanuts comic strip as a metaphor, if football had to be played according to Lucy's rules, then men would learn to avoid football.
Perhaps Vox will clarify, but I'm sure the Canadian laws he speaks of are those that impute marriage to cohabitation.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Canada+imputed+marriage+for+cohabitation
When the divorce lawyer promises she can get you cash and prizes - even if you weren't marriage - you know there's a scam.
What does the word "spouse" even mean anymore?
"Spousal support is generally paid on a monthly basis although it may also be paid in a lump sum. It is governed by Section 15 of the Divorce Act (federal legislation) and Sections 30 and 33 of the Family Law Act (provincial legislation). Spousal support after a marriage is covered under the Divorce Act, whereas spousal support for couples who cohabited outside of marriage (and meet the legal definition of having cohabited continuously for a period of not less than three years or who have cohabited in a relationship of some permanence and are the natural or adoptive parents of a child) must use the Family Law Act."
A problem also is even devoutly religious women who make a conscious choice to never divorce are swayed in their demeanor more than they realize by the power given to them by law. So are the men too, especially if they value living with their children.
Imagine a small frail man confronting you in a bar, and when you respond to him a large biker jumps in and says "you ness with him and you're messing with me." The small man is then even more contentious and you are more cautious because your options have changed... you run the risk of harm.
Pretty sure if you have kids with her you're creating some legally enforceable obligations (but I get your point).
I mention this because, early in my law career, a young man came in for a consult. He had a one night stand and the girl did not want to get an abortion. He asked for my advice. I advised him to get ready to be a father, and that he could look forward to paying child support for 18+ years. A very unhappy young man.
I have a very similar description to the man in question, except that I am 26 and make a very good salary with my masters in engineering degree. Although I have the same outlook as the man in question, I will probably end up getting married sometime in the next 2-4 years, mainly to ease my girlfriend's mind. The one thing that I have going for me concerning marriage, which my gf undeniably knows, is that I am not afraid of divorce and I have a "scorched earth policy" with many things in life.
In this sense, a nihilistic attitude can do wonders to keep a marriage in check. I grew up poor, can live on minimal assets, and my main hobbies (the gym, rec sports, reading and poker) come cheaply, with poker being +EV. In the worst case scenario of my eventual wife divorcing me and taking many assets and the kids, I wouldn't bat an eyelash and thus this scenario can not be hung over my head. Social shaming means nothing to me in terms of divorce and I have enough skills to make a comfortable salary and build life back up if need be. If more men took this approach we would see a lot less "thinking they own you" and more happy couples.
@: " In the worst case scenario of my eventual wife divorcing me and taking many assets and the kids, I wouldn't bat an eyelash and thus this scenario can not be hung over my head."
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Forget money for a minute, and think psychological.
Real life event of an acquaintance: married 10 years. 3 kids. Six figure income. Suspects affair. Hides camera. Catches wife doing drugs, swallowing, sex, with a thug. Files for divorce.
2 years later: every other Friday, he knocks on the door of the house he fully paid for. Thug now lives there and answers the door. Takes kids for two nights. Sunday, car he paid for pulls into driveway. Driven by thug who shagged his wife picking up his children.
Wife now lives with thug in the husbands house with husbands kids. Neither employed. $1800 alimony and child support plenty to support them since they have no house or car payment.
Due to the situation, court ordered her to do drug rehab.
This guys problems aren't financial so much as psychological. He's actually paying for another man to live with his kids and shag his ex wife.
And I wish I was making the story up. His ex wife's name is Nikki and she is the sister of one of my wifes best friends, so we knew her better. Situation is so bad that even Nikki's family wanted troy to get the kids.
The male judge argued this was best for the children, to continue living in their home with their mother.
One could hardly imagine an unemployed father getting custody on the mothers dime after a drug filled fling with a prostitute.
Crazy.
Jason, everything you say is true, but you gloss over the "taking the kids" part pretty quickly. That's usually what screws a man up in divorce. Unless you're rich, she's not going to hurt you with alimony; and if you're willing to live simply like you say, it's not too hard to move to another location, even another country, and start over socially. But if you have kids with her, and you're attached to them -- or at least feel a duty to to them -- she has you over a barrel. Many men cave in to demands before and during the divorce in the hopes of buying some decency from the ex where custody is concerned. It rarely works -- probably makes her worse more often than not, because it shows weakness -- but they don't know what else to do.
If losing your kids wouldn't bother you any more than losing assets, then you're pretty safe. It's hard to know whether that would be true before you've had them, though.
Check the laws in the state before you marry. Some are extremely anti-male, anti-father. I would relocate with her to the new state if necessary before getting married. Seems extreme, but the consequences are even more extreme if your marriage goes south in some States, mom gets kid and your paycheck and can do whatever she wants including move away. You don't like it, go pay a lawyer. Its a system designed to fuck fathers and enrich lawyers. Other states default to evenly split custody and support scenario which provides incentive for the parents to resolve issues and behave as adults. Do your research before moving to a new state if you are young and want to have children in the future.
@ Trust.
But he pays. It may be his career held hostage or whatever, but he pays the ransom. This shit would stop if men stopped paying and damn the consequences.
[The] problem also is even devoutly religious women who make a conscious choice to never divorce are swayed in their demeanor more than they realize by the power given to them by law. So are the men too, especially if they value living with their children.
This why we have NEVER seen large groups of "traditional" women fighting tooth and nail to abolish NFD and return to Marriage 1.0 conditions status quo ante. There are simply too many spillover benefits to ALL women within the current system. Biggest of these is the "out" that NFD gives trad women. They might publicly proclaim "I'd NEVER divorce my husband like those other Godless bitches do all the time. But what if my husband becomes a drug addict, or an alcoholic, or abusive, or, dear God forbid, chronically unemployed and I have to contribute bread for the table? That's when I HAVE TO be able to get out."
Trad women may be sincere in their convictions, but rest assured that they're also just as pragmatic as the feministas.
This why we have NEVER seen large groups of "traditional" women fighting tooth and nail to abolish NFD and return to Marriage 1.0 conditions status quo ante. There are simply too many spillover benefits to ALL women within the current system.
"Traditional" women don't fight for these things because they know it is not their place to do so.
I hear what you guys are saying about kids, and tbf I'm probably a couple standard deviations above the norm in callousness due to my upbringing, but IMO having this scorched earth mindset will keep more marriages together in the long run, though a certain % of kids will face collateral damage due to this (althought they were going to be damaged in some form anyways due to a 'normal' divorce'). As discussed many times here and elsewhere, when a woman knows you are willing to call her bluff she will most likely start to act right. They push because they truly desire the dread of you pushing back harder, which I would be willing to do. I've already discussed marriage, kids, divorce, etc. with my gf, and in no uncertain terms she understands my stance when it comes to it. If she decided to leave for whatever reason, then she would knowingly become a single mother who has left her kids essentially fatherless.
I fully admit that this is not the optimal attitude for family in the ideal sense, but if you are going to get married this is the optimal attitude for the way things are currently set up.
Worse is better. Let it crash and burn.
Some people think this attitude of avoiding marriage and using dread is the sole province of a ragtag group of disgruntled, disaffected middle aged men seething with anger and resentment. But that's not what I'm seeing here, either in Vox's example of the lifting buddy above or in Jason773's description. This sounds like normal, everyday, ordinary, single and married men just doing what they need to do to protect themselves and their kids.
I don't call that disgruntled, angry or resentful. To me it's just living in the real world. To me it's just accepting reality.
The real "scorched-earth" policy is to sell/gut/steamroll the house, hide/burn/export the money, leave the country, abandon the kids entirely, and try again with a younger woman. I've told my fiancée as much, divorce laws do not apply to us. After the fact, all blame goes to the propriety of the divorced husband in choosing to going along with the ex and her intimidating buddy at the bar.
Why marry? The dice-roll that sons will be raised by their own father and daughters by a respectable, present (= non-working) mother. If it happens not to work out that way, keep all possible dice, move on entirely from the first mistake, and roll again.
As society changes, so does relationships. The woman earning more money than her husband has been the reality and increasing from the current 25% of marriages. Women are increasingly coming into the relationship with substantial assets. This will be counterweight of any cash and prizes that a man will bear. Even so, it doesn't hurt to get a prenuptial agreement and such a document should not be opposed when a woman is not at her negotiating strength.
While it is easy to say a man should not marry, there is much risk from a non-marital relationship. The children may not be his. False paternity is a huge problem and not easily prevented. He will still be on the hook for child support for his bastard children.
If not marrying, maintaining two separate households is not cost effective, but I guess if some can do it, then they are a rare arrangement. Some take the next step of buying the house together. It's an ackward situation for both to own the same house and then find they want to separate after two years.
To make the argument easier, if you find yourself drawn to her much longer and you don't want to marry. End it.
I will probably end up getting married sometime in the next 2-4 years, mainly to ease my girlfriend's mind.
In the worst case scenario of my eventual wife divorcing me and taking many assets and the kids, I wouldn't bat an eyelash and thus this scenario can not be hung over my head.
Meaning no disrespect, you are so wrong it is laughable. You expect any man of experience to believe that you will not bat an eyelash at walking away from your life, and your future children, when you are already giving in "to ease her mind"?
That is not necessarily the absolute worst reason to marry a woman, but it is in the top ten. Ask yourself this question: why does her mind need easing? And this one: will the easing of her mind likely change her behavior for the better or for the worse?
Another reason women will never side with us on this is the unspoken assumption that if a man gets dumped by his wife, he probably deserves it.
After all, were he a Real Man who fulfilled his wife's each and every need to the point that she has absolutely nothing to complain about ever (the very least any man owes his Queen), it would never even occur to her to leave him.
Guys who get divorced obviously fell short somehow; and guys who fall short somehow aren't Real Men. Therefore, they deserve it.
--Martel
Ither scorched earth strategies include the legal ones: Wife, if you divorce me, the legal battles will be epic. Our divorce will be total war. There will be no agreements about anything, and especially not about child custody or property. I will force everything to discovery and hearings. I will put you, your family, and your friends under oath, under penalty of perjury, and make them tell the truth on video and in court. If I am going to be impoverished in this divorce, so will you, and so will the children.
We will have a true equal property division. Neither of us will get the house. We will sell all the marital property, reduce it to cash, and split the proceeds 50/50. Down. To. The. Penny.
I will not agree to give you custody of the kids. I will seek to eliminate or minimize any ongoing monetary obligations to you as much as legally possible. We will have a best interests hearing in which all the dirty laundry will be aired. I'll recount all the abuse, all the maltreatment, and all the bad conduct. We will play all the videos, show all the photos. I'll sling all the mud I can. I will lose, but I will consume some of the proceeds in doing so and I will protract and prolong them as long as I possibly can.
In the unlikely event I obtain primary residential custody, I will obtain an order requiring you to pay child support. If I cannot get primary residential custody I will seek precisely equal joint residential custody and seek to negate child support in that fashion. If I cannot get equal joint residential custody I will seek to have the children live with me as much as possible.
One element usually left out of these is the threat of physical violence.
If women are fear-motivated, I wonder how many would hesitate to file divorce proceedings if they knew an epic level beatdown would be in their near future?
See, as a man, that wouldn't be much of a hindrance, going back to childhood we were willing to endure physical punishment to get what we wanted, and after the testosterone hit that came in puberty, that willingness only increased.
This method wouldn't work for me and my house, and as a Christian I am certain divorce isn't an option, but for those who are not a Christian and for some God-forsaken reason are still considering marriage, I wonder why this isn't in their scorched earth toolbox.
"To make the argument easier, if you find yourself drawn to her much longer and you don't want to marry. End it."
This has been the best course of action in my experience. The harsh reality is that women - even those on the receiving end of their BF's scorched earth, power imbalance, structural legal/risk exposure, children as leverage discussions and even those who agree, "you are right, the laws/system/culture isn't fair, great risk for men", STILL will not 'ease' their own minds and be content w/o marriage; they want marriage. Period.
Yeah, to you (currently), but at some point in most of these situations she will demonstrate that she values those marital benefits more than she "loves" you. Might as well preempt this as early on as possible. Or admit that you kinda like the idea of marriage and then build your go-bag and economic parachute and cross your fingers.
"I don't believe in marriage", "I like things the way they are", "I don't need/want a contract with the State", "I am not going to marry you". Is a far better approach than dangling even a hint of future marital bliss to ease her mind. Even with those statements, many women will stick around to take a shot at breaking you down. They assume these are merely defense mechanisms or stalling techniques of fear of commitment. The fem agenda is doing women no favors by encouraging these tropes.
For me is is simply alignment of values. You value the person or the institution. Religious devotion or children obviously changes things. But those situations, those men and women who live lives aligned with a higher power and purpose are increasingly rare.
Unfortunately it is often just a stand-off between two pragmatic wills. And when I encounter and date women over 30 who have already played house, had honeymoons, and all approximations of marriage and were fine w/o the certificate, but with ME they want my babies and a ceremony (nothing "serious", just a quaint beachside service) I see it not as valuing me more than her past men, but the opposite. Because she knows that the certificate means nothing to me except greater risk and she probably agrees that to be the case herself, and is thus asking me to subordinate myself in a position that she has not asked past men to do to earn the right to her companionship. Is this dark? or Practical?
The social shaming/guilt via leveraging male honor vis a vis his marital intentions has vastly outlived the actual institution.
Vox,
"Meaning no disrespect, you are so wrong it is laughable. You expect any man of experience to believe that you will not bat an eyelash at walking away from your life, and your future children, when you are already giving in "to ease her mind"?"
You're entitled to your opinion and experience, but I understand my convictions. Also, I wouldn't classify marrying her as 'giving in', as you so put it. I am not totally against marriage, as I do believe it provides structure and makes sense if you have kids, and it is something I am willingly risking. She has certainly proven herself as marriage material thus far, but I am always a skeptic. As for kids, I self admittedly have sociopathic tendencies, and if the wife blew up the marriage I know I would be able to assuage any fault/guilt of abandoning them. It's simply the way I am built, which would be hard for a normally wired person to understand.
And to be clear, IF a divorce happened and it was totally and completely amicable (hence life is not blown up), I would continue to be a part of the kids' lives. If the claws came out on her end, then she knows the consequences.
"That is not necessarily the absolute worst reason to marry a woman, but it is in the top ten. Ask yourself this question: why does her mind need easing? And this one: will the easing of her mind likely change her behavior for the better or for the worse"
Her mind needs easing due to family/societal/partial-religious pressure, which I am not fond of, but am willing to accept. As for her behavior, I would suspect it will have a neutral effect, as she already assumes a very feminine role in the relationship. The thing is, with marriage, there would be a ton of family/societal pressure on her to stay together, while for me there is nothing besides the fact that I want to be married. That a divorce does not majorly impact me in a psychological manner is a large chip in my stack.
I don't understand the concept of "easing her mind" in the first place. Honestly, who gives even the smallest fuck? The only thing that is making her uneasy is a) her lesser social status among women, and, b) her inability to summon the power of the State to use it against you.
Neither are your problem.
You're entitled to your opinion and experience, but I understand my convictions.
Hey, do what you like. But it is readily apparent that you aren't nearly as bulletproof as you believe you are. I hope you're fortunate and you never find out otherwise. If you do, well, at least you were warned.
Ease your mind by moving on, plenty of women out there for sociopaths.
As well, in terms of easing her mind, I'm sure she secretly wants the security of the fact that it would be much harder for me to simply up and leave one day for no particularly good reason.
@: "As for her behavior, I would suspect it will have a neutral effect, as she already assumes a very feminine role in the relationship."
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Most women who leverage legal power after marriage played a more traditional role when pursuing the marriage. Otherwise the man wouldn't have married her.
A man's attitude changes when he has a gun. Should be easy to understand why a woman's attitude changes when given a legal club.
Vox,
You're correct on the State sponsored security, as I just mentioned, but social status would be low on her totem poll. I would say the number 1 reason for her wanting marriage is a sincere belief in the idea of "love = marriage" security, number 2 being security and number 3 being religious-family acceptance.
@: " I'm sure she secretly wants the security of the fact that it would be much harder for me to simply up and leave one day for no particularly good reason."
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Which equals the ability for her to keep extracting support from you should she decide to leave for no good reason or the pool boy.
"Ease your mind by moving on, plenty of women out there for sociopaths."
Why? I currently like the one I have.
"Most women who leverage legal power after marriage played a more traditional role when pursuing the marriage. Otherwise the man wouldn't have married her."
While this is true, unlike a lot of arm chair QBs in the manosphere, I've been on the PUA/dating/realtionship grind for the last 8+ years, and I know what the market looks like in terms of acquiring early 20s women. In my age group, I have yet to see someone else's relationship even remotely comes close to functioning like mine does (and this is accounting for relationships headed towards marriage where the girl is supposedly on her good behavior), and my experience with women in general helps me understand that my gf is in the 95th+ percentile when it comes to marriage. Does that mean I'm bulletproof? Absolutely not, but it is what it is.
While he. . . wanted to have children someday, his considered opinion was that a man would have to be a fool to get married these days
If you're going to have kids on purpose, you might as well marry their mother. You're on the hook for child support either way, and being married might give you a better shot at an equitable custody arrangement in the event of a split.
I do want you to succeed.
I have been married 10 years and have one of the better marriages in our social circle. However, she was a better partner pre marriage. She knows her legal position is stringer than mine events if she doesn't consciously leverage that.
Again, I just want to note: This is not middle aged men saying this. This is young PUAs and players. This is men married a few years. This is men from all walks of life, every age and station.
So to paint this issue as being important to no one but a few disgruntled, angry and resentful middle aged failures is just false and so much bullshit.
Admittedly, that comes off as "bitter." In fairness, it is meant as a stern warning.
So, here's another tract.
Jason,
What are her red flags?
You know them. One is clear. She had an unstable upbringing.
What's her N?
Debt that you know of, "legit" or not?
Seriousness in faith?
Drinking history?
Mental health issues, no matter how far "in the past?" How about ones you think she may have (depression), but she is in denial?
I tried to warn my buddy. His wife had a lot of them. He still married her. Only a year in, so there's no "I told you so."
So, I can expect 100 guys will tell you it's stupid and you'll still convince yourself that you can handle anything. It's not your ability to handle things. It's her ability to stick with a commitment.
And that's where the red flags are important.
Her mind needs easing due to family/societal/partial-religious pressure, which I am not fond of, but am willing to accept.
The Hamster is strong in this one.
Traditional" women don't fight for these things because they know it is not their place to do so.
Strongly disagree. The ONLY effective agents for positive change of this sort are the people who are most affected by the status quo and who have the most to either gain or lose by any changes to it. In this case that is obviously women who adhere to traditional values. To say that working for positive change for something that affects them directly is "not [women's] place" is to rob them of moral agency - which is exactly what is responsible for the mess we now all walliw in.
amusing to say that social status is not a factor, then later say that "Her mind needs easing due to family/societal/partial-religious pressure, which I am not fond of, but am willing to accept."
In other words, social status with her family, societal, and religion. Got it. Not social status at all.
Owen,
For the sake of boredom I'll answer your questions...
Red flags: Slightly neurotic and emotional, especially compared to me, but not that much of a stretch compared to most women. Parents are strict Catholics, especially her mother who is the queen of neurotics, but her heart is in the right place. Her mom's neuroticism and sheltering def took a toll on her, but her parents have been together for about 40yrs now.
N: I know it, she isn't a saint, but she wasn't promiscuous at all. No doubt that I'm her 'alpha' if we use that heirarchy, and my N absolutely cripples hers.
Debt: None. College degree, decent pay as a teacher, financially responsible.
Faith: Was more religious before she met me, still believes in God and is a semi-practicing Catholic. I am not religious so this does not matter to me. She was raised by strict Catholic parents though and went to Catholic school from K through college.
Drinking: Imbibes a bit, but generally only with me and never had a party YOLO lifestyle in college, especially since she went to a Catholic university out in the middle of nowhere and close to home.
No mental health issues or medication for anything like anxiety, depression, etc.
I'm not saying she is perfect, but she is about the best bet that you can find these days, and the fact that she is in the 8-9 range doesn't hurt. If it didn't work out though, you'll never catch me saying "I didn't see that coming". I'm a realist, and I realize what marriage is these days.
JCclimber,
I'd be much more concerned if it was a social thing due to friends and peers, rather than family and religion. Look, most women still want to get married, even if they say they don't, and some of that is social pressure. It comes with the territory of having sex with one for more than 1yr.
[The] problem also is even devoutly religious women who make a conscious choice to never divorce are swayed in their demeanor more than they realize by the power given to them by law.
That's the carrot. The stick is that, no matter how much a woman means it when she speaks her vow, if her feelings for her husband change, so will her commitment. I don't mean that women never keep their word. But when a woman starts to feel like the marriage isn't right, her hamster will pick away at that vow, looking for reasons why she shouldn't keep it: he tricked her, he changed so he's not the same person she married, she's physically unsafe (which she can decide because he's "controlling" even if he never raised his hand or voice against her), the failing marriage is hurting the kids so she has to break it for their sake, he's been cheating in his heart (including any porn). I came up with all those in the time it took me to type them, and her hamster is far more powerful than my imagination. If she's unhappy, her unopposed hamster will convince her that breaking her vow is not only justified, but good.
That's why she needs to be surrounded by family, friends, and authority figures who will encourage her to keep her vow -- ideally, they will present a united front that considers breaking it simply unthinkable. She needs to feel like even bringing up the topic of divorce with people would disgust them and turn them against her. That way, when she has a bad day, she'll think about ways to make it better instead of excuses to run away.
You can surround a wife with such people to some extent. If you go to a very traditional church and pick your friends very carefully, and your families are traditional or you've cut them out of your lives, and you limit her access to TV and other entertainment (especially social media), you can improve your odds. Traditional women don't have less inventive hamsters; they just have better influences.
The religious girls are the ones that cut off sex and then call porn adultery when he turns to it. The only way a girl has even a chance at being serious with Marriage 1.0 is if she of her own accord goes to a lawyer and gets a prenup drawn up that says in the event of a divorce without adultery the divorcing party walks with nothing.
If women are fear-motivated, I wonder how many would hesitate to file divorce proceedings if they knew an epic level beatdown would be in their near future?
That is why the filing of divorce regularly goes hand in hand with a TRO, which are routinely granted as are the follow up preliminary injunctions if the man has ever raised his voice to her, broken anything in anger, or looked threateningly at her.
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If you're going to have kids on purpose, you might as well marry their mother. You're on the hook for child support either way, and being married might give you a better shot at an equitable custody arrangement in the event of a split.
Depends on the state and your financial state. Some states you are SOL on custody, and really it matters county to county in states as well. There is no property settlement, but judges will stuff that into child support awards which is a kick in the nuts because at least alimony is tax deductible.
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The top quint, which has the most cash prizes, is relatively stable so either the women there a) have perfected cuckholding, b) don't need to divorce, or they are able to realize the realities that even with a nice safety net short term tingles aren't worth the long term status and lifestyle hit, or c) married to alphas.
That doesn't speak to the quality of these relationships for the men, but it should be better than average because the women are less likely to use the nuke even if they have that option.
That should read:
The top quint, which has the most cash prizes, is relatively stable so either the women there a) have perfected cuckholding thus don't need to divorce, b) they are able to realize the realities that even with a nice safety net short term tingles aren't worth the long term status and lifestyle hit, or c) married to alphas.
you can't just avoid marriage. you have to make sure she doesn't move in with you. & you have to avoid ending up in a common-law marriage in your state. & if you get her pregnant get a paternity test.
My mechanic has been over to the farm the past week going through my transmission and he is in the same boat. Good job, good money, a house, a coming lrg inheritance, zero desire to get married because the deck is stacked against him. I pointed him to this site & Return of Kings about 2 years ago. Now he "gets it" & wants nothing to do with it. His logic is hard to fault.
The future does look dim Vox. The alternatives are not good for long term societal stability even if they seem necessary for a given man. Things will likely get very dark for an extended period. Hopefully people will wake up before it is too bad.
Kind of like life in Ancient Israel, the Northern Kingdom. They were greatly prosperous, incredibly into idols and seemed like nothing could bring them down. Then the even worse Assyrians came and eliminated them. What will be modern society's Assyria?
I would relocate with her to the new state if necessary before getting married.
The state in which you marry doesn't matter. What matters is your residency when the divorce is filed. A coworker of mine had his wife to another (female friendly) state and say she didn't want a divorce, but she needed time alone and they'd talk in six months. Once she was officially a resident she filed and took him to the cleaners.
If your wife moves to a state with more favorable (for her) divorce laws and tries to string you along with the wishy-washy treatment, you should file right away. She's not trying to make up her mind - she's stealing a march on the legal high ground.
The key is not only where you divorce, but when. Some of the biggest shocks were men who married under 1.0 laws and divorced under 2.0 laws.
Just because you don't see "traditional" women fighting "tooth and nail" doesn't mean that they aren't fighting. You can't expect a feminine, submissive women to fight the fight like a dominant, masculine man. Our fight is raising our families well from the home so that our husbands rise and succeed, coming home to encouragement and care every night. Our fight is raising strong, independent, masculine sons and peaceful, respectful, feminine daughters. Our fight is bringing the best of ourselves to the table everyday regardless of the behavior or opinions of others. No one else's poor behavior justifies our own. Our wedding rings are a privilege we hold in high esteem. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. One day when all the state raised children can't read, do basic math, or cobble together families, our children will stand over them head and shoulders and they will create change or be strong enough to succeed without it.
Men avoiding marriage is part of the price women pay for their sexual utopia and the fem-centric legal system.
And avoiding marriage is perfectly within a man's right. It's not for me to judge or speak to whether or not a man should marry in this present day and age. However, traditional women create positive change through supporting their husbands and raising their children. In short, traditional women are using marriage to create positive change, and that's okay and it's possible for it to be honest.
The solution is to start shooting divorce court judges, until not a single judge wants to convene a divorce court.
Unless you are a religious man, there is no longer any rational reason to marry a woman. You can have sex with her and even have children with her without making any sort of legally enforceable commitment. And unless you are a religious woman who is willing to forswear her legal right to divorce and a potential court-imposed division of family assets, there is absolutely no reason for a man to ever marry you.
This sums up matrimony in Western society quite accurately. It really is sad what has been done to marriage and the family in these last few decades.
Spousal support after a marriage is covered under the Divorce Act, whereas spousal support for couples who cohabited outside of marriage (and meet the legal definition of having cohabited continuously for a period of not less than three years or who have cohabited in a relationship of some permanence and are the natural or adoptive parents of a child) must use the Family Law Act.
One would think that, with laws like these, somebody didn't want folks to get married and / or have children.
"Traditional" women don't fight for these things because they know it is not their place to do so.
I think most "traditional" woman are in agreement with maternal custody, child support, and alimony. I think the traditions they follow are post "tender years doctrine", and non patriarchal in any true sense. If I am wrong, I haven't seen it.
@Veritas... Amen sista. True revolutionary change starts in the home. Period. It is the place in which God wants the power to reside in the community and it is the very first place where the human being is introduced to order and law. Let's make it God's Law they are first introduced to, then they will not be duped nor led astray by the faulty and even twisted laws of men.
Jason773 gives us a great example of the ultimate vanity of it all outside of Christ. To marry, not to marry, that is the... well, outside of Him, the question doesn't even matter. It is merely papering over, superficially formalizing, a more fundamental reality that is dominant: that of the relationship between a man and a woman. With Christian marriage, with two believers willing to be, and already living in some degree, submissive to God's Law, marriage is actually a crucial part of that more fundamental and ultimately dominant relationship. The marriage sacrament itself plays a role, it is primary and precedent to the sexual (and therefore spiritual) union, and through it He plays a crucial and dominant role over their relationship and its trajectory, its path and its purpose. And ultimately, its meaningfulness. He, His Law, His mission, His objectives become part and parcel to, inform and guide, the very married Game the Christian male is implementing with his woman, which also becomes part of the overall manly, godly leadership he provides to the entire family. For His purposes and pleasure, for His Glory.
Otherwise, why the hell get married? Especially in this day and age when you can get everything from her; daily sex, emotional commitment and submission, her laughter, her smile, her song and dance, her charms, the twinkle in her eye and the tingle in her panties, everything she has, all without the paperwork, formal posturing, and verbal sentimentalities?
Jason773 is exactly where a great many non-believing men, even those with refined game and lots of quality options for wives, find themselves. Without a purpose. Without a meaning beyond gaming this system called 'life'. Some will still get married, but ultimately it's all various rationalizations that lead to.... what? Various forms of economic partnerships, easing the other's mind or insecurities, giving into her wishes or his wishes, or relationship inertia, or societal and familial pressures, or just finally realizing one might be better off with a few kids and a constant companion to help you though old age, to avoid being old and lonely. Because you certainly don't need to get married if you merely enjoy their company and the sex. Not if your a non-believer.
If you are well-versed in Game, as Jason773 appears to be, her anxiety over your unmarried status is valuable leverage to be used to maintain or even increase her emotional commitment and submissive position in the relationship. Maybe even kinky sex if you're getting bored. If its kids she or you want, knock her up. But, again, why get married if you're not a believer?
Game is good. It is a must have for any man who wishes to be fully Man. It will raise your chances considerably of landing and keeping a woman, be she a Christian or not. But outside of God, of Christ, it has no ultimate purpose.
And Game is certainly no guarantee of happily-ever-after with your woman. After all, fornication is Sin. And no amount of Game, no matter how rock solid, can keep Sin in a box. It has its own way of getting out. Out. of. controoooooooool. But that's another thread, for another day.
We have the "three years cohabitation counts as marriage" rule here in New Zealand.
no matter how much a woman means it when she speaks her vow, if her feelings for her husband change, so will her commitment. I don't mean that women never keep their word. But when a woman starts to feel like the marriage isn't right, her hamster will pick away at that vow, looking for reasons why she shouldn't keep it: he tricked her, he changed...
Data point one, men hit their SMV peak latter than women. Data point two, much of a man's SMV (or at least the part that isn't based on Dark Triad traits) comes from social success. Data point three, social success is a scarce resource.
Sorry, too many Martinis tonight (but they were good ones). TL:DR version: Women evaluate young-ish men not just on their current SMV, but on their potential SMV The fast-track junior executive is not yet a bajillionaire, but he's headed in that direction. So Little Miss Hotbody signs on a Mrs Junior Executive with stars in her eyes about her future as the wife of a corporate bigwig (old saying, if you want to be the wife of a General, you have to marry a Lieutenant). But only a fraction of fast-track junior executives actually make it through all the obstacles to becomes the executive bigshots. The ones who don't have wives who feel cheated. They bet on the wrong horse, and their hamsters start thinking about putting him out to Pasteur so they can find a new ride.
Being surrounded by people who support the institution of marriage as opposed to the institution of YouGoGrrrl is a critical factor at that point.
Trust wrote: **And I wish I was making the story up. His ex wife's name is Nikki and she is the sister of one of my wifes best friends, so we knew her better. Situation is so bad that even Nikki's family wanted troy to get the kids.
The male judge argued this was best for the children, to continue living in their home with their mother.
One could hardly imagine an unemployed father getting custody on the mothers dime after a drug filled fling with a prostitute.**
My suggestion here... is there any possible way that the husband could trick (or otherwise arrange for) the wife into getting into a very bad confrontation with her children's public school teachers? Preferably a female teacher.
The reason why is this. The daughter of one of my mother's friends had a son with a peanut allergy. She sent in a form informing his school of this, but one of the teachers accidentally gave the son something with peanuts in it, nearly killing him. Rather than have one of their teachers take responsibility for this, the form that she had given the school vanished, and it was claimed she had never informed the school of the peanut allergy. She then had her son taken away for 'neglect' (supposedly failing to inform the school of the peanut allergy), and shortly thereafter had her other two children taken away, on the grounds that if she was 'neglecting' one son, then she must be 'neglecting' her other two children as well. One of the children was then put in the custody of his natural father, who had actually been convicted of molesting him years ago. The judge said that he 'couldn't consider' the fact that the father had molested his own son, when giving him custody of the boy.
So, there you have it. Public school teachers trump EVERYTHING. This includes women, drug addicts, gays, blacks, or anything else. Letting a public school teacher weasel out of a mistake she made justifies anything, including returning a son back to the custody of a father that molested him.
Vashine wrote: " If its kids she or you want, knock her up. But, again, why get married if you're not a believer?"
First of all, don't have kids unless she AND you want them. But if you do have them, it's best that you get married even if you're not religious. First, it's better for the kids--and if you don't want what's best for them, why are you having them? Second, as I said above, it might (not definitely will, but might) give you a bit more legal leverage if their mother ever wants to leave and take them completely away from you.
I'm curious: is it just marriage that men are on strike against, or fatherhood as well? As marriage rates decline, is there a corresponding increase in cohabitation with children?
Vashine,
At some point I do want a child or two, and I do believe that marriage provides the best stability for this, even though I am not religious. I will say that if I knew that I never wanted children I would absolutely not be getting married. This is part of the equation.
Numbers,
Personally, I wouldn't go either route nowadays.
I love my kids and am fighting tooth and nail (and tens of thousands of dollars) just to remain in their lives.
I can't imagine my life without them.
But I can't understand why any guy loads a revolver with three bullets, spins the chamber, and decides to get married. Oh, is someone saying divorce isn't quite a fifty/fifty prospect? Fine, take one bullet out.
I've watched five marriages end in the last few years to close relatives and close friends. The irony is that the guy who married a lesbian had the most amicable divorce and stayed married until the children were born. One guy's wife left (severe mental issues, hasn't been able to talk to his kids, but she doesn't seek money). One guy's wife deserted the family entirely. My marriage ended.
The last guy had a fall-down drunk wife. Went into rehab during the custody evaluation. Got out and promptly crashed her car in a single-car DUI accident. Judge's ruling? If she can keep it together for six months, she gets joint custody. She doesn't work (lost her job due to drinking). He does and makes good money. So, in a joint agreement, he will have to pay her to support the children while they are with her to the tune of over a thousand bucks a month (close to $1,500).
It's hard not to be cynical when you see decent men absolutely played as suckers by "empowered women getting their groove back."
It's not how well men can put up with a tough situtaion.
It's how likely women are to stay committed.
And if they have two or more red flags, you're just putting off the inevitable.
Jason,
especially since she went to a Catholic university out in the middle of nowhere and close to home.
Ever heard that Red Hot Chili Peppers song "Catholic School Girls Rule"?
Shouldn't all of you big, strong alphas be pleased with the idea of the end of civilization? After all, you'd be the ones ruling the day then, right?
High Arka, the fact that you think ruling requires the destruction of others says more about you than it does about us.
Plus, who exactly are "you big strong alphas"? I've seen very few commenters here claim that status for themselves. I certainly don't. Vox has said a number of times that he doesn't consider himself to be one.
As well, in terms of easing her mind, I'm sure she secretly wants the security of the fact that it would be much harder for me to simply up and leave one day for no particularly good reason.
And what is to keep HER from just simply up and leaving one day... or worse, inviting some guy to start screwing her in YOUR BED... and then to be subsequently rewarded for her infidelity and/or abandonment of the marriage with CASH, THE HOUSE AND OTHER PRIZES
Oh, yes... the only thing that prevents her being rewarded for stabbing you in the back is the lack of a marriage license.
As well, in terms of easing her mind, I'm sure she secretly wants the security of the fact that it would be much harder for me to simply up and leave one day for no particularly good reason.
I want a million dollars with no work, obligations or strings attached. Does that mean that you or anyone else has even the slightest reason to fulfill my ridiculous wish?
Men need to do the folowing -- make it clear that you will NOT marry a woman unless and until she and other marriage-minded women successfully overturn the frivorce laws and return the law to marraige 1.0.
Women claim they need no-fault divorce incase their husband does something horrible (becomes addicted to drugs, abandons the family, etc.). But there is NO need for no fault divorce in such a situation. NFD is needed for one thing, and one thing only -- "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I'm not haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy". Even irreconcilable differences doesn't need NFD -- if both parties agree to the divorce, then no fault needs to be proven.
Neglect and abuse can always be proven.
Just because you don't see "traditional" women fighting "tooth and nail" doesn't mean that they aren't fighting. You can't expect a feminine, submissive women to fight the fight like a dominant, masculine man.
That's no excuse, absolutely none at all.
Feminine women know how to fight other women... AND WIN ON STYLE as well as everything else.
The actuarial tables are what they are. First marriage 45% divorce rate, decision to separate made by the woman 80%.of the time.
Second marriage 60% divorce rate, Third marriage 90% divorce rate.
Men still want to get married but Feminist indoctrinated woman have no motivation to stay married. They all want a wedding but not the grinding work of a committed marriage.
There is however an alternative.
Russian mail order bride, first time marriage, 20% divorce rate.
Alkulkis wrote:**And what is to keep HER from just simply up and leaving one day... or worse, inviting some guy to start screwing her in YOUR BED... and then to be subsequently rewarded for her infidelity and/or abandonment of the marriage with CASH, THE HOUSE AND OTHER PRIZES**
... I have the opposite problem. I've been seeing my sweetie for about 2 1/2 years now. After I knew him for about a year, I found out his family has a lot of money. I actually wish I didn't know that, it makes my brain confused. If I ever did marry him someday I would want to marry him because I love him for himself, not because of how much money his family might have.
Likelihood is men adopt Black way of family formation. Single mothers, multiple fathers for kids, zero paternal investment. Spread your seed stuff. Incentives are all present.
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May be someone out there knows what i am talking about and know how its like to be invisible mostly by the one person you are in love with. I was in love an unhappy married man.His marriage was going to limbo and i was the only one there for him. He only saw me as a friend but he was more than that to me. I wish i had the heart to tell him before the went ahead and got married then, may be he would never had be unhappy and may be we both would have been together. Yeah it turned out i was too much or a chicken. Though we are together now literally because of the spell Metodo Acamu a very powerful spell caster i must say helped me cast to make him love me just as i loved him. A lot of people may have different opinion as to if what is did is wrong or right but really, it do not matter because he was in pain and his life was falling to pieces and i was his friend who was in love with him. I knew he was going to be happy with me and he is now. For the first time in three years i have he really happy i mean he tells me every time how free he feels . We are perfect together and i know we are always going to be like this. This would not be the case if not for the spell Metodo Acamu helped me cast. All that was required of me were just the materials that was going to be used to prepare the spell and note Metodo Acamu does not do spells for money i wish i knew why but i do not. He told me that i should get the materials needed for the spell preparing he told me to get them myself and if i can't find the materials all i had to do was send the total cost for it so he can help me. It wasn't easy to get them but i found them but it took a lot form me i would advice against getting them yourself because there are not only hard to but also difficult to mail believe me. I am only writing this short article for those out there with problems similar to the one i had. If you want to contact him use this email its what i used metodoacamufortressx@(yahoo). com rewrite this email in the usual email standard form for use
As at this the month last year my life was a mess i lost everything my wife, my job, my house and even my kids it was really bad that i had to go live with my father. First, i lost my job as a result of covering the bad things my best friend committed and there after everything fell to pieces. My family fell apart i fought with my wife always over every little thing i remember we fought over the fact that my credit card was declined a the shopping mall she was well aware of our situation, that is how i lost my job and all that. I think what made her most mad at me, was that i lost my job because i was protecting my friend. Then i started defaulting on my mortgage payment i could not pay up, i could not pay my bills every responsibility in my house was on my wife. She could not do it all alone she need me to be the man of the house and i failed her and my kids. I was ashamed to call myself a man. Then the worst happened, the bank took my house and my family were thrown out. Once again my wife just felt disappointed in me she could no longer take it she had leave me took with her our kids. I became a confused man with nothing to live for. I started drinking and smoking heavily to top it all i had to move in with my father. I had to listen to him all the time telling me how disappointed he was at me. It was like i was blacklisted by every company here in the United State no one wanted to heir me even with my experience and how good i was with what i do it was impossible for me to get a job i had to do odd job to fund myself and move around town. My wife would not even let see my kids she did not want me around them. She thought i was a bad influence on them. But i was given a reason to keep living by a spell caster named Obudun Magonata. He help me get a new job in my own field and helped me get my wife back. I must be honest here i was never a fan or believer of all this kind things that has to do with charms and spell i always thought they were sham. Obudun Magonata showed me the other side of spells the good side of it. I will count myself lucky to have found him and get this ironically, i found his address on the internet by chance. I was not even going through anything related to spell i was looking for jobs and then stumbled on a couple of comment about him and how he help people. I only called him when all my options failed he was my last card and he just clicked. Obudun Magonata cast a Good Luck spell for me and also a Love Spell to get my wife back. Honestly i gave him money to help me get the materials for the spell which he did. He did not ask i pay him for the service rendered. He told me his spell casting gift was free hence he help people for free. He also told me after i get my new job in two months i will be promoted to executive manager and it all happen all what he told me happen. He told me he was going to make my wife come back even when see started seeing another man and that this time she was going to be mine forever through any crisis. My family has never been this happy since Obudun Magonata help me repair my life with his wonderful spell. If any of you reading this want anything in this world that seems impossible to get, i will tell you to contact Obudun Magonata with this email spiritsofobudunmagonata@yahoo.com i think and i know he is the quickest road that leads to where you find happiness and all the best things in life.
We all have different reasons why those of us who contacted Obudun Magonata to help us make our faithful to us some of us did it for lover, because of their children or health condition or even because they wanted not to be alone. For me it was non of those though i love my husband and don't want to raise our teens alone . The reason why i contacted Obudun Magonata to help me with a spell truly was because my husband was running for one of the seats in the Riksdag,the national legislative body of Sweden. Now i am not going to say if he won or under what party for security reasons i did not ask for a spell to make him win or something NO i just asked for a spell to make him stop being a chronic Womanizer it was going to affect his campaign. I have lived with him for 20 years and after countless occasions of catching him cheating on me i have come to live with him like that though it hurts to death. I wish i knew all along all those years about Obudun the Great spell caster maybe my life would not have been this way. Like i was saying, His womanizing behavior got him into a lot of trouble and if any of those stories where to hit the press it would have destroyed his life and this political career and probably landed him in jail. With all the advise from me and his advisories of his campaigning team it was still not enough to bring him to caution. I went to the extreme to make sure he stops willingly or unwillingly that is i meant with some of his lover and asked to pay them off but they were not ready to let go it. I think he offered them something more that money that even with the amount i offered them, they all refused and believe me it was very surprising and they will turn down a large amount of money. We my husband got to know about it he mad mad at me and gave all sort of threats. I was confused and his opposition were digging to find dirt on him and still was so convinced that they will not find anything but they did only with no evidence that was how lucky we were. Right then i took matters in my hand and contacted Obudun Magonata with the email address i saw on the internet i contacted him and told him what i want him to do for me to make my husband be faithful to me till our dying day and make all those people looking for how to bring down my husband stop. OK note my husband is a very honest man who would not hurt a fly he was just careless and always picked the wrong kinds of woman that get him in trouble. Obudun Magonata asked that i provide 4 kind of item me being so careful employed expert to help me get those materials mailed them over to him. I sent a total some of 3000 dollars when converting from Swedish Krona to American dollars. And it much much cheaper if i had asked him to get them for me. But whats done is done. Just after four day sent me a package, not telling its content but is totally harmless and told me how to make the spell effective. I did as he told me and in two my husband somehow magically broke tires with all the women he was involved with i don't know how it happen and those people trying to kill his political ambition stopped immediately. I wish i knew this Great man all along my life would have been perfect. His campaign team did not understand how i did it and what i did they were just happy all the worse is past. What wow me the most about Obudun Magonata was that the told me the out come of the election before the election date last years because all this happened last year and just what he said will happen really came to pass. And again i can't give full info because of security reasons. I little advise for those that are going to contact him via this email spiritsofobudunmagonata@yahoo.com if you are asked for material to do the spell don't go about it yourself Because you will waste a lot time and money on it and get to see asking him to get them for you with the total cost you wire to him will save you a lot. You have nothing be be afraid you can trust him with anything Because all he does is help people no matter how hard it may be.
Need a spell caster?then think of Dr Otis Darko he is real reliable and he does what he promise you.I know all this because he helped with my marriage problem.For security reason i will not live my name here but i can tell you all he did to help me.Me and my family live in the US military base here in America,my wife is a solider and i love it that she is and i support.But being a solider means she is half my wife and fully the U.S army.before her three tour we were so in love and we had a kid son who we both love him.It all changed after her two tour in Iraq and Afghanistan,i noticed the distance her second tour she stopped call at first i thought maybe she was part of an accident but i found out that she was OK in Afghanistan.She explained that she always on patrol.It got ugly on the third. I guess in the last two tours she found herself a new lover and then totally forgetting me and our boy.I can not say i did not notice because she always has to be some where instead of with me,coming up with some silly excuse not to be with me that is ( have sex ) and her entire behavior told me all i needed to know. i did my research and i had a hint that it was her squad lieutenant. I had know evidence so a could not take the matter to any body.It killed me to seeing this happen i was going suicidal.What hurt me the most was she going home knowing that i suspect she infidelity,she kept lying to me over and over again.The power of positive thinking helped me a lot.I thought that maybe i can find in the help on the internet with the people who had being in the same problem with him.I found a lot of ways but nor worked except Dr Otis Darko spell.At that time five month ago i was so confused that i could do anything to get my wife back so i contacted Dr Otis Darko with his email address i saw in some comment on the internet at otisdarko60@yahoo.com. I laid down my problem to him and told him the entire story and he even confirmed my hint was right, how he did i do not know but he was right because my wife told me later after the spell was made effective. Dr Otis Darko cast a spell on them both do not know what he did but it seem he made them both forget they ever crossed path romantically speaking like they never know each other expect there official relationship that is squad leader and solider.I owe my life to DR OTIS DARKO what he did saved my marriage.I can tell you this because i have tried and it worked for me.Your case also have a solution with Dr Otis Darko contact him with his email otisdarko60@yahoo.com.................... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
My Name is AZIBA OLUBOISE. I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when i contact this man called otisdarko60@yahoo.com Execute some business..He is really powerful..My wife divorce me with no reason for almost 4 years and i tried all i could to have her back cos i really love her so much but all my effort did not work out.. we met at our early age at the college and we both have feelings for each other and we got married happily for 5 years with no kid and she woke up one morning and she told me she’s going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when she came back from work she tender to me a divorce letter and she packed all her loads from my house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have her back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 4 years…So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for her full name and her picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i gave it a try cos have tried so many spell casters and there is no solution…so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that she’s with a man and that man is the reason why she left me…The spell caster said he will help me with a spell that will surely bring her back.but i never believe all this…he told me i will see a positive result within 3 days..3 days later,she called me herself and came to me apologizing I NEVER BELIEVED IN LOVE SPELLS UNTIL I MET THIS WORLD'S TOP SPELL CASTER. HE IS REALLY POWERFUL AND COULD HELP CAST SPELLS TO BRING BACK ONE'S GONE,LOST,MISBEHAVING LOVER AND MAGIC MONEY SPELL OR SPELL FOR A GOOD JOB.I'M NOW HAPPY & A LIVING TESTIMONY COS THE WOMAN I HAD WANTED TO MARRY LEFT ME 2 WEEKS BEFORE OUR WEDDING AND MY LIFE WAS UPSIDE DOWN COS OUR RELATIONSHIP HAS BEEN ON FOR 2YEARS... I REALLY LOVED HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER WAS AGAINST US AND HE HAD NO GOOD PAYING JOB. SO WHEN I MET THIS SPELL CASTER, I TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLAINED THE SITUATION OF THINGS TO HIM..AT FIRST I WAS UNDECIDED,SKEPTICAL AND DOUBTFUL, BUT I JUST GAVE IT A TRY. AND IN 7 DAYS WHEN I RETURNED TO USA, MY GIRLFRIEND(NOW WIFE) CALLED ME BY HERSELF AND CAME TO ME APOLOGIZING THAT EVERYTHING HAD BEEN SETTLED WITH HIS MOM AND FAMILY AND SHE GOT A NEW JOB INTERVIEW SO WE SHOULD GET MARRIED..I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT COS THE SPELL CASTER ONLY ASKED FOR MY NAME AND MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND ALL I WANTED HIM TO DO... WELL WE ARE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW AND WE ARE EXPECTING OUR LITTLE KID,AND MY WIFE ALSO GOT THE NEW JOB AND OUR LIVES BECAME MUCH BETTER. IN CASE ANYONE NEEDS THE SPELL CASTER FOR SOME HELP, HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS; otisdarko60@yahoo.com ......HOPE HE HELPS YOU OUT OUR OPPORTUNITY ... CONTACT THIS GREAT SPELL CASTER VIA EMAIL: otisdarko60@yahoo.com.
My Name is Alan Pratte, From TEXAS,USA. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr OTIS DARKO has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex husband to me with his great spell, I was married to this man called Steven we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 2 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email: otisdarko60@yahoo.com then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost husband back, and after a month I miss my month and go for a test and the result stated am pregnant am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great DR OTIS DARKOfor what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below:
1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) You want to be promoted in your office.
(4) You want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) You want to be rich.
(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10)Stop Divorce
(11) CURE TO ALL KIND OF SICKNESS/DISEASES HERE
Email... otisdarko60@yahoo.com...... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
When i met my husband then it crystal clear to me that he was the man of my dream. When i looked at him, i saw perfection. He was tall, respectful, looked at me like i was the only one on earth i mean words cannot describe that moment that is the day we met. It lives on here in my head. I know i was not blind and i know there was nothing really to make me suspect he also like the company of men as well as women. Yes i mean we were sexually active just like every other normal couple who are in love. It never seem like he was avoiding me when i want to have sex like he always comes up with excuse no he was just like every other man. I only got to know when i was two years into our marriage. The first year was healthy for us i mean we were happy and had our first child. It was my sister who caught him passionately kissing another man in his car after spending all night together in the movie theater. He told me he was going out with friends for a drink or two. I was hurt because he was not honest with me and also was cheating on me. Even before i knew, this thing he had going on started before we got married at least he was honest about that. Hadn't been my sister, i would have been locked in the dark. I have nothing against same sex relationship but when you claim to love a woman and also want to be with a man it becomes a problem i mean you are either with one or the other. You can't be married to me and expect me to shear you with another be it a woman or a man. We promise we will stay together just us and not us with some one else. I gave him an ultimatum it was either me or his male love i was hoping his love for me will make him pick me but no he ended our marriage simply before he could not pick. H wanted it all i wished i never made him choose then. I was in a traumatized i could not understand how he could be so selfish i mean we have a son together you don't just walk out like that. I remember i even asked him to go ahead with relationship with his lover as long as he was here with me but then i realized i would be at the losing end in all ways. I was so much in love with him letting him go was not an option for me i mean i knew that if it wasn't him it was going to me no other. After months of trying and searching with no success to find a way to make him see i am more important than his lover i came across a lot of comments on the internet of how a spell caster Otis Darko and how he has help a lot of individual with relationship and life problems. I was skeptical about it but i thought giving it a try would not kill me. What can i say, my experience with Otis Darko was real, honest i mean everything that was said about him was nothing but all true. I shared my problem with him that is how my husband ended our marriage because i was not OK with him have a male lover even when we were married and what i needed him to do for me. All i had to get was the materials needed to caster the spell that was going to get me my husband. I could only find one of the spell materials but he help me get the rest with the total estimated cost i sent to him for help. I don't know how to explain what happen just after the spell process was concluded and made effective with the parcel he sent to me. I was like a fairy tale i mean i got my love back my family was whole again. My husband picked me he choose to be with me. It been more than six months now all i can see is a man loves and dedicate his self to me he goes every where with me aside work though yeah. Contact him here at otisdarko60@yahoo.com hope you all with similar problem get all help from Otis Darko also..... HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS : otisdarko60@yahoo.com
When i met my husband then it crystal clear to me that he was the man of my dream. When i looked at him, i saw perfection. He was tall, respectful, looked at me like i was the only one on earth i mean words cannot describe that moment that is the day we met. It lives on here in my head. I know i was not blind and i know there was nothing really to make me suspect he also like the company of men as well as women. Yes i mean we were sexually active just like every other normal couple who are in love. It never seem like he was avoiding me when i want to have sex like he always comes up with excuse no he was just like every other man. I only got to know when i was two years into our marriage. The first year was healthy for us i mean we were happy and had our first child. It was my sister who caught him passionately kissing another man in his car after spending all night together in the movie theater. He told me he was going out with friends for a drink or two. I was hurt because he was not honest with me and also was cheating on me. Even before i knew, this thing he had going on started before we got married at least he was honest about that. Hadn't been my sister, i would have been locked in the dark. I have nothing against same sex relationship but when you claim to love a woman and also want to be with a man it becomes a problem i mean you are either with one or the other. You can't be married to me and expect me to shear you with another be it a woman or a man. We promise we will stay together just us and not us with some one else. I gave him an ultimatum it was either me or his male love i was hoping his love for me will make him pick me but no he ended our marriage simply before he could not pick. H wanted it all i wished i never made him choose then. I was in a traumatized i could not understand how he could be so selfish i mean we have a son together you don't just walk out like that. I remember i even asked him to go ahead with relationship with his lover as long as he was here with me but then i realized i would be at the losing end in all ways. I was so much in love with him letting him go was not an option for me i mean i knew that if it wasn't him it was going to me no other. After months of trying and searching with no success to find a way to make him see i am more important than his lover i came across a lot of comments on the internet of how a spell caster Otis Darko and how he has help a lot of individual with relationship and life problems. I was skeptical about it but i thought giving it a try would not kill me. What can i say, my experience with Otis Darko was real, honest i mean everything that was said about him was nothing but all true. I shared my problem with him that is how my husband ended our marriage because i was not OK with him have a male lover even when we were married and what i needed him to do for me. All i had to get was the materials needed to caster the spell that was going to get me my husband. I could only find one of the spell materials but he help me get the rest with the total estimated cost i sent to him for help. I don't know how to explain what happen just after the spell process was concluded and made effective with the parcel he sent to me. I was like a fairy tale i mean i got my love back my family was whole again. My husband picked me he choose to be with me. It been more than six months now all i can see is a man loves and dedicate his self to me he goes every where with me aside work though yeah. Contact him here at otisdarko60@yahoo.com hope you all with similar problem get all help from Otis Darko also..... HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS : otisdarko60@yahoo.com
I am another individual that Akpe Osilama awesome has reached. A lot of us have desired love, wealth, luck and all but it always a step too far to reach or the chance never come our way and then it all became a dream nothing more that just a dream. Akpe Osilama the greatest enchanter i have ever known because he is the only one i know helped transform my dream into reality he helped me with an enchantment that made the one that i love find his love for me after wait forever in love with him. The full details about how this man helped me on various sites that dont require short detail. Get help from him be sending email to /// chiefpriestakpeosilamaspellcast@yahoo.com
My Name is Alan Pratte, From USA. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr OTIS DARKO has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex WIFE to me with his great spell, I was married to this woman called Sharon we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to make her pregnant for me and also give her al she needs she left me and told me she can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get her back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email: otisdarko60@yahoo.com then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost WIFE back, and after a month she became pregnant for me because he gave me some herbs to take also and when she went for a test and the result stated that she was pregnant am happy today am a FATHER of a baby girl, thank you once again the great DR OTIS DARKO for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below:
1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) You want to be promoted in your office.
(4) You want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) You want to be rich.
(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10)Stop Divorce
(11) CURE TO ALL KIND OF SICKNESS/DISEASES HERE
(12) Winning of lottery
(13) Cure To Hiv/Aids
(14) LOTTERY/LOTTO SPELL WINNING
Email... otisdarko60@yahoo.com...... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
I am just another person that as i would say, the ' GREAT SPELL CASTER OTIS DARKO ' has helped word can not describe all he did for me i would rather you all that would read this were all in my life when all what he did for me materialized because only then will you really believe what i am talking about. I was not born with a royal blood and i do not even come from a decent family by decent i mean a family with wealth and all that and it was more than normal that my relationship with a royal blood will cause a lot of feud in both my home and that of my fiance. Yes he from a royal family but i will not mentions anything else in other to avoid scandal. We meant on a faithful Sunday in church and just like that he swept me off my feet i knew he was the prince but that was not while i fell for him it was more like i fell for him because he seem calm and always at else with everything it was like he did not even see himself as a prince. May be you may think its because it was not next in line but when i got to really know him, i saw that he was just an unembellished person that wanted to live his life in peace. It all start with us being friend and then on every night of Christmas 2004 that he spent at my house he kissed me and believe me in my mind i was Cinderella. It was like my heart was going to burst in flame i never knew i had all those feelings locked away in my heart but he broke the chain that was holding it back with just one kiss. Even when he wanted to be with me he family was again it and it was always like i was the root of what ever problem he was going through with his family. I thought to myself, i can not be the one to take the peace he had i felt he was better and at else without me. We where always of and on and all the while he waited for me with the biggest of hope that i will come back. I knew he was madly in love with me as i was in love with him but being with him was a problem as much as not being with him. His family won't let him be with with me. They opposed our relationship for nine years we where in love but unhappy our relationship was going no where with all the feud. I could no longer be the one an entire family hate and the same time be in love with a guy that his family did not want me. I some how some way got to know about OTIS DARKO a spell cast a great one at that. All i want was to be with my now fiance forever and to be loved and cared for by his family just as it suppose to be. I asked him to help me make my heart desires materialize because i saw a lot of testimonies on the internet about him and the number of people he helped everybody and every blog and forum had his name and his work. I needed to be one of the people he helped. After a lot of conversation he agreed to help me and asked that i get some materials he listed for me. I could get them but i would have made too many people ask question and it needed to be done in a very low profile so i wired the total cost to him so that he can get the materials i needed for the spell and there by avoid exposing myself over what should have be done in secret until the spell process was completed. Yes OTIS DARKO helped me with he spell and he send me a package containing what i can not disclose all i can say is that it was the result of the spell he helped me cast and he gave instruction on how i would use it to make the spell effective. I did all he asked of me and just like he promise me at the beginning, the spell made my fiance entire family love respect and treat me like their own child. To me i would say that OTIS DARKO was my fairy godmother because maybe right now my life would have be miserable basically because i would have had to let go of the love of my life because no one or more like his family would not approve our union. Contact OTIS DARKO because you will only be helping yourself and yourself only use this email as contact otisdarko60@yahoo.com
Midred Jackson Says
Am giving this testimony cos am happy
My name is Midred Jackson from Michigan I never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once. when i went to Africa in June 28th 2015 this year on a business summit. i ment a man called DR OTIS DARKO. He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back my love’s gone,misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 2 years… i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him..at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. and in 6 days when i returned to taxes, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..i didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address: otisdarko60@yahoo.com
GREAT OTIS DARKO I thank you very much thank you in 1000000 times.. if not you I would have been losted and wasted thank you. Email Him Through his email address... otisdarko60@yahoo.com
please make sure you contact him for any financial difficulties okay..
What a powerful man such as DR OTIS DARKO.. he is so much powerful..\\ email him for any difficulties.. otisdarko60@yahoo.com................... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
My Name is Alan Pratte, From USA. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr OTIS DARKO has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex WIFE to me with his great spell, I was married to this woman called Sharon we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to make her pregnant for me and also give her al she needs she left me and told me she can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get her back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email: otisdarko60@yahoo.com then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost WIFE back, and after a month she became pregnant for me because he gave me some herbs to take also and when she went for a test and the result stated that she was pregnant am happy today am a FATHER of a baby girl, thank you once again the great DR OTIS DARKO for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below:
1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) You want to be promoted in your office.
(4) You want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) You want to be rich.
(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10)Stop Divorce
(11) CURE TO ALL KIND OF SICKNESS/DISEASES HERE
(12) Winning of lottery
(13) Cure To Hiv/Aids
(14) LOTTERY/LOTTO SPELL WINNING
Email... otisdarko60@yahoo.com...... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
Need a spell caster?then think of Dr Otis Darko he is real reliable and he does what he promise you.I know all this because he helped with my marriage problem.For security reason i will not live my name here but i can tell you all he did to help me.Me and my family live in the US military base here in America,my wife is a solider and i love it that she is and i support.But being a solider means she is half my wife and fully the U.S army.before her three tour we were so in love and we had a kid son who we both love him.It all changed after her two tour in Iraq and Afghanistan,i noticed the distance her second tour she stopped call at first i thought maybe she was part of an accident but i found out that she was OK in Afghanistan.She explained that she always on patrol.It got ugly on the third. I guess in the last two tours she found herself a new lover and then totally forgetting me and our boy.I can not say i did not notice because she always has to be some where instead of with me,coming up with some silly excuse not to be with me that is ( have sex ) and her entire behavior told me all i needed to know. i did my research and i had a hint that it was her squad lieutenant. I had know evidence so a could not take the matter to any body.It killed me to seeing this happen i was going suicidal.What hurt me the most was she going home knowing that i suspect she infidelity,she kept lying to me over and over again.The power of positive thinking helped me a lot.I thought that maybe i can find in the help on the internet with the people who had being in the same problem with him.I found a lot of ways but nor worked except Dr Otis Darko spell.At that time five month ago i was so confused that i could do anything to get my wife back so i contacted Dr Otis Darko with his email address i saw in some comment on the internet at otisdarko60@yahoo.com. I laid down my problem to him and told him the entire story and he even confirmed my hint was right, how he did i do not know but he was right because my wife told me later after the spell was made effective. Dr Otis Darko cast a spell on them both do not know what he did but it seem he made them both forget they ever crossed path romantically speaking like they never know each other expect there official relationship that is squad leader and solider.I owe my life to DR OTIS DARKO what he did saved my marriage.I can tell you this because i have tried and it worked for me.Your case also have a solution with Dr Otis Darko contact him with his email otisdarko60@yahoo.com.................... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE WORLD:
Hello and blessed are you who found me. My name is DR OTIS DARKO ( otisdarko60@yahoo.com ), and am here to help you change and transform your life in the most positive way possible. I use the power of white, black craft and Wicca and voodoo spell casting to help people just like you they get the love they want and the money they deserve.
My love spell offer amazing and quick results. Do you want to find your soulmate? Do you want to reunite with a past lover and make him or her love you again? Do you need to bind a troublemaker from causing problems in your relationship? With my spell casting service, I can cast a love spell on your behalf that will help all of your wishes and dreams come true. I also do other custom spells, such as money spells, job spells, friendship spells, and good luck spells.
You may have already tried the power of spells and prayers to get what you want. Although it is true that everyone has the ability to cast spells and perform magic, spell casting is like a muscle. Everyone has this 'muscle' but the more you use it, the stronger it gets, and the more things you are able to do with it. If you are not an experienced spell caster, your spell may not be as strong, and the results not as quick as you may desire. GET YOUR PROBLEMS SOLVE HERE AND BE FREE!!
Hello to people that want to be Great,
Note: This Spell casting do not have any effect on any one, But just to get your problem solve ok.
Get your problem solve in master...You can get the bellow problems solve here.
1. Bring back lost lover, even if lost for a long
time
2. Remove bad spells from homes, business
& customer attraction etc.
3. Get promotion you have desired for a long time at work or in your career.
4. Remove the black pot that keeps on taking your money away
5. Find out why you are not progressing in life and the solution
6. Eliminate in family fights
7. Ensure excellent school grades even for children with mental disabilities
8. Stop your marriage or relationship from
breaking apart
9. I destroy and can send back the Nikolos if requested
10. We heal barrenness in women and disturbing menstruation
11. Get you marriage to the lover of your choice
12. Guarantee you win the troubling court cases & divorce no matter how what stage
13. Ensure success in work and business
14. Mental illness & bewitched
15. Can’t sleep at night or walking at night
16. Recover stolen property and
whereabouts of people that hurt you.
17. Bring supernatural luck into your home
18. Extreme protection for those doing dangerous jobs like security guards, Bank manager, cash transporters, etc
I have over 20 years of spell casting experience, and i have successfully cast spells to help hundreds of people improve their love life, financial situation, and happiness.
I can help you, and I want to help you. Read through my words and CONTACT ME VIA: otisdarko60@yahoo.com AS MY POWERS ARE SO STRONG AND VERY EFFECTIVE AND HAS NO BAD EFFECT INSTEAD IT HAVE A VERY GOOD RESULT AFTER CASTING THE SPELL. CONTACT HIM AGAIN ON HIS EMAIL ADDRESS: otisdarko60@yahoo.com
I am just another person that as i would say, the ' GREAT SPELL CASTER OTIS DARKO ' has helped word can not describe all he did for me i would rather you all that would read this were all in my life when all what he did for me materialized because only then will you really believe what i am talking about. I was not born with a royal blood and i do not even come from a decent family by decent i mean a family with wealth and all that and it was more than normal that my relationship with a royal blood will cause a lot of feud in both my home and that of my fiance. Yes he from a royal family but i will not mentions anything else in other to avoid scandal. We meant on a faithful Sunday in church and just like that he swept me off my feet i knew he was the prince but that was not while i fell for him it was more like i fell for him because he seem calm and always at else with everything it was like he did not even see himself as a prince. May be you may think its because it was not next in line but when i got to really know him, i saw that he was just an unembellished person that wanted to live his life in peace. It all start with us being friend and then on every night of Christmas 2004 that he spent at my house he kissed me and believe me in my mind i was Cinderella. It was like my heart was going to burst in flame i never knew i had all those feelings locked away in my heart but he broke the chain that was holding it back with just one kiss. Even when he wanted to be with me he family was again it and it was always like i was the root of what ever problem he was going through with his family. I thought to myself, i can not be the one to take the peace he had i felt he was better and at else without me. We where always of and on and all the while he waited for me with the biggest of hope that i will come back. I knew he was madly in love with me as i was in love with him but being with him was a problem as much as not being with him. His family won't let him be with with me. They opposed our relationship for nine years we where in love but unhappy our relationship was going no where with all the feud. I could no longer be the one an entire family hate and the same time be in love with a guy that his family did not want me. I some how some way got to know about OTIS DARKO a spell cast a great one at that. All i want was to be with my now fiance forever and to be loved and cared for by his family just as it suppose to be. I asked him to help me make my heart desires materialize because i saw a lot of testimonies on the internet about him and the number of people he helped everybody and every blog and forum had his name and his work. I needed to be one of the people he helped. After a lot of conversation he agreed to help me and asked that i get some materials he listed for me. I could get them but i would have made too many people ask question and it needed to be done in a very low profile so i wired the total cost to him so that he can get the materials i needed for the spell and there by avoid exposing myself over what should have be done in secret until the spell process was completed. Yes OTIS DARKO helped me with he spell and he send me a package containing what i can not disclose all i can say is that it was the result of the spell he helped me cast and he gave instruction on how i would use it to make the spell effective. I did all he asked of me and just like he promise me at the beginning, the spell made my fiance entire family love respect and treat me like their own child. To me i would say that OTIS DARKO was my fairy godmother because maybe right now my life would have be miserable basically because i would have had to let go of the love of my life because no one or more like his family would not approve our union. Contact OTIS DARKO because you will only be helping yourself and yourself only use this email as contact otisdarko60@yahoo.com
When i met my husband then it crystal clear to me that he was the man of my dream. When i looked at him, i saw perfection. He was tall, respectful, looked at me like i was the only one on earth i mean words cannot describe that moment that is the day we met. It lives on here in my head. I know i was not blind and i know there was nothing really to make me suspect he also like the company of men as well as women. Yes i mean we were sexually active just like every other normal couple who are in love. It never seem like he was avoiding me when i want to have sex like he always comes up with excuse no he was just like every other man. I only got to know when i was two years into our marriage. The first year was healthy for us i mean we were happy and had our first child. It was my sister who caught him passionately kissing another man in his car after spending all night together in the movie theater. He told me he was going out with friends for a drink or two. I was hurt because he was not honest with me and also was cheating on me. Even before i knew, this thing he had going on started before we got married at least he was honest about that. Hadn't been my sister, i would have been locked in the dark. I have nothing against same sex relationship but when you claim to love a woman and also want to be with a man it becomes a problem i mean you are either with one or the other. You can't be married to me and expect me to shear you with another be it a woman or a man. We promise we will stay together just us and not us with some one else. I gave him an ultimatum it was either me or his male love i was hoping his love for me will make him pick me but no he ended our marriage simply before he could not pick. H wanted it all i wished i never made him choose then. I was in a traumatized i could not understand how he could be so selfish i mean we have a son together you don't just walk out like that. I remember i even asked him to go ahead with relationship with his lover as long as he was here with me but then i realized i would be at the losing end in all ways. I was so much in love with him letting him go was not an option for me i mean i knew that if it wasn't him it was going to me no other. After months of trying and searching with no success to find a way to make him see i am more important than his lover i came across a lot of comments on the internet of how a spell caster Otis Darko and how he has help a lot of individual with relationship and life problems. I was skeptical about it but i thought giving it a try would not kill me. What can i say, my experience with Otis Darko was real, honest i mean everything that was said about him was nothing but all true. I shared my problem with him that is how my husband ended our marriage because i was not OK with him have a male lover even when we were married and what i needed him to do for me. All i had to get was the materials needed to caster the spell that was going to get me my husband. I could only find one of the spell materials but he help me get the rest with the total estimated cost i sent to him for help. I don't know how to explain what happen just after the spell process was concluded and made effective with the parcel he sent to me. I was like a fairy tale i mean i got my love back my family was whole again. My husband picked me he choose to be with me. It been more than six months now all i can see is a man loves and dedicate his self to me he goes every where with me aside work though yeah. Contact him here at otisdarko60@yahoo.com hope you all with similar problem get all help from Otis Darko also..... HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS : otisdarko60@yahoo.com
Hello My Good People,
American is changing for the best i can say this because the gay community just literally got liberated i mean we can officially get married and be part of the the American society. When i heard the news i was filled with joy i mean me and my fiance the man i have always can finally own our marriage certificate in Georgia.It was not always right for us if you know what i mean. Before we got married in California ,he was not in love with me or i would say he was in love with me and lost for another guy and it was frustrating.We were off and on and mostly times our break up was always bad it always ends with huge fight. I loved him and wanted to be all his for the rest of my life but he did not see that he wanted to have me to himself and still see other guy i mean who does that? He was the queen of heart breaker and also was perfect when he wants to mend the heart. This was why i also went back to him no matter what always led to our ugly break up. But this madness just kept going on over and over with us and like i said i was sick of it. You can’t hurt me over and over again and still come back to me i mean i am not a play thing you use and drop when you tired. Judge me if you will it not like i care because all my life people have always said trash about me but if i had paid their attentions i would not have been this happy. After searching for means to make him commit to me even taking him with me to couple counseling i decide i contact a spell caster called Otis Darko it was just an arbitrary choice i mean, i told myself if he can’t help me i will move on with my life maybe the one i clam to be the love of my life was not the one after all. Otis Darko is an angel sent from a place i don’t know.He save me and made me he happiest man on earth or more preferable the happiest gay man on earth . I don’t know how he did it just after he help me cast a love spell, every pain that i was going through was lifted of my shoulder like magic my lover became the queen of hearts i would say he became mine and loved me like his life depended on it.When i first contacted Otis Darko, he told me to come down to his temple so i may witness the greatness of his work we got the materials we used for the spell together and just after four day i say the greatness of his power.But i spent a lot Because i had to travel all the way to Africa.It will be cheaper for me to have had him get the materials form me but i was foolish. But its amazing i still got my heart desire. He also told me that the gay community will soon be free and in just two months his prophecy has come to pass. Who wants to tell me he is not great contact i you will here you will not regret your decision use thus address otisdarko60@yahoo.com.......HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IS: otisdarko60@yahoo.com
Attention:
We all have different reasons why those of us who contacted Otis Darko to help us make our faithful to us some of us did it for lover, because of their children or health condition or even because they wanted not to be alone. For me it was non of those though i love my husband and don’t want to raise our teens alone . The reason why i contacted Otis Darko to help me with a spell truly was because my husband was running for one of the seats in the Riksdag,the national legislative body of Sweden. Now i am not going to say if he won or under what party for security reasons i did not ask for a spell to make him win or something NO i just asked for a spell to make him stop being a chronic Womanizer it was going to affect his campaign. I have lived with him for 20 years and after countless occasions of catching him cheating on me i have come to live with him like that though it hurts to death. I wish i knew all along all those years about Otis the Great spell caster maybe my life would not have been this way. Like i was saying, His womanizing behavior got him into a lot of trouble and if any of those stories where to hit the press it would have destroyed his life and this political career and probably landed him in jail. With all the advise from me and his advisories of his campaigning team it was still not enough to bring him to caution. I went to the extreme to make sure he stops willingly or unwillingly that is i meant with some of his lover and asked to pay them off but they were not ready to let go it. I think he offered them something more that money that even with the amount i offered them, they all refused and believe me it was very surprising and they will turn down a large amount of money. We my husband got to know about it he mad mad at me and gave all sort of threats. I was confused and his opposition were digging to find dirt on him and still was so convinced that they will not find anything but they did only with no evidence that was how lucky we were. Right then i took matters in my hand and contacted Otis Darko with the email address i saw on the internet i contacted him and told him what i want him to do for me to make my husband be faithful to me till our dying day and make all those people looking for how to bring down my husband stop. OK note my husband is a very honest man who would not hurt a fly he was just careless and always picked the wrong kinds of woman that get him in trouble. Otis Darko asked that i provide 4 kind of item me being so careful employed expert to help me get those materials mailed them over to him. I sent a total some of 3000 dollars when converting from Swedish Krona to American dollars. And it much much cheaper if i had asked him to get them for me. But whats done is done. Just after four day sent me a package, not telling its content but is totally harmless and told me how to make the spell effective. I did as he told me and in two my husband somehow magically broke tires with all the women he was involved with i don’t know how it happen and those people trying to kill his political ambition stopped immediately. I wish i knew this Great man all along my life would have been perfect. His campaign team did not understand how i did it and what i did they were just happy all the worse is past. What wow me the most about Otis Darko was that the told me the out come of the election before the election date last years because all this happened last year and just what he said will happen really came to pass. And again i can’t give full info because of security reasons. I little advise for those that are going to contact him via this email: otisdarko60@yahoo.com if you are asked for material to do the spell don’t go about it yourself Because you will waste a lot time and money on it and get to see asking him to get them for you with the total cost you wire to him will save you a lot. You have nothing be be afraid you can trust him with anything Because all he does is help people no matter how hard it may be.
Midred Jackson Says
Am giving this testimony cos am happy
My name is Midred Jackson from Michigan I never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once. when i went to Africa in June 28th 2015 this year on a business summit. i ment a man called DR OTIS DARKO. He is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back my love’s gone,misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you, bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job.i’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 3 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 2 years… i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job. so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him..at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. and in 6 days when i returned to taxes, my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married..i didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do… well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid,and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better. in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help, email address: otisdarko60@yahoo.com
GREAT OTIS DARKO I thank you very much thank you in 1000000 times.. if not you I would have been losted and wasted thank you. Email Him Through his email address... otisdarko60@yahoo.com
please make sure you contact him for any financial difficulties okay..
What a powerful man such as DR OTIS DARKO.. he is so much powerful..\\ email him for any difficulties.. otisdarko60@yahoo.com................... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
My Name is Alan Pratte, From USA. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public about what this man called Dr OTIS DARKO has just done for me , this man has just brought back my lost Ex WIFE to me with his great spell, I was married to this woman called Sharon we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to make her pregnant for me and also give her al she needs she left me and told me she can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get her back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email: otisdarko60@yahoo.com then you won't believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he prepared this spell cast and bring my lost WIFE back, and after a month she became pregnant for me because he gave me some herbs to take also and when she went for a test and the result stated that she was pregnant am happy today am a FATHER of a baby girl, thank you once again the great DR OTIS DARKO for what you have done for me, if you are out there passing through any of this problems listed below:
1) If you want your ex back.
(2) if you always have bad dreams.
(3) You want to be promoted in your office.
(4) You want women/men to run after you.
(5) If you want a child.
(6) You want to be rich.
(7) You want to tie your husband/wife to be
yours forever.
(8) If you need financial assistance.
(9) How you been scammed and you want to recover you lost money.
(10)Stop Divorce
(11) CURE TO ALL KIND OF SICKNESS/DISEASES HERE
(12) Winning of lottery
(13) Cure To Hiv/Aids
(14) LOTTERY/LOTTO SPELL WINNING
Email... otisdarko60@yahoo.com...... YOU CAN ALSO ADD US UP ON WHATSAPP USING THIS MOBILE NUMBER:+2348077526136
A very big problem occurred in my family 4 months ago,between me and my husband. So terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce. He said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn’t love me anymore. So he packed out of the house to where i do not know about and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all possible means to get him back. After much begging,but all to no avail / Success. And he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one afternoon when i came back from the house of my best friend that know how to advise me very well. As i was coming back from her place, I saw an old friend of mine who asked of my husband. So i also explained every thing to her just the way i did to my best friend on what happened between me and my husband. So she told me that the only way i can get my husband back is to visit a spell caster. Because it has really worked for her. As a Christian i never believed in spell casting,but during all this problem and letting the love of my life go just like that and the father to my lovely kids i had no other choice than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited to solve her own marriage issues also. At this time i was full with so much grief and confusion on how this can really be true to the extent that i have to ask my friend so many question like if this is not to harm or have an effect on my life and that of my lovely children after it has been done. But she replied with so much seriousness by telling me that there is no harm and there is no side effect on the spell casting, That is just to get back my husband for my kids and also for him to love me like never before, That the spell caster even made his friend win lottery two days back, That there is noting / problem anyone find his or herself that this great spell caster can not solve. After her explanation that there is noting that will happen to us other than to just get back my husband i requested on how i could contact this great and powerful spell caster that she is talking about. She gave his email address to me that i wrote down on a jotter and when i got home i emailed the spell caster with the following email: ajayiololo@yahoo.com after some few time that same day i received a form that i will fill and return to him. After that i was asked to get some materials that will be needed to cast this spell that if i can not provide them i will send the cost which was what i did just to see the outcome of the spell casting. And before i send the cost of the materials to him he assured me that even that same day if he get the money for the materials or the materials from my end that my lover / husband will return back in the next 4 to 5 hours time same-day after the spell has been casted with the materials he will get with the money that i will send down since i could not get the materials on my own to send to him to do the spell casting. The spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back after that process. What an amazing statement!! I never believed, So surprisingly after the 4 to 5 hours he told me i will get my husband back things changed in my life. My husband who has not call me for the past four months called me on the phone to inform me that he was coming back home to take me out. So Amazing!! So that was how he came back the next day with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship / marriage was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So i will advice you all out there to kindly send your contact to : ajayiololo@yahoo.com if you are in any problem like this or you have any problem related to “bringing your ex back, Wanting a good job in fact any problem you think you are passing through that do not have solution just send your email with complains to him and he will help you out perfectly well without disappointment.
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