Saturday, January 31, 2015

"Forced" into $120k per year

It's amazing how little agency we are informed that women possess. I mean, pity these poor young women in Germany, who are apparently constrained to accept the petty sum of $120,000 a year in return for working on their backs for a few hours each working day:
As a result, every girl starts the day €130 down. But the rewards, earnings of up to €8,000 a month, are enough to bring women flocking to the club, with marketing manager Michael Beretin telling the Channel 4 cameras that he gets up to 50 CVs a day.

'Every day, I hear someone saying to me, "can I work for you?",' he explains, while flicking through the explicit photos that accompany the emails. But some girls, he won't take on. 'If they have Romanian email addresses, I usually delete them,' he explains. 'They are working for someone.'

This is the fine line that Beretin, Rudloff and other brothel owners walk: While prostitution and brothels are legal, forced prostitution and pimping are not.

Nevertheless, an estimated 90 per cent of prostitutes in Germany have been forced into the sex trade, with many thought to have been groomed using the 'lover boy' method which sees men pretend to be in love with the girls before persuading them to sell sex.
It's a remarkable form of equality that insists a woman who sends in her resume in order to get a job paying more than six digits is, nevertheless, a victim. It's also informative to understand how eagerly young women turn to prostitution if it pays sufficiently better than more conventional employment.

A rough rule of thumb is that the average woman will start to be open to prostituting herself for about 5x her pre-tax hourly wage. The main reason most women don't is a combination of moral values, social disapproval, and insufficient sexual market value. That is why we can expect to see considerably more prostitution as both moral values and social disapproval wane.

40 comments:

MATT said...

And dont believe the hype in 20/20 specials about sugar daddy sites. Theyre complete nonsense. They are not making thousands upon thousands, typically. Girls who go through with it are regular girls who become stone cold whores after a short period and its easy to get them to do everything unprotected and for cheaper than the average prostitute, when broken down by the hour and the act. If you're appealing enough or at least not so unappealing, theyre tyypically willing to spend a few hours or the whole night for 300-400. And these are girls that rate 6-8.

Its a gammas worst nightmare. That his sweet and precious was getting screwed in every hole bareback, Rpcco Siffrrdi style, by some guy 10 years older, when she was 6 months out of high school, for a couple hundred bucks.

MATT said...

*Rocco Siffredi

Jason Roberts said...

We'll also see more calls for legalized prostitution comming from betas and gammas.

Jim said...

"with many thought to have been groomed using the 'lover boy' method which sees men pretend to be in love with the girls before persuading them to sell sex."

I love you so much that I want you to suck other guys' dicks for money. That's how much I love you meine schatz.

rondolf said...

So are you saying prostitution should be illegal? That is something with which most 'libertarians' would disagree, although those would probably be the the libertarians who believe God has no business involving Himself in our lawmaking.

Earl Thomas said...

Even if they do get paid that much...they run through it with drugs or whatever other mind altering devices to make them not remember what they are actually doing. It's not like prostitutes save that money and they will all end up mostly broke in more ways than one.

I don't know if I would go so far as to call these girls 'victims'...but they are definitely naive about what they are trading for money.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

You'd be surprised at the quality of many of the girls in the escort and 'provider' business. I suspect more young women have temporarily become 'providers' than we are led to believe.

It's not just the gsmmas and deltas who dabble in the 'hobby,' but alphas as well, particularly married ones. In fact I think it's the aggressive, masculine guys with high sex drive who serl out these girls. I know of at least a couple of big alpha bulls iin finance in Newport Beach who who regularly bang working girls on the side.

Certain hotel bars and upscale restaurants are notorioud escort hang-outs. Some bartenders at one of my regular bars were implicated in a scheme a few yesrs back to provide customers for the escorts. Ordering a certain cocktail meant you were looking for a girl for the night.

All of this is more common and normal than most people think.

As prostitution increases, we can expect the feminists to join the gammas, deltas, tradcons and Churchians in denouncing it.

Vincent Castrillo said...

"That is why we can expect to see considerably more prostitution as both moral values and social disapproval wane. "

I don't know if this is sustainable though as the price offered for these "services" will undoubtedly go down as the influx of labor goes up due to the above factors. At some point they balance out, albeit possibly with slightly more whores at a slightly lower rate. That wage is unsustainable the more whores there are.

Still this does meanthat society is just making it even easier for men to both get laid and think of women as disposable. Good times for players, even paying betas, but not so much for society.

Sex slavery is only going to become more pronounced.

Cataline Sergius said...

A rough rule of thumb is that the average woman will start to be open to prostituting herself for about 5x her pre-tax hourly wage. The main reason most women don't is a combination of moral values, social disapproval, and insufficient sexual market value...

SMV being the real limiter to this career option. It drops like a boulder for a working girl over 26. So realistically you are talking about a life time career earning potential of only a million dollars or so. Not that different from a career as a McDonalds cashier.

There is also the problem of a sales manager who takes 100% of the commission. Though in this case he is correct to do so. Hookers do not plan for the future. God knows what they would buy, if they were allowed to keep the money they earn. I don't know of any pimps that start 401Ks for their girls but I do not know of any who don't do that either. Cataline doesn't run in those circles these days.

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 said...

That is something with which most 'libertarians' would disagree

Vox is not a libertarian.

Vox said...

So are you saying prostitution should be illegal?

Why do you ask such a stupid question? Did I say prostitution should be illegal? If I didn't say it, then I am not saying it. I suggest you try simply reading what I write and stop trying to interpolate some message of your own device.

Vox is not a libertarian.

I am a libertarian. I am not a Libertarian.

spastic0plastic said...

Amusing that a few clever men pretending to be in love with women to persuade them to work is vile and evil, while women doing the same thing to millions and millions of men is entirely wholesome. Imagine employers screening male applicants to see if their wives are pressuring them into earning

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

*It's not just betas who dabble...

MATT said...

Very true, Laguna Beach Fogey. And it's worth mentioning, that unless you are a rock star etc., it's not easy to get a senior in high school to convince her hot girlfriends to have sex with you, let alone at the same time, without paying her.

HOME SCHOOL AND MARRY YOUR DAUGHTERS OFF YOUNG.

Cataline Sergius said...

That is why we can expect to see considerably more prostitution as both moral values and social disapproval wane.


How wide spread prostitution is, is a very reliable indicator of how well or how badly your culture is doing. There are lots of historical precedents supporting this view.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

it's not easy to get a senior in high school to convince her hot girlfriends to have sex with you, let alone at the same time, without paying her.

It pays to be tall, fit, well built, and hawt.

HER: "You're so hawt...!" :::shakes her head and presses her size Ds into my chest:::

ME: "Yeah. I get that a lot."

rondolf said...

"Did I say prostitution should be illegal?"

Sorry. I wonder what your opinion on the legality of prostitution is.

Vox said...

I wonder what your opinion on the legality of prostitution is.

I am pro-legality. I do not believe legislation is the appropriate tool to address moral matters in most circumstances. Social pressure is the correct one.

rondolf said...

I grew up strict fundamentalist. Every type of sex outside of marriage a going to hell type sin. The last few months have been reading your blogs and other similarly minded people. My thinking has been affected greatly. Thank you.
Sorry I assumed and called you a libertarian. I was conflating you with different people I have been reading. Not being malicious or snarky, just have a bad memory.

Earl Thomas said...

'Every type of sex outside of marriage a going to hell type sin.'

That in my mind is a bad starting point to place sex. It should start out as...sex and sexuality is a gift from God crafted for one man and one woman in holy marriage to unite them and for the ability to produce children. Anything outside of this is a sin and a grave offense against the gift God gave us. If a person doesn't seek repentance from God they are in danger of going to hell.

b1bae96e-6447-11e3-b6bb-000f20980440 said...

I am a libertarian. I am not a Libertarian.

Don't you believe that women should not be allowed a say in government?

I am pro-legality

How do you reconcile this position with the lack of agency above?

Vox said...

Don't you believe that women should not be allowed a say in government?

Yes. That is the libertarian position. I can anticipate the flaws in your thinking. First, you are incorrectly conflating democracy with liberty. Second, you are failing to grasp that libertarianism concerns maximizing liberty. This cannot be done when women are permitted a voice in government, because they favor security over liberty.

How do you reconcile this position with the lack of agency above?

I don't claim women have a lack of agency. I never have. It is the equalitarians who insist that women must be held irresponsible for their decisions and actions.

s0kr4t3s said...

"I don't claim women have a lack of agency. I never have. It is the equalitarians who insist that women must be held irresponsible for their decisions and actions. "

So what's the point of any kind of representation then, except for you and your ilk? Eventually people who don't find that the system works to their advantage will advocate for a different one. Women will want security over liberty, the poor redistribution, minorities special consideration, etc. So it boils down to libertarian tyranny. Liberty for all, ruthless repression for those who oppose it, and ultimately, liberty for the powerful, paternalism (at best) for the rest. Might as well be clear about it.

J├╝rgen Becker said...

So what's the point of any kind of representation then, except for you and your ilk?
A safeguard against government tyranny. Of what other use is any form of voting? Also, in the great scheme of things, I don't think women benefit from the stuff they vote for. Neither would children if we'd let them vote.

Conscientia Republicae said...

My kids would vote for Ice cream every meal.

Matamoros said...

Most know that the Catholic Church views prostitution and immorality as sins against God. However, every Catholic country has legal prostitution and always has had it.

Why? Because the Church has always recognized the fact that Man is sinful and there will be prostitution and sex outside religious and moral constraints. Therefore, the Church has allowed it to be legal from a practical standpoint. It is far better to have legal prostitutes to whom a man can repair to take care of his sexual urges than to try to ban it.

Banning it only means that you will have a wider spread immorality, with men having sex with other mens’ wives, sisters, daughters, etc. With it legalized there is a semi-official way of having sex without damaging the overall morality, and with Religion and social pressure maintaining overall Catholic morality.

Women are thereby shamed, and kept from being “loose” if they want a man. If they want to be a slut, they will become a prostitute. Good girls are thereby constrained, and bad girls noted as such.

It might be noted that prior to WWII most towns in the U.S. had a redlight district for much the same reasons. The governments closed them down, and morality has plummeted since that time.

Krul said...

Women will want security over liberty

AKA "tyranny"

the poor redistribution

AKA "theft"

minorities special consideration

AKA "oppression" (of those who don't get special consideration)

Liberty for all, ruthless repression for those who oppose it

Those who oppose liberty for all in practice are called "criminals" or "tyrants", depending on their level of success, hence ruthless repression is the appropriate response.

Those who only oppose it in word but not in deed are called "useful idiots" by the practitioners.

Corvinus said...

@Matamoros
I think banning prostitution is more of a Victorian/puritanical thing, where you try to deny anything so distasteful as prostitution exists, or has any right to exist. Although IIRC there was a case in medieval France where a king tried aggressively banning prostitution, but relented once it became clear that harassment of young women was going way up.

Here in the United States, of course, prostitution is banned... food for thought.

MATT said...

Criminalizing rarely if ever leads to eradication. And criminalizing liberty will only lead to trouble and wasted tax dollars. And it creates an entirely separate problem with black markets and that leads to other criminal acts which should be criminal, such as theft, muder, kidnapping and slavery.

Retrenched said...

Also, given draconian sex regulations that are redefining everything as rape, or potentially so depending on a woman's whims on any given day, prostitution may be the safest and best way for many men to get laid these days.

"You want proof of consent? Fine - here's the receipt!"

Eric said...

This is the fine line that Beretin, Rudloff and other brothel owners walk: While prostitution and brothels are legal, forced prostitution and pimping are not.

It's going to be hard to get Americans to grasp something so sensible. We live in a country where having too much cash is de facto illegal because clearly the holder is up to no good.

Earl Thomas said...

'Most know that the Catholic Church views prostitution and immorality as sins against God. However, every Catholic country has legal prostitution and always has had it.

Why? Because the Church has always recognized the fact that Man is sinful and there will be prostitution and sex outside religious and moral constraints. Therefore, the Church has allowed it to be legal from a practical standpoint. It is far better to have legal prostitutes to whom a man can repair to take care of his sexual urges than to try to ban it.'

Makes me glad that the Catholic church tells us to live to a higher standard to be like Christ rather than to join with a prostitute.

'Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.” But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.'

1 Cor 6;15-20

MATT said...

It would be interesting to see how case plays out where a man accused of rape filmed the act but didnt get the "yes, yes, ". Thats where these monsters are going with this horseshit . Theyre criminalizing the lack of a clear statement of intentional consent. Someone should try to flip it and call entrapment on a woman allowing penetration without making it a point to give clear consent.

Black Poison Soul said...

They make a bit less than I do for the hard work of: laying back, opening their legs, pushing back, and squealing enthusiastically. In contrast I do Oracle database and Cisco Networking.

The disparity in education and time'n'effort put in is illuminating.

kurt9 said...

A rough rule of thumb is that the average woman will start to be open to prostituting herself for about 5x her pre-tax hourly wage.

This sounds about right.

paulmurray said...

"earnings of up to €8,000 a month,"

"Up to €8,000" is not the same as "€8,000". Yes, a girl *might* be able to make this sort of money, But she can't make it for very long. It's like working on oil rigs, for young men.

paulmurray said...

":While prostitution and brothels are legal, forced prostitution and pimping are not."
"It's going to be hard to get Americans to grasp something so sensible"

It isn't sensible. The notion that women only turn to the game because some Svengali-like evil pimp makes them do it is bullshit. What actually happens here is that when a vice cop's numbers are down, a girl's boyfriend, hired security, or even just a random guy living in the same zipcode gets a tap on the shoulder and is charged with pimping.

Because it makes it impossible for a girl to retain any sort of security in any guise, the law against pimping is simply a government-enforced monopoly for the big brothels.

genericviews said...

That is why we can expect to see considerably more prostitution ...

Speak for yourself.

Corvinus said...

@Earl Thomas

The point is that while there will be some people in a society who will practice Christianity, there will be many others who are apathetic. And this is any society, even the most churched. The purpose of allowing prostitution is so these apathetic people who don't give a hoot about the states of their souls -- both male and female -- have some outlet where they hopefully don't harass those who do care.

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